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Seth Stohs
02-14-2013, 11:38 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1373-Twins-Sign-Lefty-Reliever-Rafael-Perez

johnnydakota
02-14-2013, 11:43 AM
Just read it in mlb rumors, not sure if he has an invite to spring training , or how effective he will be , but to me he should be competition to the 3rd lefty relievers spot

gunnarthor
02-14-2013, 11:49 AM
Decent low risk signing. More depth to our bullpen.

fairweather
02-14-2013, 11:50 AM
I wounder if this is a sign that the Twins intend to have Duensing hold down Diamonds rotation spot should Diamond be unable to start the season on time?

Seth Stohs
02-14-2013, 11:53 AM
He does have an invite to spring training and will be reporting on Saturday. According to Rob Antony, he just threw his first bullpen a week ago.

luckylager
02-14-2013, 11:54 AM
Great if he is healthy again!

nicksaviking
02-14-2013, 11:58 AM
Um, LE3 kind of missed the big point. Rob Anthony says they are looking to give him a chance to start. Strange.

Rhett Bollinger:
https://twitter.com/RhettBollinger/status/302105725516271616

His last 180 MLB innings he has seen a 5.8 K/9 out of the pen. That should translate really nicely as a starter.

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 12:16 PM
I'm on board with this. OTOH, it's yet another signing of a player that another team has given up on via a non-tender due to injury.

I guess this means the front office thinks they have a medical staff better than these other teams'.

At some point, pitchers are going to look around themselves in Fort Myers in late February and mutter "what am I doing here with all these guys in arm-slings and leg-casts and neck-braces and eye-patches? They must think I'm a reclamation project too. Ugh. Maybe this full-body cast and hook-hand aren't such good fashion statements after all."

notoriousgod71
02-14-2013, 01:34 PM
But, get this, they want to stretch him out to see if he can be a starter.

Pretty gutsy/stupid to try and do that to a guy that has never started a ML game and only managed 7 innings last year. The one thing he has going for him, however, is that his career splits don't scream out Brian Duensing.

I always liked him coming out of the Indians pen. Hopefully at the very least he returns to form as a set up guy.

edavis0308
02-14-2013, 01:36 PM
Solid minor league signing. Leave him in relief. Trying him as a starter coming off shoulder surgery doesnt make a whole lot of sense.

Seth Stohs
02-14-2013, 01:38 PM
move the Perez discussions to the Perez article's comments, please.

edavis0308
02-14-2013, 01:42 PM
Apologies. How are we supposed to know that there is an article posted though, without visiting the front page? Check the front page more often? ;)

savvyspy
02-14-2013, 01:47 PM
Roster filler. Countdown to 100 loses in T-minus 3....2.....1.....

ScottyB
02-14-2013, 01:53 PM
According to Zulgad/Mackey Perez's agent requested that they consider him for a starting spot. His splits appear to be balanced righty/lefty wise unlike Duensing.

Rosterman
02-14-2013, 02:00 PM
Solid pick-up place setter if you wish to offer more time to Robertson and Theilbar. The Twins need some left-handed support, especially if Perkins IS the closer and Diamond starts the season on the DL. You could get by with just Duensing in the bullpen (with closer Perkins) if you had a second starter in the rotation who would consistently go 6-7 innings (Saunders). But the Twins don't and probably won't. Has a team ever started a season with no lefties at all on the pitching staff?

drjim
02-14-2013, 02:02 PM
move the Perez discussions to the Perez article's comments, please.

Where is the article?

Seth Stohs
02-14-2013, 02:15 PM
Where is the article?

At the top of the front page.

SpiritofVodkaDave
02-14-2013, 02:20 PM
Why are the Twins signing guys who can potentially be good SP or very good RP when they could be signing a 7th AAAA Catcher? God, it's clear Terry Ryan just doesn't care any more.

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 02:51 PM
I always liked him coming out of the Indians pen.

