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Seth Stohs
06-07-2013, 12:33 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1851-MLB-Draft-Day-2-Thread

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:45 AM
BA's best available:

Best Available After First Day Of MLB Draft - BaseballAmerica.com (http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/best-available-after-first-day/)

Christopher Crawford's best available:
1. Serrano (unsignable)
2. Denney
3. Conner Jones (unsignable)
4. Brentz
5. Andrew Mitchell
6. Garret Williams
7. Dustin Driver
8. Myles Smith
9. Will Crowe
10. McPherson

Keith Law's best available:
1.Serrano
2. Denney
3. Conner Jones
4. Andrew Mitchell
5. Wil Crowe
6. Boldt
7. Bentz
8. Williams
9. Cord Sandberg
10. Driver

I predicted Andrew Mitchell at #78 before the draft and I'm sticking to it. While I prefer Denney/Boldt, Mitchell fits with what they Twins did last year.

rickyhawaii
06-07-2013, 01:17 AM
i would imagine some team will take Denney before the Twins ,but i'm hoping for him. Boldt would also be great.

howieramone
06-07-2013, 05:19 AM
Good info. I just looked up Mitchell. Looks like a good get.

AM.
06-07-2013, 05:44 AM
Wasn't Denney considered as a possible top-15 pick?
I know nothing about these players, but having Boldt and Denney in the board with only three teams picking ahead of them...I'm guessing at least one of them will be there for the Twins taking.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 07:43 AM
I kind of hope they make a play for Serrano. I suppose if he's unsignable, that won't work. Their second round pick is a college guy, so I'm not sure what leverage he has. He may be Boras represnted, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as he's lacking the top tier talent that other Boras clients have. The Twins have about 700k that they can add to any pick. If they can get their first two to go a bit under slot, then they can still throw well over a million at him... That's my hope at least.

markos
06-07-2013, 07:48 AM
Their second round pick is a college guy, so I'm not sure what leverage he has. He may be Boras represnted, but that doesn't mean nearly as much as he's lacking the top tier talent that other Boras clients have.

I think Eades is a junior, so he will have a little leverage with the fact that he can go back to college next year.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 08:13 AM
Yeah I was looking at Mitchell last night too. Would be happy with him, Boldt or Denney.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 08:21 AM
4369

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 08:31 AM
How about Chandler Eden? On BA's best available list: RHP HS Yuba City (Calif.) HS 68 IP, 119 K's, 1.83 ERA.

mike wants wins
06-07-2013, 08:41 AM
I'd like some athletic middle infielders, and more pitching. I'd be shocked if a catcher does not come to the Twins in the next three picks. I don't see them taking tough signs here, as they will want more depth, not one or two more good guys. But that's just a guess based on 1 year of data with this new system, and 1 year is not a trend.

Seth Stohs
06-07-2013, 08:50 AM
Baseball America had Ryan Eades ranked 38th in their final Top 50 Draft Prospects list yesterday before the draft. The Twins got him at 43. Do we really think Boras is going to given sort of break below slot?

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 09:22 AM
Baseball America had Ryan Eades ranked 38th in their final Top 50 Draft Prospects list yesterday before the draft. The Twins got him at 43. Do we really think Boras is going to given sort of break below slot?
No, he will sign for slot, which isn't a big deal anyways, its not like we will have to go over slot for Stewart anyways (in fact I think we can prob save a few bucks on him)

Serrano and Boldt are going to cost too much anyways.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 09:47 AM
I'd like to see Bobby Wahl though he's another RHP. He has the stuff Ryan Eades does not. His K numbers dropped off this year but they were pretty strong in 2012 so the ability is probably there.

I'd also be interested in Ryon Healy, 1B/3B out of OR. Sounds like a pretty solid defender at either corner infield spot and he can hit. His power is in question though one guy at baseball prospectus who is in love with him says the power is there. Sounds like a poor man's Colin Moran to me.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 09:49 AM
Chat going on at BaseballProspectus right now:

Baseball Prospectus | Events | Chat with Nick Faleris on the MLB Draft (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/chat/chat.php?chatId=1053)

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 09:51 AM
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Minnesota Twins — Kohl Stewart was the best player on the board, and Ryan Eades has shown No. 2 stuff at times. Pretty easy pass.

CK
06-07-2013, 09:57 AM
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Minnesota Twins Kohl Stewart was the best player on the board, and Ryan Eades has shown No. 2 stuff at times. Pretty easy pass.

Wow great to hear!

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 10:03 AM
InfraRen (Minny): Are Ryan Boldt or Jon Denney signable at this point?Nick Faleris on the MLB Draft: I think both would need to be tabbed pretty early today to give teams enough base slot allotment to work with in order to reach the money likely needed to buy them out from Nebraska and Arkansas, respectively. Tough spot for teams with Boldt, since they are working almost exclusively off of reports from last year. Speaking for myself, I'd give either one first round money without too much concern, provided I had risk appropriately allocated otherwise with my other selections.

markos
06-07-2013, 10:15 AM
Does anyone know how much slot money the Twins have left, assuming both Stewart and Eades sign for slot? And how much can they go over before they hit the 5% limit?

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 10:24 AM
Wow great to hear!

#2 stuff? pfffffftttttt thats clown talent bro, anything besides a guy who throws 110 MPH with a killer change or a sure bet to hit 40 HR a year is a terrible pick IMO.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 10:25 AM
Does anyone know how much slot money the Twins have left, assuming both Stewart and Eades sign for slot? And how much can they go over before they hit the 5% limit?

The 5% is roughly 700k. Not sure what you mean on the first question... they have enough slot money left to sign everyone else at slot with an additional 700k to throw at someone. I for one would hope that their first two picks go under slot a bit so they could target a guy like Serrano, but from the sounds of it, he's going to play with his dad and come back in 3 years with a shot to be a top 5 guy...

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 10:45 AM
Twins pick #78- Freddie Freeman, Ryan Garko, Ryan Theriot, Steve Busby.
The 4 picks surround it on each side yielded: Chase Utley, Gicarlo Stanton, Marquis Grissom, Zack Cozart, John Olerud, Shaun Marcum, Curtis Granderson, Todd Hollandsworth.

Next pick at #110- Players drafted 110: Ianetta, Jeff Bagwell,
Within 2 picks: Brett Gardner, Dwight Evans, Chad Krueter, Nolasco, Scott Erickson, Paul Byrd,

Smcginnity
06-07-2013, 10:59 AM
Here's an impressive ranking by USA Today on Eades:

MLB draft: Top 20 pitching prospects (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2013/05/15/pitchers-strike-first-mlb-amateur-draft/2162729/)

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 11:01 AM
Baseball America had Ryan Eades ranked 38th in their final Top 50 Draft Prospects list yesterday before the draft. The Twins got him at 43. Do we really think Boras is going to given sort of break below slot?

Eades should be a slot signing. Never know with Boras though. If Eades has a long productive tourney he might pull a Gausman.

Vervehound
06-07-2013, 11:02 AM
I'd like to see Bobby Wahl though he's another RHP. He has the stuff Ryan Eades does not. His K numbers dropped off this year but they were pretty strong in 2012 so the ability is probably there.

