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Brock Beauchamp
05-13-2013, 06:25 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1702-Series-Preview-Twins-vs-White-Sox-5-13-5-15

Brock Beauchamp
05-13-2013, 06:40 AM
Lineups:

Twins:
Brian Dozier 2B
Joe Mauer C
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Ryan Doumit DH
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Oswaldo Arcia RF
Aaron Hicks CF
Pedro Florimon SS
(Pedro Hernandez P)

White Sox:
Alejandro de Aza CF
Alexei Ramirez SS
Alex Rios RF
Dayan Viciedo DH
Adam Dunn 1B
Jeff Keppinger 3B
Casper Wells LF
Tyler Flowers C
Tyler Greene 2B
(Hector Santiago P)

jay
05-13-2013, 12:32 PM
Fun:
- Aaron Hicks and Adam Dunn are tied for last in BA among qualified MLB batters (.137).

- Jeff Keppinger (who some advocated for as an MI option this off-season) is the only qualified MLB batter without a single walk. He is also last in OPS by 68 points, trailing one rookie-CFer named Aaron Hicks.

- The White Sox, at a lowly 9th in the AL, have generated 46% more strikeouts than the Twins (last in AL). The Pale Hose team ERA is 2nd in the AL at 3.40.

- The White Sox are last in the AL in team OPS at .650. Only Alex Rios is above the AL average of .733.

snepp
05-13-2013, 12:55 PM
Keppinger is having a fascinating season. He's walked to the plate 125 times now, and hasn't drawn a single walk. That's amazing.

USAFChief
05-13-2013, 01:22 PM
We miss Sale. So that's good.

Oldgoat_MN
05-13-2013, 01:25 PM
We miss Sale. So that's good.

I noticed that, too.
I'm OK with that.

USAFChief
05-13-2013, 01:31 PM
Keppinger is having a fascinating season. He's walked to the plate 125 times now, and hasn't drawn a single walk. That's amazing. One of those rarest of rarities: his OBP is lower than his BA.

At least he has 2 XBHs, so his SLG is .016 higher than his BA. Take away those two doubles and he'd be pulling off quite a feat: OBP < BA while SLG = BA. My search skills are primitive at best, so I don't claim this as fact, but I can't find anyone in MLB history who has pulled that double play off for 100+ PAs.

snepp
05-13-2013, 01:42 PM
If I still had my B-ref subscription I'd run one of their super-awesome season-finder queries to see what the highest amount of PA's were to achieve that, but I'm a cheap bastard and quit renewing it.

mike wants wins
05-13-2013, 02:49 PM
Caught between a sponge and a soft space......WS hitting and Twins starting pitching.....which will break first? I say the Twins win 2, maybe 3.

JW24
05-13-2013, 04:07 PM
The Twins had a legitimate chance to go 6-1 this past week. Extra inning losses to the Red Sox and Orioles could have very easily been wins, which I look at as an encouraging sign. If they can take 4 of 6 from Chicago and Boston this week, that would be a really solid few weeks of ball.

adjacent
05-13-2013, 04:13 PM
Fun:
- Aaron Hicks and Adam Dunn are tied for last in BA among qualified MLB batters (.137).
.
Hey, Hicks's got the average, he's got the strike outs, he's got the walks, all you add is the home runs and you've got an Adam Dunn with speed.

Xavier Garcia
05-13-2013, 05:23 PM
Hey there guys I am from chicago and was planning on seeing the twins play the sox tomorrow. Unfortunately I am in the hospital so I can no longer attend. I posted the tickets on stubhub if anyone is interested. They are diamond box 121 2nd row seats 21,22 aisle.

https://www.stubhub.com/twins-vs-white-sox-5-14-2013-4169649/?ticket_id=497998426

Top Gun
05-13-2013, 06:14 PM
Liam Hendriks has been placed on the disasbled list at Triple-A Rochester due to a sore right elbow.

It could explain his struggles this season, as Hendriks holds a 5.53 ERA and 1.63 WHIP over five Triple-A starts. It's not clear at this point how long he'll be sidelined.

