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Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 09:19 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1505-Series-Preview-Tigers-Twins-4-1-4-4

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 09:36 AM
Opening Lineups:

Twins:
Aaron Hicks CF
Joe Mauer C
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Ryan Doumit DH
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Chris Parmelee RF
Brian Dozier 2B
Pedro Florimon SS
(Vance Worley P)

Tigers:
Austin Jackson CF
Torii Hunter RF
Miguel Cabrera 3B
Prince Fielder 1B
Victor Martinez DH
Andy Dirks LF
Jhonny Peralta SS
Alex Avila C
Omar Infante 2B
(Justin Verlander P)

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 09:44 AM
Good job on the line-up to Gardy. The top 7 should be comparable to any team in the league. Hopefully this team will at least score some runs and play decent defense.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 09:49 AM
Yeah, not a lot of complaints about that lineup. I don't like Florimon starting but ah, whatever. Gardy wasn't exactly given a plethora of options to run out at short...

edavis0308
04-01-2013, 09:59 AM
It'll be a problem that takes care of itself when Florimon proves to be the best defensive shortstop of all time.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 10:02 AM
It'll be a problem that takes care of itself when Florimon proves to be the best defensive shortstop of all time.

I heard he's going to take the field performing double back-flips just to how Ozzie how it's done.

Shane Wahl
04-01-2013, 10:05 AM
Hell yes about the lineup. This is *exactly* how I would construct it. That is the first time I have ever said that on opening day at least in the Mauer era.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 10:06 AM
Hell yes about the lineup. This is *exactly* how I would construct it. That is the first time I have ever said that on opening day at least in the Mauer era.

Usually, I'm happy when I merely dislike Gardy's lineups. To be neutral on a lineup is a huge win for me.

To see a lineup that's just about ideal, well... That doesn't happen very often.

chuchadoro
04-01-2013, 11:02 AM
I'm glad Dozier isn't batting 2nd. He was apparently pressing last year and doesn't need added the pressure of filling a spot in the batting order that is above his capability. Batting Mauer at #2 makes a lot more sense than Dozier at #2 and Parmelee at #8.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 11:06 AM
Nice lineup. The pitching matchups otoh, not so thrilling.....good luck to the team, and have fun everyone that gets to go.

sorney
04-01-2013, 12:06 PM
Delmon Young!! Hehehehe, just seeing that name gives me hope the Tigers might choke (I know he isn't with them anymore, but any team willing to take him on isn't the brightest)

tmerrickkeller
04-01-2013, 12:24 PM
Sorry - can't figure it out, so help me. I see the stat line on everyone, above, and I get that it is GP, AB, R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, (mystery stat), BB, SO, SB, AVG, OBP, SLG, OPS, WAR. So what's the mystery number?

jay
04-01-2013, 12:27 PM
Stay warm out there today, kids. High of 37 with a windchill pushing it lower. Eek.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 12:27 PM
Sorry, I forgot to grab the top row of cells.



NAME
GP (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/gamesPlayed/minnesota-twins)
AB (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/atBats/minnesota-twins)
R (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/runs/minnesota-twins)
H (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/hits/minnesota-twins)
2B (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/doubles/minnesota-twins)
3B (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/triples/minnesota-twins)
HR (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/homeRuns/minnesota-twins)
RBI (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/RBIs/minnesota-twins)
TB (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/totalBases/minnesota-twins)
BB (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/walks/minnesota-twins)
SO (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/strikeouts/minnesota-twins)
SB (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/stolenBases/minnesota-twins)
BA (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/order/false/minnesota-twins)
OBP (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/onBasePct/minnesota-twins)
SLG (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/slugAvg/minnesota-twins)
OPS (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/OPS/minnesota-twins)
OWAR (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/stats/batting/_/name/min/year/2012/cat/offWARBR/minnesota-twins)

jay
04-01-2013, 12:27 PM
Total bases.

jay
04-01-2013, 12:28 PM
Brock, I'm assuming these series previews will be a recurring theme. Since I prefer not to ever leave TD, could you add game times and broadcast info with the pitching matchups?

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 12:29 PM
Brock, I'm assuming these series previews will be a recurring theme. Since I prefer not to ever leave TD, could you add game times and broadcast info with the pitching matchups?

Will do. I had to piece this one together in a rush, as I forgot to do it over the weekend. I'll be sure to add those elements to future updates.

jokin
04-01-2013, 01:15 PM
Good job on the line-up to Gardy. The top 7 should be comparable to any team in the league. Hopefully this team will at least score some runs and play decent defense.

Did you glance at who the Twins are playing today?

OK, Detroit is only better from 1-6, not 7.

jokin
04-01-2013, 01:18 PM
Delmon Young!! Hehehehe, just seeing that name gives me hope the Tigers might choke (I know he isn't with them anymore, but any team willing to take him on isn't the brightest)

When you're at least willing to spend money to win championships, a dumb move or two won't kill you. And even in Delmon's case, the dumb move of acquiring him paid off in the playoffs, Young improbably has the record for the most Tiger post-season HRs.

jay
04-01-2013, 01:55 PM
Did you glance at who the Twins are playing today?

