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Jeremy Nygaard
02-22-2013, 07:21 PM
One year ago, Appel sat atop many draft boards. A year later, his status remains similar. After not signing with Pittsburgh, the big righty will re-enter the draft after his senior season at Stanford.

Perfect Game Draft Profile (http://www.perfectgame.org/articles/View.aspx?article=7903) (subscription required)


[Appel] absolutely remains one of the most serious candidates to be the number one overall selection in June.
Game Log:
2/15 vs Rice - 5 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K, WP, 5:1 FO:GO (Loss, 0-1) (*Ranked 1A on initial draft board)
2/22 vs Fresno State - 9 IP, 3 H, ER, BB, 11 K, 7:9 FO:GO, 105/75 (Pitches/strikes) (Win, 1-1) (*Made a great impression on the 60-70 scouts in attendance)
3/1 vs Texas - 9 IP, 3 H, BB, 14 K, 7:7 FO:GO, 110/74. (Win, 2-1) (*Scott Boras laughing all the way to the bank)
3/8 vs UNLV - 7 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 1 ER, BB, 15 K(!), 2 WP, 2:7 FO:GO (Loss, 2-2) (*Undone by errors, Appel is solidifying his spot on draft boards)
3/22 vs Utah - 8 IP, 6 H, 2 R, ER, BB, 11 K, HBP, 3:12 FO:GO, 107/71 (Win, 3-2)
3/28 vs Washington St - 9 IP, 4 H, BB, 10 K, WP, 3 HBP. 110/79. (Win, 4-2)
4/5 vs USC - 8.2 IP, 7 H, 2 ER, BB, 7 K, 2 WP, 108 pitches. (Win, 5-2)
4/12 vs 8 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, WP, HBP, 115/77. (Win, 6-2)



*This post will be updated throughout the season. Please link game stories or other related Appel-themed posts below.

Jeremy Nygaard
02-22-2013, 07:23 PM
Game story from 2/15 (http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/021513aaa.html)

Appel on not signing with Pittsburgh


On prepping for the 2013 draft: "Everybody said, `If you don't sign, you're pushing your major league career back a year.' I don't see it that way. I don't understand how people can say that I can't keep working and keep getting better at Stanford. It might be a different situation and scenario than a minor league team, but I still have the opportunities to improve my game, get better, to just grow as a baseball player and a teammate and prepare myself for the next level."

Jeremy Nygaard
02-22-2013, 07:43 PM
Friend of TwinsDaily/Twins Scouting Supervisor Sean Johnson is watching Appel right now. Sixty to seventy scouts there to watch Appel come out throwing 97 mph. Appel went 1-2-3 and ironically, the radio announcer said he was "pitching-to-contact".

maxisagod
02-22-2013, 08:08 PM
Friend of TwinsDaily/Twins Scouting Supervisor Sean Johnson is watching Appel right now. Sixty to seventy scouts there to watch Appel come out throwing 97 mph. Appel went 1-2-3 and ironically, the radio announcer said he was "pitching-to-contact".

Ha! Funny.

gunnarthor
02-23-2013, 10:35 AM
This is the guy I want to fall to us.

righty8383
02-23-2013, 10:41 AM
He pitched a complete game. 1 run on 3 hits and a walk with 11K's. Only 105 pitches

Jeremy Nygaard
02-23-2013, 10:45 AM
He pitched a complete game. 1 run on 3 hits and a walk with 11K's. Only 105 pitches

I listened to it on the radio, really only faced any sort of resistance in one inning. He gave up a long fly ball out to Aaron Judge (who homered off of him twice last year), but worked very, very quick. Cut back a little on his flyball-outs this game (as compared to last).

Seth Stohs
02-23-2013, 10:53 AM
The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.

nicksaviking
02-23-2013, 11:09 AM
9 innings and over 100 pitches in his second start of the season huh? College coaches, I tell ya.

jimbo92107
02-23-2013, 11:58 AM
The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.

