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Seth Stohs
04-14-2012, 05:03 PM
as most of us expected and speculated, Ben Revere has been sent to triple a. he needs to play every day, wheras Clete Thomas is fine playing once or twice a week.

greengoblinrulz
04-14-2012, 06:37 PM
ROC now has basically the Twins Aug/Sept starting lineup w/ Revere, Benson, Nishi, Tosoni, Dinkelman, Butera & Rivera.
And the Twins still suck.

kirbyelway
04-14-2012, 07:48 PM
I was hoping Revere was going to be our starting CF with Span in RF to start the year, but they never gave it a shot. Those 2 could of covered a lot of ground. To me I think they value Doumit's bat to much, as an OF he just isn't that valuable.

Harrison Greeley III
04-14-2012, 08:28 PM
To me I think they value Doumit's bat to much, as an OF he just isn't that valuable.

They also that he, ya know, catches too.

Boom Boom
04-14-2012, 09:14 PM
It's fine, Revere was in a bad position up here as mostly a backup RF, his worst spot defensively.

Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 09:42 PM
It's the right move... AAA is the best place for Ben right now.

I know there are some on this board that don't value Ben Revere as highly as I do. I don't want to start that debate again. We just have different ways of looking at the game of baseball. I may be right... I may be wrong and vice versa. (Side note... Vice Versa would be... I may be wrong... I may be right?).

What I want to say right now is that I feel bad for the kid. Hopefully, others will feel the same way about it and if you don't... Pause... put yourself in his shoes and at least respect it for the time being.

As the team reported to Ft. Myers to get spring training underway. I was personally excited about the thought of Revere/Span/Willingham in the outfield. I liked it... I saw it's potential... I think that Terry Ryan thought that would be our opening day OF and I think that Gardy thought that would be our opening day OF and I'm pretty sure that Ben Revere must have been able to assume or sense it or know it.

Nothing he did in the Grapefruit league caused his loss of the starting job. It happened because Morneau became the DH and Gardy is afraid of running out of Catchers. Couple that with Parmelee playing well, Burroughs doing alright and Velencia not doing that great and a series of adjustments were made as Spring Training drew to a close and Ryan Doumit ended up as the primary RF option. Ben Revere had to be disapointed as this played out but he still had a major league job.

It just got worse for Ben but being a 4th outfielder at his age and potential is a mistake. The kid is young and I believe he has the potential to be a Michael Bourn. He needs to play. AAA is the best place for him. I just feel bad for the kid. Just a month ago he had to be thinking that he was breaking camp the starter. Telling his folks about it, his friends, what an exciting time in his life it must have been. The anticipation of opening day must've been consuming him and then it all just kinda rolled over on top of him and he did nothing to earn that. This Kid has done nothing but Compete with every inch of himself. I appreciate that and I value that.

Ben can continue to work on things in Rochester and injuries will happen and Ben will be up soon enough. I hope he can take a moment and shake the blow off and realize that he will be back and maybe the next time it will be for good.

Signing Clete Thomas was the right move for this moment in time. Welcome to the Twins Clete. You just took out a dynamic player who competed hard. There are a lot of us, who are hoping you do likewise when Gardy pencils you in. Run into some walls and get dirty cuz Ben would have. And... Stick it to your old team as well.

MileHighTwinsFan
04-14-2012, 10:07 PM
I just have to wonder what Ben's future is with the team. If there is one position the Twins have depth at, it is CF. In the quest for the 5 tool player - Ben only has one - speed. All of the other prospects have more of an upside. I would not be surprised to see the Twins deal him for a prospect. He could be a nice asset to a team looking for defensive replacement and a pinch runner late in the season.

Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 10:49 PM
I just have to wonder what Ben's future is with the team. If there is one position the Twins have depth at, it is CF. In the quest for the 5 tool player - Ben only has one - speed. All of the other prospects have more of an upside. I would not be surprised to see the Twins deal him for a prospect. He could be a nice asset to a team looking for defensive replacement and a pinch runner late in the season.

His future is challenged for sure because perhaps the only strength of the farm system is OF. He has replacements scuffling and improving beneath him. However, not much above him in my opinion. His window kinda opened up prematurely.

