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Seth Stohs
03-28-2012, 10:25 AM
Twins Lineup:

Denard Span CF
Jamey Carroll SS
Joe Mauer C
Justin Morneau DH
Josh Willingham LF
Luke Hughes 1B
Danny Valencia 3B
Ben Revere RF
Alexi Casilla 2B

SP Francisco Liriano

Phillies Lineup:

Jimmy Rollins SS
Carlos Ruiz C
Hunter Pence RF
Ty Wigginton 3B
Hector Luna 1B
John Mayberry Jr CF
Luis Montanez LF
Miguel Abreu 2B
Vance Worley RHP

Gernzy
03-28-2012, 11:38 AM
Revere in RF. We'll see if he has a chance to make some plays.

Gardy32
03-28-2012, 11:40 AM
I see the Phils got their A lineup in today........ Hopefully Frankie can keep 'em quiet.

TwinVike61
03-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Revere in RF. We'll see if he has a chance to make some plays.

In Bollinger's recap of yesterday's game he said "the Twins executed a great relay, as Ben Revere got the ball to Alexi Casilla who threw Andino out at third." I'm curious about whether Casilla had to position himself 100 feet further out as someone suggested or if Revere found his missing arm.

Seth Stohs
03-28-2012, 12:08 PM
John Shipley just tweeted that in the AAA game, Trevor Plouffe is 3-3 with a double and two home runs. Not too bad!

Yoshii
03-28-2012, 12:16 PM
John Shipley just tweeted that in the AAA game, Trevor Plouffe is 3-3 with a double and two home runs. Not too bad!

What does this mean for Revere? Back to AAA to start the season?

rinkratfrits
03-28-2012, 12:17 PM
I still can't believe the team is believing that Revere is a major leaguer! Plouffe can hit. Revere cannot. Then throw in the fact that he can't throw, it blows my mind!

Yoshii
03-28-2012, 12:20 PM
Morneau Homer!!! #3!

Seth Stohs
03-28-2012, 12:21 PM
What does this mean for Revere? Back to AAA to start the season?

I don't think one 3-3 game will alter what anything means for Revere. My guess is he's up as the 4th OF and pinch runner... Plouffe likely the 5th OF and pinch hitter.

Twins Fan From Afar
03-28-2012, 12:23 PM
Wow, continues to be a great week for the big guy!

Seth Stohs
03-28-2012, 12:24 PM
According to Dustin Morse, Trevor Plouffe was 4-4 with a double and THREE home runs in that AAA game against the Orioles.

rinkratfrits
03-28-2012, 12:24 PM
I don't think one 3-3 game will alter what anything means for Revere. My guess is he's up as the 4th OF and pinch runner... Plouffe likely the 5th OF and pinch hitter.


Does this bother anyone else? Besides his range, what does Revere offer?

Twins Fan From Afar
03-28-2012, 12:25 PM
I still can't believe the team is believing that Revere is a major leaguer! Plouffe can hit. Revere cannot. Then throw in the fact that he can't throw, it blows my mind!

Well, perhaps he's not a starting MLB outfielder, but he can track down fly balls that Plouffe could not reach, and he can steal bases at a good clip (and just generally run faster than Plouffe can), all of which are important attributes for a major leaguer. He'll probably be pretty good off the bench.

James
03-28-2012, 12:28 PM
Well, perhaps he's not a starting MLB outfielder, but he can track down fly balls that Plouffe could not reach, and he can steal bases at a good clip (and just generally run faster than Plouffe can), all of which are important attributes for a major leaguer. He'll probably be pretty good off the bench.
Well said.

edavis0308
03-28-2012, 12:32 PM
Does this bother anyone else? Besides his range, what does Revere offer?

If hitting .300 at each minor leaguer classifies as not hitting...then...I wish he could not hit as a 4th OF on the team.

EDIT: I'm not saying I want him to make the team, but if you could guarantee me he was going to hit .300+ and have 30-40+ steals...

rinkratfrits
03-28-2012, 12:35 PM
Well, perhaps he's not a starting MLB outfielder, but he can track down fly balls that Plouffe could not reach, and he can steal bases at a good clip (and just generally run faster than Plouffe can), all of which are important attributes for a major leaguer. He'll probably be pretty good off the bench.


TFFA - My opinion is that they should put the time into Benson and Hicks, not Revere. I'm not saying that Revere doesn't have his uses, but how often do you need just a glove and range in the OF? If you bring him in as a defensive replacement, what good is that if a guy gets on second? A single will always score that run. Plouffe has his problems too, I'm not denying that. I just think that it's time the Twins started to think about out-scoring their opponents now because the pitching staff is going to need it. Plouffe can produce more runs than Revere can save.

Gernzy
03-28-2012, 12:36 PM
Morneau Homer!!! #3!

Just got back from lunch and saw this. Got to love it! Morneau might be a good fantasy waiver pickup.

Twins Fan From Afar
03-28-2012, 12:41 PM
TFFA - My opinion is that they should put the time into Benson and Hicks, not Revere. I'm not saying that Revere doesn't have his uses, but how often do you need just a glove and range in the OF? If you bring him in as a defensive replacement, what good is that if a guy gets on second? A single will always score that run. Plouffe has his problems too, I'm not denying that. I just think that it's time the Twins started to think about out-scoring their opponents now because the pitching staff is going to need it. Plouffe can produce more runs than Revere can save.

That's fair enough. I just think that some people that rag on Revere's poor arm or lack of power/OBP (both valid and significant faults, mind you) fail to acknowledge the fact that he's one of the few in the lineup that can score from first base on ball in the gap, or can be called on to steal second in a pinch, and have a pretty good shot at doing so. Parker Hageman had a good post several months ago, using some advanced defensive stats, that basically indicated (I'm really paraphrasing) that, what Revere lacks as a result of the arm he makes up for by having exceptional range.

