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spideyo
04-10-2012, 06:49 PM
If you were in Gardy's shoes, what would your lineup be for tomorrow? What would you do to try and get this team going?

And don't say bring up Dozier, that's not happening in the next 24 hours.



Personally, my lineup would be:


1. Span, RF
2. Revere, CF
3. Mauer, C
4. Morneau, DH
5. Willingham, LF
6. Parmalee, 1B
7. Hughes, 2b
8. Plouffe, SS
9. Burroughs, 3b

Shake things up a little. Remind Valencia, Doumit, Carroll, and Casilla that if they don't perform, there are other guys waiting to take their spot. Remind Span that we have other guys that can man CF if he can't keep Pujols from going first to third. If we had a third catcher, I'd sit Mauer too, but Doumit has looked even worse at the plate

darin617
04-10-2012, 07:06 PM
I would have traded Revere when he still had some value in the off season. And for all the Dozier talk, he is hitting against minor league pitching for a week so far. Sano might make it interesting if he continues to rip the cover off the ball.

thrillema25
04-10-2012, 07:08 PM
I also like Span in RF, but mine would be:

Span RF
Mauer C
Morneau DH
Willingham LF
Valencia 3B
Parmalee 1B
Hughes 2B
Plouffe SS
Revere CF

twinsnorth49
04-10-2012, 07:17 PM
Span CF
Mauer C
Morneau DH
Willingham LF
Valencia 3B
Parmalee 1B
Hughes 2B
Plouffe RF
Carroll SS

And stick with it for awhile.

whydidnt
04-10-2012, 07:19 PM
I think the top of the order needs shaking up..

Revere CF
Mauer C
Morneau DH
Willingham LF
Doumit RF
Parmalee 1B
Valencia 3B
Plouffe SS
Casilla 2B

However, I am willing to bet this is the lineup we'll see:
Span CF
Carroll SS
Mauer C
Mourneau DH
Willingham LF
Doumit RF
Valencia 3B
Parmalee 1B
Casilla 2B

Gardenhire wants this to be his every day lineup and coming off an off day, it's the typical time for him to put it back in play.

TwinsFanLV
04-10-2012, 07:24 PM
1. Revere LF
2. Mauer C
3. Span CF
4. Morneau 1B
5. Willingham DH
6. Parmlee RF
7. Burroughs 3B
8. Casilla 2B
9. Carroll SS

If Morneau is healthy enough to DH, he's healthy enough to play 1st base. What is the virtue of getting 600 at bats on a team that loses 120 games? Willingham is a defensive liability. Valencia just isn't getting it. 12 similarly non skilled pitchers is too many.

Bark's Lounge
04-10-2012, 07:58 PM
If you were in Gardy's shoes, what would your lineup be for tomorrow? What would you do to try and get this team going?

And don't say bring up Dozier, that's not happening in the next 24 hours.



Personally, my lineup would be:


1. Span, RF
2. Revere, CF
3. Mauer, C
4. Morneau, DH
5. Willingham, LF
6. Parmalee, 1B
7. Hughes, 2b
8. Plouffe, SS
9. Burroughs, 3b

Shake things up a little. Remind Valencia, Doumit, Carroll, and Casilla that if they don't perform, there are other guys waiting to take their spot. Remind Span that we have other guys that can man CF if he can't keep Pujols from going first to third. If we had a third catcher, I'd sit Mauer too, but Doumit has looked even worse at the plate

Sorry, I am going to use Dozier in my hypothetical line-up, At the conclusion of last season I felt in my baseball heart that this would be a Rebuilding Season and not a Retooling Season. Although Willingham has looked okay at the plate so far, I would not have signed him, Carroll - No, Marquis - No, Doumit - Yes, he can be a good hitting back-up Catcher and Bench Player at a fair price. You might as well have a sub-par season playing young players to take their licks and get experience than squirting some Elmer's Glue on an amputated limb, hoping that will stop the bleeding. In my unprofessional opinion, that is what the Twin's Front Office is doing and are only delaying the future success of the ball club.

CF- Span
LF - Revere
C - Mauer
DH - Morneau
RF - Benson
1B - Parmelee
3B - Hughes (I am a glutton for punishment)
2B - Plouffe (See Above 3B)
SS - Dozier

Seth Stohs
04-10-2012, 08:03 PM
Span CF
Carroll 2B
Mauer C
Morneau 1B
Willingham RF
Doumit DH
Valencia 3B
Dozier SS
Revere LF

SP: Hendriks

OK, back to the without Dozier part of it:

I'd move Carroll back to 2nd and have Casilla bat 8th at 2B.

