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Parker Hageman
04-06-2012, 10:24 AM
The Twins announced their lineup yesterday (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/146282735.html).


1. Denard Span, CF
2. Jamey Carroll, SS
3. Joe Mauer, C
4. Justin Morneau, DH
5. Josh Willingham, LF
6. Ryan Doumit, RF
7. Danny Valencia, 3B
8. Chris Parmelee, 1B
9. Alexi Casilla, 2B
Starting pitcher: RH Carl Pavano





While the O's will trot this out (https://twitter.com/#!/Orioles/status/188276732514664454):


#OpeningDay (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23OpeningDay) lineup vs MIN: Reimold LF, Hardy SS, Markakis RF, Jones CF, Wieters C, Betemit DH, Davis 1B, Andino 2B, Arrieta P

The Twins haven't seen much of Arrieta, with Alexi Casilla's five plate appearances being the most among Minnesota's hitters. Arrieta has a four-pitch arsenal - fastball, slider, curve and change - and had been very inconsistent against left-handed opponents, walking 14.6% of all lefties faced. This should bode well for the Twins port-siders.

By the way, stop by the "Pick 2 Cliq (http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?403-CONTEST-Pick-2-Cliq)" contest, select which Twins hitter you think will perform the best today and win $50 in free liquor.

Gernzy
04-06-2012, 10:29 AM
It's like the first day of school. Excited and scared at the same time. What's going to happen? Granted it's only one game, but I remember how bad the opening game was last year and look what happened...

Seth Stohs
04-06-2012, 10:30 AM
Leaving work at noon... I haven't worked on the afternoon of Opening Day in my X years of being employed... Nothing better!

Parker Hageman
04-06-2012, 10:31 AM
This was the aftermath of last year's opening day:

540

SweetOne69
04-06-2012, 10:39 AM
Parker, you are missing Baltimore's 3B (Reynolds) who will be batting between Wieters and Betemit

Thrylos
04-06-2012, 10:41 AM
That's a priceless screencap Parker

Yoshii
04-06-2012, 10:55 AM
Hopefully there will be no nose picking today.

minn55441
04-06-2012, 11:18 AM
Unlike yesterday, I think we will see lots of runs scored today. Like the rest of the season, the question will be "can we score enough runs to overcome our inconsistant pitching"?

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 02:03 PM
Game Score picks? I've got the Twins winning 6-4

Shane Wahl
04-06-2012, 02:07 PM
Twins 9, Orioles 1

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 02:20 PM
Pavano the true athlete! Him and his huge hands...

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 02:26 PM
Is Pavano throwing all changeups, or is 83 his 2012 fastball?

DrJubal
04-06-2012, 02:27 PM
Meet the new Twins, same as the old Twins!

Yoshii
04-06-2012, 02:30 PM
Well maybe we'll only lose 98 games instead of 99 this year!!

Thrylos
04-06-2012, 02:33 PM
Is Pavano throwing all changeups, or is 83 his 2012 fastball?

His FB was that 86 that went to the stands

Nick Nelson
04-06-2012, 02:33 PM
Pavano's lack of velocity is... troubling. He's throwing 10 MPH slower than Arrieta.

Thrylos
04-06-2012, 02:38 PM
Went up to 87 with that last looking strike... I think last season he was 89ish so he is getting there.

Shane Wahl
04-06-2012, 02:39 PM
Twins 9, Orioles 1

Quickly ruined prediction.

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 02:47 PM
Went up to 87 with that last looking strike... I think last season he was 89ish so he is getting there.

You say that like it's a good thing.

DrJubal
04-06-2012, 02:49 PM
Carroll's had a couple of gems so far. Nice to see solid defense at the SS.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 02:51 PM
Carroll's had a couple of gems so far. Nice to see solid defense at the SS.

Little nervous how close that play ended up being considering how hard the ball was hit. Overall it has to be better than the crap we rolled out last year.

gunnarthor
04-06-2012, 02:56 PM
What's the on field delay?

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 02:58 PM
What's the on field delay?

Idiot on the field

twinsfan1127
04-06-2012, 03:01 PM
Offense would be nice...

chavez
04-06-2012, 03:05 PM
Startin' to get on em'

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 03:10 PM
Walks will haunt

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 03:26 PM
This game thread is every bit as exciting as the game itself.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 03:31 PM
This game thread is every bit as exciting as the game itself.

I agree. Was hoping this thread would be a legitimate alternative to KFANs crap flinging threads.

