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Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 05:53 AM
Lineups:

Twins:
Jamey Carroll 2B
Joe Mauer DH
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Ryan Doumit C
Oswaldo Arcia RF
Aaron Hicks CF
Eduardo Escobar 3B
Pedro Florimon SS
(Mike Pelfrey P

White Sox:
DeWayne Wise CF
Alexei Ramirez SS
Alex Rios RF
Adam Dunn 1B
Paul Konerko DH
Conor Gillaspie 3B
Dayan Viciedo LF
Jeff Keppinger 2B
Hector Gimenez C
(Dylan Axelrod P)

stringer bell
05-15-2013, 10:39 AM
I predict Carroll, Escobar, and Doumit in, with Parmelee, Dozier and Willingham (?) out.

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 10:55 AM
I predict Carroll, Escobar, and Doumit in, with Parmelee, Dozier and Willingham (?) out.

So close.

Gibby
05-15-2013, 12:20 PM
Here's a stretch. I predict a looping single to right for Carrol.

Gibby
05-15-2013, 12:22 PM
Here's a stretch. I predict a looping single to right for Carrol.

Ok, I'll take a double to left.

Gibby
05-15-2013, 12:24 PM
Guess all we needed was an independent league pitcher.

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 12:27 PM
Well, this looks to have the makings of a very fun game for Twins fans.

stringer bell
05-15-2013, 12:28 PM
Happy birthday Justin. Keep swinging (the bat)!

IdahoPilgrim
05-15-2013, 12:29 PM
Well, this looks to have the makings of a very fun game for Twins fans.

Oh, sure, jinx the whole thing before the first inning is even over.:)

stringer bell
05-15-2013, 12:29 PM
Big early AB for Arcia.

Gibby
05-15-2013, 12:31 PM
Seems to me that when you start a game with 3 straight hits, you should score more than 1 crummy run.

IdahoPilgrim
05-15-2013, 12:33 PM
Seems to me that when you start a game with 3 straight hits, you should score more than 1 crummy run.

So what? It's not like Pelfrey is going to need any more than that. Is he...?

Gibby
05-15-2013, 12:47 PM
I love it. The last time we played, the Sox board was going on about how Escobar sucks and Keppinger is so much better.

Riverbrian
05-15-2013, 12:50 PM
Escobar goes deep... #2 out of 6 this year.

How bout that... Escobar has as many homers as Allen Craig and V-Mart. More homers that Hosmer.

Riverbrian
05-15-2013, 01:04 PM
Oops... Hicks ain't gettin that one

amjgt
05-15-2013, 01:04 PM
I hate Adam Dunn

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 01:05 PM
Shocking. Pelfrey left one over the plate and gave up a two run homer.

Expect to see more of this now that the weather is nice.

IdahoPilgrim
05-15-2013, 01:05 PM
I'm "watching" this via MLB gameday - it looks like Pelfrey's sinker isn't. Is he leaving stuff up in the zone?

Riverbrian
05-15-2013, 01:07 PM
It looks like in and out is his game plan on te mound.

amjgt
05-15-2013, 01:25 PM
So this is going to be one of THOSE games, where nobody can get a hit when it matters.

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 01:27 PM
Will the real Mike Pelfrey please stand up.

IdahoPilgrim
05-15-2013, 01:28 PM
So this is going to be one of THOSE games, where nobody can get a hit when it matters.

Adam Dunn and Dayan Viciendo don't seem to have that trouble today.

amjgt
05-15-2013, 01:33 PM
Adam Dunn and Dayan Viciendo don't seem to have that trouble today.
Or yesterday

nicksaviking
05-15-2013, 01:38 PM
Will the real Mike Pelfrey please stand up.

I think he is. 60' 6" away from the batters unfortunately.

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 01:38 PM
Dazzle with enlightening color commentary:

"Rickey Henderson was the perfect leadoff guy for me, really."

So the best leadoff hitter in history (and it's not even close) was your perfect leadoff guy?

Good to know.

adjacent
05-15-2013, 01:50 PM
So, next roster move, DeVries for Pelfrey?

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 01:50 PM
Vance Worley > Mike Pelfrey

Mike's stats just didn't line up with those saying Worley should be demoted. At some point, Pelfrey was going to start giving up flyball and line drive moonshots and it's not surprising that it began to happen the moment he pitched in 70+ degree weather.

amjgt
05-15-2013, 01:50 PM
Dazzle with enlightening color commentary:

"Rickey Henderson was the perfect leadoff guy for me, really."

So the best leadoff hitter in history (and it's not even close) was your perfect leadoff guy?

Good to know.
That remind me of yesterday's TV broadcast...

Dick: "Joe Mauer leading the world in doubles, with 15. Justin 2nd on the team with 11........ actually Mike Napoli leads the league with 17"

Riverbrian
05-15-2013, 01:52 PM
Dazzle with enlightening color commentary:

"Rickey Henderson was the perfect leadoff guy for me, really."

So the best leadoff hitter in history (and it's not even close) was your perfect leadoff guy?

Good to know.

lol... Is there a chance... Small chance... If Gladden would have said... 2nd best leadoff hitter in history was the perfect leadoff guy for me.

Is there a chance someone would have said... What? No Henderson?

mike wants wins
05-15-2013, 01:53 PM
You tend to get what you pay for, and that's what they are getting from Pelfrey. Low risk, low reward. Not really a surprise to anyone, is it?

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 01:54 PM
Will the real Mike Pelfrey please stand up. Maybe it's just me, but I'm glad he sat down instead.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:01 PM
Howzabout we put together an inning here and get this sucker back to a tie at least?

