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Bark's Lounge
07-22-2013, 05:16 PM
According to Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee, WI Journal Sentinel, Ryan Braun has been suspended for the remainder of the season for his part in Biogenesis scandal. Mr. Braun will not appeal.
MLB suspends Ryan Braun for remainder of season - JSOnline (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/216496651.html)

My take: Good. I do not see how he washes the egg off of his face on this one. Mr. Braun - No Hall of Fame for You! (if he would have even made it in the first place)

TheLeviathan
07-22-2013, 05:18 PM
"I realize now that I made some mistakes"

Just realized that now huh? I wonder what kind of hell that poor drug tester who got raked over the coals feels about your "mistakes" last time.

Bark's Lounge
07-22-2013, 05:20 PM
"I realize now that I made some mistakes"

Just realized that now huh? I wonder what kind of hell that poor drug tester who got raked over the coals feels about your "mistakes" last time.
I imagine there is a Lawsuit being put together as I type this.

notoriousgod71
07-22-2013, 05:27 PM
Suspended for the remainder of a lost season. They should all be suspended for the beginning of next season.

PseudoSABR
07-22-2013, 05:28 PM
Ryan Braun is a piece of ****. The Lance of Armstrong of baseball. Even Arod has more class.

TheLeviathan
07-22-2013, 05:29 PM
Ryan Braun is a piece of ****. The Lance of Armstrong of baseball. Even Arod has more class.

I've heard a lot of people saying this. To me, Arod's "class" was more just because had already beaten the system for several giant contracts and a seat in the record books. I always took it as smug satisfaction for being caught well past when it mattered.

PseudoSABR
07-22-2013, 05:32 PM
Don't get me wrong, Arod is a total punk.

notoriousgod71
07-22-2013, 05:33 PM
Braun has always carried himself as a douche bag and I'm not sorry that he finally is getting what he deserves. I would hope for his contract to be voided but I'm certain that someone else would come along and offer him a bigger contract so he'd still win.

buckninetyone
07-22-2013, 05:38 PM
i guess his name now goes on the leaflet "infamous jewish sports legends"

glunn
07-22-2013, 05:39 PM
We may allow some slight extra leeway here, but please keep in mind the TD policy against name calling. I share the sentiment against Braun, but the policy remains in place, even as to this unsavory player.

CairoCrown
07-22-2013, 05:40 PM
i guess his name now goes on the leaflet "infamous jewish sports legends"
Surely you must be joking.

CairoCrown
07-22-2013, 05:44 PM
Looks like A-Rod's suspension is not far away.
Alex Rodriguez all but assured of major Biogenesis-related suspension - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22847999/alex-rodriguez-all-but-assured-of-major-biogenesisrelated-suspension)

beckmt
07-22-2013, 06:06 PM
MLB now has the evidence needed to prove its cases. (I believe). Most of the remainder will be the length of the suspensions, not the fact they will be suspended.

Monkeypaws
07-22-2013, 06:08 PM
Bud Selig just popped his first stiff one in 10 years.

Thanks for the nightmare Tom

JB_Iowa
07-22-2013, 06:15 PM
Can't wait to read what all the MVP apologists et. al. have to say about all of this. Geez, maybe he could pass the award along to the drug tester.

jokin
07-22-2013, 06:52 PM
As our local media is wont to do, they won't have to look far to dig up a "local angle" to this rapidly developing story. I'm speaking of course, of the Trevor Plouffe/Ryan Braun connection, per Mackey's article of one year ago http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Mackey_Trevor_Plouffes_tear_catches_eye_of_good_fr iend_Ryan_Braun061512:


"Braun, 28, and Plouffe, who turned 26 on Friday, have known each other for about 15 years. Plouffe played youth baseball with Braun's younger brother Steve, who played in the Brewers system from 2008-2010.


"Plouffe was the 20th overall pick in 2004, and Braun was the fifth overall pick in 2005, and both signed with the same agent after their respective drafts."


"Since Braun was drafted, the two have worked out together every offseason underneath the baseball stadium at Pepperdine University in an old, abandoned gymnasium they call "The Dungeon.""


"And this offseason, when Braun was under fire for failing a performance-enhancing drug test, Plouffe defended his friend adamantly on Twitter and to reporters."