OK, Detroit is only better from 1-6, not 7.

Come on, I'd certainly take Mauer over Torii and I'd call Dirks/Plouffe a coin flip (neither is established, but have flashed skills).

That'd still be...
1 - Tigers
2 - Twins
3 - Tigers
4 - Tigers
5 - Tigers
6 - Flip it
7 - Twins

[sad face]

glunn
04-01-2013, 01:58 PM
It seems like this offseason lasted forever and I am glad that we are now getting back to actual baseball. Go Twins!

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 02:10 PM
Come on, I'd certainly take Mauer over Torii and I'd call Dirks/Plouffe a coin flip (neither is established, but have flashed skills).

That'd still be...
1 - Tigers
2 - Twins
3 - Tigers
4 - Tigers
5 - Tigers
6 - Flip it
7 - Twins

[sad face]

Mauer is definitely better than Torii but as you listed there, it gets pretty ugly after that point...

Still, I'm slightly bullish on the Twins lineup this season. I think they'll be somewhere around middle-of-the-road with the ability to narrowly make the top five if things go right, narrowly miss the top ten if things go horribly wrong (again).

diehardtwinsfan
04-01-2013, 02:48 PM
yay baseball!!!!

Worley vs. Verlander.... why is it I have a feeling it's going to be a long season in the pitching department.

Highabove
04-01-2013, 02:54 PM
Will this be the Game thread?

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 02:57 PM
Will this be the Game thread?

Yep. The first game of every series will have its game thread in the "series preview". I don't see the point in creating a second thread for what is essentially conversation about the first game of the series.

notoriousgod71
04-01-2013, 03:08 PM
Jamie Hersch? It's too cold to tell if I like her or not ;)

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 03:09 PM
During the team intros, the Tigers got "Jessica" by the Allman Brothers. Awesome. The Twins got something unlistenable. C'mon! (had to find something to whine about.)

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:15 PM
Looking at the fans in the stands, I'm quite happy that I didn't try to pick up tickets for today's game.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 03:15 PM
2013 Predictions:

Exceeding expectations: Dozier

Expectation flopper: Burton

74-88 4th in central

Twins win today 5-4. Go Twins!

PseudoSABR
04-01-2013, 03:18 PM
Yep. The first game of every series will have its game thread in the "series preview". I don't see the point in creating a second thread for what is essentially conversation about the first game of the series.
That sounds logical, but I was pretty confused.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:18 PM
Appealing to Joe Mauer for the strike call. I like that.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:19 PM
That sounds logical, but I was pretty confused.

Any suggestions to clarify the process is certainly welcome.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 03:20 PM
Lead off single. Season over.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:21 PM
Ugh. Dozier running the wrong direction and missed an easy play.

Understandable why it happened but ugh.

nmoline
04-01-2013, 03:21 PM
Worley not looking good and defense not looking good. Twins win 10 games all year.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 03:23 PM
Sorry, I forgot to grab the top row of cells.

Not possible to edit an article? Not good form to change content in reaction to comments of course, but to fix a glitch seems worth it.

glunn
04-01-2013, 03:24 PM
Worley not looking good and defense not looking good. Twins win 10 games all year.

Wow, you did not take long to sour on this season. Let's hope for a double play here.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:24 PM
Lookin' sharp out there, boys. Sharp like a bowling ball.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 03:24 PM
That's some back luck Vance.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 03:24 PM
The top 7 should be comparable to any team in the league.

Dozier in the 8th slot makes for a potentially decent comp as well, unless you are forecasting really bad things.

PseudoSABR
04-01-2013, 03:26 PM
Any suggestions to clarify the process is certainly welcome.Maybe when the lineups are announced (or an hour before game time, whatever) change the title of the thread to game day thread? (I know the lineups were announced extra early today).

Danchat
04-01-2013, 03:27 PM
1st inning turns out exactly as I imagined. 2-0 Tigers. We are gonna be bad. Really bad. Worley is our BEST pitcher.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:27 PM
Maybe when the lineups are announced (or an hour before game time, whatever) change the title of the thread to game day thread? (I know the lineups were announced extra early today).

Unfortunately, the system does not appreciate the changing of article names in the forum. The system will simply duplicate the article thread again when it can't find the original.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 03:27 PM
Idea for a contest: pick the game and inning when Worley gets his first swing and miss. I'll go with inning 2 of the first game he pitches in an NL stadium.

notoriousgod71
04-01-2013, 03:28 PM
Hopefully the Twins can get a hit in the first so I can turn my attention elsewhere.

snepp
04-01-2013, 03:28 PM
So, ummm, how did the Tigers ever manage to score without having the 2-hole hitter bunting Jackson to 2nd?


[/mind blown]

nmoline
04-01-2013, 03:30 PM
Wow, you did not take long to sour on this season. Let's hope for a double play here.

