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Seth Stohs
04-10-2012, 10:00 AM
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Twins Fan From Afar
04-10-2012, 10:09 AM
Good post, Seth. I'm about a 7.5 on the fan scale. Certain moves (like the Capps for Ramos example) confuse or annoy me right off the bat, but I know enough to know that, despite what we all complain about concerning Bill Smith and Terry Ryan, the people working in MLB front offices generally have good baseball minds. And I also know that it's an exercise in futility to complain about that trade 150 times on the Star Tribune, Pioneer Press amd TwinsDaily sites.

And there's only so much negativity I can take. If the Twins stink this year, I'm sure I'll write about that on my blog to an extent, but I'll also focus more attention on the Rock Cats and the other teams that might post winning seasons.

Axel Kohagen
04-10-2012, 10:13 AM
Honestly, I can go between 1 and 10 in a single day, maybe even during a single game. Maybe even during one at bat. I guess "mercurial" would be the best word. I prefer highly emotional.

When I watch any game, the Twins are simultaneously the greatest team to ever play baseball and lousy bums. My objectivity is shot.

For me, their can be no greater testament of love than this chaotic insanity. Go Twins!

coddlenomore
04-10-2012, 10:17 AM
I get it, we shouldnt overreact this early. Yet I am amazed that the credit level you and others give to this team in terms of moves made. We lost three all -stars and replaced them with a 38 year old short stop, and oft injured left fielder with half the range of Cuddyer (shocking, but true!) and Doumit. We never addressed the horrific pitching situation we still have (see, i do realize they have pitched well so far.....) and people who think we upgraded our defense please explain to me how other then carroll? The credit Terry Ryan gets need to be put into the context that every move we make is dollar wise, thats it! Remember all our big free agent pick up?......How about those huge moves when we were contending...Bret Boone, Pat Borders, Jesse Orosco, Phil Nevin, etc....

Shane Wahl
04-10-2012, 10:19 AM
I am probably about a 7 or so, though with Gardenhire specifically it is more of a 5. I am hoping that TD doesn't turn into the mess of comments that was the Star Tribune Twins section (I never go there anymore). Four games into the season . . . there are 158 more games . . .

Twins Fan From Afar
04-10-2012, 10:20 AM
I get it, we shouldnt overreact this early. Yet I am amazed that the credit level you and others give to this team in terms of moves made. We lost three all -stars and replaced them with a 38 year old short stop, and oft injured left fielder with half the range of Cuddyer (shocking, but true!) and Doumit. We never addressed the horrific pitching situation we still have (see, i do realize they have pitched well so far.....) and people who think we upgraded our defense please explain to me how other then carroll? The credit Terry Ryan gets need to be put into the context that every move we make is dollar wise, thats it! Remember all our big free agent pick up?......How about those huge moves when we were contending...Bret Boone, Pat Borders, Jesse Orosco, Phil Nevin, etc....

All those things you listed annoy and upset me probably just as much as any fan. I think I almost was reduced to tears when I found out that we were resting our hopes on Jason Marquis this season. But I also realized that there's nothing -- aside from complaining for a day or two on my blog -- that I can do about it, besides not going to games. And I like baseball too much to make that kind of a protest.

Thrylos
04-10-2012, 10:21 AM
I want to Twins to win. Also when they don't I want them to look and analyse the reasons why they didn't win and make changes that will allow them to win. If they do not do that (or if they have low expectations/complacency i.e. it is ok to win the division every other year or so and be blown out at the post-season) I criticize. I just want them to win.

strumdatjag
04-10-2012, 10:32 AM
The front office was brilliant in letting Nathan, Cuddyer and Kubel go. With a depleted minor league system, the Twins needed the compensatory draft picks to beef up for the future. This year and next year could be tough to watch if you were expecting a division championship. However, the three guys we let go were not going to be the difference to put this team in the playoffs. This is Detroit's time to shine, and the Twins are smart to use it to start building for the future. Read Reusse's column today.

jeffk
04-10-2012, 10:37 AM
strumdatjag (http://twinsdaily.com/member.php?474-strumdatjag) - I agree that was the smartest thing they did this winter, to replace players with equivalent players that were slightly cheaper plus draft picks.

ltwedt
04-10-2012, 10:38 AM
I am a Twins fan - 10 all the way! However:

I reserve the right to question, disagree, be stunned with, agree with and talk about - all decisions made by the GM, the Manager (especially the Manager!!!), and the entire Front Office.