BTW... Ben has 3 tools. hit for average, defense and speed. Scouts can look for the true 5 tool guy but there are not very many around.

Thrylos
04-14-2012, 10:56 PM
I think that the next month will be very interesting for the Twins' organization and the short/medium term plans at the outfield. What do I mean?

Between the majors and AA the Twins have 5 Centerfielders. And by "Centerfielders" I mean John Fogerty's definition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivhQrReSFQ):

Span/Revere/Benson/Mastroianni/Hicks

maybe even more with that definition.

Span will (and should) be dealt sooner than later. Hicks is not ready. Hate to say that but Benson is about as ready as Hicks is and if Hicks was hitting Right Handed all the time he might be readier than Benson. Revere is it then. Get him to be tutored by Brunansky a bit at AAA and see what he can do

And I do not get this "Let Revere play every day" thing.
even if he plays once every blue moon, unless he has beer and pizza every night he can catch everything thrown at him
he just needs help to be more consistent with hitting (and Vavra failed) that's it.

Fanatic Jack
04-14-2012, 11:05 PM
The Twins continue to go out of their way to appease Denard Span. It's unreal Gardy is afraid to move him to right field and now his best friend Clete Thomas is brought in as our 4th outfielder. I really question why this is happening?

twinsnorth49
04-14-2012, 11:07 PM
I may be right... I may be wrong and vice versa. (Side note... Vice Versa would be... I may be wrong... I may be right?).

Actually I think it's, you may be right, I may be crazy.

It's the right move right now, for Revere's sake as much as the Twins. He can still bring a lot to this team, someday, it's way more likely he will eventually bring it by playing in AAA everyday right now.

Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 11:30 PM
I think that the next month will be very interesting for the Twins' organization and the short/medium term plans at the outfield. What do I mean?

Between the majors and AA the Twins have 5 Centerfielders. And by "Centerfielders" I mean John Fogerty's definition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fivhQrReSFQ):

Span/Revere/Benson/Mastroianni/Hicks

maybe even more with that definition.

Span will (and should) be dealt sooner than later. Hicks is not ready. Hate to say that but Benson is about as ready as Hicks is and if Hicks was hitting Right Handed all the time he might be readier than Benson. Revere is it then. Get him to be tutored by Brunansky a bit at AAA and see what he can do

And I do not get this "Let Revere play every day" thing.
even if he plays once every blue moon, unless he has beer and pizza every night he can catch everything thrown at him
he just needs help to be more consistent with hitting (and Vavra failed) that's it.

This isn't a Vavra defense mind you but Ben was a rookie last year. He hit .260... He didn't get eaten alive like rookies do. He hit .260 and he swiped 34 bags. He has to walk more and drop down some bunts for hits so he has things to work on but he didn't get eaten alive.

There is a pretty large number of current thriving MLB ballplayers who got eaten alive the first time round. The Ryan Braun rookie year isn't that common that we should be surprised when it doesn't happen. Facing Verlander is different then facing Vandenhurk.

Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 11:41 PM
The Twins continue to go out of their way to appease Denard Span. It's unreal Gardy is afraid to move him to right field and now his best friend Clete Thomas is brought in as our 4th outfielder. I really question why this is happening?

Im ok with Span... I think it's more of a Doumit thing. When Morneau became DH. Doumit needed a more consistent spot for his bat. RF became that spot.

Im ok with one gap compromised because you can position your CF to accommodate. Compromise both gaps and your asking for your team to come from behind more often then you should because the CF cant cover for two corners slower afoot.

Thrylos
04-14-2012, 11:43 PM
He has to walk more and drop down some bunts for hits so he has things to work on .

OK unrelated (maybe) but it is PTSD to me since it happened about 3 hrs ago or so... here it goes. Smallball (them bunts). 7th inning. Rochester at Lehigh Valley. The Phillies' club brings in a new pitcher. Leftie. God bless his heart he cannot throw strikes. Hollimon walks in 5 pitches. Poor Darin Mastroianni (the only man in the playing field without a name plate on his jersey. Just a number. 16) comes up. He squares. Ball on his head. Dives. Next pitch. He squares again. Ball outside. 2 and Oh. Third pitch. Squares again. Ball at his shoelaces. Jumps away. Three and Oh. Squares again. Ball back to the pitcher, Hollimon out at second, Mastroianni safe at first. (he stole second later, but that is not the point.)