Excellent point. Meanwhile, his almost perfect mechanics remind me of Mariano Rivera. Appel is definitely going to be some team's ace, maybe a half tick below Verlander's level.

ScottyB
02-23-2013, 12:26 PM
The question is does our draft pool money go up in 2014 if we don't sign him in 2013? If so, draft him, offer him slot and if he doesn't accept, let him play for the Saints and become a free agent. If not, hope that Manaea or Stanek drop to us.

righty8383
02-23-2013, 12:51 PM
The question is does our draft pool money go up in 2014 if we don't sign him in 2013? If so, draft him, offer him slot and if he doesn't accept, let him play for the Saints and become a free agent. If not, hope that Manaea or Stanek drop to us.
Agreed, but even if he doesn't sign and plays for an independent team, he would not become a free agent. He would just go back to the draft next year. He would have to go totally undrafted in order to become a free agent.

johnnydakota
02-23-2013, 01:03 PM
The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.

And offer him under slot money ....Tell him to thank his agent for that

johnnydakota
02-23-2013, 01:05 PM
The more I think about it... I think a good strategy for the draft could be to take Appel is he is there at #4. If you sign him, great, you have a solid #2 who could be a #1 signed. However, if you don't sign him, you could have two Top 5 Picks in 2014 when people believe that the talent is much, much better.

Funny deal when i mentioned it , you all thought it was the dumbest thing you ever heard

beckmt
02-23-2013, 01:24 PM
Good Idea, Do not think he will be there at #4, but Boris may want the same money as the #1 pick as last year to avoid looking like a fool.

FrodaddyG
02-23-2013, 01:38 PM
Good Idea, Do not think he will be there at #4, but Boris may want the same money as the #1 pick as last year to avoid looking like a fool.
No. He wanted more than the #1 pick got last year. He'll absolutely want more than that this this year.

Jeremy Nygaard
02-23-2013, 02:22 PM
Twins Terp says it well on this thread (http://www.twinsdaily.com/showthread.php?t=5204&p=86211#post86211).

Appel should definitely be in the discussion if he's on the board at #4, but I'll stand by what I said on the Original Draft Board:


If Appel is available at #4 and there is enough confidence in the draft room that Appel will come at a reasonable enough price as to not cripple the rest of the draft, I say go for it.

I would have an extremely hard time losing him - and the money attached to the pick - for the same reasons that Twins Terp pointed out. Mainly - the team that drafts Appel is going to structure their entire draft differently. You're not just punting that pick; you're punting your whole draft.

Appel's worth it, but you have to get him...

Kwak
02-23-2013, 02:45 PM
I thought the sanctions are applied to a team "that overpays the combined slot values threshold" in the following year's draft. Thus, if the Twins draft Apple, pay him this whopping amount, and are unable to carve it out from all of the following draft selections of the 2013 draft, then the sanctions apply to the 2014 draft. Those sanctions may include forfeiture of the Twins' 1st Round selection. I think if the Twins select him they may have to agree to immediately place him on the Active Roster (and leave him there for three years!) in order to reduce the signing bonus to "fit in the slot". While that strategy may be appropriate for Appel, it deviates from "The Twins Way" and opens the door for many other draftees in the future to demand the same concession. Given the Twins refusal to grant Mauer's request for deferred compensation with a guaranteed rate-of-return, I am certain that the Twins would choke on immediate placement on the Active Roster and the resultant "loss of control" over a player (Apppel)--even if it is warranted.

Jeremy Nygaard
02-23-2013, 02:50 PM
I thought the sanctions are applied to a team "that overpays the combined slot values threshold" in the following year's draft. Thus, if the Twins draft Apple, pay him this whopping amount, and are unable to carve it out from all of the following draft selections of the 2013 draft, then the sanctions apply to the 2014 draft. Those sanctions may include forfeiture of the Twins' 1st Round selection.