I also reserve the right to:

Be a "Homer", enthusiastically and irrationally cheer for and wildly support the Minnesota Twins!

twinswon1991
04-10-2012, 10:52 AM
I am the biggest twins fan there is but I also have a firm grasp on REALITY. I never expected this team to be better than bottom 3 in the whole MLB this year but that doesnt make me any less of a fan.

I wish more of the media had a better sense of reality instead of cheerleading and giving uneducated fans false hope.

Gernzy
04-10-2012, 11:00 AM
Probably about a 7. I hated the J.J. Hardy trade. Wait hate isn't strong enough of a word. It really pissed me off. Sometimes we don't give people enough of a chance, and sometimes we give people too many chances (Casilla, Punto). I'll be a Twins fan no matter what happens though.

Steve Lein
04-10-2012, 11:08 AM
I'd have to say I'm always in the middle. I wholeheartedly believe some moves were 100% correct (Signing Willingham/Doumit to replace Kubel/Cuddyer/Butera). But I wholeheartedly also go WTF?! to some moves (Jason Marquis, Capps). Since they should be rebuilding, but haven't yet actually embraced that philosophy, I'll probably settle in at a 4 right now.

Fanatic Jack
04-10-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm a 10 win, lose, or draw. However, I will cancel my season tickets after 2012 if manager Ron Gardenhire keeps his job. Name another market in MLB where Gardenhire would keep his job? Jim Leyland nearly won a World Series in 2007 and was on the hot seat until last year. Ozzie won it all in 2005 and was very good friends with the owner (Jerry Reinsdorf) and they did not retain him when his contract was up. Gardenhire can't beat any teams in the AL East or West, has lost 12 straight playoff games, and refuses to even make a coaching change. He also continues to make excuses for the team. Injuries last year and now great pitching. Give me a break! I ask you Seth, at what point does losing become acceptable???? Why is ok in Minnesota but not New York, Boston, Chicago, and St. Louis?

Fanatic Jack
04-10-2012, 11:17 AM
We were promised more as fans when we helped Pohlad build his fortress of solitude called Target Field.

CDog
04-10-2012, 11:20 AM
Those might be the two greatest posts ever from an irony standpoint.

TCBurgerGuy
04-10-2012, 11:22 AM
I'd call myself a solid 8. As far as the front office and trades and such go, I understand that being a high-level executive in any profession is a tough gig, especially one as high profile as in the MLB. For the most part I trust that the people in charge of putting a team together know what they are doing. I believe that they want the team to win. I also think that they know deep down that it isn't going to happen this year or probably next. I have to say that I really agree with strum's post above. They need to replenish the minors. They will possibly be losing the majority of their pitching staff next season. They are rebuilding without stating it and losing three of their biggest names was a move that was going to happen eventually. I still love the team, but it may be hard to watch for a couple of seasons (like in the mid-late 90's). A true fan will remain a loyal fan through those hard times and will enjoy the good times even more when they return.

CDog
04-10-2012, 11:31 AM
I'd also say 8ish. There are occasional head-scratchers, but I'm smart enough to know what I don't know. I don't question everything my doctor says even though I've seen a few episodes of "Scrubs," either. But there would be cases where I might look for a second opinion, too.

Boom Boom
04-10-2012, 11:56 AM
I would have said a 9 until last year. Last year was really, really bad, and it wasn't all injuries and bad luck as the Twins claim. By August any time I heard the phrase "The Twins Way" I revisited my breakfast. I'm of the belief that baseball has passed the Twins (re - Gardy) by. The Twins are in need of a paradigm shift if they want to be relevant again, and although 4 games is a very small sample size, it sure looks to me like they're picking up right where they left off.

