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stringer bell
08-25-2013, 01:36 AM
I've seen several outings like this from Hendriks. I thought he threw a number of good pitches, but the Tribe wailed on his mistakes. Cleveland seemed very comfortable and confident when batting against Hendriks. I don't know if he has to change speeds more, or work in and out more, but when he hit his spots, he was fine.

Marta Shearing
08-25-2013, 01:49 AM
Any major league pitcher who hits his spots is fine. His problem is, and always has been, that he consistently misses his spots. Him and swarzak need to be flip flopped.

Jerr
08-25-2013, 08:23 AM
He needs to go, had enough chances.
This whole organization needs to toughen up and stop nursing players!
Been a fan since the Twins arrived and have not go to a ballgame this year, as I wont spend my money on this team! And that's a first for me.

Badsmerf
08-25-2013, 09:23 AM
He is 24, how has he run out of chances? I don't see how a guy like him can dominate in AAA and get hammered as bad as he has in the MLB. He was very hittable yesterday. I hope they continue to give him the ball until the end of the year. This just wasn't a very good performance.

USAFChief
08-25-2013, 09:28 AM
I think they'll keep running him out there, which they should. I'm not overly hopeful, but they certainly have the need and opportunity to give him the rest of this season at least.

Thegrin
08-25-2013, 09:39 AM
Verlander just gave up 6 runs and 10 hits to a bad hitting Twins team. It happens. Hendriks was mostly in control of his pitches. Sometimes they hit his mistakes. Sometimes good hitters hit good pitches. If there was ever a year to test Hendriks, this is the year.

Beezer07
08-25-2013, 10:14 AM
Verlander just gave up 6 runs and 10 hits to a bad hitting Twins team. It happens. Hendriks was mostly in control of his pitches. Sometimes they hit his mistakes. Sometimes good hitters hit good pitches. If there was ever a year to test Hendriks, this is the year.

Except Verlander has dozens and dozens of superbly pitched games to bolster his pitching resume. Hedricks doesn't have those. This comparison doesn't really hold any water.

P.S. I don't really like Hendricks as a starting pitcher.

IdahoPilgrim
08-25-2013, 10:15 AM
He is 24, how has he run out of chances? I don't see how a guy like him can dominate in AAA and get hammered as bad as he has in the MLB. He was very hittable yesterday. I hope they continue to give him the ball until the end of the year. This just wasn't a very good performance.

Probably because hitters in Triple-A are not as good as hitters in MLB. He can get away with mistakes and borderline pitches easier there. We've seen this before. My guess is that the scouting report on him by other teams is: "He makes mistakes. Be patient and you'll get your pitch to hit."

He also seemed to lose confidence yesterday. The first couple of innings he had a lot of first pitch strikes and was usually ahead in the count. After he gave up those 2 homers, he began throwing mostly first-pitch balls and was pitching behind.

That said, I also would like to see him start the rest of the year. Then we can decide in the off-season.

Rosterman
08-25-2013, 10:27 AM
He needs to go, had enough chances.
This whole organization needs to toughen up and stop nursing players!
Been a fan since the Twins arrived and have not go to a ballgame this year, as I wont spend my money on this team! And that's a first for me.

I've been feeling the same. A fan since Year One. No games this year! And I want to believe in Hendriks, but don't even know if he can long-relief his way onto the staff.

He didn't dominate this year at Rochester (who, amazingly, have pulled off their year with the in-and-out pitching staff they have).

I'm not sure who will be pitching up here in September. I hate the thought of giving mroe starts to pelfry if you aren't keeping him. I wish Correia would be claimed on waivers and give us that salary back for next year. But who do we have in the minors: Diamond, Hernandez and an about to be shutdown Gibson. Maybe May can come up and throw some starter innings (let Hendriks wallow in relief). The other guys, Meyer and such, won't be added to the 40-man until November.