Source: LaVelle E. Neal on Twitt (https://twitter.com/LaVelleNeal/status/334068171084558337)

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 06:30 PM
Hey there guys I am from chicago and was planning on seeing the twins play the sox tomorrow. Unfortunately I am in the hospital so I can no longer attend. I posted the tickets on stubhub if anyone is interested. They are diamond box 121 2nd row seats 21,22 aisle.

https://www.stubhub.com/twins-vs-white-sox-5-14-2013-4169649/?ticket_id=497998426

I'm sorry to hear that... Hope all is well.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 07:19 PM
Early troubles turn into often troubles.

stringer bell
05-13-2013, 07:23 PM
A fine start for Hernandez!

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 07:24 PM
Early troubles turn into often troubles.

I feel bad for Pedro... It's looking like he needs to consider Restaurants choices in Rochester, Scranton, Syracuse, Buffalo and others.

GCTF
05-13-2013, 07:27 PM
A fine start for Hernandez!

Welle he did strike out Adam Dunn, then again, everyone does.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 07:28 PM
Welle he did strike out Adam Dunn, then again, everyone does.

Sometimes I wonder if Dunn would have the same K percentage if he hit Blindfolded.

COtwin
05-13-2013, 07:34 PM
Gibson or "Batting Tee" Hernandez. Um tough choice

stringer bell
05-13-2013, 07:34 PM
Welle he did strike out Adam Dunn, then again, everyone does.And he got Keppinger out, then again, everyone does.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 07:39 PM
Let's see how inning two goes for Pedro.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 07:43 PM
Great play by Plouffe but his feet didn't move. It'd be easier if his feet were more inclined.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 07:54 PM
I might be missing something... Rodents driving a Kia Soul... Is that supposed to make me want one?

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:00 PM
Hold those Rochester take out menus... Pedro may not need them

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:03 PM
Is this the Game Thread?

I get confused sometimes... I might have went into the West Brom discussion thread by mistake.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:03 PM
Florimon with a leadoff double...

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:04 PM
Florimon with a leadoff double...

Every Dog has his day.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:04 PM
Every Dog has his day.

c'mon that ain't fair... It's not like it was his first hit of the year.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:05 PM
c'mon that ain't fair... It's not like it was his first hit of the year.

Yeah... Let's see how excited you are about Florimon in July.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:06 PM
Yeah... Let's see how excited you are about Florimon in July.

I'm not that excited about him now... It was a nice leadoff double... He can do that every once in awhile.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 08:12 PM
Hey RB, you can stop now. Morneau needs to help Hammer out here.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:14 PM
Hey RB, you can stop now. Morneau needs to help Hammer out here.

Thank God... I was about to start typing Neil Young Lyrics.

We gotta get a couple here.

GCTF
05-13-2013, 08:16 PM
It was the best we could hope for.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:16 PM
And we catch a break... Now Doumit can fly ball us into a tie game.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:16 PM
And we catch a break... Now Doumit can fly ball us into a tie game.

Just like I drew it up... Thank you

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:17 PM
It was the best we could hope for.

its a start

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 08:18 PM
Good on you RB, new game and still threatening. And give Plouffe the green light.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:18 PM
Plouffe hit that like he was mad at it.

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 08:20 PM
I might be missing something... Rodents driving a Kia Soul... Is that supposed to make me want one?

Yes, that's the idea. Whether it works or not, well...

jokin
05-13-2013, 08:20 PM
Thank God... I was about to start typing Neil Young Lyrics.

We gotta get a couple here.

Let me help here, RB.

"Know when you see him,
Nothing can free him.
Step aside, open wide,
It's the loner."

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 08:21 PM
Is this the Game Thread?

I get confused sometimes... I might have went into the West Brom discussion thread by mistake.

They actually have had a decent year.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 08:27 PM
I would just like to point out that we are outhitting our opponent -- a rarity, even when we win.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:29 PM
Yes, that's the idea. Whether it works or not, well...

A marketing firm... Madison Avenue Office... A staff of researchers... Creative Artists drawing up story boards... Creative Copywriters... Marketing professionals with years of experience you would have to assume... Had a pitch meeting with Kia. On the line... A competed for advertising contract with a major company that is large enough to keep all these marketing professionals employed for awhile. The best of the best marketing firms all in competition for the contract.

This Pitch meeting would be huge... The people directly involved with the pitch were probably practicing in front of their bathroom mirror while shaving and putting on lip stick knowing that major revenue was on their shoulders.

in consideration of all that... I find it really strange that Rodents in a Kia Soul was the idea to pitch.

Even stranger that Rodents in a Kia Soul was what Kia bought.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:29 PM
I would just like to point out that we are outhitting our opponent -- a rarity, even when we win.

id like to point out that Hicks is hitting right handed.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 08:30 PM
id like to point out that Hicks is hitting right handed.