It would figure. His splits according to baseball-reference.com indicate he has had more sustained success against the Twins than against anyone else, holding the Twins' stellar cadre of sluggers to a .547 OPS versus .687 for all opponents combined. He's better than average (pre-injury) but against the Twins he's looked like Nolan Mathewson and Walter Seaver combined.

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 02:55 PM
move the Perez discussions to the Perez article's comments, please.

I guess you haven't seen the other thread where PocketPig is trying to debug the inability to see comments on articles appearing on the front page. There may be a reason when some of us don't quite follow protocol.

LoganJones
02-14-2013, 03:19 PM
Solid pick-up place setter if you wish to offer more time to Robertson and Theilbar. The Twins need some left-handed support, especially if Perkins IS the closer and Diamond starts the season on the DL. You could get by with just Duensing in the bullpen (with closer Perkins) if you had a second starter in the rotation who would consistently go 6-7 innings (Saunders). But the Twins don't and probably won't. Has a team ever started a season with no lefties at all on the pitching staff?
Kansas City a couple years back. Dick mentioned it repeatedly the whole season. He was utterly fascinated by it.

jokin
02-14-2013, 03:28 PM
Why are the Twins signing guys who can potentially be good SP or very good RP when they could be signing a 7th AAAA Catcher? God, it's clear Terry Ryan just doesn't care any more.

Obsess much?

Please cite the evidence that Perez is a "potentially good SP". Perhaps his 0.92 IP/Appearance since 2008? Or the last time he actually started a game?- 7 starts in AAA in 2007. Or maybe the fact that he went 60-day DL and pitched all of 7.2 innings last year because of the damage done to his arm by throwing 60% sliders the last 2 years when he had to rely heavily on another pitch to stay in the league- given that he has lost nearly 5MPH on his fastball. Or maybe not having any viable offer since he was DFAd in November?

I'll give the Twins this, they maintained their pattern of low-risk/high reward signings- along with the accompanying pie in the sky PR hyperbole. Coming back to reality and crossing of fingers, there's a fighting chance he could be serviceable as a RP, Burton came in last year with lower expectations than Perez.

Going back to the Catcher/MI ongoing debacle, at least Ryan signed JR Towles (,770 AAA OPS) to give some semblance of embarrassment and urgency about carrying a bench player with a career .497 OPS. This year? Not so much.

Kwak
02-14-2013, 03:33 PM
I guess this is place where we are to comment. My page has only one comment on it as opposed to page linked from the left. He signed to a MiLB contract so this seems like a low-risk investment. Goodness, the Twins could use improvement in the pen so I can't see any big deal.

benhertz
02-14-2013, 03:34 PM
Mauer: 3-12, 2B, 2 BB, 2 K, .690 OPS
Morneau: 4-19, 2B, 2 BB, K, .536 OPS
_ _ _ _ _
Span: 1-13, 2 BB, 5 K, .264 OPS
Thome: 1-18, BB, 7 K, GIDP, .161 OPS

SpiritofVodkaDave
02-14-2013, 03:46 PM
This ignore feature is pretty nice.

jokin
02-14-2013, 03:49 PM
This ignore feature is pretty nice.

And yet, you somehow still found a way to comment.

In addition, nice response to the facts presented in reply to your assertion about Perez being a "potentially good SP". Sky color in your world, again?

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 04:28 PM
And yet, you somehow still found a way to comment.

In addition, nice response to the facts presented in reply to your assertion about Perez being a "potentially good SP". Sky color in your world, again?

Oh, Brother.

luke829
02-14-2013, 04:47 PM
War- Why can't We be friends? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc)

mcrow
02-14-2013, 04:49 PM
I'm all for kicking tires so if it doesn't cost you much why not?

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 04:54 PM
I'm all for kicking tires so if it doesn't cost you much why not?

I guess you didn't see that superbowl ad.

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 04:55 PM
War- Why can't We be friends? - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPdVpdMc)

WAR is a very overrated stat.

mcrow
02-14-2013, 04:56 PM
I guess you didn't see that superbowl ad.

Nope, no idea at all what you mean. :confused:

jokin
02-14-2013, 04:59 PM
I'm all for kicking tires so if it doesn't cost you much why not?