Seth Stohs
04-10-2012, 12:08 PM
Jack, I would suggest taking a look at the definitions of the 1 to 10 range... the point isn't that 10 is better than 1. It's just a range of the type of fan that people are.

I would say I'm probably an 8 or so. Most of the time, I can understand what the thought process is even if I don't always agree with it.

rk83071
04-10-2012, 12:25 PM
I consider myself a bit of a homer when it comes to the Twins. I feel that they figured something out long before any of the other sports organizations in this town did. In the instant media now society that we live in and the kind of money families have to spend the Twins have always had a good reputation of being a highly respectable organization that knows how to act in the community in which it is supported by. Like every sports organization on the planet they all have their ups and downs but that’s how business and life in general cycles. Minnesotans in my view point tend to be somewhat of fair weather sports fans, I myself am loyal. I still have pennant hanging in my office from my very first Twins game back in 1977. I will always have the Twins as #1 on my list through thick or thin and that’s ok with me. If you compare the Twins with all the negative drama and chaos that has been created by other sports organizations in this town who are competing for the same family dollar it is not even close. Yeah so the Twins are going to have a few not so great years but in my mind I know that the quality of the individual the Twins are going to have represent them and my community is always going to be worth my hard earned dollar. I have never once felt uncomfortable taking my family to a ball game because of the atmosphere the Twins have created. I have to think long and hard about some of the other sports venues. Also one other tidbit, even though it has been a long while they are still the only major sports franchise to have won any sort of major title in this town. Whatever happened to loyalty? Go Twins.

LimestoneBaggy
04-10-2012, 12:33 PM
I'm a 8.

I was very upset (to put it mildly) about the Capps trade, but in 2010, it did what it was supposed to (in 2010). See also: Herrmann, Rams (and insert a good-defense catcher here). I can understand the thought process to "win right now" in 2010. At this point, I don't understand bringing Capps back, but we'll see what happens (his current ERA is perfect; so to follow the recent trend, the pick up is doing great.....not going to mention long fly balls). I didn't like the Diamond for Bullock trade, but Bullock didn't look that great last year, and Diamond is capable of spot starting (which has value). I really wish I had an insiders perspective on how coaching and Target Field affect our current roster.

My point in all of this (and I think Seth's as well), is fandom is a spectrum without black and white book ends. Feel free to fall wherever you fall. Let's debate everything; if you want to throw the team, management, and everything else under the bus at this point, it's something to discuss (I'm too much of a homer/small sample means nothing/easy to judge in hindsight guy). But I beg of you, don't let TD go the route of other blogs/media/etc. Personal attacks, name calling, and animosity are better left for those who can't have intelligent discussion with individuals throughout the spectrum (ahem....our politicians).

Oh yeah, and Chris Parmalee isn't hitting well, yet.

WYTwinsFan
04-10-2012, 12:36 PM
I'm most definitely a 10. I always assume that if a move doesn't make sense to me, I don't have all the information. I'm not in the clubhouse or Terry Ryan's or Dave St. Peter's offices so I don't really know all the facts or inner workings. I assume that they make the best decisions with the information they have.

Also, I'm a Twins fan because I love the Twins Way. Hustle, pitching to contact, playing the game the right way and everything else that means!

twinsnorth49
04-10-2012, 12:54 PM
I'd say I'm an 8, a complete homer actually, sure I disagree with some things they do and at times they drive me bonkers but they're my team and I'd rather root for them than tear them down. Second guessing is too easy when you're sitting on the armchair recliner, discussion is fun but I stop short of pretending I'm qualified to run a major league baseball team. I' also not one for wishing people to lose their jobs, sure it happens but I would never hope it would happen to someone.