A lot of dp opportunities moving guys with balls in the dirt. It's alright, Morneau is going to win the AL MVP so 2 runs will be nothing to overcome.

notoriousgod71
04-01-2013, 03:31 PM
Ha, I was scrolling through scores and just assumed LAA at Cincinnati was still an exhibition. What a travesty to have interleague every day.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 03:33 PM
So, ummm, how did the Tigers ever manage to score without having the 2-hole hitter bunting Jackson to 2nd?


[/mind blown]

Hicks takes care of that problem for the Twins.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:34 PM
Plouffe makes that play.

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 03:35 PM
Ha, I was scrolling through scores and just assumed LAA at Cincinnati was still an exhibition. What a travesty to have interleague every day.
Its just different. Everyone will get used to it I think. I always felt Interleague play was a little hokey to begin with.

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 03:35 PM
Plouffe makes that play.
Better question, does Sano make that play?

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:36 PM
Its just different. Everyone will get used to it I think. I always felt Interleague play was a little hokey to begin with.

I prefer seeing league parity with 15 teams apiece over a batch of interleague play.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:36 PM
Better question, does Sano make that play?

He would have intimidated the ball to first base.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 03:36 PM
Ha, I was scrolling through scores and just assumed LAA at Cincinnati was still an exhibition. What a travesty to have interleague every day.

could not disagree more, I want more interleague play. I wanted to see Bonds live, in person. Why not let people see the best players live?

snepp
04-01-2013, 03:37 PM
Better question, does Sano make that play?

If he hits anything like Cabrera, I don't care.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 03:39 PM
Plouffe makes that play.

Batista makes that play?

Musk21
04-01-2013, 03:39 PM
Season Over. Pathetic.

TheLeviathan
04-01-2013, 03:40 PM
Twins really know how to dampen enthusiasm......

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:41 PM
Batista makes that play?

While reading the Bible.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 03:43 PM
How about not so good a pitch with two strikes there Vance

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:43 PM
The Twins are trying really hard to keep my productivity up by convincing me to go do some work.

Halsey Hall
04-01-2013, 03:45 PM
Maybe not the season, but this game probably is ova.

AlabamaTwinkie
04-01-2013, 03:46 PM
I haven't seen a pitcher look more like he is throwing BP then Worley does right now.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Well, that was an ugly play by everyone involved, including the runner.

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Florimon should have had that.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Oh. My. Goodness.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 03:47 PM
Swing and a miss! Thake that Chiefsie.

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 03:47 PM
I haven't seen a pitcher look more like he is throwing BP then Worley does right now.
See: Nick Blackburn

GCTF
04-01-2013, 03:47 PM
I haven't seen a pitcher look more like he is throwing BP then Worley does right now.

You've never seen Blackburn pitch?

GCTF
04-01-2013, 03:48 PM
See: Nick Blackburn

Ha.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 03:49 PM
Swing and a miss! Thake that Chiefsie. Comment not valid. Entry into contest not registered prior to deadline. Since I was the only contest entry, I win!

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 03:49 PM
Florimon should have had that. Or, Mauer could have thrown it to 2nd base. Either way.

AlabamaTwinkie
04-01-2013, 03:50 PM
See: Nick Blackburn

You've never seen Blackburn pitch?
I try to keep him as far away from my memory as I can, but still he lingers.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 03:51 PM
Swinging at ball three, these Twins are a riot.

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 03:52 PM
Wow Plouffe got screwed on those calls.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 03:53 PM
so for free, I can "watch" the game on cbs on my phone, but can only get box scores and plays on mlb....what is mlb thinking?

Highabove
04-01-2013, 03:56 PM
When does Gopher Football start???

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 03:56 PM
so for free, I can "watch" the game on cbs on my phone, but can only get box scores and plays on mlb....what is mlb thinking?

Welcome to the obtuse and vexing MLB blackout policy.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 03:59 PM
No, it is about the fact that you have to pay to even see balls and strikes, as far as I can tell in my quick looksee on mlb.atbat, but on cbs I can see every pitch on the gamecast. Unless I am missing something, Brock.

As for the blackout rules, they are insane. completely and utterly insane. Who cares if I see FSN on a tv or a phone or a computer? It's just so 1986.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 04:02 PM
No, it is about the fact that you have to pay to even see balls and strikes, as far as I can tell in my quick looksee on mlb.atbat, but on cbs I can see every pitch on the gamecast. Unless I am missing something, Brock.

As for the blackout rules, they are insane. completely and utterly insane. Who cares if I see FSN on a tv or a phone or a computer? It's just so 1986.

Ah, I misunderstood. I thought CBS might be broadcasting the game nationally or something.

I'm not a fan of MLB's new policy of charging for GameDay. Too many others offer the service for free. It's a mistake (though one that doesn't impact me personally, as I subscribe to MLB.tv). That's what you're talking about, right?

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 04:02 PM
Oh, COME ON. Could you guys go one inning without doing something clownish?

amjgt
04-01-2013, 04:03 PM
Geez, what the opposite of "doing the little things?"