I'd like to point out that we are on to something.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:31 PM
They actually have had a decent year.

I thought so... It was the West Brom thread. :p

GCTF
05-13-2013, 08:33 PM
The level-headed, thought provoking posters over at WSI must be crestfallen right about now.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:39 PM
I wonder what Arcia yells to call off Dozier.

"Lo Tengo... Lo Tengo"

"Mina"

"Bola"

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 08:41 PM
Don't look now, but Hernandez is putting together a decent game after that first inning.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:43 PM
Don't look now, but Hernandez is putting together a decent game after that first inning.

I apologize... But I was looking before you typed Don't Look.

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 08:44 PM
I apologize... But I was looking before you typed Don't Look.

I'm sorry, but your mind will have to be wiped. Look into my eyes...you are getting very sleepy...

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:48 PM
I'm sorry, but your mind will have to be wiped. Look into my eyes...you are getting very sleepy...

Wow... your good!!! I am getting a little drowsy. Is that part of theological training?:cool:

I know my Pastor does that to me as well. :D

jokin
05-13-2013, 08:50 PM
I apologize... But I was looking before you typed Don't Look.

Is it too early to take credit for Pedro-domination?

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:53 PM
Is it too early to take credit for Pedro-domination?

On a game thread... You take all the credit you want... Premature or belated or right on time.

The only thing that is not allowed are obvious jinxes.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 08:54 PM
On a game thread... You take all the credit you want... Premature or belated or right on time.

The only thing that is not allowed are obvious jinxes.

And Jokin... After the Ramirez double... I'm not so sure that a jinx was not just leveled by you.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:02 PM
Hicks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:03 PM
Play of the year, right there. Wow!

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:03 PM
That catch by Hicks... That really helps you win games.

Fatt Crapps
05-13-2013, 09:03 PM
Hicksie!!

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:06 PM
Hicks x2!

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:06 PM
Oh My... Hicks isn't on this planet anymore.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:07 PM
Didn't know I was tuning in to the Aaron Hicks show.

Fatt Crapps
05-13-2013, 09:07 PM
Bert is taking credit for Hick's big day.

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stringer bell
05-13-2013, 09:07 PM
Maybe a few of us can pitch in now RB. Holy cow! What a catch by Hicks. That will keep his average higher than Dunn. It also keeps Hernandez with a chance for a win (on his way to Rochester).

Westgaard66
05-13-2013, 09:08 PM
The kid is playing a helluva game!

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:08 PM
Didn't know I was tuning in to the Aaron Hicks show.

Like it was written by Aaron Hicks himself

jokin
05-13-2013, 09:09 PM
Bert is taking credit for Hick's big day.

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I think it's just Hicks responding big to the Antoan Richardson potential roster challenge.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:10 PM
Like it was written by Aaron Hicks himself
I like it better than the hamster commercial.

stringer bell
05-13-2013, 09:12 PM
Hicks 2 HR plus one HR stolen, so I guess he is a net +3.

TheLeviathan
05-13-2013, 09:17 PM
If this is the Hicks we can all look forward too....then damn. I mean....Damn.

He put a charge into that ball.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:17 PM
Hicks 2 HR plus one HR stolen, so I guess he is a net +3.

Hicks For today...
Wins above replacement--Fangraphs--- 12.4
Wins above replacement--Baseball Reference--- 6.7
Wins above replacement-- Baseball Prospectus--- 8.6

​I made those numbers up... Hicks has done good tonight.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 09:18 PM
haven't had the chance to boo a.j. yet. disappointing.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:20 PM
haven't had the chance to boo a.j. yet. disappointing.

I used to boo him every morning... Even during the winter months... Now he's a Ranger and I'm OK with him again.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:26 PM
Let me help here, RB.

"Know when you see him,
Nothing can free him.
Step aside, open wide,
It's the loner."

Nailed it!!!

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:27 PM
Mauer should have scored on the Doumit grounder

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:29 PM
Mauer should have scored on the Doumit grounder
Unless he went on contact, which he wasn't, then Dunn would have had him (with a good throw). Sucks anyway. But nice to see Morneau with a two bagger.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:29 PM
Mauer should have scored on the Doumit grounder

No kidding. We seem to have a lot of base running gaffes. What ever happened to the Twins that played the game right?