The Twins have given us tons of great baseball to cheer about and plenty of bad baseball to cry about........it's the Twins way!!!

savvyspy
04-10-2012, 01:06 PM
I'd probably be a 7 or so if the front office would just admit they have a major rebuild ahead of them and stop signing these worthless patchwork guys that offer no future (here's to you Jason Marquis and Jamie Carroll). This team would have been better off letting all their free agents go (including the indefensable Matt Capps) and stocking up on picks. This is a 65-70 win team WITH Mauer and Morneau healthy. The problem is MN GMs don't get you need to get really bad to ever get really good. This Twins team is a teardown project. Almost anyone should be on the block. I'd rather build around the future guys (Dozier, Parmalee, Benson, Revere, etc) than watch Willingham play left field like he's trying to dodge hand grenades. I don't care if they win 72 games instead of 62. Both are total failure in my book. If the 62 loss team leads to shaving a year off rebuilding then that's was the team should do. Instead the Twins try to have it both ways. Its embarassing. As a result I'm more of a 4. And as for the "where's loyalty for the only team to win a title?" BS. It was 20 years ago turn the page. You want a dose of where this team ranks right now, they just had an opening day ceremony for a 10 YEAR OLD DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP. Good God.

twinsnorth49
04-10-2012, 01:14 PM
Its embarassing. As a result I'm more of a 4. And as for the "where's loyalty for the only team to win a title?" BS. It was 20 years ago turn the page. You want a dose of where this team ranks right now, they just had an opening day ceremony for a 10 YEAR OLD DIVISION CHAMPIONSHIP. Good God.

I respectfully suggest you become a Chicago White Sox fan, keep on keeping on.

luckylager
04-10-2012, 01:14 PM
I would say that I am an 8 on the Twins fan scale (as well as the attractiveness scale). I rarely miss a game, though I admit missing quite a few towards the end of last season. I've had 20 game packages the last two seasons, but gave them up this season for a variety of reasons including my wife being out of work for the last two years and scheduling conflicts with my son's baseball season. I am not always in lock-step with moves made by the Twins front office (why resign Capps?), however I do realize that there are smarter baseball minds than mine at work there. I believe that the Twins rolled the dice and blew their wad on Mauer (in hindsight a mistake, but imagine the uproar had they let him go). Unless he steps up and delivers, the Twins are going to be mediocre at best and will be handcuffed for the next few years until the farm system can provide some cheap talent. During that period I will take what we get and hope for the best. Ranting and raving and making up nasty names for management and players is stupid and childish; also a waste of time. Relax and see what happens or find something more enjoyable to occupy your time.

MWLFan
04-10-2012, 01:15 PM
I guess I fall into the patient logical view catagory, but I wouldn't say that I give the benefit of the doubt without some basis for that. It is like a Bank Account, the Twins deposited a lot of equity with me since 2002. That is ten years of good baseball with some great moves. Did they make some withdrawls, sure. Last year dropped that account quite a bit and it is not at the level it was 2 years ago. But I look at the account and feel that they have a lot still in there and the manager of that account was Terry Ryan for most of the period. The trust and goodwill sure is not where it was in the 1970's or early 1980's when they probably had as much relevance to me as Greece has credit. The Twins were a complete after thought during most of my life and the last 10 years has been the most consistent and successful period of Twins baseball since I turn 10 years old in 1971. Besides 1961 to 1970 it would be hard to see how this leadership group could be unfavorably compared to any other group in Twins history. That all being said the clock is ticking and we need to see some progress and a plan that is coming together or that goodwill will be depleted, for me that is probably 2 to 3 years of moderate losing. (Another year like last one will move that needle quicker.)

Cody Christie
04-10-2012, 02:03 PM
I stressed out a lot more about the team last year than I have so far this year. My wife, Mrs. NoDak Twins Fan, has been wondering how I have been so calm through the first handful of games with the team playing so bad. I don't know if I got numb to losing in 2011 or if I am trying to give this team the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the start of a new season. There was plenty of turnover in the roster and I am much more willing to watch things unfold this year as the team tries to gel together.

I still question somethings with the team but I trust that the best will still come in the end. On the scale talked about in the post, I would give myself an 8. Ask me later in the season and I might change my mind.

