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John Bonnes
08-26-2013, 10:00 PM
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whosafraidofluigirussolo
08-26-2013, 10:19 PM
In fact, there is less evidence that Hicks belongs in the majors on Opening Day than there was at this time last year.

I don't know. Were people seriously talking about Hicks' performance last year as a justification for skipping him to the majors? I think that thinking revealed itself only when the two incumbent CFs were traded. To a lot of us, promoting Hicks straight to MLB looked like rushing him in March, just as it does now.

howieramone
08-26-2013, 11:06 PM
My September goals are very modest. As of today Gibson and Correira are locks for next year's rotation. I don't care who it is, but I would like one more starting pitcher to cement a spot in next year's rotation.

clutterheart
08-26-2013, 11:40 PM
2014 Starting Staff:
Correira
Deduno
Gibson
Worley
Diamond

Meyer and May in AAA

howieramone
08-27-2013, 12:06 AM
2014 Starting Staff:
Correira
Deduno
Gibson
Worley
Diamond

Meyer and May in AAA

Clutterheart, I think you're very close. I believe we will add a second tier FA, but good job!

jimbo92107
08-27-2013, 12:27 AM
2014 Starting Staff:
Correira
Deduno
Gibson
Worley
Diamond

Meyer and May in AAA

Albers will take a spot from either Worley or Diamond. I'd watch out for DeVries, too. Guys that throw strikes are better than guys that don't.

beckmt
08-27-2013, 04:51 AM
I agree that Meyer and May will start in AAA. The big reason I do not think that above will be the starting rotation is the need to fill the seats. I believe the Twins cannot do that without signing some decent FA pitchers. Maybe they will not take the money, but most of the Twins starting pitcher types are 2-3 years away and most of the Twins young hitting prospect will be here by 2015. Twins need a bridge until the pitching catches up. Beyond that it is possible the Morneau bridge has been burnt and the Twins need to see what Parmelle and Collabero can produce. Clete Thomas is not the answer, though I believe Hicks will start next year in AAA.

tjsyam921
08-27-2013, 05:03 AM
Coming into this season I thought we would see a lot of emerging young talent to get us close to at least wild card contention next year. But considering it still seems our rotation will be lacking yet again in '14 I'm pretty disappointed.

Badsmerf
08-27-2013, 07:57 AM
I really hope Worley and Diamond are not in the plans right now to be apart of the rotation on opening day. I'm really hoping for a Johson/Santana/Lincecum type signing to add some dependability to the rotation. The Twins can't simply lean on Gibson, Meyer, and May developing. That is foolish. They need some actual talent, and its getting a little late to be crossing fingers on prospects.

mike wants wins
08-27-2013, 08:08 AM
Another year with zero prospects even available for call up......for a team whose entire strategy is built around the minors.....

Monkeypaws
08-27-2013, 09:22 AM
I was looking at BJ Upton's numbers yesterday, eerily similar to those of Hicks, worse even, except he makes 13-17 million and will do so through 2017.

Upton .182/8 HR/21 RBI/11 SB/128K in 330 ABs.

Hicks .192/8 HR/27 RBI/9 SB/84 K in 281 ABs.

There was a month or so Hicks appeared to have figured it out. I'm hopeful he will rebound to at least major league average next season.

It could be worse! :)

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 09:26 AM
Yovanni Gallardo on revocable waivers. Claim, make a deal, take on the salary, and start getting ready for 2014's pitching staff.

mike wants wins
08-27-2013, 09:29 AM
Yovanni Gallardo on revocable waivers. Claim, make a deal, take on the salary, and start getting ready for 2014's pitching staff.

Two very, very, very different ways to read this comment.......

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 09:46 AM
Gallardo has a year,and club option left. 11mill, 13 mill

Very reasonable for a pitcher that is better than anything the Twins have.

Has a very good track record. They should be proactive and try to improve the team, rather than look at a not-that-great FA class, which basically means dumpster diving by TRyan anyway.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 09:47 AM
The time to figure out the players who will fill in around Sano, Rosario, and Buxton started awhile ago, and yet the Twins have done little to figure it out. Willingham, Doumit, and Morneau do nothing for the future and I cringe when I think about all of them being with the team next year. Arcia and Dozier have made it, though Arcia is a borderline DH and Dozier at second base is a problem given Rosario. It would seem to me that Parmelee and Colabello need a full tryout, and it might eventually be a good idea for Plouffe and Parmelee to form a platoon (look at those L/R splits) together at first or in right. I would think that Escobar is going to simply replace Carroll for awhile in 2014.