I'd also be interested in Ryon Healy, 1B/3B out of OR. Sounds like a pretty solid defender at either corner infield spot and he can hit. His power is in question though one guy at baseball prospectus who is in love with him says the power is there. Sounds like a poor man's Colin Moran to me.

what "stuff" does wahl have that eades doesn't? he's another mid-rotation starter from the sec. good prospect but to differentiate between a couple of third-tier college starters is going to be scouts' work.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 11:05 AM
what "stuff" does wahl have that eades doesn't? he's another mid-rotation starter from the sec. good prospect but to differentiate between a couple of third-tier college starters is going to be scouts' work.

I guess I just like starters with 96 MPH fastballs.

Vervehound
06-07-2013, 11:11 AM
The 5% is roughly 700k. Not sure what you mean on the first question... they have enough slot money left to sign everyone else at slot with an additional 700k to throw at someone. I for one would hope that their first two picks go under slot a bit so they could target a guy like Serrano, but from the sounds of it, he's going to play with his dad and come back in 3 years with a shot to be a top 5 guy...

5% of $14 million would be $700k. twins bonus pool is a bit over $8 mil.

Twins Twerp
06-07-2013, 11:12 AM
I've heard from my sources that Wahl is destined for late reliever, which in round 3 as a worst case scenerio, doesn't hurt my feelings.

BTW my sources are random scouting reports and my almost null knowledge of scouting and baseball.

Vervehound
06-07-2013, 11:13 AM
I guess I just like starters with 96 MPH fastballs.

that'd be his peak, then, which is the same for eades. wahl sits 90-94 and wasn't anything near that at the end of the year. he's harder to square up than eades, though, and throws a slider to eades' curve.

kab21
06-07-2013, 11:15 AM
The 5% is roughly 700k. Not sure what you mean on the first question... they have enough slot money left to sign everyone else at slot with an additional 700k to throw at someone. I for one would hope that their first two picks go under slot a bit so they could target a guy like Serrano, but from the sounds of it, he's going to play with his dad and come back in 3 years with a shot to be a top 5 guy...

5% of 8.2M is 410k. If the Twins are going to get one of the tough signs then I think they will need to punt their 4th and/or 5th rd picks to do it.

I doubt Stewart signs for underslot and I wouldn't be surprised if he snagged a little of the extra 5%. You can make a solid argument that he needs to sign but there is an even better argument that the Twins need to sign him.

I would be very surprised if the Twins took any tough to sign picks from here on out. I'm interested in which guy will be this year's Rosario, Walker, Goodrum or Morales though. At this point I don't even care what position they take. I will take anyone that has a shot at working out since 3rd+ rd picks are longshots.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 11:22 AM
I'd punt my 4th or 5th for Boldt.

Smcginnity
06-07-2013, 11:25 AM
I say just keep going pitching. We need it so bad! Otherwise, Boldt may be a good get with the local ties.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 11:27 AM
that'd be his peak, then, which is the same for eades. wahl sits 90-94 and wasn't anything near that at the end of the year. he's harder to square up than eades, though, and throws a slider to eades' curve.

So they're not the same pitcher then?

golfboy1
06-07-2013, 11:27 AM
InfraRen (Minny): Are Ryan Boldt or Jon Denney signable at this point?Nick Faleris on the MLB Draft: I think both would need to be tabbed pretty early today to give teams enough base slot allotment to work with in order to reach the money likely needed to buy them out from Nebraska and Arkansas, respectively. Tough spot for teams with Boldt, since they are working almost exclusively off of reports from last year. Speaking for myself, I'd give either one first round money without too much concern, provided I had risk appropriately allocated otherwise with my other selections.

Bolt's injury could work either way. He could go to Nebraska & improve his stock or he could decide to take the money & not risk getting hurt @ collage & end up with nothing.

I imagine the Twins have some idea what his thinking is but if they have a reasonable chance at him I hope they go for it. Maybe being from Minnesota will give them a slight edge.

Tyler O'Neill might be a good pick if they want to add a catcher. I don't believe he would be a hard sign.

Vervehound
06-07-2013, 11:34 AM
So they're not the same pitcher than?

eades is every bit the prospect that wahl is. if anything, eades has a slightly better arm while wahl is grittier.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 11:40 AM
Denney or Boldt would be nice. Very weak draft bat wise so grabbing one of these guys now might be our last chance to grab a big bat. Plenty of arms later.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 11:44 AM
eades is every bit the prospect that wahl is. if anything, eades has a slightly better arm while wahl is grittier.

I prefer Eades to Wahl. Eades will be a starter but I'm not sure 100% sold on Wahl being a starter. In the third round might not be a bad grab if you think you Wahl is a starter.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 11:44 AM
Denney or Boldt would be nice. Very weak draft bat wise so grabbing one of these guys now might be our last chance to grab a big bat. Plenty of arms later.
Exactly. How about Cavan Biggio?

golfboy1
06-07-2013, 11:49 AM
Denney or Boldt would be nice. Very weak draft bat wise so grabbing one of these guys now might be our last chance to grab a big bat. Plenty of arms later.

I have a feeling Denney is close to unsignable at this point. I think I'd prefer Bolt.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 11:49 AM
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3373446338/c4e6b4b7809ac3113c50b589bead3548_normal.jpegChris Crawford ‏@CrawfordChrisV (https://twitter.com/CrawfordChrisV)51s (https://twitter.com/CrawfordChrisV/status/343046813210800129)
I'll go with Boldt, Denney a close second RT @colbobr (https://twitter.com/colbobr) highest ceiling guy you think will get drafted today?

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3343642094/874f64a7c940c8bc7714be1e73c4c7b3_normal.jpegKiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd (https://twitter.com/kileymcd)52s (https://twitter.com/kileymcd/status/343047188928143360)
Hearing there may be a deal in place with Jon Denney & Royals if he gets to the 9th pick of the 3rd round. Will be above the $660,900 slot.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 11:49 AM
Exactly. How about Cavan Biggio?

Kid can rake! Would love him too. Some people have suggested the Astros might grab him to start the day. Main question, like many of HS guys left, will he sign?

jorgenswest
06-07-2013, 11:50 AM
I hope the Twins are willing to use the 5%. The overage of $420,000 will be taxed at 75%.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 11:54 AM
From Kiley McDaniels:

Hearing there may be a deal in place with Jon Denney & Royals if he gets to the 9th pick of the 3rd round. Will be above the 660,900 slot.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 11:58 AM
Almost draft time!

kab21
06-07-2013, 11:59 AM
I'd punt my 4th or 5th for Boldt.

Considering how much of a longshot these guys are it is tempting to take all of that money and pile it into one prospect. Especially one that is a late first rd talent.

note for others - to make it happen they have to draft a player and sign them way underslot (like 50K). One team did this last for several picks.

kab21
06-07-2013, 12:04 PM
From Kiley McDaniels:

Hearing there may be a deal in place with Jon Denney & Royals if he gets to the 9th pick of the 3rd round. Will be above the 660,900 slot.