That is the biggest penalty. If they exceed the pool up to a certain percentage, they are taxed on the overage. The Pirates were willing to pay up to the dollar that would have lost them their 2013 pick, but not more. Boras wanted more. If the Twins pick goes unsigned, their pool will decrease by $4.5m. The Pirates saved as much money as they could and went to the deadline with Appel. They didn't have any time after that to spend the money they had saved.


I think if the Twins select him they may have to agree to immediately place him on the Active Roster (and leave him there for three years!) in order to reduce the signing bonus to "fit in the slot". While that strategy may be appropriate for Appel, it deviates from "The Twins Way" and opens the door for many other draftees in the future to demand the same concession. Given the Twins refusal to grant Mauer's request for deferred compensation with a guaranteed rate-of-return, I am certain that the Twins would choke on immediate placement on the Active Roster and the resultant "loss of control" over a player (Apppel)--even if it is warranted.

I've suggested similar, but no one is sure how this would work under the new CBA which prohibits Major-league deals. If he signs a lesser-bonus and is called up immediately, someone will cry foul... which would be exactly what Boras wants, because he'd claim Appel should then be a free agent.

diehardtwinsfan
02-23-2013, 03:25 PM
I think if the Twins select him they may have to agree to immediately place him on the Active Roster (and leave him there for three years!) in order to reduce the signing bonus to "fit in the slot".

The new CBA makes it clear that you cannot sign him to a major league contract. I suppose they could have a handshake agreement to add him to the 40 man right away, and given his talent level, they'd likely be able to send him to AA and if he succeeds do so, but this is not a requirement.

If 2014 is super deep, then yes, I'd draft Appel. I'd also do what Houston did and grab a couple more tough signs in later rounds. If Appel doesn't go for slot (or slightly over), then I take that money and throw it at them, but no way would I draft Appel and then not sign anyone else. Unless he's the second coming of Santana, you just don't do that.

Badsmerf
02-24-2013, 07:19 PM
This is going to be a fun story to follow this season. As much as I hate these kinds of guys/agents, Appel might be worth it. He has very little leverage in this scenario. My #1 question is how MLB ready is he? If he does fall to the Twins and ends up signing.... he could realistically be part of the 2014 Twins. Appel, Gibson, Worely, Hendriks, Diamond... with Maysie and Myersie knocking on the door? That would be a complete turn-around. If that happens.... I really hope the Twins don't chop up the MLB team, because that rotation would be pretty good.... dare I even say playoff caliber...

Jeremy Nygaard
03-01-2013, 09:59 PM
Appel dominates Texas. Box. (http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2012-2013/stan9.html)

gunnarthor
03-03-2013, 08:35 AM
Well, he keeps this up no way he'll be around at #4

jimbo92107
03-03-2013, 09:48 AM
Well, he keeps this up no way he'll be around at #4

That's the only sucky part. Appel clearly was an ace before this season. If he looks like a superstar ace, he'll get snapped up with the first pick irregardless of Scott Boras and the astronomical cost of the young man's services. And even if he does fall to #4, isn't he going to want Joe Mauer sized money?

Joe
03-03-2013, 10:31 AM
I don't remember the last player in the MLB draft to get a major league contract, but that would be an option right? I would think that would probably help with some bonus problems maybe?

cmb0252
03-03-2013, 11:03 AM
The new CBA doesn't allow major league contracts to draftees anymore. One option would be a handshake agreement to get Appel to the bigs ASAP to start his arbitration clock.

maxisagod
03-03-2013, 11:07 AM
I don't remember the last player in the MLB draft to get a major league contract, but that would be an option right? I would think that would probably help with some bonus problems maybe?
No not anymore, to be honest they did more Damage then good sometimes. If Appel shows off that he is clearly the best pick, he could still get by the Astros, but the Cubs and Rockies have good relationships with Boras, so one of them would pick him up.

raindog
03-03-2013, 12:15 PM
Is Stanford still abusing the crap out of his arm? That's one thing that concerns me with Appel.

cmb0252
03-03-2013, 12:26 PM
No not anymore, to be honest they did more Damage then good sometimes. If Appel shows off that he is clearly the best pick, he could still get by the Astros, but the Cubs and Rockies have good relationships with Boras, so one of them would pick him up.