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:04 PM
New idea for contest: Name the game and inning Worley gets through a frame unscored upon. I'll repeat my earlier guess.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 04:04 PM
WOW. Okay. Nice glovework, Florimon.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 04:07 PM
Sigh. At least nobody scored that inning.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:07 PM
I win again!

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 04:08 PM
Vance almost got Morneau to tear a groin there. Pick it up buddy.

notoriousgod71
04-01-2013, 04:11 PM
could not disagree more, I want more interleague play. I wanted to see Bonds live, in person. Why not let people see the best players live?

With the way FA is there's very little chance you won't be able to see your favorite player at some point. Otherwise Milwaukee is just a short drive away! I am a traditionalist, however, so I'd like to see no interleague play.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:12 PM
I win again!

Predict the game and inning in which the Twins get a hit.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:13 PM
Predict the game and inning in which the Twins get a hit. Game 2, inning 2. 2014.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:15 PM
Game 2, inning 2. 2014.

So close.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:16 PM
I win again!!

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 04:24 PM
A Tiger hitter swung at a pitch and did not make contact.

Is that legal?

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:28 PM
Is this really the best TD posters can do for an opening day game thread? Gonna be a long season.

snepp
04-01-2013, 04:31 PM
Is this really the best TD posters can do for an opening day game thread? Gonna be a long season.

Drinking isn't allowed in the typical workplace.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:32 PM
Floor-E-moan.

notoriousgod71
04-01-2013, 04:32 PM
Bring back Castro, JFC.

snepp
04-01-2013, 04:32 PM
There's the Florimon we're going to learn to love.

notoriousgod71
04-01-2013, 04:32 PM
Is this really the best TD posters can do for an opening day game thread? Gonna be a long season.

That's what we're all afraid of.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:33 PM
Drinking isn't allowed in the typical workplace.
Forgive me, I'm from the Madmen generation. Drinking is mandatory in the workplace.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 04:33 PM
Wow. Just wow.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:34 PM
Bring back Castro, JFC. Either one would be ok with me. If I have a choice, I'd go with JFC. Errorless.

snepp
04-01-2013, 04:35 PM
Forgive me, I'm from the Madmen generation. Drinking is mandatory in the workplace.

Unfortunately it's also mandatory for watching these Twins.

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 04:35 PM
Or, Mauer could have thrown it to 2nd base. Either way.

That was my thought. All Blyleven could do is criticize Florimon, yet Mauer's throw was offline. If it's over the base he's out.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 04:36 PM
That was my thought. All Blyleven could do is criticize Florimon, yet Mauer's throw was offline. If it's over the base he's out.

Like I said earlier, everybody seemed to be at fault in that play including the runner, who didn't appear to be trying very hard.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:37 PM
Unfortunately it's also mandatory for watching these Twins.

Kevin Correia going in the next game. I know I'm all tingly.

Badsmerf
04-01-2013, 04:39 PM
We comin.... we comin...

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 04:39 PM
Morneau has SPEED

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:39 PM
Bunt!!

righty8383
04-01-2013, 04:40 PM
Morneau was playing defense there. He hit a really good pitch

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 04:42 PM
Vance almost got Morneau to tear a groin there. Pick it up buddy.

Twins could have argued interference there. Can't remember who the runner was, but he was inside the line and Vance had to wait as he ran over the ball. I'd like to see it again, but if Worley had been there first and fielded it I believe you have offensive interference.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:53 PM
Oh my, a 1-2-3 inning.

glunn
04-01-2013, 04:54 PM
Oh my, a 1-2-3 inning.

Maybe Worley just needed to get used to Target Field? Or just needed to get warmed up?

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:54 PM
Oh my, a 1-2-3 inning. Woulda made for a good contest.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 04:56 PM
Woulda made for a good contest.

I win?

snepp
04-01-2013, 04:57 PM
I win?

We're all winners here.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:57 PM
I win? Sorry, you have to enter to win.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 04:59 PM
"Nice piece of hitting right there." If nothing else, Dickbert's in midseason form.

snepp
04-01-2013, 04:59 PM
MVP-"type" season.


Drink.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:02 PM
MVP-"type" season.


Drink.Wha?? Workplace rules waived? I can't keep up with you young whippersnappers.

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 05:02 PM
Tough first game matchup for Hicks. welcome to the bigs kid!

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:03 PM
I gotta call right here...

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 05:04 PM
Looks like Verlander would rather face the Hammer.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:04 PM
Tying run up. Go Willinghamersie.

edavis0308
04-01-2013, 05:05 PM
All this talk of drinking is corrupting all the twelve year olds in this game thread.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:05 PM
Turns out it was just gas. Happens a lot to me these days.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:05 PM
I gotta call right here...

You lose.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 05:06 PM
Yep, go and use that wooden thing there Hammer.

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 05:06 PM
Damn, I hope they cut him off at 100 pitches.

luke829
04-01-2013, 05:08 PM
Turns out it was just gas. Happens a lot to me these days.

Well, the two of them do go hand in hand

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:08 PM
All this talk of drinking is corrupting all the twelve year olds in this game thread.