It will be interesting to see how much money they saved with their first pick (Dozier) but if they were also able to sign Manaea, Reed and Denney it would be a very good draft.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 12:08 PM
Kiley McDaniel chat:

Scout.com: 2013 MLB Draft Chat: Day Two (http://sbb.scout.com/2/1297745.html)

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:12 PM
Twins up!

PseudoSABR
06-07-2013, 12:14 PM
Stuart Turner, C, U Miss BAs 110 spec

Twins Twerp
06-07-2013, 12:14 PM
Catcher, Stewart to stewart...i like it

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 12:14 PM
Defensive catcher. Ugh.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 12:15 PM
Stuart Turner:

urner played his first two years at LSU-Eunice, helping the Bengals win the 2012 Division II junior college national championship. In just one season at Mississippi, Turner has established himself as the best catcher in the SEC. He excels defensively, earning high marks for his plus arm and receiving skills. Turner won the Gold Glove for Division II junior colleges last year. His offense, however, is not as well regarded. Turner regularly puts the ball in play, but scouts worry he doesn't make hard contact consistently enough. Turner's defense and makeup will make him a high pick despite his current offensive shortcomings, with a future as a backup his floor.

We def need catching depth, hopefully his bat can come around a bit, but in the third round if you find a legit back up catcher I think that is a win.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 12:16 PM
Boo

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:17 PM
Defensive catcher....

From Law:
Turner is the best catch-and-throw guy in this abysmal crop of college catchers, so even with concerns about his bat translating in pro ball he's among the best catchers on the board and should go in the top hundred picks. Turner's bat speed is adequate for pro ball and he's got enough recognition of the zone that he should be able to keep his average in the .240-.260 range at least, with enough hip rotation to hit 10-15 homers, although he loads his hands so deep that his contact rate may be low.

As a receiver, Turner has outstanding hands, receiving smoothly without moving the glove, and a plus arm that has helped him nail half of opposing basestealers this year (heading into the SEC tournament). He has a high floor as a backup with at least a 25 percent chance of becoming good enough to be one of MLB's 30 starting catchers.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 12:19 PM
Good bye Butera...

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 12:20 PM
This pick makes me think the Reece McGuire bluff perhaps was not a bluff after all.

Anyone unhappy with picking Eades in round 2 due to lack of upside is probably going to throw a fit about this one.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 12:20 PM
25% chance to be a starter? Wow, that is actually pretty encouraging

PseudoSABR
06-07-2013, 12:20 PM
Comment From RS
Why did the Twins draft a catcher that can't hit in the high 3rd round?













10:18

Kiley McDaniel:
I bet they think he can hit. Also, I think he can hit. Just doesn't look great but many cachers don't.

70charger
06-07-2013, 12:23 PM
They consider his floor​ to be a backup catcher? I'll take that in the third round.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:24 PM
After taking Stewart at #4 I'm not sure why I'm surprised that they have gone two "safe" college guys in a row.

jorgenswest
06-07-2013, 12:25 PM
The Twins need catchers with good receiving skills at all levels. It helps the pitchers and their development. Turner wasn't going to last until their next pick. The catching pool is very small as is the middle infield pool. Hopefully they will use their international budget to sign some middle infielders.

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 12:26 PM
His floor is a backup catcher if he learns to hit the baseball. Danny Lehmann.

cmathewson
06-07-2013, 12:26 PM
For what it's worth, 2013 Prospect Rankings: Catchers | MLB Draft Countdown (http://mlbdraftcountdown.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/2013-prospect-rankings-catchers/) rated him the third best catcher in the draft and the best college catcher

Ozziedavisfan
06-07-2013, 12:27 PM
yes! we drafted drew butera again in the 3rd round

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 12:28 PM
And Denney goes three picks after him. For real?

Ozziedavisfan
06-07-2013, 12:32 PM
And Denney goes three picks after him. For real? my point exactly

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:32 PM
yes! we drafted drew butera again in the 3rd round

Haha

Kwak
06-07-2013, 12:33 PM
A team can't have too many no-stick Catchers! Project him to be a starter (25%)-both Buteras started so not unreal.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 12:37 PM
And Denney goes three picks after him. For real? my point exactly
You realize Denney wasn't going to be cheap, the Twins may have not had it in the budget.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 12:38 PM
This pick makes me think the Reece McGuire bluff perhaps was not a bluff after all.

Anyone unhappy with picking Eades in round 2 due to lack of upside is probably going to throw a fit about this one.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:38 PM
Have to think Biggio/Boldt are unsignable now joining Jones/Serrano. I'm 4th round guess Dace Kime went right after the Twins third pick...but Mitchell is still around!

CK
06-07-2013, 12:40 PM
Dang. My guy, Jan Hernandez, just went off the board. Love those PR middle infielders!

PseudoSABR
06-07-2013, 12:41 PM
Twins weren't going to sign Denney with the pool money they'd have left. (There's also concerns about Denney's ability to stay behind the plate.) It's really annoying how people reach for illusory points to criticize the Twins draft approach.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:49 PM
Twins weren't going to sign Denney with the pool money they'd have left. (There's also concerns about Denney's ability to stay behind the plate.) It's really annoying how people reach for illusory points to criticize the Twins draft approach.

At this point no one knows who is signing for what. It isn't like the Red Sox have more pool money than us. No team is going over the 5% over threshold. Are people not aloud to prefer other talent on the board?

Ozziedavisfan
06-07-2013, 12:50 PM
You realize Denney wasn't going to be cheap, the Twins may have not had it in the budget. I realize that you can't get real excited about anyone you probably you can't sign, but it would nice for once if the twins went for someone with upside potential in the later rounds rather than doing what the twins do which is stick to slot and draft guys like turner who is basiclly like every other catcher the twins have draft since joe mauer.

PseudoSABR
06-07-2013, 12:56 PM
Are people not aloud to prefer other talent on the board?This is a loaded question. The thing is I would have preferred Denney, too (at least at first blush).

It's fine to voice your preference but to extend that as some kind of criticism of the Twins or to bemoan the state of the draft class seems unnecessarily inflammatory to me.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 12:57 PM
At this point no one knows who is signing for what. It isn't like the Red Sox have more pool money than us. No team is going over the 5% over threshold. Are people not aloud to prefer other talent on the board?
It is pretty obvious why the Twins didn't pick Denney (or a **** ton of other teams!) Wasting a third round pick on a guy you probably couldn't sign does nothing.

If we get a serviceable back up catcher in the third round, then I would be pretty happy to be honest. There is nothing wrong with some "safe" picks, those safe picks can save the big league club millions of dollars in the future if they can be rostered at the league minimum.

Vervehound
06-07-2013, 12:58 PM
boom! there's your upside with gonsalves. surprised....

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 12:59 PM
boom! there's your upside with gonsalves. surprised....

Love it! Twins love LHPs and they finally got one.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:00 PM
Gonsalves-- nice pick!

