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jcphitman
12-02-2012, 11:01 AM
My apologies if this was already posted by someone else. I didn't see a topic dedicated to Jurrjens, so I figured I may as well post thoughts and get the discussion started.

Bottom line: Do we take a chance on him and how much do we pay him?

Positives:
-26 years old (27 in Jan)
-Had success prior to 2012 and was selected to 2011 AS Game.
-Young enough to possibly "get fixed" and improve his game.
-Probably won't sign a big money deal anywhere and could be a trade chip if/when we aren't contending by trade deadline.
-Low risk/high reward type of signing.

Negatives:
-Really bad 2012.
-Lost velocity
-Braves non-tendered him for a reason. Some think they did it sooner than they should have (wasn't he guaranteed 5.5 million?? Sounds ok enough to take a risk on him for 2013, but they cut him for a reason ... should be a warning to the rest of the league).
-Scott Boras client.
-A lot of fans from other teams are interested in their teams signing him. Will drive up bidding from other teams and possibly put the Twins out of it right away (especially with Boras as his agent).

What do people think would be a fair contract for Jurrjens? Would he be open to a one year make good contract with a lot of incentives? I doubt it with many teams interested. It only takes one team to offer him something insane. I have a feeling he'll get a multi-year deal. Maybe he'll even get an offer better than what the Braves would have been able to sign him for?

I'm guessing he goes 1 year at 5 million with some sort of option for 7-8 million for 2014.

The Twins could take the risk needing so many starters. He's an interesting name. They just need out-bid other teams and be confident he can be fixed, which I doubt will happen with Rick Anderson as the pitching coach. We'll probably see him sign elsewhere, but it's still a fun topic to discuss.

biggentleben
12-02-2012, 12:03 PM
There's a post on this already that's less than a week old..

Brandon
12-02-2012, 12:22 PM
I feel at this point the 2 top pitching targets for Minnesota are Myers and Jurrgens. I cant wait till we get at least one pitcher signed and out of the way.

minn55441
12-02-2012, 12:36 PM
It would be nice getting a least one starting pitcher that was thrown to the curb by another team. I'm all for giving guys a second chance but I don't think we should use them to build the foundation of our pitching staff. Sign a few of these guys at 6th or 7th options, just in case we have an injury or one of these guys recaptures past success, but not as one of the 5 opening day starters.

diehardtwinsfan
12-02-2012, 12:46 PM
He'll get his shot... problem is that he was never a big K guy to begin with and seems to have gone downhill. The Braves thought he was too expensive to offer more arb... I'm guessing he gets 1yr 3M at best.

biggentleben
12-02-2012, 01:39 PM
His required salary was $4.4M in arbitration at maximum decrease. He wasn't worth that for sure.

Seth Stohs
12-02-2012, 01:55 PM
I love reclamation projects, if the price is right... give him $2-3 million base, throw in a couple of incentives... I'd love an option... absolutely!

jcphitman
01-07-2013, 09:28 PM
I felt like re-visiting this thread today. Just read somewhere on a Mets blog that Saunders wants three years and is sitting on a few two year offers hoping a third will come (the blog also said Santana was done after this year with the Mets as they won't re-sign him ... has it been that long since the trade already???).

The blog linked to an article of the Mets giving Jurrjens a shot. My question is why haven't the Twins been more involved in signing this guy? He was awful last year, but his career ERA is still 3.62 (or around that ... going from memory here). He's 26 years old and has a chance to figure it out. Why not toss a couple million his way for one year? As we get into later in the month, he'll probably even be cheaper.

I have no idea why we haven't heard more Jurrjens to the Twins hype? If they won't go three years for Saunders or give Marcum what he wants, why not go for youth with at least a chance of fixing things?

What am I missing here? It seems like no team is going after Jurrjens ...if we give Harden a chance, why not Jurrjens?

old nurse
01-07-2013, 10:25 PM
If Jurrgens' loss of velocity is due to a medical one that would be your answer why no one has signed him. There are no reports out there that I can find.

beckmt
01-08-2013, 04:43 AM
Do not want anything to do with Jurrgens. Has good years and bad years, loss of velocity is a red flag.

Seth Stohs
01-16-2013, 11:52 AM
I was told by someone closer to the Jurrjens camp that he would likely sign immediately if offered 1 year, $3 Million MLB contract. Not sure he'd get that at this point in the offseason, but he's got the right agent to get it.

Rosterman
01-16-2013, 12:10 PM
Saunders wants that third year, guaranteed. Jair will get a minor league contract and invite, and probably have to settle for $1 milllion or so in the end. Hey, Capps and Rauch and LaTroy are still out there looking for work. And what does the future hold for Johan Santana!