Hey, even though they have been dismal this year, I would advance DeVries and Hermsen to the roster in September and see if there is anything that should keep them on the 40-man, or even in the organization, once they get major league meal money, see the stage in Target Field, and make a decision on how they want to be a major league pitcher.

Biggest disappointments this year: DeVries, who all but sewed up a rotation spot, only to go down with an arm injury. And Mastro and Benson, both of whom had every opportunity to steal centerfield away from Hicks. Instead, we are stuck with Clete Thomas, who is and has gone nowhere.

Seriously, part of what will keep me away from September games is that I don;t need to see guys who won't be on the roster next year being mediocre on the field. I would rather see rookies of some promise do the same.

stringer bell
08-25-2013, 10:59 AM
I agree with Joel's sentiment, but I don't totally agree on Hendriks. At 24, I think he deserves another look before being cast aside. This year in Rochester, Hendriks pitched injured at least part of the year. He had a few outstanding starts as of late. I, too, am sick of seeing Bernier (starting today), Thomas, Ramirez, and to a lesser extent Doumit. At the rate Rochester is going lately, we may see any call-ups the day after Labor Day. I would hope that it is guys who have a chance of being useful going forward.

Alex
08-25-2013, 07:02 PM
If I'm doing my math right, Hendriks has faced around 500 MLB batters and most of those were prior to age 24. I'm not saying he's going to be great, but he deserves a much longer look.

beckmt
08-25-2013, 08:32 PM
I do not see Hendriks as a long term solution. September starts will not make a difference, since many of the teams the Twins will see are conducting auditons also and Hendriks has gotten many of the AAA hitters out. I would rather see the Twins throw Pressley into the rotation and see how he does. Give Hendriks one more change in the spring and then, if he does not make it, expect to lose him at the end of next year. At least he will help Rochester.

Huskerboy
08-25-2013, 08:51 PM
he needs to go, had enough chances.
This whole organization needs to toughen up and stop nursing players!
Been a fan since the twins arrived and have not go to a ballgame this year, as i wont spend my money on this team! And that's a first for me.
"ditto"

ashburyjohn
08-25-2013, 09:13 PM
"ditto"

Moderator note: Maybe this goes without saying, but please make sure the discussion stays focused on Liam Hendriks since that is the topic the original poster chose to write about, and not veer off onto the state of the Twins generally.

snepp
08-25-2013, 09:29 PM
Moderator note: Maybe this goes without saying, but please make sure the discussion stays focused on Liam Hendriks since that is the topic the original poster chose to write about, and not veer off onto the state of the Twins generally.

Ditto.


/slinks back into corner

clutterheart
08-25-2013, 09:50 PM
I'd like to see the org to keep Hendricks starting for the rest of the year. What's the harm?
He will have a chance to prove himself. If he grabs the chance, great. If not, that's fine.
Its not like there is a lot of options anyway, so I don't see the harm.

Kwak
08-25-2013, 10:05 PM
I can't see Hendriks salvaging a career with the Twins. He clearly has relegated himself to AAA for next year and there are just too many on their way up.

I guess we have to wait a month until we hear Ryan proclaim "I'll get ___ pitchers for 2014!" But any FA signed have an automatic position in the rotation. There has to be at least one lefty, Deduno (barring injury) is a lock, Pelfrey is likely extended given his recent performances (and health!), and a full handful of minor leaguers (plus Swarzak?) vieing for maybe one spot. Sorry Liam, it's not looking good for you.

Oxtung
08-25-2013, 11:28 PM
I can't see Hendriks salvaging a career with the Twins. He clearly has relegated himself to AAA for next year and there are just too many on their way up.

I guess we have to wait a month until we hear Ryan proclaim "I'll get ___ pitchers for 2014!" But any FA signed have an automatic position in the rotation. There has to be at least one lefty, Deduno (barring injury) is a lock, Pelfrey is likely extended given his recent performances (and health!), and a full handful of minor leaguers (plus Swarzak?) vieing for maybe one spot. Sorry Liam, it's not looking good for you.