Nick Nelson
04-06-2012, 03:33 PM
This game thread is every bit as exciting as the game itself.
What is there to say? Pavano somehow getting by while tossing underhand and Twins hitters repeatedly grounding out to the pitcher. One club is looking very unprepared for the start of the season.

chavez
04-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Joe Nathan looked pretty good closing the Rangers game out.

asmus_ndsu
04-06-2012, 03:33 PM
Just watched Nathan with his first dominant close for Texas and a tear came to my eye.... His stuff looked incredible

striker_86
04-06-2012, 03:36 PM
What is there to say? Pavano somehow getting by while tossing underhand and Twins hitters repeatedly grounding out to the pitcher. One club is looking very unprepared for the start of the season.


2 hits given up by Pavano but 3 runs...?

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 03:38 PM
2 hits given up by Pavano but 3 runs...?

Both of his walks have scored

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 03:38 PM
What is there to say? Pavano somehow getting by while tossing underhand and Twins hitters repeatedly grounding out to the pitcher. One club is looking very unprepared for the start of the season.

A little defensive, Nick?

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 03:42 PM
Great pitch, Carl. Even better catch, Ryan!

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 03:43 PM
Doumit looks incredibly uncomfortable going back on the ball. That was just terrible

chavez
04-06-2012, 03:43 PM
Poor outfield defense just came into play.......................

headcheese
04-06-2012, 03:44 PM
A little defensive, Nick?

not much good to say so far.... jamey carroll looks solid.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 03:45 PM
Single positive for the Twins so far....Carrolls defense has looked better than I expected (granted, very small sample size)

dabecka
04-06-2012, 03:46 PM
Offense looks pathetic and Doumit in right. How long will Gardy go before we see a Span-Revere-Willingham OF?

mike wants wins
04-06-2012, 03:46 PM
Can't miss bats, can't win games as a pitcher.....

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 03:46 PM
Haven't been impressed with Carroll's arm, but that was a legitmately major league catch. Very tough play.

chavez
04-06-2012, 03:47 PM
Nice play by Willingham - great throw!!

PopRiveter
04-06-2012, 03:48 PM
Kubel woulda caught that or at least blow out a knee trying! ...and Carroll is starting to win my heart. W'ham too!

chavez
04-06-2012, 03:48 PM
That was the first time I saw the "Great Hrbewski" I think I might skip dinner tonight.

Nick Nelson
04-06-2012, 03:50 PM
A little defensive, Nick?

Didn't mean to be. Just crabby with the course of the game thus far.

chavez
04-06-2012, 03:52 PM
2 cock shots in a row to Justin

scottyc35
04-06-2012, 03:57 PM
Nathan perfect inning w/ one K, 11 pitches, 7 for strikes. watch him rack up a 40+ save season while Capps continues to suck

JB_Iowa
04-06-2012, 03:59 PM
MLB has ruined "God Bless America" with overuse.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:00 PM
Expected this type of game out of Pavano, thought our offense could put up some runs though. At least the beer is cold, and the "working from home" thing is going alright.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:00 PM
Nathan perfect inning w/ one K, 11 pitches, 7 for strikes. watch him rack up a 40+ save season while Capps continues to suck

I hope Nathan does well, but I don't believe there was any chance he was coming back to the Twins.

Thrylos
04-06-2012, 04:02 PM
Ok. That Doumit (and Span btw) play was ugly, but Cuddyer and Kubel have done the same thing many times...

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:04 PM
Ok. That Doumit (and Span btw) play was ugly, but Cuddyer and Kubel have done the same thing many times...

Pretty tough for Span to expect the ball to carom of Doumit's glove the way it did. I agree Cuddy and Kubel would have likely had the same result.

Jerr
04-06-2012, 04:08 PM
Just got here, listening on the radio. Where's our bats????

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:08 PM
Just got here, listening on the radio. Where's our bats????

Fort Myers?

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-06-2012, 04:09 PM
Maybe the Twins hitters have better luck against the Baltimore bullpen...

chavez
04-06-2012, 04:09 PM
Pavano is keeping us close. I have no idea how he hasn't given up 10 runs this game - It doesn't look like he has anything today.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-06-2012, 04:12 PM
Credit should go to Carroll, Willingham and Parmalee's defense for keeping it to just 4 runs.

dabecka
04-06-2012, 04:13 PM
Great AB by Sean Burroughs. 1st pitch swinging.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:18 PM
Great AB by Sean Burroughs. 1st pitch swinging.