Seth Stohs
01-16-2013, 12:16 PM
And what does the future hold for Johan Santana!

Well, he's owed $31 million in 2013 ($25.5 million salary with a $25 million option for 2014 with a $5.5 million buyout).

DelawareTwinsFan
01-16-2013, 01:55 PM
Not to have fun at someone elses expense, but you've got to love a team overspend on old talent and now pay for it by hanging on to a back end of the rotation guy and pay him ace money. We still can't quite have the last laugh since we passed on Boston's deals in which any of the following Lester, Ellsbury, Masterson or Lowry would have been better than Guerra, Gomez, Humber and the other guy.

edavis0308
01-24-2013, 10:19 PM
Per mlbtr. Orioles for $1.5M with incentives up to $4M. Uhhhhhhhhhhh

jokin
01-24-2013, 11:08 PM
Per mlbtr. Orioles for $1.5M with incentives up to $4M. Uhhhhhhhhhhh

Another one bites the dust. Last spec-upside guy left available is Dallas Braden. When's the Brandon Webb audition?

jokin
01-24-2013, 11:09 PM
Saunders wants that third year, guaranteed. Jair will get a minor league contract and invite, and probably have to settle for $1 milllion or so in the end. Hey, Capps and Rauch and LaTroy are still out there looking for work. And what does the future hold for Johan Santana!

Missed it by that[ ] much!

70charger
01-24-2013, 11:20 PM
I'm disappointed in this too. On the other Jair Jurrjens thread, I said that he had quite the potential and the history to be a great reclamation project. I would have loved to have picked him up. Oh well.

Nick Nelson
01-25-2013, 12:02 AM
Meh.

edavis0308
01-25-2013, 08:10 AM
Meh.

I do agree this one is more meh for me too, but what the hell? Did the guy have next to no interest out there?

SpiritofVodkaDave
01-25-2013, 09:48 AM
I'd much rather have Pelfrey then Jurrjens, best case scenario is that JJ is a decent #5 this year, we have plenty of those.

nicksaviking
01-25-2013, 10:45 AM
Besides the fact that his base contract is 15% of Correia's, I could care less. All these soft tossers are starting to look the same to me. Mark me down for a Meh vote too.

Mark_RM
01-25-2013, 01:27 PM
ESPN is reporting the Jair Jurrjens just agreed to a deal with Baltimore, 1 year for $1.5 million plus incentives Report -- Jair Jurrjens, Baltimore Orioles reach 1-year, $1.5M deal - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8879155/report-jair-jurrjens-baltimore-orioles-reach-1-year-15m-deal). It doesn't seem like a bad roll of the dice on a guy that is 1 year removed from a season of 2.96 ERA, 152 IP, and 1.22 WHIP.

snepp
01-25-2013, 01:31 PM
http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/4283-jair-jurrjens.html

Nick Nelson
01-25-2013, 01:55 PM
I do agree this one is more meh for me too, but what the hell? Did the guy have next to no interest out there?
Given that he was pretty crummy even in Triple-A last year and his velocity has continually declined throughout his career, it isn't hard to see why.

John Bonnes
01-25-2013, 02:14 PM
I wonder if this makes it more likely that Joe Saunders comes to the Twins?

rickyriolo
01-25-2013, 02:27 PM
Carl Pavano just ruptured his spleen shoveling snow in his driveway in Vermont...TR should jump on that one. Another injured pitcher for $3 M --poof another starter for this year....this GM stuff is just too easy

edavis0308
01-25-2013, 02:53 PM
http://twinsdaily.com/twins-talk/4283-jair-jurrjens.html

Wait what?

snepp
01-25-2013, 03:15 PM
Wait what?

What?

Badsmerf
01-25-2013, 07:33 PM
Why are we sending Jair to Baltimore?

Haddyz
01-25-2013, 09:17 PM
I've probably been one of the fools in the world that's followed Jair Jurrjens with some regularity. For that reason, I'm probably higher on him than a lot of people. I wanted the Twins to trade for him previously. Would have liked this flier much more than a couple of the fliers we took thus far.

Once in a while, that Twins will have to bring in a guy with some attitude. I don't want nice guys lining our dugout all the time. Not to say Jair is a bad guy, or an attitudey guy, but go after the Sidney Ponson's of the world. Oh wait.

jokin
01-25-2013, 09:21 PM
Given that he was pretty crummy even in Triple-A last year and his velocity has continually declined throughout his career, it isn't hard to see why.