You forgot Gibson and Correia. My guess the rotation is Correia, FA (could be Pelf), Gibson, Lefty, Deduno. At AAA there will be a fight to the death for rotation spots. May, Meyer, Dean, Darnell, Worley, AAAA Fodder. In fact after writing that I'm not convinced they're going to sign anyone to bolster the rotation. Who is the best lefty on the FA market this season?

Shane Wahl
08-25-2013, 11:42 PM
More Pelfrey talk. Why on earth will/should they re-sign Pelfrey instead of ACTUALLY just letting Hendriks pitch? Pelfrey has pitched as poorly as he ever has (really has been consistently bad his whole career), turns 30 in January and will have already fleeced the team for $3.5 million ($4 million minus the $500K for a just as good if not better replacement). There is no justification, on any planet, to resign Pelfrey at all.

Gibson, Correia, Diamond, Deduno, Worley, and Hendriks can thumb wrestle in ST and the loser can head to AAA for awhile. Only one of them makes any real money.

USAFChief
08-26-2013, 07:52 AM
Gibson, Correia, Diamond, Deduno, Worley, and Hendriks can thumb wrestle in ST and the loser can head to AAA for awhile. Only one of them makes any real money.
That sounds like an excellent idea...if the goal is to ensure ownership pockets a large profit and the team is buried in the standings by June 1st again.

mike wants wins
08-26-2013, 08:37 AM
I am certan we will hear that the FA crop is bad, and they don't want to block Meyer, May, Hendriks and random guy (see , I mentioned Liam, so it's on topic.....).

Hendriks is 24, it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to give up on him, imo. He should be up here, now, pitching. He should have been up here as soon as he was healthy this year. People do remember how the careers of other good starters sometimes start, don't they? I am not sure why, with a team with this little pitching, would not give this guy more time to see what he has. What are the actual alternatives?

Boom Boom
08-26-2013, 09:05 AM
Hendriks reminds me of Slowey. Good enough control to baffle AAA hitters, but not enough "stuff" to get away with mistakes to major leaguers.

drjim
08-26-2013, 09:05 AM
I am certan we will hear that the FA crop is bad, and they don't want to block Meyer, May, Hendriks and random guy (see , I mentioned Liam, so it's on topic.....).

Hendriks is 24, it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to give up on him, imo. He should be up here, now, pitching. He should have been up here as soon as he was healthy this year. People do remember how the careers of other good starters sometimes start, don't they? I am not sure why, with a team with this little pitching, would not give this guy more time to see what he has. What are the actual alternatives?

The problem is a lack of stuff. He can get AAA guys out but it really won't translate.

By all means keep him up the rest of the season but the Twins should be in a position to have better options going into next season.

Shane Wahl
08-26-2013, 09:30 AM
Well I don't want the Twins to repeat the mistake of 2013 and sign 5th or 6th starters at multiple millions of bucks. Go big (or biggish) or stay with those already in the system. Hendriks is still very young

Badsmerf
08-26-2013, 09:33 AM
The problem is a lack of stuff. He can get AAA guys out but it really won't translate.

By all means keep him up the rest of the season but the Twins should be in a position to have better options going into next season.
I think his stuff will play. Its a matter of him being able to make adjustments and utilize it to the best of his ability. I've long felt the only way he is going to improve is actually pitching in the MLB. Some guys take longer to adjust to the MLB. I wont be ready to write him off until he doesn't show improvement up to about this time next year. Then, if he still hasn't shown much, I will be right with people in moving him to a long relief role.

Hendriks is never going to be a top of the rotation starter. His ceiling has always been a mid-back of the rotation starter. He will rarely be lights out. His margin for error is going to be pretty slim, similar to Diamond (but in different ways).

drjim
08-26-2013, 10:03 AM
I think his stuff will play. Its a matter of him being able to make adjustments and utilize it to the best of his ability. I've long felt the only way he is going to improve is actually pitching in the MLB. Some guys take longer to adjust to the MLB. I wont be ready to write him off until he doesn't show improvement up to about this time next year. Then, if he still hasn't shown much, I will be right with people in moving him to a long relief role.