PeanutsFromHeaven
04-10-2012, 02:05 PM
Using the Seth Strohs Barometer of Front Office Fandom (Patent Pending, All Rights Reserved) I'd put myself about an 9 publicly, and a 5 privately. I also liked this quote:


...I realized that there's nothing -- aside from complaining for a day or two on my blog -- that I can do about it, besides not going to games. And I like baseball too much to make that kind of a protest.

To be sure I scratch my head and shudder a little bit inside when I see big Hot Stove News like "Twins mulling 2 million offer to FILL-IN-THE-BLANK-OVER-THE-HILL-INFIELDER", but ultimately, what does my feeling or saying that do? I spent one season working with a minor league club, which was plenty of time to realize that the baseball business people are going to do what the baseball business people are going to do. No amount of stomping your feet, tearing your hear or swearing about things will change that. So, why not put on a happy face and enjoy the game for what it is?

Like TFFA I like baseball (especially Twins baseball) too much to boycott it, so I'll shudder on the inside, smile on the outside and enjoy every day until the cold reality of November comes around again.

kirbyelway
04-10-2012, 02:18 PM
I was a diehard Twins fan in 1987, 91 and last year. I love it when they win and I hate it when they lose. I think the best way to describe it is a 162 game mood swing.

MileHighTwinsFan
04-10-2012, 02:31 PM
At least I can see the method to the madness now, whereas under Bill Smith there seemed to be more of a knee-jerk, aggressiveness to his decisions that were focused on winning now and not so focused on the future. I think everyone would agree that we were pleased on some level with his efforts - trading for Rauch and Fuentes to strengthen the bullpen as well as getting Capps to close as a final piece of the puzzle. However, I think the Twins formula, as represented by Terry Ryan, has been largely successful. As a result, I am willing to give him time to see what happens.

striker_86
04-10-2012, 02:35 PM
Good post, Seth. I'm about a 7.5 on the fan scale. Certain moves (like the Capps for Ramos example) confuse or annoy me right off the bat, but I know enough to know that, despite what we all complain about concerning Bill Smith and Terry Ryan, the people working in MLB front offices generally have good baseball minds. And I also know that it's an exercise in futility to complain about that trade 150 times on the Star Tribune, Pioneer Press amd TwinsDaily sites.

And there's only so much negativity I can take. If the Twins stink this year, I'm sure I'll write about that on my blog to an extent, but I'll also focus more attention on the Rock Cats and the other teams that might post winning seasons.

Im probably in the same boat. I always let things play out and try to look at the positive side of a trade or free agent signing no matter how much of a head scratcher it can be. Id rather be the guy who says we are going to make the playoffs, and then we end up making them. Rather than the guy who says we are going to miss the playoffs and we end of missing them. They probably wont make the playoffs this year, but its a lot more fun to hope they will make a run!

twinkiesfan11
04-10-2012, 03:10 PM
Thanks for the post Seth!

I consider myself to be about a 7 or 8 fan this year, down from a 9+ prior to last year. I guess my wavering fanhood stems from my concern that maybe the Twins front office has failed to notice their cheese may have moved. The way they collapsed last year really got me wondering if "the Twins way" really works anymore. It's just been so long since they've put a team on the field that lives up to those standards. I really hope they prove me wrong and I do genuinely believe that they're capable of doing so. I don't expect much out of the big league team this summer, they've been pretty hard to watch so far, but I'll keep watching and hoping. I'll stay glued to the minor league box scores everyday. I'll attend as many games in person as I can - especially now that I can get Surly beer! No matter how frustrated I get I will always support this team.

sln477
04-10-2012, 03:44 PM
I am a 10+++, but not based on the scale description of Seth. My love of baseball, with the Twins being #1, knows no bounds when it comes to my soul. I am like most fans when it comes to opinions about the state of "our" team. I become disappointed, disillusioned, & sad with disappointing results; I become giddy, euphoric, & feel blessed with positive results. The bottom line with me is the fact that any day baseball is played is a joyous one, not just for the Twins, but all of baseball in general. How can we not marvel at a no hitter, home runs, the perfectly executed bunts & double plays, & the myriad of strategy & nuances of the game. Baseball is bliss & as fans of the Twins/game, we should count our blessings of the wonderful world that is baseball. GO TWINS!!!

