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Nick Nelson
01-24-2013, 10:49 PM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1332-Calling-on-Capps

Jeremy Nygaard
01-24-2013, 11:02 PM
You had me at "lurking".

Ultima Ratio
01-24-2013, 11:42 PM
Is there a straighter, flatter fastball in the majors? Whatever, one million/one year. Do it... I guess... maybe.

glunn
01-25-2013, 12:17 AM
I would think that someone may pay him more than $1 million. I think he got $4.5 million last year and over $7 million in 2011. I have no idea what he will get, but if he can be had for $1 million, that seems reasonable to me.

jimbo92107
01-25-2013, 12:41 AM
If Capps ever learned to throw a straight change with that same fastball motion, batters would screw themselves into the ground trying to hit it.

But he didn't.

Highabove
01-25-2013, 12:55 AM
I will take Matt Capps over Alex Burnett, any time of the week.

Joe A. Preusser
01-25-2013, 04:55 AM
I am Mr. Second Chance, I will give almost any player the benefit of doubt and put a positive spin on their chances to regain form. But this...wow. I find myself extremely reluctant. 1.2 - 1.5 million tops. Anything more just seems like throwing money into the same old used car when you should be going out and getting someting newer and more reliable. Something that drives nicer, too.

benhertz
01-25-2013, 05:16 AM
If he is willing to sign for under $2.5 million, I think he'd be a good reliever.

I'll always root for him, as long as he's a Twin.

Jeremy Nygaard
01-25-2013, 06:14 AM
Non-guaranteed deal with fat clause?

Mark_RM
01-25-2013, 07:28 AM
Signing him to a 1-year deal is a reasonable thing to do...though I don't think I'll ever get over the Pavlovian nausea when I see him on the mound...

Brock Beauchamp
01-25-2013, 07:46 AM
I will take Matt Capps over Alex Burnett, any time of the week.

I typed out a sentence with multiple fat jokes but gave up and deleted it. Instead, I'll just agree with this post.

Knotholemike
01-25-2013, 08:05 AM
What are you guys smokin'? $1M - $2.5M for Capps, no way. He'll get a minor league deal with a spring training invite. What he made in the past does not matter. He has not shown the ability to put hitters away in more than a year. He is replacement level at best, and there are lots of guys like him who could be had on a minor league deal.

LimestoneBaggy
01-25-2013, 08:14 AM
Initially, I was going to agree that a 1/1M deal sounds reasonable. But Capps > Slama? I'm not so sure (even if the scouts are). I'd probably still give him 1M and then move Burnett's desk to the basement of Hammond Stadium and "forget" to pay him....I said, NO SALT.

nicksaviking
01-25-2013, 08:20 AM
At this point he'd probably be a bargain, but the Twins have so many young options for the bullpen I'd be reluctant. The Twins are already giving spots to Perkins, Burton, Duensing, Swarzak and Burnett.

Though in my book Burnett and Swarzak are expendable, the Twins surely will be giving them a spot if healthy. If Capps was in the mix, that would leave one spot for Fein, Pressly, Wood, Robertson, Harden and Roenicke taking dark horses completely out of the equation, guys like Theilbar, Guerra and Slama. This also greatly hinders the option of putting the sixth or seventh starter in the bullpen to start the season.

This team is rebuilding, they need to see what they have in some of these younger options.

Last year the Twins had three open spots, they gave them to Gray, Maloney and Burton. Had they only had one open spot, would they still have found gold in Burton?

PopRiveter
01-25-2013, 08:38 AM
Nick's argument is very reasonable. Sound. Logical.
...and...
Matt Capps really seems like a heckuva guy that I'd love to have a beer and plate of wings with.

However, I am a fan.
I don't enjoy watching Capps pitch. From the first time I saw him pitch, I have not enjoyed watching him pitch. After that, it got much worse. I can't imagine I'll begin finding enjoyment in watching him pitch just because he makes less money.

I'd like to see his next Twin's contract be as a minor league coach.

Top Gun
01-25-2013, 08:47 AM
Sounds like something Ryan would do.

Boom Boom
01-25-2013, 08:56 AM
Can we be sure that Gardy wouldn't hand Capps the closer role back?

mnfanforlife
01-25-2013, 08:59 AM
Is there a straighter, flatter fastball in the majors? Whatever, one million/one year. Do it... I guess... maybe.

NO way! A million for Capps?! How about a minor league contract?