"I think of him like a little brother," Braun said. "I've known him forever, and he's one of my good friends. ... It's been a lot of fun to watch the success he's had. ..."


Trevor has yet to comment on these developments. "Guilt by association" comes naturally to a sensationalistic media. While there is absolutely no evidence concerning Plouffe and PEDs/Biogenesis, will that stop the media from openly speculating on the matter?

Bark's Lounge
07-22-2013, 06:59 PM
4894

buckninetyone
07-22-2013, 07:22 PM
thank god the only things joe mauer is guilty of is hugging puppies and agonizingly boring interviews.

jokin
07-22-2013, 07:39 PM
thank god the only things joe mauer is guilty of is hugging puppies and agonizingly boring interviews.

Could he just "suspend" doing those interviews?..."agonizing" is the aptly operative adjective here....

although.... I was quite surprised at listening to Terry Steinbach yesterday, postgame, he just single-handedly wrestled the mantle of "Cliche Master" from both Joe and Gardy in one press conference....brutal. And Terry's a guy who invariably has a history of quite insightful interviews.

Plouffe seems to do a good job, Doumit too. I heard Casey Fien for the first time last weekend, he was terrific and he brought out some insight on Ullger prepping the outfielders concerning the nuances of Target Field and situational fielding considerations.

Obie
07-22-2013, 07:39 PM
While there is absolutely no evidence concerning Plouffe and PEDs/Biogenesis, will that stop the media from openly speculating on the matter?

It would seem you have just done precisely what you are accusing the media of potentially doing.

jokin
07-22-2013, 07:40 PM
It would seem you have just done precisely what you are accusing the media of potentially doing.

How so? I'm speculating on what could possibly happen based on the history of the media's established history of unfounded speculating- getting an inch worth of story and taking a mile. Are you denying that they have enough rope from Plouffe's and Braun's shared history to pursue this line? The local media love to find a local angle.

buckninetyone
07-22-2013, 07:49 PM
well the brewers are winning, so maybe a good thing?

PseudoSABR
07-22-2013, 08:04 PM
Todd Sutton @toddsutton (https://twitter.com/toddsutton)
@AaronRodgers12 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12) you really believe he didn't you PED's???? #delusional (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23delusional&src=hash)




https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3130863486/f31d627d0a77b2fb3957d0364c9544a7_normal.jpegAaron Rodgers ✔ @AaronRodgers12 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12)
@toddsutton (https://twitter.com/toddsutton) ya I'd put my salary next year on it. #ponyup (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ponyup&src=hash)#exonerated (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23exonerated&src=hash)
5:47 PM - 23 Feb 2012 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/statuses/172814847518572544)

buckninetyone
07-22-2013, 08:10 PM
Todd Sutton @toddsutton (https://twitter.com/toddsutton)
@AaronRodgers12 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12) you really believe he didn't you PED's???? #delusional (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23delusional&src=hash)




https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3130863486/f31d627d0a77b2fb3957d0364c9544a7_normal.jpegAaron Rodgers ✔ @AaronRodgers12 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12)
@toddsutton (https://twitter.com/toddsutton) ya I'd put my salary next year on it. #ponyup (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23ponyup&src=hash)#exonerated (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23exonerated&src=hash)
5:47 PM - 23 Feb 2012 (https://twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/statuses/172814847518572544)





given his history of welching on bets, don't count on it.

buckninetyone
07-22-2013, 08:17 PM
curt schilling accuses braun of being a fraud.

darin617
07-22-2013, 08:29 PM
"I realize now that I made some mistakes"

Just realized that now huh? I wonder what kind of hell that poor drug tester who got raked over the coals feels about your "mistakes" last time.

Not too bad it only took him 3 years to figure out he made "some mistakes". He got off way too easy and it actually helps the Brewers get a better draft pick next year. He should have to sit out another 20-25 games in 2014.

darin617
07-22-2013, 08:36 PM
well the brewers are winning, so maybe a good thing?

You might want to look at the standings 1 more time. They are tied with the Twins both having 41 wins. Great by golf's scoring system low score is best.