A high school lefty, Gonsalves had a very good summer, pitching well at the Area Code Games and the Perfect Game All-American Classic, though an inconsistent spring had some wondering just how high he'd go on Draft day.This is a pretty decent class for prep southpaws, and with his size and projectability, Gonsalves has the upside to be the best of the lot. He uses a full overhand delivery to fire 88-91 mph fastballs, though he was up to 93 mph at the Perfect Game Classic. He'll throw a plus changeup at times to go along with a slurve, which is a bit of a concern to scouts. So was the fact he struggled with his command for parts of the spring after a fairly successful summer on the showcase/USA Baseball tour. Still, many teams will have trouble looking past the ceiling and Gonsalves still has the chance to hear his name called fairly early in the Draft

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:01 PM
Class: HSHeight: 6'05" Weight: 190Bats: L Throws: LComments: A high school lefty, Gonsalves had a very good summer, pitching well at the Area Code Games and the Perfect Game All-American Classic, though an inconsistent spring had some wondering just how high he'd go on Draft day.This is a pretty decent class for prep southpaws, and with his size and projectability, Gonsalves has the upside to be the best of the lot. He uses a full overhand delivery to fire 88-91 mph fastballs, though he was up to 93 mph at the Perfect Game Classic. He'll throw a plus changeup at times to go along with a slurve, which is a bit of a concern to scouts. So was the fact he struggled with his command for parts of the spring after a fairly successful summer on the showcase/USA Baseball tour. Still, many teams will have trouble looking past the ceiling and Gonsalves still has the chance to hear his name called fairly early in the Draft

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 01:01 PM
I like it when they analyze your pick with "at one point could have gone in the 1st round"

PseudoSABR
06-07-2013, 01:02 PM
This is a pretty decent class for prep southpaws, and with his size and projectability, Gonsalves has the upside to be the best of the lot.I like that sentence.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 01:03 PM
I figured he was off the board already... Love this pick.

rickyhawaii
06-07-2013, 01:04 PM
good pick on Gonsalves, good draft so far.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 01:04 PM
Hey, by any chance is Carlos Salazar still on the board? That's another high upside kid I'd love to see them nab.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:05 PM
So where do we think Stewart fits into the Twins top ten:

My uniformed opinion is:
1. Buxton
2. Sano
3. Stewart
4. Arcia
5. Meyer
6. Gibson
7. Rosario

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:06 PM
From Chris Crawford:

Very interesting risk by the #Twins here for Gonsalves. Really struggled, and the obvious character concerns. Could be a value play.

Nathan Rides:

LHP Stephen Gonsalves didn't take the step forward guys hoped for this sprung. Still has projectable stuff though.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:07 PM
Hey, by any chance is Carlos Salazar still on the board? That's another high upside kid I'd love to see them nab.

No. Went to the Braves in the 100s.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:09 PM
Twin's 9th round pick last year Mazzilli goes in the 4th round to the mets at 116

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:11 PM
Keith Law hates the pick

David (St. Paul, MN )

Stephen Gonsalves' ceiling?
Klaw (2:07 PM)


6th starter? Up-and-down guy? I didn't get that pick either. Not projectable, no breaking ball.

TwinsFanInPhilly
06-07-2013, 01:13 PM
Oh no!!! Not KLAW!

Monkeypaws
06-07-2013, 01:16 PM
Gonsalves rated 98th by MLB.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:18 PM
Boo! Hoped Mitchell would fall to the Twins in the 5th round.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:23 PM
Kohl Stewart's dad apparently says he's going to pass on football and take the Twins offer. Don't you at least leave football as a possibility for negotiating?
Klaw (2:20 PM)


Again, it's all done ahead of time.

Pius Jefferson
06-07-2013, 01:29 PM
If you heard Stewart on the radio last night he didn't hide the fact he wanted to turn pro.

iastfan112
06-07-2013, 01:30 PM
Boo! Hoped Mitchell would fall to the Twins in the 5th round.

Mitchell scares me with how many he was walking in college and the lack of a 3rd pitch. I'm fine with missing him.

As far as Gonsalves goes I don't get Law saying he's not projectable, he looks pretty tall and lanky to me, might fill out and add a few ticks to his fastball.

gil4
06-07-2013, 01:36 PM
Twin's 9th round pick last year Mazzilli goes in the 4th round to the mets at 116

UConn!
(Sorry - I have two sisters graduted from there and I spent some rather unproductive time at one of the branch campuses.)

He made himself a bit of money by staying in school another year ($441,800 vs. $130,800) and he gets to play for his dad's old team. It's hard to hate him, even if he did turn down the Twins.

70charger
06-07-2013, 01:40 PM
He made himself a bit of money by staying in school another year ($441,800 vs. $130,800) and he gets to play for his dad's old team. It's hard to hate him, even if he did turn down the Twins.

True and true. But now he has to play for the Mets.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:40 PM
140 pick next: Eric Karros, Ryan Howard, Javier Vasquez

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 01:41 PM
6 foot 10?!

rnw24
06-07-2013, 01:41 PM
UCONN!! 2004 Graduate myself

Kwak
06-07-2013, 01:42 PM
Did we just replace Tyler Robertson?

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:42 PM
Aaron Slegers:

Guys on MLB.com like it, says he is 6 foot 10, had TJs already (yay!) and reminds them of Doug Fister. Lots of natural ability, been hurt for the past 3 years.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 01:42 PM
Aaron Slegers:

Injuries limited Slegers to just 10 innings from 2010, his senior year in high school, to 2012. He is finally healthy this season and, as a redshirt sophomore, has taken over as Indiana's ace, helping lead the Hoosiers to a Big Ten championship. Slegers typically throws his fastball about 90 mph and has touched 95 mph. He has a good approach on the mound and is able to add and subtract from his fastball as needed. Slegers also throws a solid changeup and is working to improve his slider. He is listed at 6-foot-10, 250 pounds, but repeats his delivery well for a pitcher of his size.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:42 PM
Class: JRHeight: 6'10" Weight: 250Bats: R Throws: RComments: Injuries limited Slegers to just 10 innings from 2010, his senior year in high school, to 2012. He is finally healthy this season and, as a redshirt sophomore, has taken over as Indiana's ace, helping lead the Hoosiers to a Big Ten championship. Slegers typically throws his fastball about 90 mph and has touched 95 mph. He has a good approach on the mound and is able to add and subtract from his fastball as needed. Slegers also throws a solid changeup and is working to improve his slider. He is listed at 6-foot-10, 250 pounds, but repeats his delivery well for a pitcher of his size.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:42 PM
6'10" 250lbs DOB: 09/04/92Injuries limited Slegers to just 10 innings from 2010, his senior year in high school, to 2012. He is finally healthy this season and, as a redshirt sophomore, has taken over as Indiana's ace, helping lead the Hoosiers to a Big Ten championship. Slegers typically throws his fastball about 90 mph and has touched 95 mph. He has a good approach on the mound and is able to add and subtract from his fastball as needed. Slegers also throws a solid changeup and is working to improve his slider. He is listed at 6-foot-10, 250 pounds, but repeats his delivery well for a pitcher of his size.

