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Brock Beauchamp
04-29-2013, 07:03 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1642-Series-Preview-Twins-Tigers-4-29

Brock Beauchamp
04-29-2013, 07:06 AM
Lineups:

Twins:
Brian Dozier 2B
Joe Mauer C
Josh Willingham DH
Justin Morneau 1B
Chris Parmelee RF
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Oswaldo Arcia LF
Aaron Hicks CF
Pedro Florimon SS
(Mike Pelfrey P)

Tigers:
Austin Jackson CF
Andy Dirks LF
Miguel Cabrera 3B
Prince Fielder 1B
Victor Martinez DH
Jhonny Peralta SS
Alex Avila C
Omar Infante 2B
Don Kelly RF
(Max Scherzer P)

Chance
04-29-2013, 07:52 AM
The scary thing with Pelfrey is he's even keeping the ball in the park. No home runs allowed. A WHIP of 2.00 is worse than just terrible luck. He may have some things to work on yet post surgery. He is a decent pitcher but is missing something at the moment. I hope he finds it.

Vance is rebounding but he will have his work cut out for him against verlander again. I hope he evens the score.

Diamond should give us a solid start again and keep us in it.

We should be happy to walk away from this series 1-2 but it isn't impossible to win another against them 2-1.

last thought: twins could be looking at 30+ strike outs against these 3 unless we get one to exit early.

jimbo92107
04-29-2013, 10:28 AM
I agree with Chance. Pelfrey has to be missing something post surgery. My first guess would be that he's being a little mechanical in his delivery, trying not to re-injure his elbow, and that is taking away a little of his movement. If that's true, then more reps and warmer weather may help Pelfrey get back into a relaxed rhythm, and then his pitches will move more. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.

Ultima Ratio
04-29-2013, 11:30 AM
Best chance to take one will be Diamond vs. Sanchez IMO.

Ultima Ratio
04-29-2013, 11:34 AM
It certainly will be interesting since all the three games are being played tonight, at the same time -- if the preview is correct. Never thought I'd see the day of an instantaneous triple-header. :p

Oldgoat_MN
04-29-2013, 02:18 PM
It certainly will be interesting since all the three games are being played tonight, at the same time -- if the preview is correct. Never thought I'd see the day of an instantaneous triple-header. :p

Hmm. Thanks for pointing that out. i was going to watch tonight but that sounds too difficult for my old eyes.

Guess I'll just read the recaps tomorrow.

Riverbrian
04-29-2013, 02:54 PM
I agree with Chance. Pelfrey has to be missing something post surgery. My first guess would be that he's being a little mechanical in his delivery, trying not to re-injure his elbow, and that is taking away a little of his movement. If that's true, then more reps and warmer weather may help Pelfrey get back into a relaxed rhythm, and then his pitches will move more. That's what I'm hoping, anyway.

With Pelfrey... I think getting better will start with keeping the ball down.

His two-seamer is his bread and butter. Those things get tattooed up in the zone. Up in the zone it's nothing more than a flat fastball. Down in the zone... You get better downward movement and grounders.

I'll simply be watching for how he works the bottom of the zone. If he doesn't find it... The Tigers will have some fun today.

I think he can do it... I'm hoping anyway.

Chance
04-29-2013, 04:49 PM
With Pelfrey... I think getting better will start with keeping the ball down.

His two-seamer is his bread and butter. Those things get tattooed up in the zone. Up in the zone it's nothing more than a flat fastball. Down in the zone... You get better downward movement and grounders.

I'll simply be watching for how he works the bottom of the zone. If he doesn't find it... The Tigers will have some fun today.

I think he can do it... I'm hoping anyway.

can you keep us who are unable to watch informed on how his pitches look? I've only been able to see his pitch track on MLB.com so I'm unable to have a fair evaluation of him. If anyone is watching today let us know about how his pitches look. I feel that is more important than results at this stage of his comeback.

Chance
04-29-2013, 04:51 PM
I would also like to see Escobar get a couple of consecutive starts pretty soon.

crarko
04-29-2013, 06:15 PM
Hammertime makes us happy.

GCTF
04-29-2013, 06:16 PM
Willingham homers. BTW the game has started.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:19 PM
Trying a different avatar for Pelf tonight.

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 06:24 PM
Trying a different avatar for Pelf tonight.
Looks better than the one you debuted over the weekend, I'll say that.