The pitching situation cannot be remedied by bringing in another Correia or Pelfrey type. Spending on Johnson, E. Santana or someone like that and then figuring something out around that FA signing is what I would do. Meyer and May need to arrive sometime next year. Hendriks needs to be pitching for the Twins the remainder of the year.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 09:48 AM
I would spend on Gallardo in a heartbeat.

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 09:53 AM
I would spend on Gallardo in a heartbeat.

11/13 mill is cheap in the pitching market for a guy better than any of the flotsam on this team now. So they can add payroll? PROVE IT. Make a move for the better, instead of dumpster diving, then trying to convince fans that the garbage picked up is actually going to make the team better.

Currently 5 games better than last year. Big whoop. Finish that way. You still lose 91 games.

jay
08-27-2013, 09:55 AM
I would spend on Gallardo in a heartbeat.

I agree with your previous post, but not this one. Some major red flags there around his K rates and mph's.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 09:58 AM
I agree with your previous post, but not this one. Some major red flags there around his K rates and mph's.

It's just this season, though. Something has been wrong, clearly, this year. I would still take the chance.

Rosterman
08-27-2013, 10:05 AM
I would let Pelfry and Correia walk if someone claimed them on waivers. Would be tempted to do the same with Willingham, just to free uo 40-man spots to bring up some prospects in September.

Like they did with Dozier last season, I would not bring up Hicks or Parmelee (assumning we can add another outfield prospect to the 40-man).

I would bring up Escobar. I would bring up Santana. I would bring up anyone on the 40-man roster to give them a taste of the big leagues and evaluate if they should remain on the 40-man roster.

That includes, injury healed, Cole DeVries and Pedro Hernandez. Some innings from them and any kind of showing would make a Swarzak or Duensing available as tradebait. If they flounder, you question keeping them on the 40-man. You also bring up Hermsen and May from New Britain...because you can. Hermsen had an awful year and the Twins need to make a choice if he is worthwhile to keep in development or to languish in the minors. That spot he is holding is valuable. Should he keep it? Should the Twins cut him and hope no one else grabs him. That is the question. DeVries deserves one minute chance to shine again in the majors. Hometown kid. Raw break by coming north and blowing it at season's beginning by being injured. Again, if he shows anything worthwhile, you keep him, otherwise he becomes another Mike Restovich.

I would also bring up Pinto, especially if you downplay Mauer for the rest of the season. Give him and Herrmann innings behind the plate. One or both of them will start at Rochester next year as the Twins figure out Doumit's value.

The pain is that the Twins don't need to add guys like San to the 40-man this early. They actually don't have to add Sano until next fall, but can invite him and others to spring training to see if they are available for use on the roster earlier rather than later next season.

Oh, yes, Mastro gets called up. Yes, Richardson deserves a shot, too. But Mastro, Thomas, Ramirez really don't deserve 40-man spots going into the offseason, although they will hold them down for the moment. You can always remove guys from the 40-man who were on it at season's end. You can't remove those added in November, right, until after the season opens. Correct me if I am wrong. So you need a few movable bodies for free agent signings (dream) and the like.

It's a tough job being general manager right now. You are looking at servcie time issues. You are looking at 40-man needs of team and players. You are hoping the New Britain team can move up to Rochester next year and you may not have to sign 29 minor league free agents (see 2013 Minnesota Twins Roster - Majors View (http://twinscards.com/viewrostersyears.php?Year=2013) ).

Yeah, they should be mlooking at Beresford, Bigley, Darnell, Dean, Hanson and all the minor league superstars in September.......

drjim
08-27-2013, 10:11 AM
Would people give up Rosario for Gallardo? If not, how do you propose the Twins acquire him?

drjim
08-27-2013, 10:16 AM
The time to figure out the players who will fill in around Sano, Rosario, and Buxton started awhile ago, and yet the Twins have done little to figure it out. Willingham, Doumit, and Morneau do nothing for the future and I cringe when I think about all of them being with the team next year. Arcia and Dozier have made it, though Arcia is a borderline DH and Dozier at second base is a problem given Rosario. It would seem to me that Parmelee and Colabello need a full tryout, and it might eventually be a good idea for Plouffe and Parmelee to form a platoon (look at those L/R splits) together at first or in right. I would think that Escobar is going to simply replace Carroll for awhile in 2014.