Hendriks is never going to be a top of the rotation starter. His ceiling has always been a mid-back of the rotation starter. He w
ill rarely be lights out. His margin for error is going to be pretty slim, similar to Diamond (but in different ways).

He'll be lucky to be as good as Correia and the Twins already have Swarzak as long reliever.

When young guys "need more time" I think of live arms that need to harness command more than mediocre stuff .

Oxtung
08-26-2013, 01:28 PM
Well I don't want the Twins to repeat the mistake of 2013 and sign 5th or 6th starters at multiple millions of bucks. Go big (or biggish) or stay with those already in the system. Hendriks is still very young

I agree. Either sign someone of quality or just roll with the young guys. To be clear my last post was what I thought the Twins would do, not what I would do.

I think Hendriks probably never will make it as a starter, though I would rather see him than another "value vet". I do wonder though what moving to the pen would do to his stuff. His 90mph fastball would theoretically gain some velocity. It is his best pitch and he would be able to throw it more often. He could also drop his slider which has gotten crushed according to fangraphs.

Badsmerf
08-26-2013, 10:54 PM
He'll be lucky to be as good as Correia and the Twins already have Swarzak as long reliever.

When young guys "need more time" I think of live arms that need to harness command more than mediocre stuff .
You might be right, but Correia has carved out an alright career so far. The unfortunate part, is that Hendriks isn't the only 5th starter on the Twins. The whole rotation is basically 5th starters. I'm just remaining optimistic that a guy whom posted a 2.2 ERA as a 23 year old in AAA can find a way to translate that into the MLB.

The one thing that concerns me is his K rate. He really needs to improve on that out pitch to get some more strike-outs. My opinion, is that Rick Anderson is not the coach for him. He needs a better out pitch, maybe Bert should come down from the booth and do a little coaching for the Aussie.

Oxtung
08-27-2013, 12:17 AM
The one thing that concerns me is his K rate. He really needs to improve on that out pitch to get some more strike-outs. My opinion, is that Rick Anderson is not the coach for him. He needs a better out pitch, maybe Bert should come down from the booth and do a little coaching for the Aussie.

I have seen many people make this claim but it really doesn't seem to track with his stats. While strikeouts would be nice he has been effective when he is ahead in the count. It's when he's behind that he gets crushed.

OPS by count



0-1

0-2

1-2

2-2



OPS

.743

.553

.482
.325




On the other hand he gets absolutely crushed when he is in a hitters count:

OPS by count



0-0

1-0

2-0

3-0

1-1

2-1

3-1



OPS

1.150

1.317

.850

.813

1.203

1.167

1.832




A few caveats on this next section. I am using Hendriks career stats to increase his sample size. He's pitched 129 innings in the majors. I am then comparing that to the 271 qualified single seasons that have occurred during his career, 2011-2013. I understand this is rife with problems and am by no means saying that if he was given enough innings to qualify he would end up ranked at the same spot. I also understand that I have not included those pitchers who didn't qualify. I am trying to provide a frame of reference to those pitchers who have "made it", trying to show where his weaknesses/strengths are and how they compare to the starters that are established.


His dismal rates when behind in the count are compounded by the fact that he falls behind hitters at an alarming rate. His first pitch strike % is 56.1% which would place him 249th (these are all out of 271). When he does put the ball in the zone opponents make contact 92.1% of the time, ranking him 252nd. He could very well know he is getting crushed and be scared to throw it across the plate in an 0-0 count but this leads to even greater problems as shown above. This is supported by the fact that his overall strike % is 53.4% which is fourth highest (behind Cliff Lee 3 times FYI). It seems like he can throw strikes when he wants to. Opponents swing at 66.4% of the pitches he throws in the zone. This would rank 190th, while this is high the batters aren't swinging at every pitch he throws across the plate. Combined with his first pitch strike %, which is very bad, I would guess hitters are getting ahead, waiting for their pitch and then teeing it up. Players are only swinging at 29.5% of his offerings outside the zone ranking him 207th. Clearly he isn't fooling batters which is supported by his 5.7% swinging strike rate, placing him 263rd.