PseudoSABR
07-22-2013, 08:40 PM
Peter Gammons was just talking about (on the MLB Network) how there's been a shift in players attitudes, to the point where the Player's Union no longer seeks to defend cheaters in the same capacity. I'd like to hear from more current players decrying what Braun has done. I wonder how the Diamondbacks (at least those on the 2011 playoff team) are gioing to react when the face Braun next.

buckninetyone
07-22-2013, 08:40 PM
You might want to look at the standings 1 more time. They are tied with the Twins both having 41 wins. Great by golf's scoring system low score is best.

i meant tonight. they're up 3-1. wheeeeee!

nicksaviking
07-22-2013, 08:48 PM
Muckracking reporter Nicksaviking has found that Ryan Braun forfiets the remainder of his $8.5 million salary for 2013. In 2014, his contract calls for a $10 million salary. Speculation is that $10 million is larger than $8.5 million.

Beezer07
07-22-2013, 09:04 PM
curt schilling accuses braun of being a fraud.

Tangential-relation alert: I never really liked Schilling when he was a player, or as an analyst, or when he took millions of $$$ from Rhode Island and bankrupted a company, so this may be biased, but...

He come off as such a jerk today on ESPN radio. He was being interveiwed about Bedard's decision to come out in the midst of a no-hitter, and said that Bedard was basically an awful person. Whatever, fine, I don't mind that. He continued, saying that you could tell Bedard had no heart/guts/whatever because he's pitched so few innings in his career. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Bedard's shoulder been falling off for year?

Anyway, Schilling seems unpleasant to me. And as a Brewers fan, Braun is dead to me.

PseudoSABR
07-22-2013, 09:11 PM
And as a Brewers fan, Braun is dead to me.Is that the general sentiment among Brewers fans? Is there a viable/non-rube message board for the Brewers?

Beezer07
07-22-2013, 09:18 PM
Is that the general sentiment among Brewers fans? Is there a viable/non-rube message board for the Brewers?

I'm not sure if that's the general sentiment, but I'm sure there are plenty who feel that way. You tend to lose a lot of people who formerly had your back when it turns out you were lying all along.

Plenty of fans (and others) supported him last year, when his test was leaked before the appeals process, meaning no one would have known the test was positive had the process worked correctly. It's tough to continue supporting him when you know he was lying all along.

notoriousgod71
07-22-2013, 11:09 PM
Peter Gammons was just talking about (on the MLB Network) how there's been a shift in players attitudes, to the point where the Player's Union no longer seeks to defend cheaters in the same capacity. I'd like to hear from more current players decrying what Braun has done. I wonder how the Diamondbacks (at least those on the 2011 playoff team) are gioing to react when the face Braun next.

Most likely scenario: Kennedy drills him, brawl ensues, Parra knifes him.

Old Twins Cap
07-22-2013, 11:38 PM
MLB needed this as much as Braun. You gotta start somewhere, and a former MVP who was willing to waive appeals and take his medicine is as good as any. There are some big fish and many names yet to drop. They started with Braun because it sends a clear message to the rest: come clean, take the hit, and we will let you off easy. Take the long road, and we will inflict maximum pain. Think of the pressure now on the rest of the Biogenesis crew: would you want to be the last one to admit guilt?

Larsbars08
07-23-2013, 12:03 AM
I generally have problems with how players legacies have been effected by the "steroid era". It's ridiculously inconsistent, unfair, and seems to unfortunately correlate with how well liked the player was by the media. I also have issues with the arbitrariness of how MLB defines PED's and how that is decided.

That said, I have no sympathy for Ryan Braun and the current crop of guys under investigation. In the 90's and early 2000's there was an argument to be made that so many guys were doing it, and was outright ignored by the powers that be in MLB as long as ratings and stadium attendance went up. Since the Mitchell report, and the revamped testing, there isn't even that excuse.

Baseball has never been as rosy as people like to remember. The golden era of baseball was never that golden. Each "era" of baseball has had problems that affected the integrity of the game. There are a lot of guys in the Hall of Fame who probably would have never gotten in if they had played today. A decision is going to have to be made about Hall of Fame candidates who retired in the last 10 years or so. Either you let them all in, or you don't let anyone in. Judging each player case by case hasn't seemed to work to well. Nobody was inducted this year, and it will probably only get more difficult.

Blackjack
07-23-2013, 07:46 AM
his contract calls for a $10 million salary.