70charger
06-07-2013, 01:43 PM
Aaron Slegers:

6'10" 250lbs DOB: 09/04/92

That is a very large person...

iastfan112
06-07-2013, 01:44 PM
DickBert is excited about the downward plane he generates.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:44 PM
6'10 250...big kid!

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 01:45 PM
After the catcher pick, I like the last two. Upside pitchers. Noice.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:46 PM
BA has him ranked 220

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 01:48 PM
ba has him ranked 220

fire bill smith! Fire terry ryan! Fire gardy! Bring back chuck knoblauch!

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:50 PM
Minnesota's other starter DJ Snelton is still around.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 01:51 PM
fire bill smith! Fire terry ryan! Fire gardy! Bring back chuck knoblauch!

?????

James
06-07-2013, 01:52 PM
The Royals' 5th round pick = Fukofuka, Amalani

I wish the Twins would have picked him for his name alone. How fun would it be to type Fukofuka when talking about prospects?

rickyhawaii
06-07-2013, 01:52 PM
Twins have been lacking a center since loek van mil

Pius Jefferson
06-07-2013, 01:56 PM
The Royals' 5th round pick = Fukofuka, Amalani

I wish the Twins would have picked him for his name alone. How fun would it be to type Fukofuka when talking about prospects?


The name that finally kills Sid Hartman.

gil4
06-07-2013, 01:58 PM
?????


Made sense to me. I had almost the same reaction.

Ozziedavisfan
06-07-2013, 02:15 PM
for some reason we seem to draft pitchers that are over 6'8 but manage throw like 90. I do like this pick though.

CharacterGroove
06-07-2013, 02:18 PM
Yep, getting a post presence was necessary this draft.

spycake
06-07-2013, 02:21 PM
I know this is a worthless exercise -- the only thing worse than college stats might be college stats without context -- but I checked anyway, and very similar age-21 college seasons for these two:

Stuart Turner Baseball Statistics (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=stuart-turner)

Drew Butera Baseball Statistics (2003-2013) (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Drew-Butera)

Turner: .381/.452/.533 with 5 HR (.152 isolated power)
Butera: .325/.434/.481 with 5 HR (.156 isolated power)

Similar K/BB ratios too.

In Turner's defense, he posted similar stat lines in his age-19 and age-20 seasons, albeit at junior college, whereas Butera was more or less a zero power guy before his age-21 season:

2012 LSU Eunice stats (http://web.lsue.edu/athletics/sportsstats/baseballstats2012/SeasonStats2012.htm)
2011 LSU Eunice stats (http://web.lsue.edu/athletics/sportsstats/baseballstats2011/SeasonStats.htm)

B Richard
06-07-2013, 02:21 PM
Are there any expected signability issues with either Gonsalves or Slegers?

Monkeypaws
06-07-2013, 02:22 PM
Man, 4 pitchers and a catcher. BPA and need seem to be converging here.

heatbeat
06-07-2013, 02:32 PM
Are there any expected signability issues with either Gonsalves or Slegers?

I don't think Slegers will be an issue considering he had a career healthy year, and he probably would want to cash in on that. Gonsalves doesn't sound like it will be an issue either.

spycake
06-07-2013, 02:33 PM
Interestingly, the leading hitter on Turner's LSU Eunice teams was Dalton Herrington, who did not adapt well to NCAA baseball in 2013 at Louisiana-Monroe, in perhaps a less talented conference than Turner's too:

ULM - Season Statistics (http://www.ulmathletics.com/fls/19000/stats/baseball/2013/teamcume.htm)

Meanwhile, Turner basically replicated his junior college season at the NCAA level and was the leading hitter on his Mississippi team. Also, Butera was NOT the leading hitter on his college team, but there were a number of players drafted from it, suggesting good team/conference quality.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 02:34 PM
Between Slegers and Meyer the Timberwolves are probably jealous.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 02:35 PM
Another catcher?

Edit: Not complaining, just curious. Only catchers and pitchers thus far.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 02:35 PM
HS

6'02" 200lbs DOB: 12/29/94 | http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/components/events/draft/y2012/draftcaster/images/vid_icon.pngScouting videoIn a Draft class fairly deep in high school catching, it would be smart not to forget about this Florida prep standout. Big and strong, Navarreto has the chance to hit for both average and power, with bat speed and loft. He has a good plan at the plate and makes adjustments well. He has a strong arm that he's not afraid to show off from behind the plate and is fairly athletic. He's the kind of strong competitor teams like to see at the position as well, giving him the chance to maximize his solid all-around tools.There are other high school backstops who will go ahead of Navarreto, but he shouldn't have to wait too long to hear his name called.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 02:35 PM
Class: HSHeight: 6'02" Weight: 200Bats: R Throws: RComments: In a Draft class fairly deep in high school catching, it would be smart not to forget about this Florida prep standout. Big and strong, Navarreto has the chance to hit for both average and power, with bat speed and loft. He has a good plan at the plate and makes adjustments well. He has a strong arm that he's not afraid to show off from behind the plate and is fairly athletic. He's the kind of strong competitor teams like to see at the position as well, giving him the chance to maximize his solid all-around tools.There are other high school backstops who will go ahead of Navarreto, but he shouldn't have to wait too long to hear his name called.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 02:36 PM
Another catcher?

High upside.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 02:37 PM
Haha, I actually called this one before the draft! 2/6. BA has him 185

PseudoSABR
06-07-2013, 02:37 PM
Well it's a battery draft!

It's not a bad idea to pair catchers and pitchers to come into the minor leagues together, and maybe move up as well together. Got a HS and College catcher, and surely plenty of pitchers to come from each.

B Richard
06-07-2013, 02:38 PM
I actually really like Navarreto's profile for a 6th rounder, but do we think we can sign him?

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 02:40 PM
I actually really like Navarreto's profile for a 6th rounder, but do we think we can sign him?

Only one way to find out!

spycake
06-07-2013, 02:41 PM
Finally, a little more context: Turner's University of Mississippi program has turned out a number of notable MLB players over the years, while Butera is only Central Florida guy to get more than a cup of coffee.

B Richard
06-07-2013, 02:42 PM
I'm really firing off questions here, but what's the penalty for going over the 5%? Is it something like hanging up the GM by his toes?

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 02:44 PM
I'm really firing off questions here, but what's the penalty for going over the 5%? Is it something like hanging up the GM by his toes?

Lose of next years 1st round pick. So yeah.

spycake
06-07-2013, 02:45 PM
From a quick Google search for Brian Navaretto:

Bench-clearing brawl, racial slurs mar high school baseball game (Video) - USA TODAY High School Sports (http://www.usatodayhss.com/news/article/bench-clearing-brawl-racial-slurs-high-school-baseball-video)

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 02:46 PM
I actually really like Navarreto's profile for a 6th rounder, but do we think we can sign him?

Yeah, Navarreto is a great pick in the 6th round IMO. From my knowledge there shouldn't be any problem signing him.