CDog
04-10-2012, 09:31 PM
Span CF
Mauer C
Morneau DH
Willingham LF
Doumit RF
Valencia 3B
Parmalee 1B
Carroll SS
Casilla 2B

The change there from the "norm" would have nothing to do with shaking anything up, though, as that would have been my Opening Day lineup.

CDog
04-10-2012, 09:33 PM
If Morneau is healthy enough to DH, he's healthy enough to play 1st base. What is the virtue of getting 600 at bats on a team that loses 120 games? Willingham is a defensive liability. Valencia just isn't getting it. 12 similarly non skilled pitchers is too many.

This was pretty well covered at the end of March on all the media outlets as to why he's DH'ing over playing 1B for the most part. Also, I'll be in Las Vegas in May if you'd like to meet to place a legal wager on that 120 loss prediction.

powrwrap
04-10-2012, 10:00 PM
Revere CF
Hughes 2B
Mauer C
Mourneau DH
Willingham LF
Doumit RF
Parmelee 1B
Valencia 3B
Casilla SS

Span is 4 for 15 so far this year and 2 for 13 career against Weaver. Carroll is 1 for 10 against Weaver and 0 for 13 so far this year. They're grabbing some pine.

lee_the_twins_fan
04-10-2012, 10:14 PM
Mine would be:

1. Span RF
2. Mauer C
3. Morneau DH
4. Willingham LF
5. Valencia 3B
6. Parmalee 1B
7. Hughes 2B
8. Carroll SS
9. Revere CF

I think this is the best balance of offense and defense for the Twins, with what they have. I like Mauer 2nd in lineup – good on base and RBI guy.
Morneau's hitting the best, so having him third makes sense. If Dozier were here, I would put him in in place of Carroll.

spideyo
04-10-2012, 10:24 PM
Surprised so many of you are willing to leave Valencia at 3b given his performance so far.

Bark's Lounge
04-10-2012, 10:40 PM
Surprised so many of you are willing to leave Valencia at 3b given his performance so far.

He doesn't appear to be the answer to the long lasting void the Twin's have to fill. I'd rather give Hughes and Plouffe a try. they might not be any better, but at this point what is there to lose? Valencia is as we all know a lack luster fielder and if you have an OBP below .300, you should not be starting for any team... let alone he is a corner infielder who should provide some offensive pop. Not happening.

Riverbrian
04-10-2012, 10:45 PM
Velencia is proudly on my bench. I may not allow him on the bench. May force him to sit in corner in the clubhouse with no pre game or post game food to snack on. May make him sort socks or something. Even if Velencia has a couple of dingers off weaver. Message must be sent. Velencia you do not have a major league job sewn up yet.

OK the lineup against Weaver

Span CF (bunt single to start the game)
Mauer C (funny how a lot of us think Mauer should be in the two hole)
Willingham RF (just to break up the lefties)
Morneau 1B (he's gotta play 1B sometime again... Nows as a good time as any)
Doumit DH (that's right... Both catchers in the lineup and one at DH...can u sleep tonight)
Plouffe 3B (2 for 5 against weaver... 400 average baby)
Hughes 2B (1 for 2 against weaver.. 500 average baby)
Revere LF (here comes the speed... We may have to bunt and steal and little ball it)
Casilla SS (More speed... Weaver will need his slide step and Ianetta will be tested)

whydidnt
04-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Velencia is proudly on my bench. I may not allow him on the bench. May force him to sit in corner in the clubhouse with no pre game or post game food to snack on. May make him sort socks or something. Even if Velencia has a couple of dingers off weaver. Message must be sent. Velencia you do not have a major league job sewn up yet.

Well, after reading this I was 100% convinced that Riverbrian and Gardy are one in the same, but then he had to go and throw a curve ball by putting Doumit at DH. We all know Gardy's head might explode if he has to have a pitcher hit...not sure why since any of the pitchers on our team must be able to hit as well as most these guys have so far, but.... So, now I'm really confused, is it Gardy and Doumit is just at DH to throw us off?

Answer this, has any of us ever seen Riverbrian and Gardy in the same place at the same time? ;)

TwinsFanLV
04-10-2012, 11:11 PM
This was pretty well covered at the end of March on all the media outlets as to why he's DH'ing over playing 1B for the most part. Also, I'll be in Las Vegas in May if you'd like to meet to place a legal wager on that 120 loss prediction.Not interested in media outlets. The Morneau excuses sound a lot like "bilateral leg weakness". When you come to Las Vegas, bring money. Plenty of opportunities to make legal wagers.