I think you nailed it. If Appel, or Manaea for that matter, pitch like aces all year they wont be there at 4. All three teams above the Twins need pitching.

The real question is, for the people out there who think the Twins HAVE to take a pitcher, what if Appel, Manaea, and Stanek go 1-2-3 in some order? As I say this while Appel/Manaea have pitched like aces Stanek hasn't really impressed so far.

minn55441
03-03-2013, 12:57 PM
Best player available. Period.

Appel or Manaea fall to us at number 4, but we have to take whomever our scouts have rated the highest. Is there another Buxton out there? There is a lot of baseball to be played this spring before the draft. Who knows what player is going to step up and put together a phenomial season.

cmb0252
03-03-2013, 01:24 PM
Oh, I 100% agree that we need to take the BPA no matter what position but there are a lot of Twins fans that are still mad we took Buxton over a college arm last year. If the Twins took Clint Frazier, this years Buxton, peoples heads might explode.

While there is still a long way to go there have just been so many injuries this year, on top of this being a weak draft.Outside of Appel/Manaea no one is really separating themselves from the pack. It would just be nice if the Twins get lucky two years in a row and get the top talent again!

strumdatjag
03-03-2013, 02:45 PM
I hear that Appel may be represented by Scott Boras' Russian Alter-Ego along with his evil assistant Natasha Fatale. I don't think Boris will want Appel to fall far from his tree to anywhere near Frostbite Falls.

Kwak
03-03-2013, 03:04 PM
The Twins (like most everybody else) have critical needs at: starting pitching, power hitting, and shortstop. The Twins have also stated that "[we're] going to do this the 'right' way..."--so we must conclude that there will not be any "top-flight" free-agent signed. Thus, the Twins must meet their critical needs in the amateur draft or exchange multiple "prospects" like KC. If this presumed BPA isn't one of the above, they have wasted their pick--especially when this draft is projected to be thin on talent.

IdahoPilgrim
03-03-2013, 03:53 PM
If 2014 is super deep, then yes, I'd draft Appel. I'd also do what Houston did and grab a couple more tough signs in later rounds. If Appel doesn't go for slot (or slightly over), then I take that money and throw it at them, but no way would I draft Appel and then not sign anyone else. Unless he's the second coming of Santana, you just don't do that.

Maybe I am misunderstanding your idea, or the new CBA, but I don't think this is possible. If we draft Appel and he doesn't sign, his slot money can't be reapportioned to other picks - it disappears. You can only shift money among picks if a person signs for under slot. We do get an additional pick in the next year's draft, but it wouldn't help us in this year's draft.

James
03-03-2013, 04:13 PM
Maybe I am misunderstanding your idea, or the new CBA, but I don't think this is possible. If we draft Appel and he doesn't sign, his slot money can't be reapportioned to other picks - it disappears. You can only shift money among picks if a person signs for under slot. We do get an additional pick in the next year's draft, but it wouldn't help us in this year's draft.
You are 100% correct on this sb. If a player doesn't sign, his money is removed from the bonus pool and can't be used anywhere else.

gunnarthor
03-03-2013, 06:31 PM
I think you nailed it. If Appel, or Manaea for that matter, pitch like aces all year they wont be there at 4. All three teams above the Twins need pitching.

The real question is, for the people out there who think the Twins HAVE to take a pitcher, what if Appel, Manaea, and Stanek go 1-2-3 in some order? As I say this while Appel/Manaea have pitched like aces Stanek hasn't really impressed so far.