The pitching situation cannot be remedied by bringing in another Correia or Pelfrey type. Spending on Johnson, E. Santana or someone like that and then figuring something out around that FA signing is what I would do. Meyer and May need to arrive sometime next year. Hendriks needs to be pitching for the Twins the remainder of the year.

Actually I think the Twins figured out exactly who will help going forward. This season was very instructional.

DJL44
08-27-2013, 10:18 AM
2014 Starting Staff:
Correira
Deduno
Gibson
Worley
Diamond

Meyer and May in AAA

If they don't sign at least one decent pitcher this offseason they're fooling themselves. That starting rotation screams 100 losses.

How about this?

Josh Johnson
Dan Haren
Kevin Correia
Scott Diamond
Kyle Gibson

Deduno, Meyer, Worley and May in AAA.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 10:20 AM
Actually I think the Twins figured out exactly who will help going forward. This season was very instructional.

How did they do that, I ask? The verdict is in on Parmelee and Colabello, then?

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 10:22 AM
How did they do that, I ask? The verdict is in on Parmelee and Colabello, then?

The verdict is getting closer on both. Bench guys, occasional starters, to me.

ThePuck
08-27-2013, 10:22 AM
How did they do that, I ask?

Yeah, I have absolutely no idea how that conclusion could be reached either.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 10:29 AM
Would people give up Rosario for Gallardo? If not, how do you propose the Twins acquire him?

Keep in mind that there is value in taking the salary from Milwaukee. I would start with Travis Harrison, DJ Baxendale, and Luke Bard.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 10:32 AM
The verdict is getting closer on both. Bench guys, occasional starters, to me.

Well someone has to play RF on a regular basis, or LF post Buxton-Hicks being together (unless Arcia improves significantly). I do think that Parmelee and Colabello are going to be bench guys, but I would still like to see them playing for the Twins on a regular basis. Somehow the Twins weren't willing to just pay Morneau's damn contract and trade him (no excuse for this).

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 10:34 AM
Would people give up Rosario for Gallardo? If not, how do you propose the Twins acquire him?

Haha, maybe the Twins can ship them Correia and offer to pay the rest of his contract! Milwaukee gets a 5th starter for free!

whosafraidofluigirussolo
08-27-2013, 10:36 AM
(unless Arcia improves significantly).

Is there some hope for him to improve on defense, though? I don't get to watch many games living where I live, so I'm not sure how his arm is, but I'd think his speed and mobility in the field would be an OK base to build from, considering his age and that he was playing CF a few years ago.

Willihammer
08-27-2013, 10:38 AM
Arcia's arm is strong. Haven't seen a lot of chances to throw out runners yet so I'm not sure how the accuracy is. Mobility is Delmonesque

jokin
08-27-2013, 10:42 AM
How did they do that, I ask? The verdict is in on Parmelee and Colabello, then?

It seemed like they were focused on getting a verdict primarily on Dozier, Florimon and strangely enough (and specifically relating to Parm and Cola), Doumit.

Drjim is wildly overstating his case if he really believes that the Twins have "exactly figured out" who will help going forward. "Exactly"? Really? For every question answered (MI), it seems many more are still unanswered (corner IF, corner OF and CF, Starting Rotation).

jokin
08-27-2013, 10:42 AM
Double post.

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 10:44 AM
Keep in mind that there is value in taking the salary from Milwaukee. I would start with Travis Harrison, DJ Baxendale, and Luke Bard.

Those would be players to start with. Perhaps Levi Michael, Summers as well.

Agreed, taking on salary has a pretty big value these days in trades.

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 10:47 AM
Well someone has to play RF on a regular basis, or LF post Buxton-Hicks being together (unless Arcia improves significantly). I do think that Parmelee and Colabello are going to be bench guys, but I would still like to see them playing for the Twins on a regular basis. Somehow the Twins weren't willing to just pay Morneau's damn contract and trade him (no excuse for this).

I didn't get that either. Pay the salary anyway. Get something back.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 10:48 AM
It seemed like they were focused on getting a verdict primarily on Dozier, Florimon and strangely enough (and specifically relating to Parm and Cola), Doumit.

Drjim is wildly overstating his case if he really believes that the Twins have "exactly figured out" who will help going forward. "Exactly"? Really? For every question answered (MI), it seems many more are still unanswered (corner IF, corner OF and CF, Starting Rotation).

There you go. Doumit. What is the love affair there? I respect him and I respect that he *loves* the Twins (so does Pelfrey . . . dear god), but that OPS has dropped 80 points from last year, his catching defense is still declining, and his OF defense is Kubelesque. Not to mention that AGE thing.

jokin
08-27-2013, 10:48 AM
(unless Arcia improves significantly).

