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Parker Hageman
06-25-2013, 04:21 PM
The return of pitching prospect Alex Meyer, the bounty received in the Denard Span trade this past offseason, is still an unknown.According to Twins assistant GM Rob Antony, Meyer will likely return to the mound in the "next week or two" tweets the Pioneer Press's Mike Berardino (https://twitter.com/MikeBerardino/status/349631619952410624).

Meyer, who had a 3-3 record with a 3.69 ERA and a decent 71-to-27 strikeout-to-walk ratio over 61 innings in New Britain, has not thrown a pitch since June 1. The Twins had Meyer undergo a precautionary MRI (http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Alex_Meyers_MRI_clean_I_dont_think_anybody_thought _it_was_serious061113) on his shoulder which reveal nothing of significance.

The Twins are understandably overcautious with this top pitching prospect. GM Terry Ryan said (http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_23488731/minnesota-twins-alex-meyer-taking-it-slow) that they will be "very conservative" in their approach to bringing Meyer back around to avoid any setbacks in his development. At the same time, with just over two months remaining in the Eastern League season, the Twins would like to get Meyer above the 129 inning-mark he threw a year ago.

diehardtwinsfan
06-25-2013, 06:16 PM
I was just wondering about that... Glad to know it's caution and not setbacks...

PseudoSABR
06-25-2013, 06:36 PM
A one or two week return seems far better than unknown to me.

clutterheart
06-25-2013, 07:16 PM
Ambiguity + Twins Medical Staff = Disaster

I am worried

Vervehound
06-26-2013, 07:23 AM
Ambiguity + Twins Medical Staff = Disaster

I am worried

+1. the lack of anything showing up on the mri would be more comforting if we knew for sure that our medical staff knew how to read one.

Badsmerf
06-26-2013, 07:29 AM
That sounds good to me. He's only missed 3 weeks yet only has 61 IP? He has only gone over 6 innings twice in 11 starts. Just seems crazy to me. A month to let his shoulder heal a little should be alright, I'd be sending that MRI to different places and get some different opinions on it though.

mike wants wins
06-26-2013, 09:10 AM
This is why you can never have too many pitchers in your org......

gunnarthor
06-26-2013, 10:33 AM
If he comes back healthy and still needs innings, I imagine they'll send him to the AFL. I'm ok with a cautious approach in bringing him back.

Joe
07-11-2013, 04:47 PM
This is getting kind of scary now huh?

drjim
07-11-2013, 05:05 PM
This is getting kind of scary now huh?

No need to worry, he is the very able hands of the Twins medical staff.

Badsmerf
07-11-2013, 08:48 PM
This is getting kind of scary now huh?
Scary? He is still a few months from learning he actually needs surgery. No need to be scared yet; we are still in the rest + rehab phase.

Jeremy Nygaard
07-11-2013, 11:24 PM
I still think Meyer will be fine (maybe I'm overly optimistic), but no matter how cautious you are (look at Dylan Bundy and the Orioles), there's very little you can do to ensure the health of young pitchers.

howieramone
07-12-2013, 12:16 AM
I still think Meyer will be fine (maybe I'm overly optimistic), but no matter how cautious you are (look at Dylan Bundy and the Orioles), there's very little you can do to ensure the health of young pitchers.So true. I didn't want Stewart because I thought it was too high to take a pitcher. Ryan likes pitchers with 1-2+ years of pro experience and I think that may help, but no one is immune.

Badsmerf
07-12-2013, 05:36 PM
So true. I didn't want Stewart because I thought it was too high to take a pitcher. Ryan likes pitchers with 1-2+ years of pro experience and I think that may help, but no one is immune.
Too high? Where do you think elite pitchers come from? College is harder on arms than professional baseball by far. Plus, you get to clean up mechanics before they begin to do serious damage.

howieramone
07-12-2013, 06:16 PM
Too high? Where do you think elite pitchers come from? College is harder on arms than professional baseball by far. Plus, you get to clean up mechanics before they begin to do serious damage.