I'm guessing the fact of Perez not having his tires kicked since November AND being a lefty, means the Twins got him for realllly cheap. The Twins have 2 legit lefty BP options- unfortuantely, one is the Closer and the other they continue to have wet dreams about returning to the rotation. The current third option still has a lot to prove if his upside is anything other than a LOOGY. While this is clearly a move from weakness rather than strength- If Perez gives 50% worth of Burton's production in 2012 (0.9 WAR) then TR successfully repolished a tarnished gem, certainly worth finding out.

ashburyjohn
02-14-2013, 05:02 PM
Nope, no idea at all what you mean. :confused:

Kia fembots get a bit protective over their distant cousin. Had to be there, I guess.

greengoblinrulz
02-14-2013, 05:13 PM
21 posts on this thread vs 12 (tho you can only see one!!!) on the main page (which I didnt initially see either).....you guys are gonna get someone mad!!!!

148Ks in 137IP 108h 38bb 1.06whip in 07/08 but only 105k in 179.2IP 202H 73bb 1.53whip since......what happenned??
Obviously the past 4 yrs caught the Twins/Rick Andersons attention!!

Thrylos
02-14-2013, 05:23 PM
He will be the Matt Malloney replacement. I have no issues with this, unless they consider him ahead of Tyler Robertson as far as depth goes...

jokin
02-14-2013, 05:51 PM
21 posts on this thread vs 12 (tho you can only see one!!!) on the main page (which I didnt initially see either).....you guys are gonna get someone mad!!!!

148Ks in 137IP 108h 38bb 1.06whip in 07/08 but only 105k in 179.2IP 202H 73bb 1.53whip since......what happenned??
Obviously the past 4 yrs caught the Twins/Rick Andersons attention!!

According to Rob St Antony and Dave St Vodka, those numbers make him a prime starting candidate.

He's continued to lose a ton of velocity in the last few years and has been begun relying heavily on one pitch the last two, apparently resulting in his arm to begin to breakdown. Okay, then, let's give iron man the ball every 5th day., then.

mike wants wins
02-14-2013, 08:01 PM
Thank god we taxpayers built target field, it is signings like this that make paying higher taxes totally worth it. But then, now that they have target field, Dave is saying payroll does not matter.

LaBombo
02-14-2013, 09:15 PM
WAR is a very overrated stat.

In what way? In single season serving size and unadjusted for age and other factors, it's not a very good predictive tool, but then it wasn't meant to be. As far as quantifying what a player did to help his team win in a give season, it's awfully good.

LaBombo
02-14-2013, 09:16 PM
Oh, Brother.

So Vodka goes off topic and you're blaming it on jokin?

Oldgoat_MN
02-14-2013, 10:36 PM
There is no blame.
There is only peace. And what it offers us and our brothers.

SpiritofVodkaDave
02-14-2013, 10:41 PM
Thank god we taxpayers built target field, it is signings like this that make paying higher taxes totally worth it. But then, now that they have target field, Dave is saying payroll does not matter.
Not my tax dollars!

I have never said payroll doesn't matter, I have been saying I wouldn't give out any 2 year contracts that restrict payroll for 2014 on forward when we have a good shot to compete. Also the entire off-season I was saying I wanted to give guys like Johnson, Marcum and Saunders one year deals. Though maybe giving guys like Hendriks and lesser guys like DeDuno a longer look this year it could be more beneficial for the future as well (let's find out who is legit and who isn't). We really should have tried to bring in a MI with upside though. That is very disappointing.

ashburyjohn
02-15-2013, 12:49 AM
In what way? In single season serving size and unadjusted for age and other factors, it's not a very good predictive tool, but then it wasn't meant to be. As far as quantifying what a player did to help his team win in a give season, it's awfully good.

Was responding to a tongue-in-cheek posting invoking the name of the old rock band War, with a bit of silliness of my own, that wound up being too much like trolling. Maybe should have gone with "War, what is it good for, absolutely nothin', say it again" instead. I have nothing really against WAR as a handy all-purpose yardstick if it's not taken overly seriously.

ashburyjohn
02-15-2013, 12:52 AM
So Vodka goes off topic and you're blaming it on jokin?