Is there some hope for him to improve on defense, though? I don't get to watch many games living where I live, so I'm not sure how his arm is, but I'd think his speed and mobility in the field would be an OK base to build from, considering his age and that he was playing CF a few years ago.

Any description concerning Arcia's mobility (and to a lesser extent, speed) must include the qualifier, "or lack thereof". It's hard to believe he ever played CF except in an emergency, he is very poor at judging, or getting a good jump on, fly balls. His arm is plenty solid enough, though.

drjim
08-27-2013, 10:55 AM
It seemed like they were focused on getting a verdict primarily on Dozier, Florimon and strangely enough (and specifically relating to Parm and Cola), Doumit.

Drjim is wildly overstating his case if he really believes that the Twins have "exactly figured out" who will help going forward. "Exactly"? Really? For every question answered (MI), it seems many more are still unanswered (corner IF, corner OF and CF, Starting Rotation).

Colabello and Parmelee are not solutions. Neither is Plouffe. Maybe bench players. This is clearly answered.

I agree the Twins still have long term holes in the positions you suggested. This season was useful for finding out who won't be part of that solution.

drjim
08-27-2013, 10:57 AM
Keep in mind that there is value in taking the salary from Milwaukee. I would start with Travis Harrison, DJ Baxendale, and Luke Bard.

Can we add Duensing and Adam Walker?

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 11:08 AM
Colabello and Parmelee are not solutions. Neither is Plouffe. Maybe bench players. This is clearly answered.

I agree the Twins still have long term holes in the positions you suggested. This season was useful for finding out who won't be part of that solution.

Well they messed around significantly with Parmelee pre-2013 and then gave up on him in favor of players like DOUMIT this year. Also, I do think that it is quite possible that a Parmelee/Plouffe platoon in RF or at 1B next year could be part of the solution. Plouffe hits lefties exceptionally well, and Parmelee hits righties acceptably at the moment. It's feasible that they combine for an .780-.800 OPS next year in a platoon.

Nick Nelson
08-27-2013, 11:22 AM
But one way the Twins could continue to build for the future would be to trade some relievers. The Twins already look like they have four impact relievers – Glen Perkins, Jared Burton, Caleb Thielbar and Casey Fien. Seeing Tonkin in the majors could make them more comfortable shopping one of these guys, though trading relievers in the offseason (when there are so many free agent arms available) doesn’t seem especially profitable.

I'd add another name to this list: Brian Duensing. In fact, I'd move him to the front of the list of trade candidates in the bullpen. Thielbar's emergence essentially makes him expendable, and Duensing has really revived his value with an unbelievable month of August (11.1 IP, 0 R, 4 H, 16/0 K/BB).

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 11:24 AM
Can we add Duensing and Adam Walker?

The salary, Duensing, and two of the first three would likely do it.

mike wants wins
08-27-2013, 11:36 AM
Ellsbury, Ellsbury, Ellsbury....he is CF until Buxton, then LF with Arcia splitting time in RF, DH, 1B.....

howieramone
08-27-2013, 11:44 AM
Parmelee and Colabello are going to be Bensoned. Hammer, Doumit, and Plouffe will be continuously on the block until traded, probably for starting pitching prospects. Arcia and Hicks are part of the core. As the OP stated, many questions have been clearly answered.

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 11:46 AM
Parmelee and Colabello are going to be Bensoned. Hammer, Doumit, and Plouffe will be continuously on the block until traded, probably for starting pitching prospects. Arcia and Hicks are part of the core. As the OP stated, many questions have been clearly answered.

Speaking of Joe Benson, looks like another year with not much to show.

Joe Benson Stats, Bio, Photos, Highlights | MiLB.com Stats | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=501994)

mike wants wins
08-27-2013, 11:53 AM
so the answers we got were pretty much all bad answers, other than Arcia? I mean, there is value in eliminating options, but then you have to do something to fill those holes....

TheLeviathan
08-27-2013, 11:57 AM
There you go. Doumit. What is the love affair there? I respect him and I respect that he *loves* the Twins (so does Pelfrey . . . dear god), but that OPS has dropped 80 points from last year, his catching defense is still declining, and his OF defense is Kubelesque. Not to mention that AGE thing.

This is incredibly unfair to Kubel.

howieramone
08-27-2013, 12:12 PM
so the answers we got were pretty much all bad answers, other than Arcia? I mean, there is value in eliminating options, but then you have to do something to fill those holes....