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:30 PM
Unless he went on contact, which he wasn't, then Dunn would have had him (with a good throw). Sucks anyway. But nice to see Morneau with a two bagger.

The way Dunn was stumbling and bumbling around, he never would have got him at the plate. He looked like the 50 year old me making that play.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 09:31 PM
Mauer should have scored on the Doumit grounder

bilateral leg weakness, dude. bilateral leg weakness.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:33 PM
Unless he went on contact, which he wasn't, then Dunn would have had him (with a good throw). Sucks anyway. But nice to see Morneau with a two bagger.

Mauer should be taking a secondary lead with the pitch... once contact is made... If Dunn gets to that ball... His momentum is going the wrong way... If it gets through to the 2B... It should be deep enough that 2B throws to 1st for the sure out.

Mauer or Vavra has to be able to read that.

snepp
05-13-2013, 09:37 PM
I missed the Hicks show, we had a barn-burner of a t-ball game.

I think we won.....23-22.

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 09:38 PM
I'm not watching it live, and I'm no expert on proper technique, but...

Up by 3, bottom of 7th, Plouffe coming up...I'm OK with not trying to run aggressively there. I'd rather have Plouffe hitting with runners on 2nd and 3rd than leading off with bases empty the next inning if Mauer gets thrown out at the plate.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:38 PM
I missed the Hicks show, we had a barn-burner of a t-ball game.

I think we won.....23-22.

Any dribblers that went for a home run?

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:38 PM
He better not give him anything to hit.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 09:39 PM
I missed the Hicks show, we had a barn-burner of a t-ball game.

I think we won.....23-22.

didn't think scores were kept in t-ball anymore.

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 09:41 PM
didn't think scores were kept in t-ball anymore.

Don't fool yourself - every kid on the field knows what the score is, whether it is kept "officially" or not.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:42 PM
Don't fool yourself - every kid on the field knows what the score is, whether it is kept "officially" or not.

The ones not filling their glove with sand and using it as a catapult anyway.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:42 PM
I'm not watching it live, and I'm no expert on proper technique, but...

Up by 3, bottom of 7th, Plouffe coming up...I'm OK with not trying to run aggressively there. I'd rather have Plouffe hitting with runners on 2nd and 3rd than leading off with bases empty the next inning if Mauer gets thrown out at the plate.

i went back and looked at it again... I was wrong... Infield was in... Mauer had no idea that Dunn would stumble in front of the 2B.

Mauer was right to hold.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 09:43 PM
Don't fool yourself - every kid on the field knows what the score is, whether it is kept "officially" or not.

sweet. all my teams won a million to zero

Brad Swanson
05-13-2013, 09:43 PM
He better not give him anything to hit.

What did I miss tonight? I was watching old Deadliest Catch episodes on Netflix.

Awesome dog, by the way.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:44 PM
So that's why the Sox are in last.

GCTF
05-13-2013, 09:44 PM
4 years later and the Sox are still losing balls in the roof.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:44 PM
White Sox are playing bad baseball!!! I love it.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:44 PM
Good hustle Arcia, too many batters would jog to first and let up.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 09:44 PM
that was me, playing for the white sox :(

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:46 PM
What did I miss tonight? I was watching old Deadliest Catch episodes on Netflix.

Awesome dog, by the way.
Thanks, she is a great dog.
Its been the Aaron hicks show, with him hitting 2 dingers and stealing one from Dunn.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 09:46 PM
4 years later and the Sox are still losing balls in the roof.

harf

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:49 PM
Nice bunt.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:49 PM
Florimon can do some things.

snepp
05-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Any dribblers that went for a home run?

I think just about every dribbler could probably go for a home run at this point.

4061

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:50 PM
Bummer DP

GCTF
05-13-2013, 09:51 PM
One of Snepp's t-ball dudes could've done that.

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:51 PM
I hope Willingham makes him pay for that walk.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:51 PM
Hammer is the only one without a hit, but he'll get his chance again. He needs to come through and get out of his slump.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:52 PM
I think just about every dribbler could probably go for a home run at this point.

4061

T-Ball... I remember it well. On Defense... 1 or 2 kids would chase down every ball... 11 or 12 other kids would let them.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:55 PM
We ain't done yet... Morneau has been RBI'ing it lately.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:56 PM
We ain't done yet... Morneau has been RBI'ing it lately.

Thank You thank you.

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 09:57 PM
Cool!!