According to Mayo at MLB.com, the other three pitchers in his top 10 are two HS pitchers (Stewart and Ball, although Ball might be an OFer) and Florida junior Jonathan Crawford. I have no idea how well Crawford is doing now. Besides the two Georgia prep guys, there's also a good college third baseman who could jump up to #4, Kris Bryant. And obviously a few other guys will end up in strong consideration for #4.

cmb0252
03-03-2013, 07:28 PM
According to Mayo at MLB.com, the other three pitchers in his top 10 are two HS pitchers (Stewart and Ball, although Ball might be an OFer) and Florida junior Jonathan Crawford. I have no idea how well Crawford is doing now. Besides the two Georgia prep guys, there's also a good college third baseman who could jump up to #4, Kris Bryant. And obviously a few other guys will end up in strong consideration for #4.

Those are pretty much the names but this already weak draft has been hit pretty hard with injuries already. Stewart is out with a football injury, Whitsons out for the year, and Austin Wilson is out for awhile. All preseason top 10 type guys.

Put me in the camp of not being a fan of Ball or Crawford at all. While Crawford has two plus pitches, upper 90s fastball and slider, I have just read too many reports that say because of his delivery he might end up a RP. Ball just has too many question marks for me to like him at 4. Don't get me wrong, both these guys have plenty of time to prove me wrong but right now...gross!

If none of the top 3 arms are around, currently the top 3 specs IMO of the draft, my hope is that Bryant and/or Moran prove they can be 3B. If not, the Twins might be taking another toolsy Georgia outfielder!

Badsmerf
03-03-2013, 08:32 PM
I think there is a good chance the Cubs take Appel. I didn't even think about that.

Pitz
03-03-2013, 10:17 PM
If, when the Twins pick, there is nobody who is clearly the BPA, would they be wiser to sign somebody who would take less than slot and try to use the savings throughout the draft similar to what the Astros did last year? I don't know much about the depth of the draft, but it seems from the discussion that the top end talent is not particularly impressive.

mike wants wins
03-08-2013, 10:56 AM
Put me in the camp of wishing they had Appel right now, and not Buxton, but not so much that it makes me mad. I just think Appel has a high probability of being a legit number 2/3 starting pitcher. Buxton is so far away, the odds of him being great are smaller, even if his ceiling seems higher.

As for BPA, I guess I'd ask what that means....how big would the delta need to be between a HS kid that is 5 years away, and a college pitcher that you are pretty sure is going to work out (as sure as you can really be.....)? I mean, it's not like any of the players last year were Harper or Strasburg.

If they lose out on the big two starting pitchers this year, I find it hard to figure out where the starting pitchers are likely to come from. The best players are usually, usually, taken early in the draft. If you have high picks three years in a row, and you take HS outfielders every time, just where do the number 1/2 type pitchers come from?

diehardtwinsfan
03-08-2013, 08:24 PM
Yeah, I was in the camp for Gausman or Appel over Buxton as well. I'm not sure the whole BPA thing was clear either. Sickles gave Gausman a higher grade than Buxton, and I suspect he'd have done the same with Appel. Both of those guys were putting up 1/2 type numbers against competition that was closer to A+/AA. I think the move wasn't the brightest. Granted they weren't passing up on a Strasberg or Harper type guy to get Buxton, but with the ceilings on all being nice, the obvious need, and the fact that those guys were a lot closer, I'm still rather miffed about this one.

Jeremy Nygaard
03-09-2013, 09:07 AM
Appel's 15 strikeouts last night was a career-high, but took the loss on the heels of two unearned runs.

Game story (http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/030913aaa.html)

You have to think many teams in the Top 10 are going to better prepare themselves in the event that Appel drops. I would very much assume that the Twins will have a strong plan in place if Appel is on the board at #4 (i.e. have a lot of college seniors ready to go to save money in rounds 2-10)

greengoblinrulz
03-09-2013, 09:23 AM
Friday night
Appel 7IP 4h 3r 1er 15k (career high) 1bb.....lost 3-2

gunnarthor
03-09-2013, 09:23 AM
Appel's 15 strikeouts last night was a career-high, but took the loss on the heels of two unearned runs.