TLDR
To sum this up, Hendriks doesn't have swing and miss stuff. When he is able to get ahead in a count he is an effective pitcher, albeit a low strikeout back of the rotation option. Perhaps batters have to respect his full arsenal at this point and this causes weak contact. However, when he falls behind, batters are waiting for their pitch then teeing off.


I would like to look at pitch selection by count if anybody knows of a place where that data is available? That might give us a better idea of why he falls behind batters then gets crushed and why he is successful when he is ahead.

Badsmerf
08-27-2013, 07:40 AM
Oxtung, I'm sure you checked fangraphs already, but that is the most likely place to find it. Nice research. Perhaps part of the problem is mixing pitches when he is behind in the count. It seems like he hasn't gotten Mauer behind the plate very often, usually Doumit or someone else. I don't think that is helping him much (proven by Doumit being dreadful at framing pitches).

So, again, if it is a gameplan problem I would look to Rick Anderson. Getting behind in the count is one thing, but getting crushed every time is another. These numbers have to normalize somewhat. This is where the focus should be for him and the Twins. Truth be told, I don't have much faith that they have even recognized what you've just shown.

drjim
08-27-2013, 07:42 AM
Good stuff Oxtung but I think you really break down the fine line walked by pitchers with mediocre stuff.

big dog
08-27-2013, 08:00 AM
Hendricks is a tease- he threw a really good game against the White Sox a couple weeks ago, then Cleveland lights him up. I'd like to see him get regular starts the rest of the year, as others have mentioned. He might still pull it together. Besides, what's the harm? It's not like we have a ton of other young arms to bring up.

Oxtung
08-27-2013, 05:57 PM
Good stuff Oxtung but I think you really break down the fine line walked by pitchers with mediocre stuff.

Very well could be. I do find his count splits interesting. Those are pretty significant differences. Clearly he is able to do something right when he is ahead in the count.

Shane Wahl
08-27-2013, 06:01 PM
Very well could be. I do find his count splits interesting. Those are pretty significant differences. Clearly he is able to do something right when he is ahead in the count.

That was highly informative. Thanks.

USAFChief
08-27-2013, 08:15 PM
Your splits by count don't really tell us much, Oxtung. Splits by count by OPS for the AL as a whole:

0-0 .894
1-0 .891
2-0 .906
3-0 1.699
0-1 .787
1-1 .843
2-1 .952
3-1 1.373
0-2 .388
1-2 .431
3-2 .809

Basically, every pitcher is much tougher when he's ahead in the count, and much worse when behind. If anything, Hendriks' numbers show he's even more susceptible to this phenomenon than the average AL pitcher...IMO that's because he has worse than average stuff.

I think a better gauge for pitchers, in any case, is not so much what happens on a 1-1 count (OPS is negatively influenced, for example, by the simple fact you can't walk a hitter in a 1-1 count), but rather what ultimately happens in a PA after a given count. What is the result of a PA, for example, after Hendriks reaches 1-1 on a hitter, or reaches 1-2.

cmathewson
08-27-2013, 08:40 PM
Hendriks is no Slowey, not that Slowey ever was any great shakes. But at least he had a couple of good years in the majors. Hendriks has had a couple of good starts in the majors out of 24. In the other 22 starts, he just hasn't had the consistent secondary stuff or the consistent command to get major league hitters out. The difference between AAA hitters and good major league hitters is huge. Major league hitters take close pitches and wait for mistakes. And he doesn't have the focus or something to avoid mistakes.