But I agree in the sense that he's probably not the guy you want a sacrifice fly hit to if it's a tie game, and the winning run is on third!

wavedog
03-28-2012, 12:42 PM
Revere might have more value as a bench player than starter: Defensive replacement, pinch-runner, pinch-hitter to start off an inning.

Twins Fan From Afar
03-28-2012, 12:44 PM
Was anyone on base for Morneau?

TwinVike61
03-28-2012, 12:47 PM
Was anyone on base for Morneau?

Joe Mauer.

Sprtsgam3
03-28-2012, 12:54 PM
This team if healthy will have no problems scoring runs. Also remember this is basically the same starting staff that the Twins had in 2010. I know players have changed but whenever people give this team no chance they strive. Like in 08 after losing Hunter and Santana. 09 as well. I know it will be tough against the Tigers but the Twins have surprised us before.

Gernzy
03-28-2012, 01:00 PM
Anyone else's Gameday stop updating?

TwinVike61
03-28-2012, 01:04 PM
Anyone else's Gameday stop updating?

The MLB scoreboard was stuck at the bottom of the 3rd with Mauer batting but it just updated to Like Hughes fly out to end it.

mikeee
03-28-2012, 01:04 PM
Anyone else's Gameday stop updating?

mine is in the top of the 4th

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 01:22 PM
Mauer/Morneau rbi singles, Morneau now 3-3.

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 01:23 PM
8-1 on Willingham Sac Fly

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 01:25 PM
Hughes 3 run dinger. H-O-T

Gernzy
03-28-2012, 01:27 PM
Got to love days when everyone hits.

striker_86
03-28-2012, 01:29 PM
wow 11-1, this is nice. Morneau is starting to pick it up. Carroll has had a nice week too! Now if Frank can get out of this game with giving up only a run....

Twins Fan From Afar
03-28-2012, 01:30 PM
I think Morneau's on a quest to bat .300 by the end of ST.

Yoshii
03-28-2012, 01:30 PM
I really hope hughes gets a spot on the 25-man opening day roster...

TwinVike61
03-28-2012, 01:33 PM
I really hope hughes gets a spot on the 25-man opening day roster...

It seems like he's already locked up the utility infielder spot.

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 01:35 PM
wow 11-1, this is nice. Morneau is starting to pick it up. Carroll has had a nice week too! Now if Frank can get out of this game with giving up only a run....

RBI double in the 5th, Liriano hooked.

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 01:38 PM
It seems like he's already locked up the utility infielder spot.

Since Hughes can play 3 spots, I don't think the Twins will keep Burroughs. I expect Butera to make the team.

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 01:41 PM
Duensing strands runner at 2nd. 11-2 through 4 1/2.

James
03-28-2012, 01:55 PM
Dinkleman! In for Span and has switched to RF.

Dinkleman has got to be one of my favorite player names to yell during a game.

J-Dog Dungan
03-28-2012, 01:56 PM
I'll take Morneau as a DH if he keeps hitting like this...good way to keep his bat in the lineup most days, except when Joe needs a break, and he would be a killer bat to come off the bench in a big situation if he really can no longer play 1st with these worries about his concussion

Ultima Ratio
03-28-2012, 02:06 PM
Liriano was sufficient, not efficient today.

J-Dog Dungan
03-28-2012, 02:12 PM
Giving up only two runs to the Phillies "A" lineup (minus Howard), and no home runs, with the offense scoring eleven runs, the twins will take it. The twins will also be happy that he struck out three and only walked one.

TwinVike61
03-28-2012, 02:22 PM
Yikes!!! Is that really Perkins who gave up 3 runs so far?

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 02:23 PM
Perkins gives up 3 runs in the 7th. 11-5

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 02:24 PM
Hollimon came in to play first, Hughes moved to LF.

J-Dog Dungan
03-28-2012, 02:27 PM
I guess...also, to those who are saying that Revere should be starting at AAA, even with his (currently) 0-3 day, he is still hitting .340, albeit with only 2 2B, but he also has 3 SB

J-Dog Dungan
03-28-2012, 02:27 PM
make that a 1-4 day for Revere

striker_86
03-28-2012, 02:38 PM
Capps just gave up an earned run...

TwinVike61
03-28-2012, 02:41 PM
There's a name to remember...Tuffy Goosewitch.

Mr. Ed
03-28-2012, 02:49 PM
Burnett gives up a solo HR

Shane Wahl
03-28-2012, 03:51 PM
TFFA - My opinion is that they should put the time into Benson and Hicks, not Revere. I'm not saying that Revere doesn't have his uses, but how often do you need just a glove and range in the OF? If you bring him in as a defensive replacement, what good is that if a guy gets on second? A single will always score that run. Plouffe has his problems too, I'm not denying that. I just think that it's time the Twins started to think about out-scoring their opponents now because the pitching staff is going to need it. Plouffe can produce more runs than Revere can save.

But can Plouffe produce and save more runs than Revere can produce and save? That is the real question. Revere's 2011 WAR was 2.0 and Plouffe's was -0.6. Of course Plouffe played less, but is still a significant difference. I am not sure how more people are pointing to Willingham as being the problem here.

Shane Wahl
03-28-2012, 03:52 PM
I guess...also, to those who are saying that Revere should be starting at AAA, even with his (currently) 0-3 day, he is still hitting .340, albeit with only 2 2B, but he also has 3 SB

Starting in AAA is better than playing 1/3 of the time for the Twins to begin the season.