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Shane Wahl
04-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Just lost the ball in LF for the Tigers. As bad as he has ever looked in the field. Other Tiger notes, Octavio Dotel dominant in relief against the Sox.

Seth Stohs
04-13-2012, 03:56 PM
Here's the video...


http://i.imgur.com/noRJf.gif

John Bonnes
04-13-2012, 04:04 PM
Go back and click on Seth's link. You will not regret it. That is AWESOME. We need to see if we can post that somewhere on the front page.

John Bonnes
04-13-2012, 04:11 PM
I now just have this gif running constantly in the corner of my PC screen. It never gets old.

Ultima Ratio
04-13-2012, 04:11 PM
Bwaaaahhaaaa!

Captain Kirkus
04-13-2012, 04:16 PM
With skates on and one more rotation Delmon might have landed that triple axle, along with the silver medal.

twinzgrl
04-13-2012, 04:39 PM
I do not miss Delmon. He was a very poor outfielder. Drove me nuts. I'm hoping that Josh Willingham can do better out there. THANKS for the video! Classic.

davidjcampbell
04-13-2012, 04:42 PM
this link is excellent. just excellent.

Teflon
04-13-2012, 04:49 PM
I think it's actually one of Delmon's better plays as he actually got close enough to make a fielding attempt.

Riverbrian
04-13-2012, 07:51 PM
I applaud the effort... That was never a sure thing with the Twins. One thing still for sure... fundamentals is not his middle name.

Top Gun
04-13-2012, 08:27 PM
Don't you forget Delmon had a 2 run homer and is batting .300 He is better than any ofer the Twins have and they gave him away for notting!

striker_86
04-13-2012, 11:37 PM
Don't you forget Delmon had a 2 run homer and is batting .300 He is better than any ofer the Twins have and they gave him away for notting!

exactly, his defense is terrible, but don't we have bad d already. Wish we could have gotten something for him..

Shane Wahl
04-14-2012, 12:45 AM
Hawk Harrelson, as terrible as he is always, was pretty funny in his enthusiasm on that play. I still don't understand how that team doesn't just trade Ryan Rayburn (and they could get some value back) to solve some of this problem.

Shane Wahl
04-14-2012, 12:47 AM
Also, Delmon Young is not better than Josh Willingham or Denard Span, and overall he is not going to be better than the conglomeration in RF.

Top Gun
04-14-2012, 01:05 AM
Delmon started 35 games as the Bucs cfer and played 162 games the next season.He is now only 26years old,
Gardy never ever gave him full playing time or bat at the top of the lineup. The Twins will regret this one!

Shane Wahl
04-14-2012, 01:09 AM
He did get full playing time and he fizzled out after having one strong year. He has no concept of what to do with his talent. This could have all been different if the RAYS did not push him through the minors so quickly.

Top Gun
04-14-2012, 02:24 AM
The Twins could of had Longoria instead of Young and Harris for Garza & Bartlett, but Punto was Gardy's pet and could play ss & 3b. See how well that worked out.

John Bonnes
04-14-2012, 10:28 AM
I think I've defended Delmon more than jusst about anyone - even wrote a multi-part series on him - but he got every opportunity he needed. He just didn't perform, except for 2010. To this day, I don't understand why it didn't work, but it didn't. And the Twins traded him away because they weren't going to offer him arbitration and the shouldn't have offered him arbitration.

deanlambrecht
04-14-2012, 10:41 AM
Don't you forget Delmon had a 2 run homer and is batting .300 He is better than any ofer the Twins have and they gave him away for notting!

Maybe I'm misreading you because of the typo, but if not, this is just plain wrong. Willingham is batting .333 and has more HRs than Delmon thus far this year. His defense may be only marginally better (he's got a cannon arm), but he's been a better hitter this year and over his career, particularly in OBP, SLP, and OPS:
Willingham: http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425545#gameType='R'&sectionType=career&statType=1&season=2012&level='ALL'
Delmon: http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=430321#gameType='R'&sectionType=career&statType=1&season=2012&level='ALL'

gunnarthor
04-14-2012, 04:29 PM
The Twins could of had Longoria instead of Young and Harris for Garza & Bartlett, but Punto was Gardy's pet and could play ss & 3b. See how well that worked out.

Never heard that rumor before.

deanlambrecht
04-14-2012, 06:04 PM
The Twins could of had Longoria instead of Young and Harris for Garza & Bartlett, but Punto was Gardy's pet and could play ss & 3b. See how well that worked out.

I don't buy that. Longoria was already a known prospect who hadn't had any trouble roughing up minor league umpires. No way the Rays were dangling Longoria for anyone.

WJ
04-16-2012, 10:19 AM
Willingham replaced Cuddyer. Willingham did not replace Cuddyer and Delmon. If you want to compare Willingham's stats with Delmon's, fine, but then you need to come up with a different replacement for Cuddyer's numbers.

JB_Iowa
04-16-2012, 12:49 PM
Friday was a disaster in the field for Delmon. He looked better on Saturday and Sunday.

Delmon looked positively svelte when they showed a side-by-side of him and Prince Fielder (Prince on 3rd, DY on 2nd). But what was up with the 2 HBP and the walk the other day? Positively un-Delmonlike.