Very good point mike. I knew some day we would agree on something. The position player cavalry will arrive sometime in 2014, and the starting pitching cavalry in 2015.

ThePuck
08-27-2013, 12:14 PM
Very good point mike. I knew some day we would agree on something. The position player cavalry will arrive sometime in 2014, and the starting pitching cavalry in 2015.

Unless, of course, most of those turn out to be bad answers as well...

drjim
08-27-2013, 12:26 PM
so the answers we got were pretty much all bad answers, other than Arcia? I mean, there is value in eliminating options, but then you have to do something to fill those holes....

Dozier is a potentially good answer.

This is what a rebuilding team has to do.

drjim
08-27-2013, 12:30 PM
Unless, of course, most of those turn out to be bad answers as well...

Well sure. If most of the prospects fail the Twins will most definitely have to wait on the next wave.

The debates we have been having will be rendered moot if the team can't develop a core.

ThePuck
08-27-2013, 12:36 PM
Well sure. If most of the prospects fail the Twins will most definitely have to wait on the next wave.

The debates we have been having will be rendered moot if the team can't develop a core.

Problem is, all of our eggs are in the prospect basket...and we have to hit big on most of them and that doesn't happen every often.

crarko
08-27-2013, 12:45 PM
You can always take up playing the concertina as an alternative hobby. :)

drjim
08-27-2013, 01:07 PM
Problem is, all of our eggs are in the prospect basket...and we have to hit big on most of them and that doesn't happen every often.

Mauer? Plus a few other pieces and payroll flexibility.

Very few teams can buy cornerstone players. They start as prospects either developed or traded.

ThePuck
08-27-2013, 01:10 PM
Mauer? Plus a few other pieces and payroll flexibility.

Very few teams can buy cornerstone players. They start as prospects either developed or traded.

yes, of course Mauer...what else? We have Mauer now. Seems you forgot what the discussion is about.

On top of that, payroll flexibility doesn't help if you don't use it. Oh and when did we trade prospects for proven players?

Mr. Ed
08-27-2013, 01:30 PM
JMO, payroll flexibility is whatever they believe it needs to be. A payroll that was over 100 million at one point will have all kinds of flexibility next year. Had it already this year. And decide not to spend, even though the Pohlads say management can increase the payroll. Allegedly.

mike wants wins
08-27-2013, 01:32 PM
Dozier is a potentially good answer.

This is what a rebuilding team has to do.

Agreed, with the potentially word in there, agreed.

stringer bell
08-27-2013, 01:50 PM
I'm fine with waiting for a couple of the top prospects in baseball to become cornerstones of the position players. However, the continual roulette of a starting rotation needs to be fixed. I was hoping the Twins would have three guys written in ink for 2014 and that simply isn't true. I hope they sign a good free agent (Hughes or better), trade for somebody else (comparable to acquiring Vanimal though that didn't work out), and see what happens with the corps of middle rotation guys. In reality, they had several guys who had succeeded for at least a half season (Diamond, Worley), plus guys who had pedigrees (Hendriks--minor league domination in '12, Gibson) and none of them have succeeded this year.

howieramone
08-27-2013, 02:53 PM
I'm fine with waiting for a couple of the top prospects in baseball to become cornerstones of the position players. However, the continual roulette of a starting rotation needs to be fixed. I was hoping the Twins would have three guys written in ink for 2014 and that simply isn't true. I hope they sign a good free agent (Hughes or better), trade for somebody else (comparable to acquiring Vanimal though that didn't work out), and see what happens with the corps of middle rotation guys. In reality, they had several guys who had succeeded for at least a half season (Diamond, Worley), plus guys who had pedigrees (Hendriks--minor league domination in '12, Gibson) and none of them have succeeded this year.

Completely agree. My guess is Ryan is looking for stability in the rotation for 2014 and not a whole lot more. In other words, he wants 5 starters who will take the ball every fifth day. Correia and Gibson are locks and I'm hoping September auditions yield a third. Ryan will pick up a second tier FA for the fourth and as a another posted said, a thumb wrestling contest will be held during spring training for the fifth.

This could change obviously. Hopefully our scouts find someone they like in Japan or is Cuban etc. But I think 5 stable arms is the floor for 2014.