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 06:25 PM
Is it just me, or does every half inning from Pelfrey seem like a root canal sans anesthesia?

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:25 PM
Looks better than the one you debuted over the weekend, I'll say that.

We save her in case we need a late inning rally. Arcia liked her.

mikeee
04-29-2013, 06:26 PM
Trying a different avatar for Pelf tonight.

Bring some duct tape too.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:26 PM
Is it just me, or does every half inning from Pelfrey seem like a root canal sans anesthesia?

If that's what it's going to be like, I'm cancelling my dentist appointment.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:30 PM
A single and a walk in one inning of work puts his game WHIP at 2.0, which brings his seasonal WHIP to... uh, 2.00.

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 06:32 PM
A single and a walk in one inning of work puts his game WHIP at 2.0, which brings his seasonal WHIP to... uh, 2.00. I am simple cave man baseball fan, I frightened by your magical voodoo math and fancy talk.

big dog
04-29-2013, 06:33 PM
That looked like a pretty low pitch to Parmalee, caught looking. Nice single by Plouffe. Let's knock this guy around.

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 06:33 PM
Plouffe-sie 1-1 at the plate and errorless in the field. Gardy's a motivational genius.

Ultima Ratio
04-29-2013, 06:35 PM
That looked like a pretty low pitch to Parmalee, caught looking. Nice single by Plouffe. Let's knock this guy around.

Second called strike to Parm was low away slider. Not called a strike for Pelf in the Vmart AB. Seriously, same exact location and pitch -- both were sliders.

Ultima Ratio
04-29-2013, 06:36 PM
That gives Arcia a SPEED of .89

SpiritofVodkaDave
04-29-2013, 06:39 PM
Hicks has looked more confident at the plate as of late.

big dog
04-29-2013, 06:40 PM
And...an RBI for Hicks.

SpiritofVodkaDave
04-29-2013, 06:40 PM
Good at bat by Hicks.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:41 PM
Twins first five batters this inning hacking at the first pitch. Bruno's working some kind of voodoo tonight?

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 06:43 PM
A run from the 5-9 portion of the order. Me like.

big dog
04-29-2013, 06:44 PM
Florimon bounces one off Scherzer's back. That might have hurt. Too bad he made a nice recovery to throw him out.

big dog
04-29-2013, 06:46 PM
Hicks now tied with Dozier and Mauer for 3rd on the team with 8 RBI. Seems hard to believe.

SpiritofVodkaDave
04-29-2013, 06:46 PM
Twins first five batters this inning hacking at the first pitch. Bruno's working some kind of voodoo tonight?

Smart coaching when going against a strike out pitcher.

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 06:49 PM
Watching the Tigers b'cast. "Pace of game" with Pelfrey on the mound is the current topic of discussion.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:49 PM
I am simple cave man baseball fan, I frightened by your magical voodoo math and fancy talk.

WHIP: So Easy A Cave Man Can Compute It

big dog
04-29-2013, 06:50 PM
Florimon dropped an easy ball but threw a flame to get the runner. Pelfrey out of the inning without a baserunner. Whatever voodoo Brunansky is workin'...I like.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 06:53 PM
Florimon dropped an easy ball but threw a flame to get the runner. Pelfrey out of the inning without a baserunner. Whatever voodoo Brunansky is workin'...I like.

Hey Bruno, now go do... that voodoo... that YOU do... SO WELL.

Fatt Crapps
04-29-2013, 06:54 PM
I am simple cave man baseball fan, I frightened by your magical voodoo math and fancy talk.

3924

SpiritofVodkaDave
04-29-2013, 06:57 PM
3924
saved!

USAFChief
04-29-2013, 07:05 PM
Ruh-roh.

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:05 PM
Dierks with a home run. What are the odds that Pelfrey gave up a homer, and it was a solo shot???

glunn
04-29-2013, 07:11 PM
I did not realize that the game was starting so early, but we have to be pleased with the score so far, correct?

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:13 PM
Very pleased. Way above expectation, especially since the strike zone for Scherzer seems to be at least an inch lower than for Pelfrey. Parmalee really hit that ball, short-hopped the wall in center. Let's drive him in.

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:15 PM
Sweet! Arcia w/ the opposite field double. 3-1.

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:18 PM
Hicks just took one of those low, low, low strikes for strike three.