Good chance they were going to be corrupted by something anyway.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:08 PM
You lose. Too true. And with it likely went the last meaningful AB of the season.

edavis0308
04-01-2013, 05:10 PM
12 ground ball outs? Good Lord.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 05:10 PM
Cabrera would have had that

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:11 PM
12 ground ball outs? Good Lord. Out of 15 or 16 chances. Not shabby!

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 05:13 PM
Hm. After five innings, three hits. Mauer, Morneau and Florimon: One Of These Things Is Not Like The Other Ones...

snepp
04-01-2013, 05:14 PM
Wha?? Workplace rules waived? I can't keep up with you young whippersnappers.

I live in my workspace, I can do whatever the hell I want.

3640

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:14 PM
Hm. After five innings, three hits. Mauer, Morneau and Florimon: One Of These Things Is Not Like The Other Ones...
Racist!

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:15 PM
Hm. After five innings, three hits. Mauer, Morneau and Florimon: One Of These Things Is Not Like The Other Ones...

I know I know. It's Florimon, right?

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:17 PM
It seems encouraging that Worley has now put together 4 scoreless innings after a shaky beginning. Now the Twins need to get to Verlander.

snepp
04-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Hm. After five innings, three hits. Mauer, Morneau and Florimon: One Of These Things Is Not Like The Other Ones...

Florimon just wanted to bring some diversity to the set.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:18 PM
Alright...it's not Verlander.

edavis0308
04-01-2013, 05:18 PM
I missed the first few innings at work, but looking at how things started, you have to like how Worley finished.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 05:19 PM
Racist!

Never could stand those Canajuns.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:20 PM
Quality Start for Worley, but not for Verlander. Love that stat.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:22 PM
Never could stand those Canajuns.

You spelled Canucklehead wrong.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:22 PM
Quality Start for Worley, but not for Verlander. Love that stat.

I know, lousy Verlander only went 5 innings.

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:23 PM
Plouffe!!!

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 05:24 PM
Yes, ER and inning wise, I'll take that from Vance all year. But that could easily have been 5 - 6 ER today.

Also, Twins should have one run on the board. How you spoil a lead off double with Doumit at the plate on a 3-0 count and don't score the run is pathetic. At least we are still in the game.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:25 PM
Tying run is up. Go Dozierzie.

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:25 PM
I know, lousy Verlander only went 5 innings.

It seems to me that the more promising fact is that Worley was able to hang in there for 6 innings.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:27 PM
I gotta call right here.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Bases loaded, go new guy.

LaBombo
04-01-2013, 05:28 PM
Could be wilkin's entire war contribution for the season on the line right here...

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:29 PM
Would rather see Drew Butera here.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:30 PM
Dick just used the phrase "small sample size". Baby steps.

LaBombo
04-01-2013, 05:30 PM
Would rather see Drew Butera here.

Soon enough...

snepp
04-01-2013, 05:30 PM
They gritted that run in.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:31 PM
I gotta call right here.

That wasn't it I'm sure.

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:31 PM
Would rather see Drew Butera here.

Or Florimon, who is warmed up and already has one hit.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 05:31 PM
I gotta call right here.

That was your call, right?

snepp
04-01-2013, 05:31 PM
Correction Dickbert, that's SPEED! at second base.

LaBombo
04-01-2013, 05:31 PM
Long leash for smyly here...

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:33 PM
Who will Gardy send out this inning to pitch?

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:35 PM
Or Florimon, who is warmed up and already has one hit. Whoosh...

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 05:35 PM
Or Florimon, who is warmed up and already has one hit.

I don't see how you pinch hit for a guy batting .500.

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:40 PM
Glad to see Hunter strike out.

Danchat
04-01-2013, 05:42 PM
Who will Gardy send out this inning to pitch? It's Casey Fien. And he looks good pitching right now. Few people know him, but I think he's one of our best bullpen options.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:43 PM
If I could "like" that inning, I would.

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 05:43 PM
Now that was a Fien inning.

snepp
04-01-2013, 05:44 PM
Hell of a start for Fien.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:45 PM
It's Casey Fien. And he looks good pitching right now. Few people know him, but I think he's one of our best bullpen options. Post at the STrib a lot?

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:45 PM
Top of the order. Sounds like runs.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 05:46 PM
Hell of a start for Fien.

Heaven of a start.

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 05:49 PM
Joe looks pretty good right now.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 05:50 PM
Can we please end the Mauer bat second experiment now! I've seen enough!

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 05:52 PM
Heaven of a start.

In my program he's listed as a reliever.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Justin with the walk against a lefty. Nice.

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:54 PM
Can we please end the Mauer bat second experiment now! I've seen enough!

Good one.

glunn
04-01-2013, 05:55 PM
Now it should be DOOM for the Tigers.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 05:57 PM
Hopefully things are about to take a left turn at Alburquerque.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 05:57 PM
Missed most of the game... I've only caught pieces of it. To catch me up... Tell me if I got this straight.