PopRiveter
04-10-2012, 03:47 PM
I don't feel entitled to manage a team. I don't feel entitled to get the players I want. That restrains me from a lot of negativity. As a fan, I recognize I am an observer. I can be disappointed in my team, but I gotta love 'em. If they "jump the shark" (ala vikings acquiring Favre) I'll stop being a fan. So far, the worst things they've done are pretty bearable. I can cheer for just about any Twins player of the last 20 years. I can also rip on them, but my harshest tone is good-natured. I guess that makes me a ten. My intensity, however, isn't a ten. When they are playing poorly, I'll take my kids to the park or go fishing. I'll give them my attention again soon enough.

SteadyDietOfCheese
04-10-2012, 03:54 PM
Honestly, I can go between 1 and 10 in a single day, maybe even during a single game. Maybe even during one at bat. I guess "mercurial" would be the best word. I prefer highly emotional.

When I watch any game, the Twins are simultaneously the greatest team to ever play baseball and lousy bums. My objectivity is shot.

For me, their can be no greater testament of love than this chaotic insanity. Go Twins!

My long lost brother ...

bdhenders
04-10-2012, 05:07 PM
I am the biggest twins fan there is but I also have a firm grasp on REALITY. I never expected this team to be better than bottom 3 in the whole MLB this year but that doesnt make me any less of a fan.

I wish more of the media had a better sense of reality instead of cheerleading and giving uneducated fans false hope.

I'll take that bet! The Twins will be much better than bottom 3...no lower than 8th from last;-) They were only 2nd worst last year and that horrible mix of injuries and the parade of minor league players playing significant roles that followed is highly unlikely to happen again. I do agree that the media tends to paint the team in a positive light, but the beginning of the year is the time for that optimism. Let us be hopeful until the true reality sets in, wether that be good or bad. At least we can feel good for a while, even if it turns out the team does poorly. We will have enough time to complain about that later on.

On the scale, I'm an 8 and trending higher. I agree with a most of the moves they make and I am starting to realize more and more that they have more information than we do about the makeup and work ethic of their players, so we have to give them the benefit of the doubt. A prime example is them not re-signing Liriano to a long-term contract and then him showing up without having done any offseason conditioning last year. This lead to shoulder stiffness and a horrible year. If players show a lack of work ethic, then it makes sense to cut ties with them (or force them to go to winter ball...which has been my argument about Frankie all along!...know your personnel guys). I think he'll have a good year this year because he was forced to do some work. There's probably a lot more of that personality evaluation going on with the players than we will ever know, so I tend to give the front office the benefit of the doubt.

Jack Torse
04-10-2012, 05:28 PM
I'm about a 6 but that's probably because I'm flabbergasted how they have absolutely ignored the bullpen for 2 consecutive off seasons. They refuse to spend money on MLB verteran relievers with decent track records. I'm not talking overspending on Papelbon or Benoit, just an MLB contract at the going rate for a decent MLB reliever. The guy from Philly who never pitched an inning is the only guy I can even rememeber them bringing in as a free agent gaurenteed contract. It was nice to see Perkins get signed and for all the world it looks very smart but that's a pile of money for a guy who has put together only 4 solid months in the majors.

whydidnt
04-10-2012, 05:46 PM
I have to say this is a very relevant question. It gets more and more frustrating to participate in some of the threads on this site as they seem to be increasingly populated by people who have no desire other than to; A) rip the Twins no matter what, or B) cheer-lead for the Twins and their decisions no matter what. I get that many are frustrated by recent results, I am too, but the Twins have brought a lot of fun and enjoyment to most of us, they must do something right. If everything is so awful, why do you want to waste your time on discussing it? On the other hand, if you think that every decision ever made by the Twins was correct and they are above criticism, then why waste your breath entering a discussion about them, just go enjoy the games, what's there for you to discuss? Seriously, when did we, as society, grow into such a bunch of no-thinking dunderheads that have predetermined that every issue must be black or white, with no consideration of gray? Is this something being taught in schools today?