Yeah, he's 24, but I subscribe to the notion that a guy gets three or four chances to succeed, then you give another guy a chance. If he becomes a late bloomer for some other org (a la Paul Abbott), fine. Don't block another guy with a guy who might become something useful. Now, in our case, I don't know who that guy is. So you might as well run him out there. But it's a sad state of affairs when we have to rely on a guy who has maybe a 5% chance of ever being a useful pitcher.

Brock Beauchamp
08-28-2013, 07:17 AM
I have seen many people make this claim but it really doesn't seem to track with his stats. While strikeouts would be nice he has been effective when he is ahead in the count. It's when he's behind that he gets crushed.

As a footnote, look at that 0-2 OPS for Hendiks. Hitters are OPSing .553 on an 0-2 count and that is way too high.

In comparison, Kevin Correia has a .389 OPS with an 0-2 count. Mike Pelfrey? .370 OPS.

Samuel Deduno has a .257 OPS with an 0-2 count.

SSS and all but I think that's a fine example of why Hendriks has failed as an MLB starter. He's not pitching, he's throwing. And he's leaving way too many balls in the zone in pitcher's counts.

Oxtung
08-28-2013, 09:50 PM
Your splits by count don't really tell us much, Oxtung. Splits by count by OPS for the AL as a whole:

0-0 .894
1-0 .891
2-0 .906
3-0 1.699
0-1 .787
1-1 .843
2-1 .952
3-1 1.373
0-2 .388
1-2 .431
3-2 .809

Basically, every pitcher is much tougher when he's ahead in the count, and much worse when behind. If anything, Hendriks' numbers show he's even more susceptible to this phenomenon than the average AL pitcher...IMO that's because he has worse than average stuff.

I think a better gauge for pitchers, in any case, is not so much what happens on a 1-1 count (OPS is negatively influenced, for example, by the simple fact you can't walk a hitter in a 1-1 count), but rather what ultimately happens in a PA after a given count. What is the result of a PA, for example, after Hendriks reaches 1-1 on a hitter, or reaches 1-2.

You're missing the point of that section of the post. I wasn't arguing that those numbers said anything about how good a pitcher he is. I was merely showing that his "out pitch" wasn't causing his problems. That has nothing to do with how other pitchers pitch.

USAFChief
08-28-2013, 09:53 PM
You're missing the point of that section of the post. I wasn't arguing that those numbers said anything about how good a pitcher he is. I was merely showing that his "out pitch" wasn't causing his problems. That has nothing to do with how other pitchers pitch.
I guess I would look at his numbers and say his "out pitch" is exactly the problem, as in he doesn't have one. As Brock points out, hitters have a .553 OPS on an 0-2 count against him. That's...terrible.

Oxtung
08-28-2013, 10:10 PM
As a footnote, look at that 0-2 OPS for Hendiks. Hitters are OPSing .553 on an 0-2 count and that is way too high.

In comparison, Kevin Correia has a .389 OPS with an 0-2 count. Mike Pelfrey? .370 OPS.

Samuel Deduno has a .257 OPS with an 0-2 count.

SSS and all but I think that's a fine example of why Hendriks has failed as an MLB starter. He's not pitching, he's throwing. And he's leaving way too many balls in the zone in pitcher's counts.

I found a great stat for this. sOPS+. It measures the how OPS against a pitcher, in this case Hendriks, compares to the league average OPS against in the same split. So >100 is bad. <100 is good. This only seems to be available after full seasons so the data for 2013 isn't available and it doesn't work for careers. The data below is from 2012 for Correia and Hendriks since that is Hendriks largest sample and 2011 for Pelfrey since he didn't pitch in 2012. "Ahead" is when the pitcher is ahead in the count and "behind" is when the batter is ahead in the count.