Verlander out pitched Worley and Worley out pitched Smyly.

Is that about right?

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 05:58 PM
A speedier guy in the two-spot would have scored twice on that play.

From the dugout, where he would have been sitting when Ryan hit that ball.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 05:58 PM
Doumit comes thru

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 05:58 PM
Missed most of the game... I've only caught pieces of it. To catch me up... Tell me if I got this straight.

Verlander out pitched Worley and Worley out pitched Smyly.

Is that about right?

Pretty much.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Parmelee comes up big... I can feel it

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 05:59 PM
Good at bat, Plouffsie.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:00 PM
UGH. There goes the freebie run-scoring opportunity with one out.

glunn
04-01-2013, 06:00 PM
A speedier guy in the two-spot would have scored twice on that play.

From the dugout, where he would have been sitting when Ryan hit that ball.

Agreed.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:00 PM
Come on, Chris. You can't swing at that with a 2-0 count.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:01 PM
Come on, Chris. You can't swing at that with a 2-0 count.

Nope... That's a young player mistake... No doubt

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:02 PM
Well, that AB was a mix of nice takes and absolutely awful swings.

Did the pitcher get the ball over the plate even once?

snepp
04-01-2013, 06:02 PM
Not a good plate appearance there.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 06:02 PM
Some really horrible ABs this game, horrible.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 06:02 PM
Damn.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 06:03 PM
Ouch. Never threw Parmelee a strike, got one bad call from the ump, and Parms did the rest.

LaBombo
04-01-2013, 06:03 PM
Hopefully things are about to take a left turn at Alburquerque.

Nope. A revoltin' development instead. But sweet bugs bunny ref.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 06:04 PM
I'm not sure we wanted to tie it up or take the lead quite so soon anyway. Let the Tiger bats snooze a while longer. Lie in wait for the ninth...

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:06 PM
I'm not sure we wanted to tie it up or take the lead quite so soon anyway. Let the Tiger bats snooze a while longer. Lie in wait for the ninth...

Its setting up nice for that. Dozier... Escobar... Hicks in the 8th... The meat of the order in the ninth.

The Greatest Poster Alive
04-01-2013, 06:07 PM
So it sounded like everyone was ready to bury Worley on Twitter early in his start... but he managed to go 6 IP and only give up 3 earned... Obviously not an ideal start... but out of a 3rd starter that's not bad. It's not fair to expect Worley to be an ace just because he's the best player on a turd of a rotation.

Halsey Hall
04-01-2013, 06:08 PM
That was really special, Plouffe.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 06:09 PM
Its setting up nice for that. Dozier... Escobar... Hicks in the 8th... The meat of the order in the ninth.

Yes, that's the strategy. Let the 8th-9th-10th place hitters in the line up go quietly, rope-a-dope style, and then let our leadoff guy Mauer come out swinging (or quite possibly walking) to start the 9th.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:10 PM
I would kept Plouffe home on that bunt play.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:12 PM
Slow Prince at 2nd... Lefty on the mound.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:13 PM
Boom... Good pitch

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:13 PM
Nice pitch by Duensing.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:16 PM
R u kidding me. 1st pitch in a Twins uniform... What was Mauer doing standing up.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:17 PM
Joe Mauer's 6'5" frame working against him right there.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:17 PM
R u kidding me. 1st pitch in a Twins uniform... What was Mauer doing standing up.

It looked like it was going to bounce into his chest and had the top spin to go under his legs (or it hit the plate and skipped instead of bounced).

Not a good play but I see how it happened.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 06:17 PM
Earlier I mentioned the music during introductions. Perhaps for the Twins it should've been "Keystone Kops."

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 06:18 PM
Butera would have stopped it. :D

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:19 PM
I love Mauer... But stay down... Use your chest protector.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 06:19 PM
Earlier I mentioned the music during introductions. Perhaps for the Twins it should've been "Keystone Kops."

Benny Hill style Yakkity Sax would also work.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:21 PM
Butera would have stopped it. :D

He would have... Most catchers wouldn't have stood up. That was very bad fundamentally.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 06:23 PM
Discuss: Rookie jitters for Jamie Hersch? Just cold? Or another Telly Hughes in the making?

snepp
04-01-2013, 06:24 PM
Benny Hill style Yakkity Sax would also work.

That would require obtaining usage permission from the Astros.

snepp
04-01-2013, 06:26 PM
Discuss: Rookie jitters for Jamie Hersch? Just cold? Or another Telly Hughes in the making?

No one can gargle a mouthful of stones quite like Telly.

TheLeviathan
04-01-2013, 06:29 PM
Discuss: Rookie jitters for Jamie Hersch? Just cold? Or another Telly Hughes in the making?

Just finished saying to my wife how hard it must be to be a rookie with the spotlight on you and your teeth are chattering through everything you're supposed to say. I guess I went with pity initially.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 06:29 PM
No one can gargle a mouthful of stones quite like Telly.

