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John Bonnes
02-11-2013, 04:42 PM
I find it somewhat interesting that one of Worley's worst days as a pitcher came at Hammond Stadium when he was trying to make the Phils last year. I also find it interesting that off-speed stuff seems to be more critical in the AL...


"For me, there's probably more breaking balls (to throw) in the American League. But in the end, it's still my stuff versus your stuff," he said. "It's just figuring out the hitters in this league."

Minnesota Twins' Vance Worley returns to scene of 'worst outing' - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_22566886/minnesota-twins-vance-worley-returns-scene-worst-outing)

Riverbrian
02-11-2013, 05:05 PM
I'm very optimistic about Worley. I read a lot of comments about him being a 3 or a 4.

That may be so... Afterall... last year was a very average year numbers wise... But... There was nothing average about his 2011 season. He was very sharp in 2011 and 2012 could be written off as injury related or sophomore jinx related.

Until he shows me differently in 2013... I'm starting the season with the expectation that Worley is what he was in 2011 and will lead this staff and lead it well.

Oldgoat_MN
02-11-2013, 05:15 PM
Each pitching staff has an Ace, relative to the other starters.
I believe he is ours.
May was the featured pitcher in that trade, but Worley could be a great addition and he could be a Twin for years.
Let's have it go that way!

70charger
02-11-2013, 05:19 PM
I admit I'm optimistic about Worley's talent level too. I just hope the offseason health concerns have been taken care of. I hope bone chips are just bone chips.

Willihammer
02-11-2013, 06:10 PM
I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.661


2nd PA in G as SP
0.72


3rd PA in G as SP
0.843


4th+ PA in G as SP
0.964

Riverbrian
02-11-2013, 06:14 PM
I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.661


2nd PA in G as SP
0.72


3rd PA in G as SP
0.843


4th+ PA in G as SP
0.964




Is that 2012 or career?

Willihammer
02-11-2013, 06:25 PM
Career. He's not exactly treding in the right direction though

2012



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.62


2nd PA in G as SP
0.863


3rd PA in G as SP
0.971


4th+ PA in G as SP
1.064

old nurse
02-11-2013, 06:25 PM
I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why



Split

OPS



1st PA in G as SP

0.661



2nd PA in G as SP

0.72



3rd PA in G as SP

0.843



4th+ PA in G as SP

0.964





Be mindfull that the third and definately the fourth round of numbers would tend to higher due to facing the top of the order and probably missing the bottom. As it would appear that he averages about 6 IP/start, it would be more likely that if he were removed, it would be facing the top of the order. No I did not go back and look at any games..

Willihammer
02-11-2013, 06:37 PM
Outs will tend to be harder to get as guys see more of your pitches, yes, but those numbers suggest to me that his future is in relief.

By comparison

Joe Saunders



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.77


2nd PA in G as SP
0.747


3rd PA in G as SP
0.778


4th+ PA in G as SP
0.72




Anibal



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.697


2nd PA in G as SP
0.648


3rd PA in G as SP
0.81


4th+ PA in G as SP
0.679




McCarthy



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.694


2nd PA in G as SP
0.712


3rd PA in G as SP
0.759


4th+ PA in G as SP
0.766




Marcum



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.657


2nd PA in G as SP
0.728


3rd PA in G as SP
0.737


4th+ PA in G as SP
0.769

snepp
02-11-2013, 06:39 PM
It should be noted that the "4th+" figure came in all of 22 plate appearances.

Willihammer
02-11-2013, 06:40 PM
And, as you'd expect, Correia is just as bad



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.725


2nd PA in G as SP
0.722


3rd PA in G as SP
0.868


4th+ PA in G as SP
1.083

PseudoSABR
02-11-2013, 07:24 PM
And, as you'd expect, Correia is just as bad



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.725


2nd PA in G as SP
0.722


3rd PA in G as SP
0.868


4th+ PA in G as SP
1.083



Actually he's better, esp. if you minimize the 4th+ PA...

Thrylos
02-11-2013, 07:49 PM
One thing you have to note: Worley was 24 last season. Before his prime. Young pitchers improve and I hope that those numbers change. Marcum is over his prime and the same with Saunders. Hard to compare those guys to a 24 year old

ThePuck
02-11-2013, 08:21 PM
Worley has also never pitched more than 135 or so major league innings...and he pitched in the NL

The Wise One
02-11-2013, 08:49 PM
I am not hopeful for Worley and this is why


You have no faith in two pitching coaches, a former all star catcher as coach, and a former MVP and all star catcher will be able to add to Worley's knowledge and make him a better pitcher?

Riverbrian
02-11-2013, 10:14 PM
Career. He's not exactly treding in the right direction though

2012



Split
OPS


1st PA in G as SP
0.62


2nd PA in G as SP
0.863


3rd PA in G as SP
0.971


4th+ PA in G as SP
1.064




Thanks Hammer... Interesting stats to look at.

He's still on the innings low side... the numbers need to stabalize and I remain hopeful that the numbers stabilize in the right direction as the inning count goes forward.

The Vanimal... I can't wait for April. Let's go.