Oh, and the Tigers had some definite RISP problems during the Chicago series. Stranded an awful-lot of guys.

ashburyjohn
04-16-2012, 01:39 PM
Mastroianni had a quote during Spring, contrasting the Twins camp to Toronto's, saying that if he made a play like that for Toronto he would get reamed (his word) for it, while Gardy told him quietly in the dugout "let's keep the 360's to a minimum, OK?" Wonder if Gardy was that circumspect with Delmon, though.

stringer bell
04-16-2012, 01:42 PM
Probably the most telling thing is that Young is getting replaced for defense in the late innings. You don't see those moves that often any more (although the Rangers do it) with the limited benches that ML teams have now.

MWLFan
04-16-2012, 01:53 PM
Picking on Delmon for his defense is not fair, it is like picking on Drew Butera for his offense, Matt LeCroy for his speed or me for my spelling. Defense is something Delmon has to do, not something he wants to do when you have a team of Rivals for the DH position. I don't understand the cult of Delmon, maybe it will click for him and he will take off like it did for Big Papi. (But they test more now then they did when David started to stay healthy and go the other way off the Green Monster. I don't know of a injection for your glove.) What Delmon needs is the old Matt Lawton supersized glove, you know the one that looks like the big camping chair in Menards. It won't help route running and instincts he has yet to pick up after 15 plus years of playing organized baseball, but he could be able to swipe at the ball and maybe knock it down so it will not roll to the fence quite as often, thus saving his legs for his next at bat.

Thrylos
04-16-2012, 01:55 PM
I think that:
a. getting rid of Delmon was a bad move.
b. getting rid of him for close to nothing was a worse move and
c. sending him to a division rival was inane.

John Bonnes
04-16-2012, 02:09 PM
I think that:
a. getting rid of Delmon was a bad move.
b. getting rid of him for close to nothing was a worse move and
c. sending him to a division rival was inane.

So you would have paid him $6.375M this offseason? That essentially means swapping Delmon for Willingham.

Thrylos
04-16-2012, 02:21 PM
So you would have paid him $6.375M this offseason? That essentially means swapping Delmon for Willingham.

Not exactly... Willingham was Cuddyer's replacement. Delmon has not been replaced

I'd keep him as a starting RF or DH (where he belongs) and if the money was an issue I would have not signed Marquis and would have found a better alternative than Capps for half the money. That would make the $ about equal.

dwintheiser
04-16-2012, 03:13 PM
Yeah, let's make fun of Delmon some more! It's obvious that the Tigers made a bad move in acquiring him and his...

...wait, .380 on-base percentage?

Oh, but his poor fielding has to be costing Detroit ballgames and...

...they're 6-3 and leading the division?

Oh.

WJ
04-16-2012, 03:25 PM
Hey, let's put up Jim Thome's blooper reel while we're at it. Oh, that's right, Thome was never asked to field a position.

StormJH1
04-16-2012, 03:47 PM
Hey, let's put up Jim Thome's blooper reel while we're at it. Oh, that's right, Thome was never asked to field a position.
That's actually a great point. Delmon's a terrible outfielder, but he was also a RF'er/borderline DH when we got him from Tampa Bay. Gardy's love for Cuddyer forced him into LF, and Kubel wasn't exactly a great OF'er in his own right. There are plenty Twins players who would've been exposed if they had been forced to move to LF...Delmon was "awarded" that task, ironically, because he was thought to be a better athlete than some of the alternatives.

Shane Wahl
04-16-2012, 10:57 PM
Yeah, let's make fun of Delmon some more! It's obvious that the Tigers made a bad move in acquiring him and his...

...wait, .380 on-base percentage?

Oh, but his poor fielding has to be costing Detroit ballgames and...

...they're 6-3 and leading the division?

Oh.

34 plate appearances this year. Even when he was "on fire" for Detroit last year, he only managed a .756 OPS.

Shane Wahl
04-16-2012, 10:58 PM
Also, he's been hit three times this year so far. That dramatically aids his OBP in 34 plate appearances.

Shane Wahl
04-16-2012, 11:37 PM
That's actually a great point. Delmon's a terrible outfielder, but he was also a RF'er/borderline DH when we got him from Tampa Bay. Gardy's love for Cuddyer forced him into LF, and Kubel wasn't exactly a great OF'er in his own right. There are plenty Twins players who would've been exposed if they had been forced to move to LF...Delmon was "awarded" that task, ironically, because he was thought to be a better athlete than some of the alternatives.

What about 15 years in age difference between the two? Also, what about the fact that Delmon absolutely did NOT want to be a DH?

twinsnorth49
04-16-2012, 11:42 PM
I think that:
a. getting rid of Delmon was a bad move.
b. getting rid of him for close to nothing was a worse move and
c. sending him to a division rival was inane.

Did you see the video??? He looked like a human post hole auger, not an MLB outfileder. I'll give him credit for one thing, he at least made it looked like he was trying.

I could watch that video for the rest of my life and laugh everytime!! Love it.

Shane Wahl
04-17-2012, 03:38 PM
I think that:
a. getting rid of Delmon was a bad move.
b. getting rid of him for close to nothing was a worse move and
c. sending him to a division rival was inane.

Lester Oliveros might end up being a better value than Delmon Young. Full stop.

CDog
04-17-2012, 03:54 PM
Don't you forget Delmon had a 2 run homer and is batting .300 He is better than any ofer the Twins have and they gave him away for notting!

Took me nearly a week before I gave in to temptation and opened this thread. The main reason I didn't was because I didn't really want to read nonsense and lies. Took until the tenth reply to get some of both.