Eh it is what it is. I usually don't mind first pitch swinging against relief pitchers. Often times it is the most hittable pitch in an at bat, as the pitcher is trying to get ahead of the count early.

chavez
04-06-2012, 04:25 PM
You usually see one good pitch an AB - if it happens to be the first one you better be hackin' I've seen a some guys (Morneau, Parmelee come to mind) taking 2-0 cock shots. We need to be a little more agressive. It's not like we are drawing bunch of walks.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
04-06-2012, 04:34 PM
Duenslinger! Well, that's something encouraging.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:41 PM
Rally time!

chavez
04-06-2012, 04:41 PM
I'll take about 30 more of them Josh!!

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 04:51 PM
The season has started!! I'll take it. It may not be the Twins best season ever, but at least I get to watch Sportscenter highlights that have more than basketball dunks.

nicksaviking
04-06-2012, 04:54 PM
Good luck finding Twins/Orioles highlights on Sportscenter. If it isn't NY, Boston, LA or Miami, they just don't care. Pavano and Arrieta could have had dueling perfect games into the 10th and it still wouldn't lead Sportscenter if the Yankees played that day.

Seth Stohs
04-06-2012, 04:57 PM
Not to be lost, Carl Pavano was very Carl Pavano-ish start. Solid. Jake Arrieta was just unhittable..

Fanatic Jack
04-06-2012, 05:19 PM
Jake Arrieta was just unhittable!!!! I wonder if that will happen vs Rays, Yanks, Red Sox, or Angels?? The guy is #3 pitcher at best and as usual the Twins came in and were scared vs AL East team. Talk to me in 6 weeks when Arrieta is taken out of the rotation. How many times have we seen throughout the years the offense make a mediocre nobody look terrific.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 05:22 PM
Not to be lost, Carl Pavano was very Carl Pavano-ish start. Solid. Jake Arrieta was just unhittable..

4 Runs in 7 innings is solid? Granted, one of the runs should have been an out, but still.

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 05:23 PM
BTW...welcome Fanatic and Seth...nice to see a few more people here for a game thread.

Thrylos
04-06-2012, 05:24 PM
Not to be lost, Carl Pavano was very Carl Pavano-ish start. Solid.

Solid? 7 IP, 5H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1K, 95 pitches, 55 strikes (5.14 ERA). Fastball averaging 83-85 and occasional 86 and one 87. From your opening day starter. I'd say a pretty mediocre start, like usual for Pavano. Very Carl Pavano-ish start indeed. Solid not that much.

Duensing was solid, on the other hand :)

Intramural Legend
04-06-2012, 05:31 PM
Good luck finding Twins/Orioles highlights on Sportscenter. If it isn't NY, Boston, LA or Miami, they just don't care. Pavano and Arrieta could have had dueling perfect games into the 10th and it still wouldn't lead Sportscenter if the Yankees played that day.

True, but I'll take a routine ground out to Jeter glorification highlight over another crappy dunk

John Bonnes
04-06-2012, 05:43 PM
Not to be too pie-in-the-sky, but it was a close game and a couple of plays one way or the other decided this one. Two hits in the fifth inning that were tagged right at outfielders, that stretch play in the eighth that could have just as easily been called "safe," Doumit's delmonic play in right field. I don't think there are a lot of big truths that can be taken away from this one.

(And I'll admit - I feel a lot better about it than the crap show Opening Day game from last year versus the Jays....)

twinsnorth49
04-06-2012, 06:40 PM
Solid? 7 IP, 5H, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1K, 95 pitches, 55 strikes (5.14 ERA). Fastball averaging 83-85 and occasional 86 and one 87. From your opening day starter. I'd say a pretty mediocre start, like usual for Pavano. Very Carl Pavano-ish start indeed. Solid not that much.

Duensing was solid, on the other hand :)

I don't think 5 hits over 7 is all that bad, the home run was a mistake and made worse by the previous walk, he kept them in the game, made some good outs and took the game to the 8th, about what you'd expect. . If Doumit makes the catch that most decent outfielders make then it's conceivable it goes to extras.
Not sure why Carl is getting dumped on here, the offense didn't show up until it was too late, Pavano was neither very good nor very bad, his velocity will come up a bit in a short time, it was never all that good anyway.

I liked Duensing's peformance, Gray on the other hand......

Thrylos
04-06-2012, 06:54 PM
Not sure why Carl is getting dumped on here,..

7 IP 1K, all balls in play. Add a couple of walks (both scored) add a gopherball, add a slow FB and that's the problem. Not horrible, just mediocre. And yes that Doumit/Span play could had been made. On the other hand, Pavano could have gotten a K or 4.