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:19 PM
My question is, is how Pelfrey hasn't given up more runs to these guys with the lineup they have.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:20 PM
Maybe Parmelee said something that crossed a line when he struck out, and now anything close down there will be a strike.

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:23 PM
The one thing Pelfrey has going for him right now is the speed variation between his fastball and curveball- it's a full 20 mph difference between the two.

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:23 PM
Pelfrey's had good movement on his pitches, and seems to be changing speeds pretty well.

Speeds on the last few pitches: 81, 85, 91. And another 1-2-3 inning.

He's channeling his inner KC.

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:25 PM
Seriously, Joe Mauer has been hot-and-cold a lot this year. Currently on a ridiculous slump (for him, anyway) after batting like .400 for a week

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:27 PM
That was a beautiful drag bunt by Florimon. Tigers commentator calling it a perfect bunt.

Ultima Ratio
04-29-2013, 07:27 PM
Scherzer dive/digger lol.

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:27 PM
I think Gardy and Ryan are trying to bring back the Piranhas with Escobar, Florimon and Dozier. I certainly like the approach.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:28 PM
SPEED by the Florimonster!

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:29 PM
Dozier had one of those low pitches called a ball.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:33 PM
Dozier had one of those low pitches called a ball.

Maybe the ump is over whatever hissy fit it was.

Pius Jefferson
04-29-2013, 07:34 PM
Seriously, Joe Mauer has been hot-and-cold a lot this year. Currently on a ridiculous slump (for him, anyway) after batting like .400 for a week

This is only the second time in his career he's gone four consecutive games without getting a hit. The other time was back in August of 07 and he still managed four walks.

Monkeypaws
04-29-2013, 07:35 PM
Loving Coomer's hitting insight tonight - the Twins should add him to Dick and Bert; get the insight from both sides of the pitch, and probably beaucoup yuks.

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:41 PM
Loving Coomer's hitting insight tonight - the Twins should add him to Dick and Bert; get the insight from both sides of the pitch, and probably beaucoup yuks.
I have always been a big Coom fan

stringer bell
04-29-2013, 07:43 PM
I was looking forward to Coom's analysis. Bert doesn't know anything about hitting and Coomer does. Smalley is pretty good, too. Laudner is terrible.

J-Dog Dungan
04-29-2013, 07:44 PM
Pelf seems to have gotten a little better at wriggling out of trouble.

big dog
04-29-2013, 07:44 PM
I like Smalley quite a bit, but Coom's ok.

Tigers get 2 hits, including a triple, but no runs thanks to double play. Pelf is doing well. Think he comes out for the 6th, or does Gardy turn it over to the pen?

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:46 PM
Pelf seems to have gotten a little better at wriggling out of trouble.

The double play turned out to be timely, considering the triple that followed.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:47 PM
Pelf is doing well. Think he comes out for the 6th, or does Gardy turn it over to the pen?

Pitch count being low, I suspect he continues. I hope it's a short short leash.

glunn
04-29-2013, 07:56 PM
Pitch count being low, I suspect he continues. I hope it's a short short leash.

The pen should be well rested, and I agree that the leash should be short.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:59 PM
The pen should be well rested, and I agree that the leash should be short.

So now what? Two men on, none out, as I type this.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 07:59 PM
Crap.

crarko
04-29-2013, 08:00 PM
Oooops.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 08:00 PM
Oops, I said a bad word, and now the moderator has been called in. I blame Prince Fielder.

Shane Wahl
04-29-2013, 08:00 PM
ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not having Duensing ready for that. NONE.

glunn
04-29-2013, 08:01 PM
Oops, I said a bad word, and now the moderator has been called in. I blame Prince Fielder.

I blame your new avatar. Fielder was merely the beneficiary.

crarko
04-29-2013, 08:02 PM
ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for not having Duensing ready for that. NONE.

Yup. Bad planning there.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 08:03 PM
I blame your new avatar. Fielder was merely the beneficiary.

Well, now we need a rally. By trial and error, I've found the pretty ones don't work for that purpose. Beware.

snepp
04-29-2013, 08:03 PM
0-2 double.



Chief, you're up!

snepp
04-29-2013, 08:05 PM
My question is, is how Pelfrey hasn't given up more runs to these guys with the lineup they have.

I officially blame you.


Bad dog, bad.