Careful, there are 12-year-olds reading this site.

glunn
04-01-2013, 06:29 PM
Clutch walk by Hicks! Now Joe needs to keep it going.

TheLeviathan
04-01-2013, 06:30 PM
With the way it worked out, I almost would've rather had Mauer leading off the ninth.

glunn
04-01-2013, 06:31 PM
With the way it worked out, I almost would've rather had Mauer leading off the ninth.

Welcome Leviathan! I feel the same way.

Physics Guy
04-01-2013, 06:31 PM
Just finished saying to my wife how hard it must be to be a rookie with the spotlight on you and your teeth are chattering through everything you're supposed to say. I guess I went with pity initially.

I think she's done a good job during post game for the Wild, so I'd blame weather and first game.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 06:32 PM
Down 2, one on, two out. 2-0 count, sitting fastball...and slice it softly to the LF corner. Sad. And a demonstration of why he isn't "one of the top 5 hitters in the game."

LaBombo
04-01-2013, 06:35 PM
So it sounded like everyone was ready to bury Worley on Twitter early in his start... but he managed to go 6 IP and only give up 3 earned... Obviously not an ideal start... but out of a 3rd starter that's not bad.

To that I would add that he was facing what is widely considered in the non-TD baseball world to be one of the better offensive lineups in MLB. Pretty encouraging outing...

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:36 PM
Down 2, one on, two out. 2-0 count, sitting fastball...and slice it softly to the LF corner. Sad. And a demonstration of why he isn't "one of the top 5 hitters in the game."

I can't even get mad about that. I'm still bothered by that 4th run. That one was on Joe. Maybe even more so than on Duensing or Roenicke.

That's a big run... It was important.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:45 PM
Down 2, one on, two out. 2-0 count, sitting fastball...and slice it softly to the LF corner. Sad. And a demonstration of why he isn't "one of the top 5 hitters in the game."

Softly? If he hits that just a bit harder or a bit softer, it's a hit.

Sometimes (most of the time), a ball hit in the air is caught.

Unless you really want to argue Joe's .920 career OPS with men on base.

How much would you be bitching if he rolled it over to second? He put the ball in the air and didn't get great wood on it. Even 1941 Ted Williams failed 59.4% of the time.

GCTF
04-01-2013, 06:45 PM
That's one loss.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:47 PM
Ok... And we'll see ya Wednesday night.

Worley kept em in the game. Something to build on.

Ultima Ratio
04-01-2013, 06:47 PM
Agree with the chief, sometimes Mauer needs to try to pull the ball an hit a homer.... not usually but in some instances like this -- with two outs and 2-0 count. Sit dead red and go for it.

Gonna be a long season

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:48 PM
I can't even get mad about that. I'm still bothered by that 4th run. That one was on Joe. Maybe even more so than on Duensing or Roenicke.

That's a big run... It was important.

Agreed. That was a much worse play than the opposite field fly out.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:49 PM
And are we really going to start bitching at Mauer for only getting on base 60% of the time in a game?

Come on.

USAFChief
04-01-2013, 06:50 PM
Softly? If he hits that just a bit harder or a bit softer, it's a hit.

Sometimes (most of the time), a ball hit in the air is caught.

Unless you really want to argue Joe's .920 career OPS with men on base. It was hit softly. Looping fliner. That's why the LF got to it easily. You can quote OPS all you want (although you downplayed it earlier in this very thread, when you claimed if we "properly weighted OBP" Mauer's much better), but in that situation, a good hitter doesn't settle for that. He looks for his pitch, and if he gets anything close to it, he takes a shot at the RF seats. That's what's expected. That's what dangerous hitters do. This was weak.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 06:54 PM
It was hit softly. Looping fliner. That's why the LF got to it easily. You can quote OPS all you want (although you downplayed it earlier in this very thread, when you claimed if we "properly weighted OBP" Mauer's much better), but in that situation, a good hitter doesn't settle for that. He looks for his pitch, and if he gets anything close to it, he takes a shot at the RF seats. That's what's expected. That's what dangerous hitters do. This was weak.

I "downplayed" OPS (which I really didn't do) and Mauer's OPS is still .920 with men on base. If you weight it properly, he looks even better as a hitter.

Joe went 2-4 and walked once. You need to reevaluate what you expect from the man. Jesus.

How about we lay some blame on the other eight guys in the lineup who combined for a fearsome five hits over nine innings?

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 06:56 PM
Yeah but it ranks way down on the list of bad. Morneau's at bat when we needed a base runner was 10 times worse.

But the play behind the plate... Is worse yet. That's fundamentals... Ball in the dirt... Get down and block...

Standing up is something a third grade catcher does and I'm not exaggerating. 3-2 game bases loaded... Two outs.

He should seriously be docked a million from his salary for that.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 06:59 PM
Looks like the Twins' vendors won't be selling bottled beer this year.