S.
08-27-2013, 03:16 PM
How does a rotation of Correia, Gibson, two other pitchers we already have, and one second tier FA make for 5 stable arms?

drjim
08-27-2013, 04:07 PM
Completely agree. My guess is Ryan is looking for stability in the rotation for 2014 and not a whole lot more. In other words, he wants 5 starters who will take the ball every fifth day. Correia and Gibson are locks and I'm hoping September auditions yield a third. Ryan will pick up a second tier FA for the fourth and as a another posted said, a thumb wrestling contest will be held during spring training for the fifth.

This could change obviously. Hopefully our scouts find someone they like in Japan or is Cuban etc. But I think 5 stable arms is the floor for 2014.

Someone mentioned it before, but I imagine Worley gets a long look and he is a candidate to bounce back next year. There should be no locks next year (unless they keep Correia), and I still predict two guys are brought in.

It's not perfect, but out of Correia, Worley, Gibson, Diamond, Deduno, Albers, Hendriks the Twins should be able to scrap three starters together to begin the season, with Meyer and May waiting in the wings and combine that with two free agents.

I also think they sign a corner bat, and perhaps they surprise us with Guerrero.

howieramone
08-27-2013, 04:20 PM
Someone mentioned it before, but I imagine Worley gets a long look and he is a candidate to bounce back next year. There should be no locks next year (unless they keep Correia), and I still predict two guys are brought in.

It's not perfect, but out of Correia, Worley, Gibson, Diamond, Deduno, Albers, Hendriks the Twins should be able to scrap three starters together to begin the season, with Meyer and May waiting in the wings and combine that with two free agents.

I also think they sign a corner bat, and perhaps they surprise us with Guerrero.

I agree, if there is any doubt at all, Ryan will sign a second FA. Who knows, he may have already decided to. I do know he was personally and professionally embarrassed at what he sent out there this season, and he will do anything this side of 6 years for 147M to fix it.

mike wants wins
08-27-2013, 04:25 PM
You know Ryan personally?

Winston Smith
08-27-2013, 04:34 PM
I don't know Ryan but having watched his work if he signs any above mediocre free agent I'll be very surprised and if the payroll doesn't drop by around 10% maybe hitting 70 I'll be even more surprised. Hope I'm wrong.

ThePuck
08-27-2013, 04:37 PM
I don't know Ryan but having watched his work if he signs any above mediocre free agent I'll be very surprised and if the payroll doesn't drop by around 10% maybe hitting 70 I'll be even more surprised. Hope I'm wrong.

I'd be shocked if payroll was at 70 or above next year with all the money coming off this offseason. It's going to drop big time.

Edit: Though I suppose Ryan could sign 4 or 5 players to divide 20M next year and we'd be in the mid 70s...

TheLeviathan
08-27-2013, 05:04 PM
How does a rotation of Correia, Gibson, two other pitchers we already have, and one second tier FA make for 5 stable arms?

Voodoo math.

Whats funny is that some of the 2014 rotation talk all but echoes last offseason. How'd that turn out?

Badsmerf
08-27-2013, 05:29 PM
Voodoo math.

Whats funny is that some of the 2014 rotation talk all but echoes last offseason. How'd that turn out?
Its like the same thing, except different.....

LaBombo
08-27-2013, 06:05 PM
It's not perfect, but out of Correia, Worley, Gibson, Diamond, Deduno, Albers, Hendriks the Twins should be able to scrap three starters...
Totally agree with this. Well, two at least.

Thrylos
08-27-2013, 06:42 PM
The Twins already look like they have four impact relievers – Glen Perkins, Jared Burton, Caleb Thielbar and Casey Fien.

From that list I see:

one impact reliever (Perkins)
two very lucky relievers (with BABIPs in the .1xxs at some point) who are returning to earth (Fien and Thielbar)
and one hit and miss guy (Burton)

Duensing is better than Thielbar. Thielbar is a mirage. Soft tossing lefties are a dime a dozen. Duensing can hit 94-95...

drjim
08-27-2013, 06:50 PM
From that list I see:

one impact reliever (Perkins)
two very lucky relievers (with BABIPs in the .1xxs at some point) who are returning to earth (Fien and Thielbar)
and one hit and miss guy (Burton)

Duensing is better than Thielbar. Thielbar is a mirage. Soft tossing lefties are a dime a dozen. Duensing can hit 94-95...

I agree with the analysis, but Burton is probably slightly better than "hit and miss". Any reliever can have a rough couple of outings, I still trust his stuff. Fien and Thielbar, not so much.

Snortwood
08-28-2013, 08:04 AM
The verdict is in on Parmelee and Colabello, then?
Neither can turn on a fastball. Hard in soft away - easy out. Yes, the verdict is in on these two.