IMHO I would not take a pitcher with a top five pick. I believe the Twins will have only 3 shots for the gold, and I would be more comfortable taking position players. Once again, this is only my opinion. By the way, I wanted the college catcher over Buxton, so I try to keep a low profile on draft matters.

stringer bell
07-12-2013, 07:27 PM
OK, here's my take. While pitching is infinitely riskier than picking position players, the payoff for getting an ace (Verlander, Strassberg, Clemens) is worth the risk. The Twins look like they will have an excellent crop of young positions players in the next 2-3 years. If they don't get much improved pitching, they still are a long way from contending.

jokin
07-12-2013, 08:02 PM
OK, here's my take. While pitching is infinitely riskier than picking position players, the payoff for getting an ace (Verlander, Strassberg, Clemens) is worth the risk. The Twins look like they will have an excellent crop of young positions players in the next 2-3 years. If they don't get much improved pitching, they still are a long way from contending.

This. The position players coming through the system make this as exciting a time in expectation of the "turn" as 2000-02 and 1984-86. But even if the Twins get above median performance from 100% of their position players (including filling the gaping hole at SS), pitching is still 70% of the game. So until the starting pitching staff looks more like the Pirates, Tigers, Braves, hec, even the Marlins, who are ranked 11th overall in SP ERA, there is no reason to throw around any guarantees that "the turn" (ie, assured contention status) is right around the corner. To their credit, the Twins have recognized this glaring hole in the long-term plan, now they need to redouble their efforts.

kab21
07-12-2013, 08:46 PM
I think people need to realize that TJ is a bump in the road and not a death sentence.

howieramone
07-12-2013, 09:02 PM
I think people need to realize that TJ is a bump in the road and not a death sentence.I would say the truth is somewhere in the middle.

diehardtwinsfan
07-12-2013, 09:28 PM
Meyer had shoulder problems, TJ is not the issue here...

That said, I vaguely remember reading somewhere that he's throwing again.

MichiganTwins
07-12-2013, 09:29 PM
I have also heard he was on a throwing program.

drjim
07-12-2013, 09:41 PM
I have also heard he was on a throwing program.

Confirmed on Twitter. I hope they are just being extra cautious.

jokin
07-13-2013, 03:24 AM
Confirmed on Twitter. I hope they are just being extra cautious.

On this one, double-secret, extra-cautious works for me.

TheLeviathan
07-13-2013, 09:51 AM
I have also heard he was on a throwing program.

Lets hope, we've had enough of these things mismanaged to have reason to be worried. A major surgery to Meyer may effect our timeline to contend more than people think.

howieramone
07-13-2013, 10:13 AM
Lets hope, we've had enough of these things mismanaged to have reason to be worried. A major surgery to Meyer may effect our timeline to contend more than people think.The parade won't stop due to one starting pitching prospect. Effecting our timeline is reserved for Buxton and Sano.

nicksaviking
07-13-2013, 10:17 AM
On this one, double-secret, extra-cautious works for me.

Yeah, I really want to make a joke about the Twins and being cautious, but I can't do it here. At least not unless we later hear his sore shoulder was due to getting a new tattoo.

nicksaviking
07-13-2013, 10:19 AM
The parade won't stop due to one starting pitching prospect. Effecting our timeline is reserved for Buxton and Sano.

You don't need ace quality pitchers to win the WS?

TheLeviathan
07-13-2013, 11:01 AM
The parade won't stop due to one starting pitching prospect. Effecting our timeline is reserved for Buxton and Sano.

I would say our highest ranked, highest level pitching prospect is going to be critical. Mostly because he is just about the only pitcher likely to impact next year.

howieramone
07-13-2013, 11:30 AM
I would say our highest ranked, highest level pitching prospect is going to be critical. Mostly because he is just about the only pitcher likely to impact next year.To get to where we want to go, we need 10-12 top starting pitching prospects. We have somewhere around 7 or 8. The Twins have a tremendous margin for error having Buxton and Sano. What happens to Meyer is an inconvenience, nothing more.

jokin
07-13-2013, 11:39 AM
To get to where we want to go, we need 10-12 top starting pitching prospects. We have somewhere around 7 or 8. The Twins have a tremendous margin for error having Buxton and Sano. What happens to Meyer is an inconvenience, nothing more.