Shane Wahl
04-11-2012, 12:05 AM
Span, CF
Mauer, C
Morneau, DH
Willingham, RIGHT FIELD
Parmelee, 1B
Burroughs, 3B
Carroll, SS
Casilla, 2B

Two right-handed bats against Weaver. I have nothing against Carroll batting second, but Mauer was born to bat second, obviously.

Riverbrian
04-11-2012, 12:08 AM
Answer this, has any of us ever seen Riverbrian and Gardy in the same place at the same time? ;)

You might be onto something because I know that I haven't.

USAFChief
04-11-2012, 12:12 AM
Span, CF
Mauer, C
Morneau, DH
Willingham, RIGHT FIELD
Parmelee, 1B
Burroughs, 3B
Carroll, SS
Casilla, 2B

Two right-handed bats against Weaver. I have nothing against Carroll batting second, but Mauer was born to bat second, obviously.

Call me crazy, but I'm leery about not having a left fielder.

Riverbrian
04-11-2012, 12:17 AM
Call me crazy, but I'm leery about not having a left fielder.

Unconventional for sure. But hey... The teams is 0-4 and about to face Weaver. It's a fresh idea.

Shane Wahl
04-11-2012, 12:53 AM
Call me crazy, but I'm leery about not having a left fielder.

Haha, Revere got cut off there.

Span, CF
Mauer, C
Morneau, DH
Willingham, RIGHT FIELD
Parmelee, 1B
Burroughs, 3B
Carroll, SS
Casilla, 2B
Revere, LF

nchillsdale
04-11-2012, 04:47 AM
My first post. :cool:

Anyway my lineup would be:

Span (RF)
Mauer (C)
Morneau (DH)
Willingham (LF)
Parmelee (1B)
Sano (3B)
Dozier (SS)

Rosario (2B)
Revere (CF)


Ha, I drifted off there for a second......


Span (CF)
Mauer (C)
Morneau (DH)
Willingham (RF)
Parmelee (1B)
Valencia (3B)
Doumit (LF)
Carrol (SS)
Casilla (2B)


I think people need to give Valencia a little bit more time.

VodkaDave
04-11-2012, 07:23 AM
You don't "shake things up" 4 games into the season and throw out the panic signal.

StormJH1
04-11-2012, 07:24 AM
My first post. :cool:

Anyway my lineup would be:


Doumit (LF)




Wait, isn't that the same as not having a left fielder? :p

Riverbrian
04-11-2012, 08:12 AM
You don't "shake things up" 4 games into the season and throw out the panic signal.

"Please shake well before using". Those words should be hung in Gardy's office, in large letters on the dugout, printed on the backs of the jerseys and at eye level at the urinals. Well shake "after" in that location. Shake before everywhere else.

Gernzy
04-11-2012, 08:19 AM
Span CF
Hughes SS
Mauer C
Morneau DH
Willingham LF
Valenca 3B
Plouffe RF
Parmelee 1B
Casilla 2B

spideyo
04-11-2012, 08:45 AM
You don't "shake things up" 4 games into the season and throw out the panic signal.

Even when we've only scored one run before the 8th inning in those four games and are averaging an error a game?

stringer bell
04-11-2012, 09:15 AM
I really don't have a problem with the lineup, but they aren't hitting so far.

I might have Plouffe starting somewhere, just because the Twins need to decide what he is and what he can do. I guess I would flip-flop Casilla and Carroll just to take some pressure off Carroll.

Span CF
Casilla 2B
Mauer C
Willingham LF
Morneau DH
Valencia 3B
Parmelee 1B
Plouffe RF
Carroll SS


.

BigVin
04-11-2012, 09:29 AM
Let's be real, this is not a great Defensive team no matter whose playing it seems. So my starting lineup would be:
Span-RF
Plouffe-SS
Mauer-C
Willingham-LF
Morneau-DH
Parmalee-1b
Valencia-3b
Hughes-2b
Revere-CF

So over Casilla, and I like Carroll, so float him around SS and 2b. Doumit is our 4th OF, and backup C. Burroughs can float between 3b and 1b

Shane Wahl
04-11-2012, 10:42 AM
Not giving up on Valencia. I just look for a non-true platoon to see if Burroughs can hit against some righties. It is interesting to see these lineups with Plouffe and Hughes both in against Weaver. Either they shouldn't change the lineup at all or they should just make it lefty heavy. Split stats should be appreciated.

