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Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 12:05 AM
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mako83
05-26-2013, 01:10 AM
Still think that if fridays game had been at target field gibson would have gotten the call.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
05-26-2013, 01:18 AM
Daniel Ortiz has really been good this season.

clutterheart
05-26-2013, 03:46 AM
Has anyone here santana play? What he like in the field? I know he has a lot of errors but I'm looking to know if anyone has seen him play.

Winston Smith
05-26-2013, 09:31 AM
111 pitches? Do they want his arm to fall off? Isn't 100 a magic number in Gardy's book?

roger
05-26-2013, 10:05 AM
Good morning Seth, What are your thoughts on moving Morales up to AA? Keep him at F.M. another month or so to finish building his confidence or move him soon?

jorgenswest
05-26-2013, 10:38 AM
I wonder about the 111 pitches also.

However, keeping him in the minors leads to much less stressful innings. Lineups like the Tigers are going to put much greater stress on an arm coming off surgery. All innings and all pitches are not equivalent.

mike wants wins
05-26-2013, 10:46 AM
So he throws softer in the minors? Three of four great starts, if it is about consistency, he will be up soon......

Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 11:08 AM
Good morning Seth, What are your thoughts on moving Morales up to AA? Keep him at F.M. another month or so to finish building his confidence or move him soon?

I'd move him soon. It's time. At that time, Buxton to Ft. Myers.

kab21
05-26-2013, 11:09 AM
Good morning Seth, What are your thoughts on moving Morales up to AA? Keep him at F.M. another month or so to finish building his confidence or move him soon?

Imo Morales is the type of prospect that moves up when Buxton and/or Walker are promoted. He is only 24 and he's having a nice season but this is his 4th season at Ft Myers. Maybe he has some upside but I see a Wilkin Ramirez type career in his future.

Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 11:09 AM
So he throws softer in the minors? Three of four great starts, if it is about consistency, he will be up soon......

Maybe one, possibly two, more starts. No worries. Just a matter of time.

Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 11:11 AM
Daniel Ortiz has really been good this season.

Yes, he has. He's little, but he can hit. Very solid ballplayer!

greengoblinrulz
05-26-2013, 11:53 AM
Maybe one, possibly two, more starts. No worries. Just a matter of time.
agree....that Super 2 date is getting closer/easier to avoid. These xtra starts never had anything to do with performance.
Agree that promotion to Morales is based on Buxton's but New Brit could use a CF as they had to take 2 OFs off the street to fill the roster.

Shane Wahl
05-26-2013, 02:49 PM
Santana and Beresford are impressive. We could be looking at them at some point next year in a Twins uniform.

Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 05:21 PM
agree....that Super 2 date is getting closer/easier to avoid. These xtra starts never had anything to do with performance.
Agree that promotion to Morales is based on Buxton's but New Brit could use a CF as they had to take 2 OFs off the street to fill the roster.

I don't believe that Gibson's call-up is related to the Super 2 date.

I also don't believe Morales and Buxton are directly tied. Buxton's been playing himself into staying in Cedar Rapids longer. Morales should move up soon. Goncalves can certainly take CF in Ft. Myers for awhile. Or JD Williams could move up. Or Jon Murphy could play there. Or Murphy could go to Cedar Rapids and Adam Walker should move up (he will soon too).

Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 05:22 PM
Santana and Beresford are impressive. We could be looking at them at some point next year in a Twins uniform.

Beresford is very underrated because he doesn't hit for any power, but he's great defensively.

Santana has all the tools, but he lacks defensive consistency. No one in the Twins system has more errors, and that includes Sano or Harrison. He also started out slowly.

mike wants wins
05-26-2013, 05:24 PM
So why is Gibson not up, then?

Do you think there are five guys better than him? Do you think he is not mentally ready?

Seth Stohs
05-26-2013, 11:52 PM
So why is Gibson not up, then?

Do you think there are five guys better than him? Do you think he is not mentally ready?

Cuz he's a top prospect and they need to do the right things for his development. People think the inconsistency thing is just an excuse but the numbers say that is very true. He's now been good 3 out of 4 so he's about there.

No, I don't think there are five better than him, necessarily.

As I've said many times, the money (arbitration and especially free agency) should be an issue for the twins and all other teams. The Twins have shown time and again that those things don't factor in.

Ncgo4
05-27-2013, 04:05 AM
I understand that Gibson, because of injury history, will be throwing limited innings this year. If so, why in the devil are they allowing him to throw all these innings and, specifically, 114 pitches in a meaningless game for Rochester?

Mr. Brooks
05-27-2013, 10:40 AM
Cuz he's a top prospect and they need to do the right things for his development. People think the inconsistency thing is just an excuse but the numbers say that is very true. He's now been good 3 out of 4 so he's about there.

No, I don't think there are five better than him, necessarily.

As I've said many times, the money (arbitration and especially free agency) should be an issue for the twins and all other teams. The Twins have shown time and again that those things don't factor in.

I guess, like Nick said yesterday, I don't understand why it would be so detrimental to him to let him work on his consistency in the majors?
I would understand if he werent one of the 5 best options, then you can justify making him work on that at AAA, but in this case why not let him work on it in the MLB, so he is acclimated by the time 2014 rolls around?

TRex
05-27-2013, 10:16 PM
Well, if one of the things that is meant by 'inconsistent' is that he has trouble throwing anything other than a fastball for strikes... that is just not going to work in the Majors. Gibson has terrific fastball command, and 'could' have pitched his two shutouts with just that pitch (which would explain why they let him throw so many pitches). I wish we had that kind of info to make judgements on, because with it I think the degree of incredulity (and insinuations the the FO is incompetent) would be much lower.

kab21
05-28-2013, 12:56 AM
I guess, like Nick said yesterday, I don't understand why it would be so detrimental to him to let him work on his consistency in the majors?
I would understand if he werent one of the 5 best options, then you can justify making him work on that at AAA, but in this case why not let him work on it in the MLB, so he is acclimated by the time 2014 rolls around?

My general rule of thumb is that MLB needs shouldn't dictate MiLB promotions. Gibson is still coming back and working on his control. If he is up with the Twins it's possible that he gets hammered due to this and he could start nibbling leading to worse results. Or...

The question is whether or not this consistency is actually real or if it is a convenient excuse due to SSS to keep him down until the super 2 deadline.

Mr. Brooks
05-28-2013, 08:57 PM
My general rule of thumb is that MLB needs shouldn't dictate MiLB promotions. Gibson is still coming back and working on his control. If he is up with the Twins it's possible that he gets hammered due to this and he could start nibbling leading to worse results. Or...

The question is whether or not this consistency is actually real or if it is a convenient excuse due to SSS to keep him down until the super 2 deadline.

And my whole point is, so what?
Gibson would hardly be the first (or 1,000th) good prospect to come up and struggle.
At that point you send him down, and tell him what he needs to work on (i.e. Arcia), or you keep him up and let him work through it here (i.e. Hicks).
I don't quite understand the nonsense behind this, "nope, we can't call him up until we are absolutely sure that he'll stay up for good."
Guys have 3 option years for a reason. There is no shame in going down to AAA if it doesn't work out. Even Trout went back down before he stuck for good.