Game story (http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/030913aaa.html)

You have to think many teams in the Top 10 are going to better prepare themselves in the event that Appel drops. I would very much assume that the Twins will have a strong plan in place if Appel is on the board at #4 (i.e. have a lot of college seniors ready to go to save money in rounds 2-10)

I suppose but I don't see anyway he slips past the Cubs at this point. No one else has really even made a case for going #1.

Jim H
03-09-2013, 10:58 AM
"Yeah, I was in the camp for Gausman or Appel over Buxton as well. I'm not sure the whole BPA thing was clear either. Sickles gave Gausman a higher grade than Buxton, and I suspect he'd have done the same with Appel. Both of those guys were putting up 1/2 type numbers against competition that was closer to A+/AA. I think the move wasn't the brightest. Granted they weren't passing up on a Strasberg or Harper type guy to get Buxton, but with the ceilings on all being nice, the obvious need, and the fact that those guys were a lot closer, I'm still rather miffed about this one." QUOTE FROM DIEHARDTWINSFAN

I don't know if Glausman or Appel would of been a better pick than Buxton, but the idea that any college conference is better competition than even Rookie level ball is just wrong. There are very talented college players but most of them are freshmen or sophomores. There are polished college players but most of them are older and not talented enough to get drafted. A Rookie league team such Elizabethan, will have those same young talented college guys, just a year older. The rest of the roster will be 4 year college guys who got drafted, and high school kids or international signings who are very talented or have some experience, or they would be playing in the Gulf Coast league. There is certainly much more talent at Elizabethan than any college team out there. They are also more experienced, generally.

I have read many posters who equate college ball with lower minor league ball, but I just don't think that is a realistic comparsion. There are a few college teams with multiple future high draft choices, but most of the roster will not be drafted at all.

Brandon
03-09-2013, 04:02 PM
Appel is from Houston and will likely get drafted by Houston. Who else do you see Houston taking? They are going to take the hometown guy all things being equal. I think another reason he wasnt taken by Houston last year was that maybe Appel told them he wanted to finish college and Houston knew they were not going to be good last year and were going to get a top pick this year.

Seth Stohs
03-09-2013, 04:58 PM
Appel is from Houston and will likely get drafted by Houston. Who else do you see Houston taking? They are going to take the hometown guy all things being equal. I think another reason he wasnt taken by Houston last year was that maybe Appel told them he wanted to finish college and Houston knew they were not going to be good last year and were going to get a top pick this year.

Just like they did last year? They may take him, but I Don't think it's a given... but I think you make a good point.

Jeremy Nygaard
03-24-2013, 08:52 PM
Appel returned from break with a pretty dominant performance: 11 strikeouts along with 12 groundball outs.

A Boras client (Carlos Pena) did sign with the Astros this offseason, so there must have been/be an okay relationship there. I still think the smartest thing they can do is draft Appel and play hardball. Worst case scenario: Draft 1st and 2nd in a much better draft... not ideal, obviously; but hardly the end of the world for an organization that is improving (from the bottom up).

cmb0252
03-29-2013, 12:35 PM
Appel kept things going on Thursday vs Washington State throwing a complete game shut out. He allowed 4 hits and had a 10/1 K/BB. Man is a machine.

Mave
04-03-2013, 10:50 PM
I just jumped over here from the Jonathan Gray thread, and was thinking about the Appel vs. Gray debate when it comes to picking at number 4 (assuming the Twins would even have the luxury to choose)

I know that Boras is Appel's agent, but if a team decides that Appel can truly anchor a staff, then why not draft him, try your best with Boras (but likely end up paying the devil in the end) and inserting Appel into your rotation come September? It sounds like he has nothing left to prove on anywhere, so why not just pay the guy and let him get after it?

Also-- look at this list...

2013 MLB Top Total Salaries - Starting Pitcher (http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/mlb/starting-pitcher/)

Ryan Dempster, Ted Lilly (19 and 20, respectively) earn just north of $13 million. Now I have no idea what Boras would demand, but based on the new draft salary-structure, I would think that we could get Appel cheaper than this. And I would also have to believe Appel would contribute more to a roster both now and in the future than Dempster and Lilly.