James
06-07-2013, 02:48 PM
I'm really firing off questions here, but what's the penalty for going over the 5%? Is it something like hanging up the GM by his toes?
Penalties for exceeding the Signing Bonus Pool are:
Excess of Pool Penalty - (Tax on Overage/Draft Picks)
* 0-5% - 75% tax on overage
* 5-10% - 75% tax on overage and loss of 1st round pick
* 10-15% - 100% tax on overage and loss of 1st and 2nd round picks
* 15%+ - 100% tax on overage and loss of 1st round picks in next two drafts

Source: Changes to the new CBA that affect the MLB Draft (http://www.mymlbdraft.com/changes-in-the-new-cba-affect-the-mlb-draft/)

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 02:51 PM
Tigers have gone 7-7 for pitchers. Most have been relief guys. Interesting.

Seth Stohs
06-07-2013, 02:53 PM
Navarretto was one of Jeremy Nygaard's Personal Cheeseballs!

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 03:11 PM
Brian Gilbert 495 on BA's board. Callis said if he develops his slider could be a 7th/8th inning relief pitcher. 6'1 RHP

gil4
06-07-2013, 03:12 PM
I'm really firing off questions here, but what's the penalty for going over the 5%? Is it something like hanging up the GM by his toes?

Different part of the anatomy.



% Over Budget

Penalties Leveled



0%

None



Up to 5%

75% tax on overage



Up to 10%

75% tax on overage, loss of next season's 1st round pick



Up to 15%

100% tax on overage, loss of next season's 1st and 2nd round picks



> 15%

100% tax on overage, loss of 1st round pick next two seasons








MLB 2012 Draft: What Are the Penalties for Exceeding Slot Budgets? - Twinkie Town (http://www.twinkietown.com/2012/5/31/3054283/mlb-2012-draft-what-are-the-penalties-for-exceeding-slot-budgets)

You only get the budget for the picks you actually sign. If you think a pick will sign for under slot and you use that excess elsewhere, you could be in trouble if the projected under slot guy changes his mind.

John Bonnes
06-07-2013, 03:13 PM
Navarretto was one of Jeremy Nygaard's Personal Cheeseballs!

Here's his writeup:

Twins Daily - Draft Preview: "Personal Cheeseballs" (Hitters) (http://twinsdaily.com/1675-draft-preview-personal-cheeseballs-hitters.html)

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 03:14 PM
From Nathan Rode:

#Twins pick Seton Hall RHP Brian Gilbert, 495 on #BA500. Plus FB, secondary needs tightening, but has improved.

Reginald Maudling's Shin
06-07-2013, 03:27 PM
Are the Twins planning on signing all picks in the top 10 rounds? Usually that's been the case. I don't know if the new CBA affects that strategy at all.

Siehbiscuit
06-07-2013, 03:29 PM
The pool of money only applies to the first 10 rounds, correct? If the "unsignable" guys are still available do the Twins (and others) start looking at them again to pay them what they want?

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 03:32 PM
The pool of money only applies to the first 10 rounds, correct? If the "unsignable" guys are still available do the Twins (and others) start looking at them again to pay them what they want?

After the tenth round you only get 100k per pick so guys who were unsignable before will be even more unsignable.

James
06-07-2013, 03:32 PM
The pool of money only applies to the first 10 rounds, correct? If the "unsignable" guys are still available do the Twins (and others) start looking at them again to pay them what they want?
It only applies to the first 10 rounds unless you give them a bonus over $100K. Any amount over that is included in the pool money spent.

So, you can't wait to draft in the 11th round and give them first round money.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-07-2013, 03:33 PM
It only applies to the first 10 rounds unless you give them a bonus over $100K. Any amount over that is included in the pool money spent.

So, you can't wait to draft in the 11th round and give them first round money.
Well you could, you would just have to go under slot in earlier rounds.

James
06-07-2013, 03:44 PM
Well you could, you would just have to go under slot in earlier rounds.
True. It just seems like a silly way to go about things.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 03:57 PM
3B Dustin DeMuth. Another Hoosier, I'm guessing their scouts like to stick around Big 10 country? Sounds like he doesn't have much power potential.

CK
06-07-2013, 03:58 PM
Indiana 3B Dustin DeMuth in the 8th. Prototypical size, arm but lacks power production.

TwinsFanInPhilly
06-07-2013, 04:02 PM
Matt Garrioch at minorleagueball says he doesn't see Demuth as that different from Pinder. Good value pick here.

James
06-07-2013, 04:05 PM
3B Dustin DeMuth. Another Hoosier, I'm guessing their scouts like to stick around Big 10 country? Sounds like he doesn't have much power potential.
The description they gave on the MLB live draft wasn't that he couldn't have power, it more that he hasn't shown it yet. He could just need a adjustments to his swing to bring it out.

Also, they said he's from Bloomington, IN. I've been to that place. You'd think the Twins might be a little skeptical of a guy that grew up (and went to college) in a town where they sell pitchers of PBR for less than $4.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 04:12 PM
The description they gave on the MLB live draft wasn't that he couldn't have power, it more that he hasn't shown it yet. He could just need a adjustments to his swing to bring it out.

That's not something this organization does well. Generally the guys in the system who have power, brought it with them and in some cases had to fend off challenges to keep it.


Also, they said he's from Bloomington, IN. I've been to that place. You'd think the Twins might be a little skeptical of a guy that grew up (and went to college) in a town where they sell pitchers of PBR for less than $4.

He will probably have a difficult time adjusting to downtown Minneapolis prices then. It might be for the best if he stays in the Midwest League.

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 04:20 PM
Then the Twins go and make solid, smart picks in rounds 4-10. Navarreto is a good find that late and certainly DeMuth is a steal here. He is (and, being a Purdue grad, I hate IU tremendously) a good hitter, with doubles power and a decent approach. I like that pick a lot.

Gonsalves is a nice pick too. They did a good job in rounds 1, 4-10.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 04:26 PM
So the Angels and Blue Jays have only taken pitchers, I know the Tigers have taken 7 pitchers in 8 picks. Pitchers are flying off the board everywhere. What is the causation that I'm missing? Did a bunch of teams do a study that found it was best to take pitchers early and position players late? Are all the pitchers just that much more appealing? Is there a new approach to load up on pitchers to see what sticks? Are they loading up hoping quantity will overcome the inevitable injury bug that will surely bite a large percentage of these young men?

Something seems unusual about this high volume of pitchers in the first 8 rounds. Anyone have a better take?

James
06-07-2013, 04:34 PM
So the Angels and Blue Jays have only taken pitchers, I know the Tigers have taken 7 pitchers in 8 picks. Pitchers are flying off the board everywhere. What is the causation that I'm missing? Did a bunch of teams do a study that found it was best to take pitchers early and position players late? Are all the pitchers just that much more appealing? Is there a new approach to load up on pitchers to see what sticks? Are they loading up hoping quantity will overcome the inevitable injury bug that will surely bite a large percentage of these young men?

Something seems unusual about this high volume of pitchers in the first 8 rounds. Anyone have a better take?
That could have some to do with it. I've also heard that this was a particularly weak draft, especially for position players. Maybe teams are just going for best pitcher available.