Admittedly, I probably tend to fall towards the negative side, though I don't consider my self pessimistic, and few people look forward to opening day more than I do. I consider my self a skeptic, though and believe it's worthwhile to ask questions that might not always have an answer.

Doc Freiermuth
04-10-2012, 05:46 PM
Seth you have touched on something I have been ruminating about this season given the less than auspicious showing of our lads. What kind of a fan am I or am I even a fan? As disgusted as I have been with the the moves the team has made, the "money ball" analysis I read and the state of the "business of baseball" I question what it is that brings me back each year. Then I started to think, it's not so much that I am a fan or a patron or a follower of the Twins, it's that the team and baseball is just part of my soul. I think back to how the Twins have been a part of my life.

From my earliest memories of sitting in the boat fishing with my grandpa listening to Halsey Hall and Herb Carneal on the transistor radio to my first summer college job on the night shift listening to Lymon Bostock beating the Angels in the 9th to being at the store buying a video camera to film the arrival of our adopted daughter and stopping to watch the celebration in Texas when they won the division (and later bringing that 6 month old baby girl to a cold St. Paul street to watch the World Series Victory parade to teaching my daughter and son to emulate Bob Casey's call Kirrrrrrrrbyyyyyyy Puuuuuuckeeeetttttt to hearing some of the last words of my dad in the hospital through his oxygen mask say "Morneau's up" I have concluded the Twins are just a part of me.

I don't know if I can rate myself a 1 or a 10, and I don't know if it matters. All I can say is that even after yesterday's home opener debacle, it just came to me to say to my son "Hey Mike, you want to go to a ball game on your birthday Friday, just you and me?" And you know what? He said "sure Dad". In thinking about this topic, the scene from Field of Dreams keeps popping into my head, that maybe it has nothing to do with being a 1 or a 10 "fan" it's that baseball and our Twins are just a part of you...

"Ray, people will come Ray. They'll come to Iowa for reasons they can't even fathom. They'll turn up your driveway not knowing for sure why they're doing it. They'll arrive at your door as innocent as children, longing for the past. Of course, we won't mind if you look around, you'll say. It's only $20 per person. They'll pass over the money without even thinking about it: for it is money they have and peace they lack. And they'll walk out to the bleachers; sit in shirtsleeves on a perfect afternoon. They'll find they have reserved seats somewhere along one of the baselines, where they sat when they were children and cheered their heroes. And they'll watch the game and it'll be as if they dipped themselves in magic waters. The memories will be so thick they'll have to brush them away from their faces. People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come."

lilbiscuit
04-10-2012, 07:01 PM
Yeah. Well, it's one thing to lose 4 games. It's quite another thing to be totally outplayed and outclassed.

JB_Iowa
04-10-2012, 07:41 PM
I'd put myself at about a 5. I've become tremendously cynical about the front office the last few years. And it wasn't all Bill Smith. The Twins' moves make more sense to me when I remind myself that the Club President is someone from a marketing background.

I told myself this winter that I would try to stay away from the expectations game and just enjoy the games as they are played. But I find myself watching a lot more baseball on channels other than FSN. (And I've been a Twins fan since the 1965 season. I've endured the ups and the downs but I have a very hard time getting past the "good old boys club" stagnancy of this team's management.)

I'd guess most of the people posting here are 9s or 10s (or higher) on the pure fanaticism scale. My guess is that the interest is waning a lot more quickly among casual fans.

one_eyed_jack
04-10-2012, 09:52 PM
I guess I'd put myself at a 6 or 7 on that scale. The Twins are my team, but I'm a baseball fan first and a Twins fan second.

There seem to be a lot more people on the extreme ends than in the middle. It's either blind cheerleading or knee-jerk negatvisim about absolutely everything. I tend to be a little more rational about it.

But I'll tell you this - I'd much rather watch a game with a bunch of 10's than a bunch of 1's.