Finally-- based on this money-talk, wouldn't it be worth it to get a stud in the draft if you truly think he is the one? I know drafting Appel would take up a huge portion of our available draft money, but in reality, how many contributing, major-league caliber players can a team count on finding in a single draft?

Sorry if this has already been touched on here... I just jumped over from another thread

mike wants wins
04-04-2013, 07:51 AM
They won't have a shot at Appel unless he gets hurt. The Cubs will be taking him. The Twins' hope is that Gray somehow falls. Otherwise it is another year w/o picking an ace type pitcher and going with some HS kid 6 years away. Just my guess.

diehardtwinsfan
04-04-2013, 11:00 AM
I'm not so certain about that. Manaea and Anderson both look like potential anchors and should be there. I'm not so certain while people are suddenly down on Manaea. He's had 1 bad start.

cmb0252
04-04-2013, 11:21 AM
Some HS kid 6 years away? Don't know who you are talking about but it clearly isn't Buxton.

As for Manaea, while he might only have one bad start, his stuff isn't there like it was in cape cod. His fastball has been a tick or two slower. His slider and control haven't been as consistent. College stats are great and all but scouts are looking for ability, not the final stat line.

If Appel( most likely) and Gray (decent chance) are gone by the Twins pick they will be in an interesting spot.

Badsmerf
04-04-2013, 12:22 PM
The way Appel has pitched, there is no way he is making it to the Twins. Boras has little leverage now and teams don't have to be scared to draft him. If Boras holds out again, he will have cost Appel millions. His best strategy would have been to let him sign and play right away because he might have seen serious MLB playing time this season. Now, he is backed up a year and if he doesn't sign he is backed up again.

ThePuck
04-04-2013, 12:34 PM
Some HS kid 6 years away? Don't know who you are talking about but it clearly isn't Buxton.



For the record, how long do you think Buxton will spend in the minors?

cmb0252
04-04-2013, 01:05 PM
For the record, how long do you think Buxton will spend in the minors?

BA has Buxtons ETA at 2015 which seems a little aggressive but when you have a freak athlete with Buxtons work ethic it is completely possible. Personally I think Buxton will be up to stay in 2016.

But anyways....this is the Appel section and not the OMG why did the twins take a HS OF and not a college pitcher section. We already have enough of those.

I agree with most people here that there is no way Appel is going to make it to the Twins at 4. Even if the Astros pass on him the Cubs wont. They need pitching in the minors almost as bad as us.

mike wants wins
04-04-2013, 01:08 PM
When did I say Buxton would be 6 years away? Not one time in this thread.

kab21
04-04-2013, 01:12 PM
As for Manaea, while he might only have one bad start, his stuff isn't there like it was in cape cod. His fastball has been a tick or two slower. His slider and control haven't been as consistent. College stats are great and all but scouts are looking for ability, not the final stat line.

If Appel( most likely) and Gray (decent chance) are gone by the Twins pick they will be in an interesting spot.

These issues have been known for some time. I think many put Manaea into front of the rotation anchor tier based on him magically solving these by draft time. Imo Manaea continues to be the same prospect that he was a couple of months ago. He has good upside but isn't a sure thing.

Appel has seemingly pulled away from the competition and Gray has moved into the spot that Manaea was put into.

The Twins look like they will be in a tough spot in the draft. I don't have a problem with drafting a HS'er if he's the best talent and good top 5 overall picks don't take 6 yrs. The key is to pick a good top 5 pick and not the Beckhams, Tates or Bushes but that's the risk with HS'ers.

cmb0252
04-29-2013, 02:45 PM
After several very unspectacular weeks Appel came out and pitched well.
9/2 K/BB, 8.1 innings, 8 hits, 1 ER,
Appel had fifteen, yes fifteen, ground ball outs against one fly out.