USAFChief
04-06-2012, 07:07 PM
I might have missed a few, but I recall one swing and miss at a Pavano pitch on the day. He sat mid- to low-80's on his "heater," topping out at 87 I believe. This wasn't a even a good offensive team he faced today, and there were consistently good swings off him all day, from inning one. If Pavano were the Twins 5th starter, holding a spot while a nice prospect puts the finishing touches on at AAA until coming up in June, that would be one thing. Pavano was the Twins opening day starter. Think about that. That's a failure of the organization.

twinsnorth49
04-06-2012, 07:36 PM
7 IP 1K, all balls in play. Add a couple of walks (both scored) add a gopherball, add a slow FB and that's the problem. Not horrible, just mediocre. And yes that Doumit/Span play could had been made. On the other hand, Pavano could have gotten a K or 4.

All true, but my point is he wasn't any more responsible for the team losing than the guys who swing the bats, and I don't see many comments about the endless parade of rollers back to the mound and lazy fly balls that most of the guys served up.

Sure he could have used a few more K's but he didn't get raked all over the yard and found a way to get guys out. I will concede that the O's inability to take advantage had as much to do with it.

I predict the guys let it rip tomorrow and Sunday and we take the next two.

John Bonnes
04-06-2012, 09:05 PM
I'll agree with TWinsNorth49 - if we're going to point fingers, the majority should be pointed at a heavily left-handed lineup that could do absolutely nothing against a right-hander who sported a 5.05 ERA last year.

Billy Bremner
04-06-2012, 11:50 PM
How could the Twins lose today? Didn't Joe Benson have a good spring in Florida?

USAFChief
04-07-2012, 01:19 AM
Perhaps a game thread is the wrong place for this point, but I'll forge ahead anyway. While I agree the offense today was a problem, I believe the team took reasonable steps over the past half decade, and the past winter, to put a reasonable every day lineup on the field. They signed Mauer--which most of us would agree they should have done--it's now on Mauer to produce like a 3 hitter. They signed Morneau. They added some bats over the winter. They attempted to add to the middle infield, etc. I don't think that today was a good representation of what the offense will look like over 162 games. At least I hope not, given health, etc. But I can't say the same about the pitching. A philosophy that leads to Carl Pavano being the opening day starter, multiple times, is a flawed philosophy. Deeply flawed. Carl Pavano led the lead in hits allowed last season, and that's our #1 starter. I want some guys that can miss some bats. I want some pitchers that other teams fear. I want this organization to stop trading Billy Bullocks for Scott Diamonds. I want them to stop picking the Terry Doyles of the world when they have the #2 pick in the rule 5 draft.

Thrylos
04-07-2012, 08:32 AM
I'll agree with TWinsNorth49 - if we're going to point fingers, the majority should be pointed at a heavily left-handed lineup that could do absolutely nothing against a right-hander who sported a 5.05 ERA last year.

That comment was not about pointing fingers. It was as a response to Seth who said that "Pavano had a solid performance"... My point is that he did not.

Thrylos
04-07-2012, 08:35 AM
Perhaps a game thread is the wrong place for this point, but I'll forge ahead anyway. While I agree the offense today was a problem, I believe the team took reasonable steps over the past half decade, and the past winter, to put a reasonable every day lineup on the field. They signed Mauer--which most of us would agree they should have done--it's now on Mauer to produce like a 3 hitter. They signed Morneau. They added some bats over the winter. They attempted to add to the middle infield, etc. I don't think that today was a good representation of what the offense will look like over 162 games. At least I hope not, given health, etc. But I can't say the same about the pitching. A philosophy that leads to Carl Pavano being the opening day starter, multiple times, is a flawed philosophy. Deeply flawed. Carl Pavano led the lead in hits allowed last season, and that's our #1 starter. I want some guys that can miss some bats. I want some pitchers that other teams fear. I want this organization to stop trading Billy Bullocks for Scott Diamonds. I want them to stop picking the Terry Doyles of the world when they have the #2 pick in the rule 5 draft.

Agreed. But to stop doing that, this team has to a. hire new front office people from outside and b. get rid of all the existing FO and Field management staff (at least at the MLB level). This is something that they are not willing to do even after 99 loss season. The replacement of Smith by Ryan is like spilling food on your shirt and putting it on inside out to hide the fact...

Neinstein
04-07-2012, 09:58 AM
Agreed. But to stop doing that, this team has to a. hire new front office people from outside and b. get rid of all the existing FO and Field management staff (at least at the MLB level). This is something that they are not willing to do even after 99 loss season. The replacement of Smith by Ryan is like spilling food on your shirt and putting it on inside out to hide the fact...
I'm enjoying your "dirty laundry" reference. ...and it's Ryan wearing Smith's inside-out shirt.