Top Gun
05-15-2013, 02:03 PM
You get for what you ask for.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:08 PM
Holy cow Doumit. How do you swing through that pitch?

Gibby
05-15-2013, 02:10 PM
These guys really have the Killer instinct.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:11 PM
Arcia-zie no habla the off-speed caca.

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 02:13 PM
*in Ron Burgundy voice*

Well done, everybody. Really top-notch work.

mike wants wins
05-15-2013, 02:20 PM
Clutch.
Payroll.
other random key word for searches.....

Top Gun
05-15-2013, 02:24 PM
Not a bad team, as the sox zoom to the top of the standings.

Gibby
05-15-2013, 02:26 PM
Welp, I'm not wasting another minute of this beautiful day on these @%$ holes.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:38 PM
Back in the game. Let's go Morneauzie.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:41 PM
Or not.

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 02:43 PM
Or not.

Hey, they scrapped out two runs. The lineup is spent and needs a break for at least two innings.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:44 PM
Slow day in TD-land.

amjgt
05-15-2013, 02:47 PM
Hey, they scrapped out two runs. The lineup is spent and needs a break for at least two innings.

Arcia's two-run HR will put us ahead now

Brock Beauchamp
05-15-2013, 02:50 PM
Slow day in TD-land.

Pretty hard to get too fired up about a fourth place team playing a fifth place team on one of the first truly nice days we've seen in Minnesota this year.

Plus, it's a home game. Some users are probably in the stands.

Reginald Maudling's Shin
05-15-2013, 02:51 PM
That remind me of yesterday's TV broadcast...

Dick: "Joe Mauer leading the world in doubles, with 15. Justin 2nd on the team with 11........ actually Mike Napoli leads the league with 17"
I get the feeling Dick doesn't pay attention to baseball outside of his PBP duties.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 02:55 PM
Jeff F'ing Keppinger. Eduardo F'ing Escobar.

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot, Brian F'ing Duensing, for giving up an 0-2 hit, to a left handed hitter no less, to create that whole mess.

amjgt
05-15-2013, 02:57 PM
Arcia's two-run HR will put us ahead now
or not

Reginald Maudling's Shin
05-15-2013, 02:58 PM
Kind of a tough play but should at least get the glove on it.

USAFChief
05-15-2013, 03:11 PM
You can't hope to shut down Adam Dunn, all you can do is hope to contain him.

LaBombo
05-15-2013, 03:12 PM
Whatever you do, don't walk Adam Dunn, 'cause he's a strikeout machine...

amjgt
05-15-2013, 03:16 PM
Whatever you do, don't walk Adam Dunn, 'cause he's a strikeout machine...
That's what happens when you have a pitch to contact staff versus a "hope I make contact" HR hitter... 3 HR in the series with a 4th one brought back into the park.

TheLeviathan
05-15-2013, 03:19 PM
Pretty hard to get too fired up about a fourth place team playing a fifth place team on one of the first truly nice days we've seen in Minnesota this year.

Plus, it's a home game. Some users are probably in the stands.

Don't forget that thing called "work". Pesky thing on days like today.

Steve Penz
05-15-2013, 03:21 PM
This week Dunn has hit three homers left center, another to center that Hicks pulled back and a double to left center. Is it time to give up on pinging the outside corner with him? Last year at TF Blackburn tried the same thing and Dunn hit one off the 2nd deck fascia above the bullpen. Can he get those long arms and that huge bat around in time to hit a pitch on the inside? I don't know but maybe it is worth a shot. Why keep doing the same thing when it is not working?! Maybe we should engage in a land war in Asia while we are at it because that has also shown to be successful. This is killing me.

Willihammer
05-15-2013, 03:32 PM
So, Dunn isn't drawing walks anymore, but he's still hitting HRs and striking out. In other words, there isn't any reason left to throw him a strike.

nicksaviking
05-15-2013, 03:41 PM
In Dunn's at bats he either hits a home run, strikes out or walks. The Twins pitchers don't walk anyone nor do they strike them out. It doesn't take an expert to figure out the likely outcome.

Also see Jim Thome vs. Twins pitchers.

LaBombo
05-15-2013, 03:51 PM
So, Dunn isn't drawing walks anymore, but he's still hitting HRs and striking out. In other words, there isn't any reason left to throw him a strike.
Yup. Didn't realize it, but it looks like his ISO and BB% have cratered at about the same-ish rate from last year. Still, it doesn't seem like excessive hindsight to wonder why the bleeeep you pitch to him with two outs and Konerko scuffling, especially the first situation with first open behind Rios.

If a pitcher needed a tie breaker on whether to pitch to Dunn or around him, maybe it would be the fact that he's so slow that it usually takes what would normally be a double from a hitter behind him to move Dunn from 1st to 2nd...

Steve Penz
05-15-2013, 03:53 PM
So, Dunn isn't drawing walks anymore, but he's still hitting HRs and striking out. In other words, there isn't any reason left to throw him a strike.

This or at least don't throw it in a spot where he has murdered the ball all week. Its almost like giving up. Watching the same mistake happen over and over is very frustrating.

LaBombo
05-15-2013, 03:55 PM
In Dunn's at bats he either hits a home run, strikes out or walks. The Twins pitchers don't walk anyone nor do they strike them out. It doesn't take an expert to figure out the likely outcome.


Agreed, and that's a good argument for the Twins "experts" not to roll the dice on avoiding Outcome #1 when their pitchers face TTO hitters.

On second thought, maybe it's a better argument for the Twins to try a little harder to find pitchers who can generate Outcome #2.