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:57 PM
All cilinders firing!

snepp
05-13-2013, 09:57 PM
There's no feeling better* in the world than trouncing the White Sox.



*PG-13 anyway

Gibby
05-13-2013, 09:58 PM
I have to imagine Justin must be getting some crap from his wife about that cheesy mustache.

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 09:58 PM
I just moved ahead of Jokin on the prediction meter.

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 09:59 PM
There's no feeling better* in the world than trouncing the White Sox.



*PG-13 anyway

Well, a triple-meat pizza with extra cheese comes close, but OK, I'll give that one to you.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 09:59 PM
There's no feeling better* in the world than trouncing the White Sox.



*PG-13 anyway

* while trouncing the sox?

Riverbrian
05-13-2013, 10:00 PM
I have to imagine Justin must be getting some crap from his wife about that cheesy mustache.

If she is like most wife's... Yes I think so.

Ive been hit in the head by a can of Barbesol while sitting on the coach watching a Twins game.

No words exchanged... I picked up the can... And went straight for my razor.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 10:00 PM
hicks will fly to ron gant's house and tackle him for good measure

Gibby
05-13-2013, 10:03 PM
If she is like most wife's... Yes I think so.

Ive been hit in the head by a can of Barbesol while sitting on the coach watching a Twins game.

No words exchanged... I picked up the can... And went straight for my razor.
At least she was subtle about it.

Ultima Ratio
05-13-2013, 10:05 PM
Ball game. Yes sir.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 10:10 PM
hahah did you see how awkwardly hicks fell he must be so embarrassed lol

Gibby
05-13-2013, 10:11 PM
Well, a triple-meat pizza with extra cheese comes close, but OK, I'll give that one to you.

Now I cant get my mind off pizza.

snepp
05-13-2013, 10:13 PM
Keppinger article on Fangraphs.


How Close Jeff Keppinger Has Come | FanGraphs Baseball (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-close-jeff-keppinger-has-come/)

Joe A. Preusser
05-13-2013, 10:14 PM
hahah did you see how awkwardly hicks fell he must be so embarrassed lol
No way he's embarrassed, he's jacked up! I hate to say I told you all so...ok, so I love to say it, but that is why you let these guys work things out instead of panicking and running them back down to AAA.

crarko
05-13-2013, 10:17 PM
Hicks might be out of the doghouse now. :D

IdahoPilgrim
05-13-2013, 10:18 PM
No way he's embarrassed, he's jacked up! I hate to say I told you all so...ok, so I love to say it, but that is why you let these guys work things out instead of panicking and running them back down to AAA.

With respect, I don't think the discussion of sending him down indicated any panic from anyone. He started abysmally, and it was a legitimate possibility to raise up. That being said, I'm glad he's starting to respond, and let's give credit to the Twins who did keep him up.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 10:32 PM
No way he's embarrassed, he's jacked up! I hate to say I told you all so...ok, so I love to say it, but that is why you let these guys work things out instead of panicking and running them back down to AAA.


oh yes, he's embarrassed. just like the griffey jr. and michael madsen films of old, these guys CRASHED into the walls. one of them even died. this isn't funny.

LaBombo
05-13-2013, 10:47 PM
I hate to say I told you all so...ok, so I love to say it, but that is why you let these guys work things out instead of panicking and running them back down to AAA.
Told us what? That he'd still be in way over his head in mid-May?

We're all happy for Hicksie's big night, and I'm sure I'll take plenty of heat for my timing for this. But anyone who's paying attention to how he's doing knows that he's still utterly helpless against right-handed pitchers (.128/.227/.179). That's horrific. And it's still little better than a coin flip whether he'll start in or out on balls hit in front of him.

Again, happy for Hicks that he had the huge game, and I hope and believe he can get it together, preferably at AAA. But the notion that tonight represents even a sliver of validation that the Twins made anything less than a big mistake by having Hicks start the season in the majors and stay despite still being overmatched after 6 weeks... easily a Preposterous Statement of the Year nomination.

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 10:58 PM
have to call my cell from my land line to find it i must be 80

buckninetyone
05-13-2013, 11:21 PM
oh there it is "airwolf" theme song

jay
05-14-2013, 09:34 AM
Hey, Hicks's got the average, he's got the strike outs, he's got the walks, all you add is the home runs and you've got an Adam Dunn with speed.

Prognosticator of the Day Award Winner.