No, now I'm blaming it on you, my brother.

old nurse
02-15-2013, 05:23 AM
Was responding to a tongue-in-cheek posting invoking the name of the old rock band War, with a bit of silliness of my own, that wound up being too much like trolling. Maybe should have gone with "War, what is it good for, absolutely nothin', say it again" instead. I have nothing really against WAR as a handy all-purpose yardstick if it's not taken overly seriously.
Subtle humor gets lost on this board unless most of what you post is snark.

mike wants wins
02-15-2013, 08:28 AM
Dave, I meant Dave St. Peter is now saynig payroll does not matter.....which is fascinating, given all the lobbying he did to get a new stadium to make the team more competitive....because, you know, they needed more revenue.

fairweather
02-15-2013, 09:46 AM
Payroll doesn't really matter look at Tampa. Still the idea of those snakey freaking Pohlads pocketing a larger percentage of the profit makes me physically ill. As far as looking at Perez as a SP I say why not. Still I think this signing means Duensing will start the season holding down Diamond's rotation spot is the more likely outcome.

LaBombo
02-15-2013, 10:03 AM
No, now I'm blaming it on you, my brother.

In the absence of reason, consistency will have to do.

edavis0308
02-15-2013, 10:16 AM
Payroll doesn't really matter look at Tampa. Still the idea of those snakey freaking Pohlads pocketing a larger percentage of the profit makes me physically ill. As far as looking at Perez as a SP I say why not. Still I think this signing means Duensing will start the season holding down Diamond's rotation spot is the more likely outcome.

Those high draft picks for a decade didnt hurt either.

LaBombo
02-15-2013, 10:20 AM
Was responding to a tongue-in-cheek posting invoking the name of the old rock band War, with a bit of silliness of my own, that wound up being too much like trolling. Maybe should have gone with "War, what is it good for, absolutely nothin', say it again" instead. I have nothing really against WAR as a handy all-purpose yardstick if it's not taken overly seriously.

Fair enough, although the stat is much, much more useful than the juvenile, nonsensical song it shares a name with. Correlates to wins at about an 85 or 90 percent clip.

LaBombo
02-15-2013, 10:32 AM
Dave, I meant Dave St. Peter is now saynig payroll does not matter.....which is fascinating, given all the lobbying he did to get a new stadium to make the team more competitive....because, you know, they needed more revenue.

In the movie As Good As It Gets, Nicholson is a writer who is asked how he 'writes women so well', to which he replies "i think of a man. And I take away reason and accountability".

That's pretty much the Twins. A professional sports franchise, minus the reason and accountability.

ashburyjohn
02-15-2013, 12:54 PM
Subtle humor gets lost on this board unless most of what you post is snark.

I remind myself of that frequently, and sometimes I care, sometimes I don't. You're right that a percentage of around 50% is almost exactly anti-optimal. Unless 100% of my snark quota is funny, which it ain't.

snepp
02-15-2013, 01:01 PM
I remind myself of that frequently, and sometimes I care, sometimes I don't. You're right that a percentage of around 50% is almost exactly anti-optimal. Unless 100% of my snark quota is funny, which it ain't.

I'm 100% certain that I'm at least 25% confused by 50% of this post.

LoganJones
02-15-2013, 01:03 PM
In the movie As Good As It Gets, Nicholson is a writer who is asked how he 'writes women so well', to which he replies "i think of a man. And I take away reason and accountability".

That's pretty much the Twins. A professional sports franchise, minus the reason and accountability.
Might not want to quote a character line that was written to make him look like a misanthrope to support your position.

ThePuck
02-15-2013, 01:29 PM
Those high draft picks for a decade didnt hurt either.

Pittsburg...Kansas City...

raindog
02-16-2013, 02:52 PM
Might not want to quote a character line that was written to make him look like a misanthrope to support your position.

Exactly.