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Steve Lein
02-01-2013, 03:02 PM
I think you need the subscription, but here's the link:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/prospects/winter-baseball/winter-wonders/2013/2614603.html

Eddie Rosario comes in at #2 behind Oscar Taveras of the Cardinals, one of the best prospects in all of baseball.

One quote: "...his hit tool is impressive."

He hit .338 (2nd in PR League), got on base at a .386 clip, and slugged .496 (4th in PR League).

And you'll never guess who came in at #10: Deolis Guerra.

31:5 K:BB ration in 26 innings. Had a 3.81 ERA, but If you take out his last appearance of the season (2.1 IP, 5 ER's), that number was 2.28. Wonder how much of a chance he'll get.

ashburyjohn
02-01-2013, 03:23 PM
Had a 3.81 ERA, but If you take out his last appearance of the season (2.1 IP, 5 ER's), that number was 2.28. Wonder how much of a chance he'll get.

Definitely worth not giving up on him. OTOH, if you take out the worst 10% of a pitcher's innings, we'd have a lot more Cy Young candidates; and removing their 10% worst plate appearances would leave some guys hitting above .400. :)

gunnarthor
02-01-2013, 03:32 PM
Thanks for posting that Steve. Nice to hear about Eddie still hitting.

Steve Lein
02-01-2013, 03:53 PM
Definitely worth not giving up on him. OTOH, if you take out the worst 10% of a pitcher's innings, we'd have a lot more Cy Young candidates; and removing their 10% worst plate appearances would leave some guys hitting above .400. :)

Agreed, but hypothetical question: Would you rather have guy who makes say, 9 appearances, 1 inning each time, and gives up 9 runs in 1 of them and no runs in the other 8; or a guy who gives up 1 run in each of those 9 games? They both have the same ERA over that period, but I would argue the first guy did a lot more good than the second.

ashburyjohn
02-01-2013, 04:26 PM
Agreed, but hypothetical question: Would you rather have guy who makes say, 9 appearances, 1 inning each time, and gives up 9 runs in 1 of them and no runs in the other 8; or a guy who gives up 1 run in each of those 9 games? They both have the same ERA over that period, but I would argue the first guy did a lot more good than the second.

Depends on how they felt about blowing the lead in that one game 9-8. :)

I feel sure someone with a bit more know-how than I have must have designed a pitching statistic by now to measure the variance in earned runs, as a supplement to the mean (ERA). A starter with an ERA of 3.00 but high variance might not be as valuable as someone with the same ERA but steadier; a guy with a 6.00 but high variance might be more valuable than he seems.

kab21
02-02-2013, 01:35 AM
Is Guerra incapable of pitching with runners on base?

He's had very good K:BB ratios the last two seasons but he has a 5 ERA in that time. At this point I think he looks like a guy that just underperforms his peripherals but I'll still give him a chance. I have always been interested to see where his velocity bumped up to in the bullpen. I remember that he came from the Mets with a probably exaggerated low to mid 90's FB but after the Twins tinkering and maybe an injury he was throwing in the mid to upper 80's.

old nurse
02-02-2013, 01:58 AM
Is Guerra incapable of pitching with runners on base?

He's had very good K:BB ratios the last two seasons but he has a 5 ERA in that time. At this point I think he looks like a guy that just underperforms his peripherals but I'll still give him a chance. I have always been interested to see where his velocity bumped up to in the bullpen. I remember that he came from the Mets with a probably exaggerated low to mid 90's FB but after the Twins tinkering and maybe an injury he was throwing in the mid to upper 80's.
sickles says 92-94 Minor League Notes, May 3, 2012 - Minor League Ball (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/5/3/2996709/minor-league-notes-may-3-2012-austin-wright-deolis-guerra-charlie-lowell-manny-banuelos)

Jim H
02-02-2013, 11:12 AM
One other guy who may of helped his stock this winter was Colabello(sp?). It is hard to think of someone 29 as a prospect, and his ceiling is not considered to be high. Still, he was very good in Mexico, and may have some slight chance of being the 25th guy on the roster, or perhaps be a call up during the season.