But I really have no clue. It could just be that these teams looked at their system and decided they needed some depth at pitcher.

boylan
06-07-2013, 04:35 PM
Stuart Turner's Ole Miss numbers:


Player
avg
gp-gs
ab
r
h
2b
3b
hr
rbi
tb
slg%
bb
hbp
so
gdp
ob%
sf
sh
sb-att
po
a
e
fld%


Stuart Turner (http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/stuart_turner_825154.html)
.374
62-62
222
44
83
15
1
5
51
115
.518
28
7
37
8
.444
9
0
2-6
362
61
5
.988



I think the comment about him hitting for a low average in the majors is BS. He's on the college leader BA board and lead his SEC team (it's a .500 team) in batting so he's not a dead man at the plate. Haven't viewed his video so comment on his swing.

Coaches voted him best catcher in the SEC which is a top conference.

I like this pick as a 3rd rounder. Speaks to the catching depth in this draft.

70charger
06-07-2013, 04:41 PM
Another catcher!

James
06-07-2013, 04:42 PM
Another catcher!
I think I'm seeing a trend...

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 04:43 PM
Then the Twins go and make solid, smart picks in rounds 4-10. Navarreto is a good find that late and certainly DeMuth is a steal here. He is (and, being a Purdue grad, I hate IU tremendously) a good hitter, with doubles power and a decent approach. I like that pick a lot.

Gonsalves is a nice pick too. They did a good job in rounds 1, 4-10.

I mean 4-8. The 9th and 10th are to be determined

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 04:43 PM
Class: SRHeight: 6'01" Weight: 200Bats: R Throws: RComments: Despite being named an All-American a year ago, Garver went undrafted as a junior. He returned to New Mexico and is regarded as one of the better college seniors in this year's Draft. Garver has posted exceptional offensive numbers while at New Mexico, but scouts worry they have been inflated by the thin air and good hitting environment of Albuquerque. Garver has improved defensively in the last year, quieting most of the concerns about his ability to remain behind the plate as a professional. He is an average receiver with a solid arm. Garver has also played left field, but his bat profiles much better if he can catch.

BA has him ranked 234.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 04:47 PM
3 college RHPs, 2 college Cs, a HS C, a college 3B, a HS RHP, and a HS LHP. Lots of catchers/RHPing.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 04:48 PM
9 picks for the blue jays, 9 pitchers.

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 04:50 PM
The Twins have maybe Jorge Fernandez below Koch and that's it. The rest are not very good. Navarreto will be the best other than McGuire and Denney out of this draft. Garver is a nice pick as well. His upside is basically Chris Herrmann.

Kwak
06-07-2013, 04:56 PM
It sure looks as if the Twins are planning on moving Mauer.

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 05:07 PM
It sure looks as if the Twins are planning on moving Mauer.

I doubt that more than one of these catchers will make the big leagues. and that won't be until 2016.

David Bohlander
06-07-2013, 05:11 PM
I doubt that more than one of these catchers will make the big leagues. and that won't be until 2016.

And will Mauer even be a catcher in 2016? They'll need an about-average backup at least.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 05:13 PM
U of M's own DJ Snelton to the Giants at 282. Dang, like him in the later rounds for the Twins.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 05:18 PM
The other U of M pitcher Windle has already agreed to terms with the Dodgers for slot. Also, 89th pick Cord Sandberg has agreed to sign over slot with the Phils. Hopefully the Twins will get some fast signings.

70charger
06-07-2013, 05:24 PM
Charles Irby

6'01" 200lbs DOB: 05/06/92Irby is an accomplished two-way player at Samford. He was the Bulldogs' closer and DH last year, but moved into the starting rotation this spring. Irby's fastball sits around 90 mph as a starter and in the mid-90s as a reliever, with good movement. He mixes his fastball with a plus curveball that generates a lot of swing-and miss. His aggressiveness on the mound and lack of a quality third offering make Irby a better fit as a reliever. He is polished enough to move quickly through the Minor Leagues if a team returns him to the bullpen.

cmb0252
06-07-2013, 05:24 PM
Charles Irby 237 on BA's list.


Height: 6'01" Weight: 200Bats: R Throws: RComments: Irby is an accomplished two-way player at Samford. He was the Bulldogs' closer and DH last year, but moved into the starting rotation this spring. Irby's fastball sits around 90 mph as a starter and in the mid-90s as a reliever, with good movement. He mixes his fastball with a plus curveball that generates a lot of swing-and miss. His aggressiveness on the mound and lack of a quality third offering make Irby a better fit as a reliever. He is polished enough to move quickly through the Minor Leagues if a team returns him to the bullpen.

70charger
06-07-2013, 05:24 PM
In round 10, I think he's clearly a reliever.

70charger
06-07-2013, 05:28 PM
Roundup:

Round 1: Kohl Stewart HS LHP
2: Ryan Eads, College RHP
3: Stuart Turner, College C
4: Stephen Gonsalves, HS LHP
5: Aaron Slegers, College RHP
6: Brian Navarreto, HS C
7: Brian Gilbert, College RHP
8: Dustin DeMuth, College 3B
9: Mitchell Garver, College C
10: Charles Irby, College RHP

Shane Wahl
06-07-2013, 05:34 PM
Irby is definitely looking like a reliever. He put up interesting offensive stats, though. They could see what's going on in E-Town and change course. Good pick. The Twins did well in 4-10 and the first round. I am not sure about Slegers, at the moment, since he isn't all that great. He might be one to develop the ability to strike more batters out. I saw him pitch once this year and he looks the role, but something is amiss with his velocity. Worthwhile to take here though.

jerickasdad34
06-07-2013, 05:44 PM
So im guessing Red Wings Ryan Boldt hasnt got drafted yet because of his injury and the fact that after the first couple rounds, he has a zero signability?

Rosterman
06-07-2013, 05:50 PM
Was doing some research on another project. From the 2009 draft (Kyle Gibson), two draftees (Dozier and Herrmann) have made the majors. Only 7 of he 50 players the Twins drafted are still playing minor league ball.

nicksaviking
06-07-2013, 05:59 PM
In round 10, I think he's clearly a reliever.

Baxendale went in the 10th last year. But without a 3rd pitch, yes he's almost certainly a reliever.

maxisagod
06-07-2013, 06:17 PM
So im guessing Red Wings Ryan Boldt hasnt got drafted yet because of his injury and the fact that after the first couple rounds, he has a zero signability?

No one wants to spend the money or waste the pick on someone who's asking for 1st round cash without playing at all this season. Someone will pick him late, they'll watch him play summer ball, and see if they can find cash if his play is off the charts. But at this point there's a 98% chance he's Nebraska bound.

Kwak
06-07-2013, 06:59 PM
None of the State of Minnesota High School players were drafted. Apparently, they all believe that they can improve "their slot" significantly.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 07:41 PM
It would have been nice if the Twins had grabbed one or two more higher ceiling prep kids... would have thought they had the bonus money to snag someone.