0-0
1-0
2-0
3-0
0-1
1-1
2-1
3-1
0-2
1-2
2-2
3-2
Ahead
Behind


Hendriks
168
128
132
-11
88
209
204
174
147
99
47
132
110
140


Correia
78
64
142
NA*
68
68
135
171
257
82
144
87
115
96


Pelfrey
104
88
130
234
73
70
123
118
24
143
139
161
98
126


*only pitched to 3 batters with this count.

Again, the data seems to show that Hendriks is ok, not great, but ok when he is ahead in the count. He just truly gets crushed when he is behind in the count. I will say however that this all fits under the SSS warning. Everything I've found suggests his problem is not finishing batters off but rather staying ahead in the count.

Thegrin
08-28-2013, 11:29 PM
All these stats point to one thing. Hendricks has not been a very good starting pitcher so far.
Has he shown enough to get a full season ? I am not a pitching evaluator, but if he has a 50% chance of having a quality start, then the Twins should have Hendriks pitching every 1/5 day. If the Twins don't think he has a 50% chance now, but might develop, they should keep him in AAA. If they don't think he will develop into a 50% QS pitcher then they should cut him lose. duh ??? That is what they are doing. Why are WE discussing it.

Mr. Brooks
08-29-2013, 07:06 PM
Hendriks is no Slowey, not that Slowey ever was any great shakes. But at least he had a couple of good years in the majors. Hendriks has had a couple of good starts in the majors out of 24. In the other 22 starts, he just hasn't had the consistent secondary stuff or the consistent command to get major league hitters out. The difference between AAA hitters and good major league hitters is huge. Major league hitters take close pitches and wait for mistakes. And he doesn't have the focus or something to avoid mistakes.

Yeah, he's 24, but I subscribe to the notion that a guy gets three or four chances to succeed, then you give another guy a chance. If he becomes a late bloomer for some other org (a la Paul Abbott), fine. Don't block another guy with a guy who might become something useful. Now, in our case, I don't know who that guy is. So you might as well run him out there. But it's a sad state of affairs when we have to rely on a guy who has maybe a 5% chance of ever being a useful pitcher.

I really think you are being prejiduced by his terrible W/L record.
I'm not saying he's been great, or even good, but looking through his game logs, I'm not sure it's as bad as you make it out to be.
IMO, of his 24 starts, he's had:
8 good starts.
8 bad stars.
8 mediocre starts.

I think that is probably what you would expect from a guy as young as him, especially one who was never an elite prospect to begin with.
He has had some really good performances that resulted in an L or ND. Including an 8 inning CG last year where a single unearned run hung an L on him. He's also had several performances that are not great, but just mediocre, the kind that often result in ND's for many pitchers, but Hendriks has gotten the loss due to no run support.
I really think if his record was something like 5-8, instead of 1-12 (which it easily could be), and the rest of his stats were exactly the same, that he would get more benefit of the doubt.
It's also of note that his career xFIP is 4.58. I'm guessing that the huge difference between his career ERA and xFIP is due to his well above average HR/FB rate. While it may just be that his stuff is easy to square up (leading to harder hit fly balls than average), I don't think that is the case, as his babip is pretty well in line with the league. Pitchers whose stuff is easier to square up generally have inflated babips.
Of course, even if his ERA were 4.58, that is still not great, but I think most people would think it was acceptable given his age.

Thegrin
08-30-2013, 11:41 PM
Hendriks starts in August



Day
Date
Vs
Pitcher
W-L
Score
IP
Runs
QS
Comment


Fri
9
ChiSox
Hendriks
W
3 2
6.1
2
Y



Sat
24
Cle
Hendriks
L
2 7
4.1
7
N



Fri
30
Tex
Hendriks
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6
2
Y

Larsbars08
08-30-2013, 11:57 PM
He's still younger than Kyle Gibson. He's had a bad year in AAA, but the year before he was nearly unhittable. This is his second real stint in the Majors since last season. There are not enough MLB ready starting pitchers in the system right now to actually block him. Let him pitch till the end of the season, with a shot to make the rotation next year. We need to find out what we've got with him.