This is why he should be banned for life, he took enough roids to be signed to a huge contract, a contract that he will still collect on. If you have some struggling player looking at this case, only a 1/2 season suspension, why wouldn't he take a chance on taking a few steroids and getting his own big payday??

Baseball won't stop the steroid problem until they hand out longer suspensions and/or void the contracts of players that fail a drug test.

JB_Iowa
07-23-2013, 08:29 AM
The more I read and think about what he said, it looks to me like he set up his statement so that at some point in the future he can back away. I am very bothered by the fact that he did not admit PEDs use: ''I am not perfect. I realize now that I have made some mistakes. I am willing to accept the consequences of those actions,'' he said in a statement.

I hope mlb got him to admit to usage not just to "mistakes".

Player rep Weiner might call it a "bold step" but it looks like a lot of weasel words to me.

Thegrin
07-23-2013, 08:35 AM
Will Valencia be among those banned ? or is he too small.

whosafraidofluigirussolo
07-23-2013, 10:24 AM
On the "Ryan Braun = Lance Armstrong" meme:

"ESPN’s Buster Olney (http://espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/post/_/id/2575)—and legions of others online—are comparing the Brewers slugger with the disgraced cyclist since, like Armstrong, Ryan Braun preceded his admittance of guilt with profoundly passionate statements of innocence. But Ryan Braun never tried to financially ruin any of the people who accused him. Ryan Braun never brought frivolous lawsuits or bullied fellow teammates into using in order to make them complicit."

Dave Zirin, The Nation

diehardtwinsfan
07-23-2013, 05:10 PM
Ryan Braun is a piece of ****. The Lance of Armstrong of baseball. Even Arod has more class.

Something tells me when this is all said and done, that second statement won't seem true anymore.

diehardtwinsfan
07-23-2013, 05:16 PM
Couple things to think of.

Voiding contracts is a bad idea. Craig Calceterra wrote an interesting piece for HBT on this one. It seems good at first until you try to flush it out.

I wonder how quickly the other dominoes should fall. With the exception of A-Rod, who hampered the investigation, I would think anyone else named should be asking for the same penalty.

JB_Iowa
07-23-2013, 06:13 PM
Couple things to think of.

Voiding contracts is a bad idea. Craig Calceterra wrote an interesting piece for HBT on this one. It seems good at first until you try to flush it out.



I guess I never thought it would be an automatic void -- unless there is a permanent ban from baseball due to repeated offenses.

I always thought it should be that the team would have the option of voiding the contract. Other choice would be to keep the contract in place. Third option would be for both parties to renegotiate.

But I really do think that the teams deserve some protection on the long term contracts. There is something fundamentally wrong about being stuck with a long-term contract obtained by a player under false pretenses. (I'm not naive enough to think that team management doesn't have some suspicions at times but that's different than a violation of the policy).

And I would also guess that peer pressure is going to be the best regulatory device there is. There will always be cheaters but peer pressure is a powerful thing. After all, isn't that the reason so many cheat in the first place (a/k/a everybody is doing it)?

Beezer07
07-23-2013, 06:22 PM
If the teams want some protection on long term contracts, they should put protection in those long term contracts when they make them.

JB_Iowa
07-23-2013, 06:59 PM
If the teams want some protection on long term contracts, they should put protection in those long term contracts when they make them.

I don't disagree with that but we've never heard reports of that type of clause in an mlb contract. Have to wonder if the MLBPA would previously not allow it or if the teams thought testing was protection enough or if agents would never agree.

I kind of think there must be more to that part of the story.

Beezer07
07-23-2013, 07:07 PM
I think it's because baseball contracts are all guaranteed money. Plus with no salary cap, there's no reason to have voidable, non-guaranteed contracts. This is why small-market teams can't compete with big market teams over the long haul.

If Evan Longoria or Joe Mauer get busted, there's no coming back for TB or the Twins. If Robinson Cano gets busted, the Yankees can go buy a different second baseman.

USAFChief
07-24-2013, 11:17 PM
Make a cheap offer quick, Mr Ryan. I'd love Braun if LF next year.

jokin
07-25-2013, 12:02 PM
Something tells me when this is all said and done, that second statement won't seem true anymore.

And I think someone's going to be eating his second statement words sooner, rather than later.