Uhh, the drop in velocity has only occurred in the last 2 years, his velocity stayed consistently in the 91MPH range in his previous 4 MLB years. and, BTW, despite the velocity drop, his 2011 season was a terrific year for him with a 2.96ERA, a 1.22 WHIP and an ERA+ of 129. On top of that, his loss of velocity apparently isn't an arm-related injury. AAA numbers from a major leaguer, especially when you're hurt and/or rehabbing are indicative of nothing. It seems a little rash to completely write a guy off with only one bad year of performance when Harden inhabits the same roster.

I'd say that $1.5M/1 yr. is a very small wager on still-very-young pitcher (turns only 27 next Tuesday), with a much higher chance for hitting a jackpot, than say, the Zumaya deal was in 2012.

jokin
01-25-2013, 09:28 PM
I've probably been one of the fools in the world that's followed Jair Jurrjens with some regularity. For that reason, I'm probably higher on him than a lot of people. I wanted the Twins to trade for him previously. Would have liked this flier much more than a couple of the fliers we took thus far.

Once in a while, that Twins will have to bring in a guy with some attitude. I don't want nice guys lining our dugout all the time. Not to say Jair is a bad guy, or an attitudey guy, but go after the Sidney Ponson's of the world. Oh wait.

Haddyz, since you've been following him, answer me this. If his arm isn't the injury concern, what's holding him back from making a near-to-complete recovery at only the age of 27 and being more than worth the minimal risk that the Orioles have staked him to?

jorgenswest
07-13-2013, 07:55 PM
Jurrjens was designated for assignment by Baltimore.

Would he be worth giving some starts? There is currently an open spot on the 40. Diamond can be optioned. I think the Twins would have control next year if he has a good second half. He is 27.

old nurse
07-13-2013, 10:01 PM
Jurrjens was designated for assignment by Baltimore.

Would he be worth giving some starts? There is currently an open spot on the 40. Diamond can be optioned. I think the Twins would have control next year if he has a good second half. He is 27.

His velocity is down to the high 80's from what used to be the mid 90 range. Perhaps it would be nice if you explained, other than for a prayer that the pitcher from a few years ago returns, why the Twins should sign him/ Other than the reason "He is no worse than pitcher A, B, C, or D"

crarko
07-13-2013, 10:41 PM
I'd rather see Albers.

jorgenswest
07-13-2013, 10:42 PM
His velocity is down to the high 80's from what used to be the mid 90 range. Perhaps it would be nice if you explained, other than for a prayer that the pitcher from a few years ago returns, why the Twins should sign him/ Other than the reason "He is no worse than pitcher A, B, C, or D"

I assume I am the you...

I asked a question and added info, you gave your answer. I don't know if the Twins should sign him. I don't know if his velocity will come ack following surgery. He was once effective. Is it worth the risk a little money in salary and a spot on the 40?

The Twins could claim him and DFA him hoping to get him in their minor league system. It happened to Burnett a few times. Is it worth the trouble? Simply asking.

jokin
07-13-2013, 11:25 PM
His velocity is down to the high 80's from what used to be the mid 90 range. Perhaps it would be nice if you explained, other than for a prayer that the pitcher from a few years ago returns, why the Twins should sign him/ Other than the reason "He is no worse than pitcher A, B, C, or D"

Rich Harden and Rafael Perez are in their 30s, Jurrjens is only 27. Seems like much-less-likely-answered prayers have already been put to use by the Twins FO this season. Jurrjens has a better chance at recovering full effectiveness than Jarred Burton had when the Twins signed him.

jokin
07-13-2013, 11:26 PM
I assume I am the you...

I asked a question and added info, you gave your answer. I don't know if the Twins should sign him. I don't know if his velocity will come ack following surgery. He was once effective. Is it worth the risk a little money in salary and a spot on the 40?

The Twins could claim him and DFA him hoping to get him in their minor league system. It happened to Burnett a few times. Is it worth the trouble? Simply asking.

How can anyone argue against the Twins exploring all potential pitching options that essentially involve zero risk on their part?

beckmt
07-14-2013, 01:25 AM
No, have many starters in AAA about as good as him. I too would rather see Albers.

jokin
07-14-2013, 03:43 AM
No, have many starters in AAA about as good as him. I too would rather see Albers.

Why not both? Although I would argue that Jurrjens could potentially be better than anyone in AAA as an SP in due time, it's still worth considering him as a very cheap option for the bullpen. He doesn't walk many and he is one of the very best in baseball at keeping the ball in the ballpark. Also, the velocity on his 2-seam FB has returned to pre-injury levels, while he has been holding off on throwing his slider in 2013 much and hasn't thrown the cutter at all, according to Fangraphs. Perhaps he might get those pitches back to pre-injury levels in time. Seems like a no-brainer to at least kick the tires when it's a no-cost for acquisition.