/ For the twelve-year-olds reading this: it's because the Twins LOST THE OPENER! Memorize this one, you can use it pretty much every year.

jokin
04-01-2013, 07:17 PM
It was hit softly. Looping fliner. That's why the LF got to it easily. You can quote OPS all you want (although you downplayed it earlier in this very thread, when you claimed if we "properly weighted OBP" Mauer's much better), but in that situation, a good hitter doesn't settle for that. He looks for his pitch, and if he gets anything close to it, he takes a shot at the RF seats. That's what's expected. That's what dangerous hitters do. This was weak.

Joe Mauer =Wade Boggs as a slightly more powerful Catcher version? Joe will join Wade in the HOF, but both are not Cabrera, Hamilton or Pujols, they are low ISO- but yes, still HOF, tablesetters, therefore, by definition, much less dangerous.

Wade Boggs- wOBA-.381/BABIP- .344/wRC+ 132/BB%- 13.1%/Singles/Hits 74.8%/OBP .415
Joe Mauer- wOBA- .377/ BABIP- .345/wRC+ 133/BB%- 12.2%/Singles/Hits 71.6%/OBP .405

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 07:22 PM
Boggs is a decent Mauer comp but it can't be ignored that Boggs played a ton of games in Fenway while Mauer is stuck in Target Field.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 07:30 PM
So, how did the team do on the little things? Not well, again. So sad.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 07:31 PM
Btw, criticizing one at bat for Maurer is not the same, at all, as criticizing his career. But it sure is a great straw man.

jokin
04-01-2013, 07:36 PM
Yeah but it ranks way down on the list of bad. Morneau's at bat when we needed a base runner was 10 times worse.

But the play behind the plate... Is worse yet. That's fundamentals... Ball in the dirt... Get down and block...

Standing up is something a third grade catcher does and I'm not exaggerating. 3-2 game bases loaded... Two outs.

He should seriously be docked a million from his salary for that.

The first wild pitch wasn't nearly as bad, but probably preventable by better fundamentals, particularly with a slow runner on base at the time.

But Mauer was not alone out there in the failure to execute department by any means. IE, Florimon's drop on the SB attempt could have easily been scored an error. It looked like a team that might benefit from a 20 degree temperature increase.

glunn
04-01-2013, 08:14 PM
So, how did the team do on the little things? Not well, again. So sad.

Keep in mind that it was their first game and freezing cold.

PseudoSABR
04-01-2013, 08:26 PM
Honestly, I'm pretty happy about Mauer hitting second, Gardy pinch hitting for Florimon in the 6th with the bases loaded, the recovery by Worley after a rocky start, and the bullpen's competence.

However, the Twins really came up empty in big moments--that at bat by Parmelee with the bases loaded bothered me just as much as the passed ball by Mauer.

Brock Beauchamp
04-01-2013, 08:44 PM
However, the Twins really came up empty in big moments--that at bat by Parmelee with the bases loaded bothered me just as much as the passed ball by Mauer.

That was just an awful AB. He didn't swing at the only pitch in the zone (it can be argued if it was in the zone or not) and flailed away at two pitches in the dirt.

mike wants wins
04-01-2013, 08:49 PM
Keep in mind that it was their first game and freezing cold.

they make millions, well on most teams players do, they should be ready for game one. I was happy for Worley, that is about what I expected from him all year. I approve.

ashburyjohn
04-01-2013, 09:32 PM
Honestly, I'm pretty happy about ... Gardy pinch hitting for Florimon in the 6th with the bases loaded

I think Gardy pretty much spelled out his plan, when he said a couple of weeks ago he wanted a bat with some pop on the bench. He'll augment one very weak spot in the lineup with a better bat at a strategic moment. The game went according to script in this respect.

Riverbrian
04-01-2013, 10:40 PM
The first wild pitch wasn't nearly as bad, but probably preventable by better fundamentals, particularly with a slow runner on base at the time.

But Mauer was not alone out there in the failure to execute department by any means. IE, Florimon's drop on the SB attempt could have easily been scored an error. It looked like a team that might benefit from a 20 degree temperature increase.

First game... Something to build on...

Here's a Florimon positive... I saw the highlight on his play on the Cabrera grounder.

Oh my. Not many SS's can make that play... Ranging that far and throwing that well across his body against momentum.

Now if he can just make the routine play with that.

PseudoSABR
04-02-2013, 01:38 AM
I think Gardy pretty much spelled out his plan, when he said a couple of weeks ago he wanted a bat with some pop on the bench. He'll augment one very weak spot in the lineup with a better bat at a strategic moment. The game went according to script in this respect.I just think that's a boon. Something we haven't had Gardy do for a decade. The hot seat might be good for Gardy, actually.

Alex
04-02-2013, 03:40 AM
I "downplayed" OPS (which I really didn't do) and Mauer's OPS is still .920 with men on base. If you weight it properly, he looks even better as a hitter.

Joe went 2-4 and walked once. You need to reevaluate what you expect from the man. Jesus.

How about we lay some blame on the other eight guys in the lineup who combined for a fearsome five hits over nine innings?

Mauer can't win with some people. You are dead on when you said people would have complained if he rolled over trying to turn on one and they would have complained if he would have let it go. It's ridiculous.