Shane Wahl
04-29-2013, 08:05 PM
Goddamn it. I was actually saying out loud as I drunkenly watch this game: DUENSING'S gotta be ready for this. And then I see Anderson trot out instead . . . unbelievably terrible.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 08:06 PM
Goddamn it. I was actually saying out loud as I drunkenly watch this game: DUENSING'S gotta be ready for this. And then I see Anderson trot out instead . . . unbelievably terrible.

Anderson doesn't even have a good fastball anymore.

snepp
04-29-2013, 08:07 PM
Pelf seems to have gotten a little better at wriggling out of trouble.

I re-officially re-blame you.


:p

stringer bell
04-29-2013, 08:08 PM
Looks like the leash was a bit too long.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 08:09 PM
Looks like the leash was a bit too long.

And it's not even second guessing to say "exactly one batter too long".

Monkeypaws
04-29-2013, 08:11 PM
Gardy needs to remember this guy is < 1 year from Tommy John. Too bad, Pelfrey deserved better.

diehardtwinsfan
04-29-2013, 08:13 PM
We save her in case we need a late inning rally. Arcia liked her.

We need a thread where you post your various avatars... or maybe we don't....

mikeee
04-29-2013, 08:19 PM
Hope there are some chinks in the Tiger's pen....

GCTF
04-29-2013, 08:27 PM
Hope there are some chinks in the Tiger's pen....

wat?

Ultima Ratio
04-29-2013, 08:30 PM
Hope there are some chinks in the Tiger's pen....

Interesting. To each his own I suppose.

Top Gun
04-29-2013, 08:37 PM
what is this? what a mess we got here.

Monkeypaws
04-29-2013, 08:37 PM
Love these Tiger starters - Max Scherzer makes me think of old-time New York three team baseball. Old-time baseball.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 08:48 PM
We need a thread where you post your various avatars... or maybe we don't....

I'd been thinking about doing a blog entry, though it seemed self-indulgent and off-topic to go there.

Rally avatar is up. Was good for 3 runs the other day, only need 2 now so I am hopeful.

/edit: Morneau does not like her.

/edit^2: and neither does Parms.

B Richard
04-29-2013, 08:54 PM
I hope Benoit is coming in, that guy is a clown

snepp
04-29-2013, 08:56 PM
/edit: Morneau does not like her.

/edit^2: and neither does Parms.

/edit^3 neither do I.

deanlambrecht
04-29-2013, 08:56 PM
Pretty sure mikeee means "chink" as in "chink in the fence," etc...

Chink - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chink)

Heck, even Shakespeare is famous for using it... SCENE I. Athens. The palace of THESEUS. (http://shakespeare.mit.edu/midsummer/midsummer.5.1.html)

GCTF
04-29-2013, 08:57 PM
I hope Benoit is coming in, that guy is a clown

Clown > Plouffe

Top Gun
04-29-2013, 08:58 PM
well that's how you blow it, get that avatar out of here, your the clowns now.

snepp
04-29-2013, 09:08 PM
Oh Smalley, their offense is already plenty offensive.

Shane Wahl
04-29-2013, 09:08 PM
Gardy needs to remember this guy is < 1 year from Tommy John. Too bad, Pelfrey deserved better.

Yes he did. It was a good outing through five. There is no reason to push it. There is no reason, also, with a rested bullpen to not have a lefty and a righty ready to go early in the sixth. One or both were going to be pitching in the seventh anyway if Pelfrey was fine. But he wasn't and SOMEHOW Duensing wasn't ready to face Fielder. That is just inexcusable managing.

ashburyjohn
04-29-2013, 09:36 PM
well that's how you blow it, get that avatar out of here, your the clowns now.

Probably, but if someone had gotten on, Arcia came next, and she helped with that home run the other night. :)

glunn
04-29-2013, 09:57 PM
I put the blame for this loss 75% on Gardenhire for not pulling Pelfrey, 20% on the hitters for not creating more runs and 5% on John for poor avatar management.

snepp
04-29-2013, 10:17 PM
I put the blame for this loss 75% on Gardenhire for not pulling Pelfrey, 20% on the hitters for not creating more runs and 5% on John for poor avatar management.

And 10% on J-dog.



What can I say, they gave 110% tonight.

ashburyjohn
04-30-2013, 03:44 PM
Dierks with a home run. What are the odds that Pelfrey gave up a homer, and it was a solo shot???

I happened to come back to this mid-game comment, and had to laff.