Bunting will never be the way for Revere and it should not be

Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 11:48 PM
Actually I think it's, you may be right, I may be crazy.


Cue the glass breaking SFX.

Lol... I can't type the words "I may be crazy" unless I wanted a thesaurus type list of words that all mean "duh" from responding posters following.

Riverbrian
04-14-2012, 11:58 PM
OK unrelated (maybe) but it is PTSD to me since it happened about 3 hrs ago or so... here it goes. Smallball (them bunts). 7th inning. Rochester at Lehigh Valley. The Phillies' club brings in a new pitcher. Leftie. God bless his heart he cannot throw strikes. Hollimon walks in 5 pitches. Poor Darin Mastroianni (the only man in the playing field without a name plate on his jersey. Just a number. 16) comes up. He squares. Ball on his head. Dives. Next pitch. He squares again. Ball outside. 2 and Oh. Third pitch. Squares again. Ball at his shoelaces. Jumps away. Three and Oh. Squares again. Ball back to the pitcher, Hollimon out at second, Mastroianni safe at first. (he stole second later, but that is not the point.)

Bunting will never be the way for Revere and it should not be

lol... Don't misunderstand me. I do not like the sacrifice bunt. Never will unless you have Drew Butera at the plate... In that case... What the hey. I'm talking about using that world class speed of his, the left batters box and a pitcher falling off the mound. I'm talking about drawing the 3b in so it's easier to slap past. I think he could add that club to his bag.

BTW... I love bad bunting stories. I've seen a ton. They are fun to watch.

Riverbrian
04-15-2012, 12:12 AM
I once saw a 12 year old bunt. Foul the ball off into his shirt but didn't know it. He thought he got it down and not only did he run to first but ran right past his teammate(returning to first) all the way to 2b. He finally stopped when the ball fell out of his shirt near 2b. The SS picked up the ball and tagged him. The Ump was maybe 16 years old and had no idea what happened and called him out.

I was the coach of the team in the field and I saw the whole thing. I was happy with the out because we were up by one in the final inning and didnt want to correct the ump because I was laughing too hard.

lecroy24fan
04-15-2012, 09:39 PM
I still think the best idea is to teach Revere 2B.

spideyo
04-15-2012, 09:58 PM
Revere doesn't need to sac bunt, but he's got the speed to beat out a bunt for a hit.

If he can work on hitting line drives to the gaps or sharp grounders down the lines, we could see a lot of doubles and triples from him. Not hard to imagine Span dropping the suicide squeeze bunt with Revere on third. THAT'S exciting baseball.

And for the guy who mentioned 5 tool prospects, the last "5 tool prospect" I remember that started for the Twins was....Carlos Gomez.

Shane Wahl
04-15-2012, 10:16 PM
Span will (and should) be dealt sooner than later. Hicks is not ready. Hate to say that but Benson is about as ready as Hicks is and if Hicks was hitting Right Handed all the time he might be readier than Benson. Revere is it then. Get him to be tutored by Brunansky a bit at AAA and see what he can do

And I do not get this "Let Revere play every day" thing.

1. So who do you envision batting leadoff? Ben Revere? That is laughable. Unless you say "Joe Mauer" I think the Twins have nothing at the position until Hicks, and if he isn't ready, then SPAN is the guy who needs to stay and Revere is the guy to go.

2. Revere will get better by actually playing every day. He will have the chance to be a more consistent hitter and a better batter all-around. Playing minimally for the Twins does nothing for him.

Nick Nelson
04-15-2012, 11:01 PM
And I do not get this "Let Revere play every day" thing.
even if he plays once every blue moon, unless he has beer and pizza every night he can catch everything thrown at him
he just needs help to be more consistent with hitting (and Vavra failed) that's it.
Have you ever blamed a player for his own shortcomings rather than his coaches/manager? It's clear that you have a drastic misunderstanding of the impact of hitting & pitching coaches. Revere has been the same hitter in the majors as he was in the minors; the problem is that it's tough to be an offensive weapon when you swing away and lack the strength to hit the ball out of the infield on a regular basis.