Vervehound
06-07-2013, 08:32 PM
It would have been nice if the Twins had grabbed one or two more higher ceiling prep kids... would have thought they had the bonus money to snag someone. how would you define gonsalves and navaretto? I think they did a pretty good job - there is some meh here but even the seniors are semi-intriguing (garver/Demuth) so there's not a lot of guys that'll be relegated as org filler out of the chute. btw, I don't think it's unreasonable that we take a guy with major upside in round 11 - boldt would fit perfectly. if we have savings after the first ten rounds, this is where teams look to apply it.

Jeremy Nygaard
06-07-2013, 09:19 PM
The original article has been going through updates throughout the day, so you should read that for additional information.

Just a few things that were brought up in the forum that should be touched on:

The Twins knew that Jon Denney had worked a deal with the Red Sox to sign for a bonus in the 800K range. They knew they didn't have that type of money to spend on him.

There is no interest in Ryan Boldt. They have a figure and they aren't going to be able to give it to him. It will be interesting to see if he goes to Nebraska, or JCs it somewhere and re-enters the draft next year.

Jan Hernandez was one Puerto Rican the Twins showed interest in, but he would have been moved to 3B immediately. There were five Puerto Ricans on their board with 10th round value (or higher). Only one is gone. Infielders Nelson Molina and Edwin Diaz remain, as well as catchers Rene Melendez and Xavier Fernandez. I really thought Melendez would be a guy the Twins took... but after taking three catchers so far, it's less likely.

The Twins have a better 1-2 QB punch (Mauer/Stewart) than the Vikings (Ponder/Cassel).

The Twins have a power forward (Slegers) the Wolves could have used last year.

clutterheart
06-07-2013, 09:32 PM
The original article has been going through updates throughout the day, so you should read that for additional information.

Just a few things that were brought up in the forum that should be touched on:

The Twins knew that Jon Denney had worked a deal with the Red Sox to sign for a bonus in the 800K range. They knew they didn't have that type of money to spend on him.

There is no interest in Ryan Boldt. They have a figure and they aren't going to be able to give it to him. It will be interesting to see if he goes to Nebraska, or JCs it somewhere and re-enters the draft next year.

Jan Hernandez was one Puerto Rican the Twins showed interest in, but he would have been moved to 3B immediately. There were five Puerto Ricans on their board with 10th round value (or higher). Only one is gone. Infielders Nelson Molina and Edwin Diaz remain, as well as catchers Rene Melendez and Xavier Fernandez. I really thought Melendez would be a guy the Twins took... but after taking three catchers so far, it's less likely.

The Twins have a better 1-2 QB punch (Mauer/Stewart) than the Vikings (Ponder/Cassel).

The Twins have a power forward (Slegers) the Wolves could have used last year.

I am suprised by the lack of Puerto Ricans this year. Rosario & Berrios and a few others tell me the twins had a good bead on the island...But I read the scout who signed those two left the Twins, wonder if this had anything to do with them not drafting anyone from PR.

johnnydakota
06-07-2013, 09:38 PM
6 pitchers and 3 catchers? how long does rotten Ronnie plan on managing the Twins?

Jeremy Nygaard
06-07-2013, 09:39 PM
I am suprised by the lack of Puerto Ricans this year. Rosario & Berrios and a few others tell me the twins had a good bead on the island...But I read the scout who signed those two left the Twins, wonder if this had anything to do with them not drafting anyone from PR.

It was a very down year. Hector Otero was a very successful scout and when you unearth guys, agencies take note. They're looking for talent too.

I'm sure the Twins were disappointed that Otero left, but his replacement, Freddie Thon, is a guy the Twins have high hopes for - eye for talent, tireless worker, etc. I think we'll see Thon get a guy or two tomorrow.

diehardtwinsfan
06-07-2013, 09:42 PM
how would you define gonsalves and navaretto? I think they did a pretty good job - there is some meh here but even the seniors are semi-intriguing (garver/Demuth) so there's not a lot of guys that'll be relegated as org filler out of the chute. btw, I don't think it's unreasonable that we take a guy with major upside in round 11 - boldt would fit perfectly. if we have savings after the first ten rounds, this is where teams look to apply it.

I liked those picks... would have liked one or two more prep kids... That said, if they do something like that in the 11th, I won't complain. I was hoping more for the Cerrano type, but truth be told, I doubt he signs... especially now when it's 100k + whatever extra slot/bonus money they can pony up.

Jeremy Nygaard
06-07-2013, 09:53 PM
I expect the Twins to play it relatively straight tomorrow, especially for the next 6-8 rounds. They might slip a higher-upside/harder-sign guy in there... but for the most part tomorrow will be about organizational depth. The most they spent on a non-top 10 guy last year was $190,000 and that was with a bigger pool.

Judging by what I've heard, Garver is going to to be the only one significantly higher or lower than slot, so we're talking about an extra $75,000 or so for tomorrow.

InfraRen
06-07-2013, 10:11 PM
In summary for me so far: LOVE Stewart. Like Eades. Intrigued by Gonsalves. The rest, "meh." Added 2 pitchers who will impact our rotation in the future for sure. That's good.

maxisagod
06-07-2013, 11:38 PM
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Jan Hernandez was one Puerto Rican the Twins showed interest in, but he would have been moved to 3B immediately. There were five Puerto Ricans on their board with 10th round value (or higher). Only one is gone. Infielders Nelson Molina and Edwin Diaz remain, as well as catchers Rene Melendez and Xavier Fernandez. I really thought Melendez would be a guy the Twins took... but after taking three catchers so far, it's less likely.


Besides Hernandez the only one of those guys I've heard of is Shortstop Edwin Diaz... which isn't a surprise this low in the draft. To bad about no high bonus signings in the 11th. I would of love to see them take A.J. Puk.

PseudoSABR
06-08-2013, 01:37 AM
::prudent knowledge, all around::Thanks, bud. It's so nice to have a dude like you put some of the speculation in perspective. Congrats at the privilege.

SpiritofVodkaDave
06-08-2013, 09:27 AM
I like what the Twins did yesterday, they solved the catching depth issue and they got 6 potential starting pitchers, much more happy about rounds 2-10 this year then last.

As mentioned, all it takes for this to be a super successful draft is if Stewart lives up to expectations and the Twins can find another regular contributor or two.

InfraRen
06-10-2013, 09:26 AM
https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3331832907/51a63dc29a0c876237f6ade50f0e0e8b_normal.jpegAndrew Renschen ‏@InfraRen (https://twitter.com/InfraRen)4m (https://twitter.com/InfraRen/status/344096441096105984)
@jimcallisBA (https://twitter.com/jimcallisBA) have you heard anything about #Twins (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Twins&src=hash) ability to sign Stephen Gonsalves?
Expand (https://twitter.com/InfraRen/status/344096441096105984)




https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/2249953102/wolfson1_normal.jpgDarren Wolfson ‏@DarrenWolfson (https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson)3m (https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson/status/344096706176098304)
@InfraRen (https://twitter.com/InfraRen) Radcliff told me Sat. night that they fully
expect to sign him.

Also:

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#Twins (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Twins&src=hash) sign 9th-rder Mitchell Garver for $40k (sr sign). Big numbers at New Mexico, good arm/athlete for C. #mlbdraft (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23mlbdraft&src=hash)