Terry Ryan said to get true quality pitching prospects at a reasonable rate of return, you have to reach down to "A" level minor league ball, but then it's still pretty costly when you pull the trigger. OK, since you say we only need 3-5 more "top starting pitching prospects" to overcome any of these "nothing more" than "inconveniences", where are the 3-5 more Denard Span's to get those deals done?

TheLeviathan
07-13-2013, 11:42 AM
To get to where we want to go, we need 10-12 top starting pitching prospects. We have somewhere around 7 or 8. The Twins have a tremendous margin for error having Buxton and Sano. What happens to Meyer is an inconvenience, nothing more.

MEyer is one of the few in-house options this team has to bolster its rotation with upper level talent. if this injury becomes serious it is a major, major problem for this teams timetable. Meyer's talent as a pitcher is critical for this team.

diehardtwinsfan
07-13-2013, 04:29 PM
To get to where we want to go, we need 10-12 top starting pitching prospects. We have somewhere around 7 or 8. The Twins have a tremendous margin for error having Buxton and Sano. What happens to Meyer is an inconvenience, nothing more.

I have to disagree here. We need Meyer and May to be healthy AND effective to turn this around. This is not a beer league softball league where you can outslug your opponents every day and win. A pitcher is the most important element of any baseball game. We NEED Meyer to be healthy. Period. I have to admit that it's nice to look at what we have in Meyer, May, Darnell, and Gibson and see four guys that could all be 3 or better type players, but reality says that some won't succeed, and if some get hurt on top of that, we are back to the DeVries, Walters, and Correias.

TheLeviathan
07-13-2013, 04:34 PM
I think the best way to say it is that Buxton and Sano are the most exciting prospects, but Meyer may be the most important. At least he is right now until Berrios, or Stewart, or even May show they are closer to ML ready.

MichiganTwins
07-15-2013, 09:36 AM
From Pioneer Press, "Right-handed pitching prospect Alex Meyer, sidelined since June 1 with a sore shoulder, is scheduled to start a throwing program July 16 and could resume pitching for Double-A New Britain in early August, Antony said."

Yossarian
07-15-2013, 10:26 AM
Surgeon, sharpen thy knife....

jharaldson
07-18-2013, 04:55 PM
Dave St. Peter said something on Talking Twins on AM1500 that bugged me about this:


The plan right now is to throw in the next couple of days and hopefully be back in games on Aug 1. A couple of MRI's that it is not structural which is good. It goes down to young pitcher needing to understand maintenance on his arm which is not uncommon to power pitchers.

Inside Twins with Phil Mackey - Audio - 1500 ESPN - Twin Citie (http://www.1500espn.com/audio/aID4040)

How did he pitch in 25 games last year with 129 innings and not have that come up last year with the Nationals but with half of that workload he is suddenly on the shelf for 2 months?

nicksaviking
07-18-2013, 05:40 PM
Yeah I too don't like the last sentance of that quote, "It goes down to young pitcher needing to understand maintenance on his arm which is not uncommon to power pitchers."

In all seriousness, do the Twins, their training staff and coaches understand the mainenance for the arm of a young power pitcher? They have very little experience with them, particularly when a starter is concerned.

This makes it seem like Meyer was doing (or not doing) something against the Twins wishes.

Oxtung
07-18-2013, 07:35 PM
Yeah I too don't like the last sentance of that quote, "It goes down to young pitcher needing to understand maintenance on his arm which is not uncommon to power pitchers."

In all seriousness, do the Twins, their training staff and coaches understand the mainenance for the arm of a young power pitcher? They have very little experience with them, particularly when a starter is concerned.

This makes it seem like Meyer was doing (or not doing) something against the Twins wishes.

That is a very intriguing question. For those prospect hounds out there, how many starting power pitcher prospects have their been in the last 5 years or so in our minor league system?