It's baseball, people, it's supposed to be fun. You can get into it, and even be passionate about it, but at the end of the day, it's a harmless diversion. The experience of a baseball game isn't all about whether your team wins. Sometimes the home team wins, sometimes they don't. Sometimes you get a close, flawlessly played game that's decided in extra innings, sometimes it's a laugher that's over by the third inning. Sometimes you get an eventful game filled with suicide squeezes, double steals, 7-man infields, grand slams and crashing-into-the-wall catches. Sometimes it's an unremarkable bunch of routine plays.

But it's more than that. It's the pleasure of sitting outside enjoying the sights, sounds, tastes and smells of a major league game on a perfect summer evening. It's the look of unbridled elation on the face of a kid who just had a foul ball bounce into his hands. It's the sweetness of seeing a couple of octogenarians decked out in Twins gear holding up a "Circle Me Bert" sign that announces they're celebrating their 50th wedding anniversary.

And I would much rather experience all that surrounded by a bunch of people shouting "Go Twins" even though all realistic possibility of victory evaporated 3 innings ago than by a nattering nabob of negative ninnies moaning, groaning and muttering "I told you so" after every little Twins misstep. (Seriously, if you're one of those people, do the rest of us a favor and stay home.)

Neil
04-10-2012, 10:00 PM
Honestly, I can go between 1 and 10 in a single day, maybe even during a single game. Maybe even during one at bat. I guess "mercurial" would be the best word. I prefer highly emotional.

When I watch any game, the Twins are simultaneously the greatest team to ever play baseball and lousy bums. My objectivity is shot.

For me, their can be no greater testament of love than this chaotic insanity. Go Twins!

Well said, Mr Horrorpants, very well said indeed. I spend much of the season writhing on the couch, making my girlfriend uncomfortable and scaring the cats. True fanship, for me anyway, is a never ending emotional maelstrom.

USAFChief
04-10-2012, 10:51 PM
Each team has fans that are willing to be patient, think logically and give the benefit of the doubt to players and front office personnel whose jobs are much tougher than it looks on TV

I disagree with the premise that only those who always give the benefit of the doubt to players and front office personnel can be described as willing to be patient and able to "think logically."

dave_dw
04-11-2012, 07:46 AM
I'm a 3, but not because I'm a pessimist or irrationally angry at losses & poor performance, I simply think some of the Twins philosophies are outdated. If I were a Tampa Bay Rays fan, I'd be a 7 or 8 because I think they have a smarter front office and manager.

SoDakTwinsFan5
04-11-2012, 10:08 AM
I would say it depends. Probably about a 5 most of the time. I think like many fans if I like the decision I don't get angry but if I don't like it or they don't make many decisions I get angry. Although I will admit this year I am probably a 2 because of how horrendus last season was and the fact I am a huge Cuddyer, Kubel and Nathan fan they were the only 3 people on this team I didn't want to see leave and yet we let them go.

SoDakTwinsFan5
04-11-2012, 10:13 AM
I'm a 3, but not because I'm a pessimist or irrationally angry at losses & poor performance, I simply think some of the Twins philosophies are outdated. If I were a Tampa Bay Rays fan, I'd be a 7 or 8 because I think they have a smarter front office and manager.

I completely agree dave_dw, I think there philosophies are severely outdated. I don't think the Moneyball type of game the Athletics and Twins play works. I don't think the Rays play Moneyball, if you want to make a new name to there philosophy they play "Draftball" where if someone leaves through free agency they have another person right there to replace him. To some extent the Twins had that but when most people leave we were left waiting for a couple years or more to get a replacement.

BD57
04-11-2012, 06:38 PM
Probably a 7 for Gardy, a solid "5" for the front office (I have more faith in Ryan than Smith ... but ...) and a solid 2.5 for the medical staff.

There are things that drive me nuts - mostly, that the organization is so enamored with "pitch to contact" that it seems they think missing bats is a bad thing. And the medical staff needs to get straightened out .... seems like every time there's an injury, we find out a few weeks later that it's far worse than anyone imagined.