Riverbrian
04-11-2012, 10:43 AM
Not giving up on Valencia. I just look for a non-true platoon to see if Burroughs can hit against some righties. It is interesting to see these lineups with Plouffe and Hughes both in against Weaver. Either they shouldn't change the lineup at all or they should just make it lefty heavy. Split stats should be appreciated.

I'm not giving up on Velencia either. I just want 15 thousand alarm clocks strapped to his head that go off at the same time.

WJ
04-11-2012, 11:41 AM
Shake things up a little. Remind Valencia, Doumit, Carroll, and Casilla that if they don't perform, there are other guys waiting to take their spot. Remind Span that we have other guys that can man CF if he can't keep Pujols from going first to third. If we had a third catcher, I'd sit Mauer too, but Doumit has looked even worse at the plate

That is the last thing I would do. How about picking a line-up and then sticking with it for a week or two? No matter how bad someone does one day, he goes back out the next day (Gardy has no problem doing that with relievers, as he's demonstrated time and again). Let the guys play together and get comfortable.

You want to shake things up? Get rid of Gardenhire. Once again he has headed north with a team that doesn't appear ready to play. We might not have started 0-4 before, but the Twins have not had a good start in years.

jimbo92107
04-11-2012, 11:44 AM
This is like trying to win at poker when you don't get to have any aces or face cards. No matter how much you shuffle it, the deck is stacked against you.

It comes down to performance on the field. Span, Mauer and Morneau have got to start performing at their potential. I don't expect them to stay cold all season, but so far the top three guys have not been finding many baseballs with their bats. In fact, the whole lineup has been making the other team's pitchers look like nothing but aces. Hey, poker again!

WJ
04-11-2012, 11:50 AM
Two right-handed bats against Weaver. I have nothing against Carroll batting second, but Mauer was born to bat second, obviously.

Who was the last Twin to bat second that wasn't the shortstop or second baseman?

USAFChief
04-11-2012, 12:03 PM
You don't "shake things up" 4 games into the season and throw out the panic signal.

Concur.

If you want to get an extra LH bat or two in the lineup, fine. But not to "shake things up."

Thrylos
04-11-2012, 12:38 PM
Who was the last Twin to bat second that wasn't the shortstop or second baseman?

Revere (LF) 6 games ago. (Game 161 of 2011 season).

TwinVike61
04-11-2012, 02:39 PM
Haha, Revere got cut off there.

Span, CF
Mauer, C
Morneau, DH
Willingham, RIGHT FIELD
Parmelee, 1B
Burroughs, 3B
Carroll, SS
Casilla, 2B
Revere, LF

Did you mean to say that Revere failed to hit the cut off man?

hosskartrite
04-11-2012, 03:09 PM
Not giving up on Valencia. I just look for a non-true platoon to see if Burroughs can hit against some righties. It is interesting to see these lineups with Plouffe and Hughes both in against Weaver. Either they shouldn't change the lineup at all or they should just make it lefty heavy. Split stats should be appreciated.

Gardy almost certainly will stick with Valencia today, because he is 2-9 lifetime against Weaver with both hits being home runs

twinzgrl
04-11-2012, 03:21 PM
1. Casilla
2. Mauer
3. Morneau
4. Willingham
5. Parmelee
6. Span
7. Doumit
8. Carroll
9. Burroughs

These guys are capable of hitting--so why aren't they?

twinsnorth49
04-11-2012, 03:41 PM
This is like trying to win at poker when you don't get to have any aces or face cards. No matter how much you shuffle it, the deck is stacked against you.

It comes down to performance on the field. Span, Mauer and Morneau have got to start performing at their potential. I don't expect them to stay cold all season, but so far the top three guys have not been finding many baseballs with their bats. In fact, the whole lineup has been making the other team's pitchers look like nothing but aces. Hey, poker again!

Amen Elmo, I mean Jimbo, Nobody was complaining that Gardy didn't have the team ready to play in March, in fact they looked pretty damn good to me. It's about execution, the manager can't bat and can't field, he's put in three different lineups with the same results. THE PLAYERS HAVE TO GET IT DONE.

It's been 4 games people, C'MON!

twinsnorth49
04-11-2012, 03:43 PM
Did you mean to say that Revere failed to hit the cut off man?

Revere would never miss the cutoff man.....he can't throw it that far!