LewFordLives
01-25-2013, 09:06 AM
I concur with the logic of "nicksaviking". I'll even go further and say that Fein is close to a lock and the Twins have to keep Pressley on the major league roster or work out a trade. While I wouldn't have any strong objections to Capps as a 7th-8th inning guy, he's just not a good fit given the Twins current situation.

Huey270
01-25-2013, 09:31 AM
We have the money and you can never have enough pitching so if it's reasonable I'd sign him.

mnfanforlife
01-25-2013, 10:28 AM
We have the money and you can never have enough pitching so if it's reasonable I'd sign him.

You can never have enough GOOD pitching. You CAN have enough bad pitching. 2012 and 2011 are good examples of that. Capps was a major part of both those bullpens.

Joe A. Preusser
01-25-2013, 11:05 AM
What are you guys smokin'? $1M - $2.5M for Capps, no way. He'll get a minor league deal with a spring training invite. What he made in the past does not matter. He has not shown the ability to put hitters away in more than a year. He is replacement level at best, and there are lots of guys like him who could be had on a minor league deal.

I agree with most of what you said, but he HAS proven to be fairly effective in the past. I wouldn't be upset if they gave him just over a mil to see if he can round back into form. A million bucks is a lot to you and me, but not so much in MLB terms.

mnfanforlife
01-25-2013, 11:08 AM
I guess Capps for one million is reasonable, IF he can maintain a certain weight (a la Delmon). But it has to be one year or no deal.

Brandon
01-25-2013, 11:08 AM
I.d do it. also wonder if Hawkins is available. I would rather have him.

I think the Twins bullpen guraenteed spots at this point is Perkins, Burton, and Deunsing at this point. Swarzak and Burnett and Fien are likely at this point but could be swapped out.

Knotholemike
01-25-2013, 11:33 AM
I guess Capps for one million is reasonable, IF he can maintain a certain weight (a la Delmon). But it has to be one year or no deal.

$1M is NOT reasonable. If anyone had offered him a $1M major league contract he would have signed it in a heartbeat. He has not been effective in more than 1 year and there are plenty of younger options with potential upside available for the major league minimum. There are plenty of Capps-like players in AAA that can be had for a minor league deal and an invite.

mike wants wins
01-25-2013, 11:39 AM
The bullpen on a team with this roster should be mostly young guys at this point. There is no good reason to have anyone from outside the organization added to the bullpen.

jmlease1
01-25-2013, 01:25 PM
I'm perfectly fine with a 1-year deal for Capps. I can even live with a deal that nets him over $1M. He's not a tremendous pitcher, but he is solid and if healthy you should know what you're gonna get. Frankly, his presence on the roster might get Gardy to use Perkins in more high-leverage situations.

At $4-7M, he's overpaid badly. But he's not a bad bullpen arm and at a good price he could be a nice asset to a team that will need a strong bullpen.

mnfanforlife
01-25-2013, 01:58 PM
$1M is NOT reasonable. If anyone had offered him a $1M major league contract he would have signed it in a heartbeat. He has not been effective in more than 1 year and there are plenty of younger options with potential upside available for the major league minimum. There are plenty of Capps-like players in AAA that can be had for a minor league deal and an invite.

Yep, I'm going back to my original stance. I agree with this totally. He is not worth signing at any price in my opinion. I'm sticking to this stance.

mnfanforlife
01-25-2013, 01:59 PM
The bullpen on a team with this roster should be mostly young guys at this point. There is no good reason to have anyone from outside the organization added to the bullpen.

If Capps is outside the organization, lets keep it that way. Nothing personal. Just business

raindog
01-25-2013, 04:10 PM
He is definitely worth 1 year, 1.5 mil or so.

Do I want to think about how the Twins gave up Ramos every time he pitches for us? No I do not.

TheLeviathan
01-25-2013, 04:18 PM
This blog has a mighty fine point to speculate on given our current state. However, I couldn't help but think this the whole time:

You know your offseason was a failure when.......

Huey270
01-25-2013, 04:20 PM
I'd take him for a million and hope he has a good year as he could be traded for a decent prospect in July.

Huey270
01-25-2013, 04:21 PM
You know your offseason was a failure when.....

I'm talking about signing Matt Capps

Joe A. Preusser
01-25-2013, 04:43 PM
$1M is NOT reasonable. If anyone had offered him a $1M major league contract he would have signed it in a heartbeat. He has not been effective in more than 1 year and there are plenty of younger options with potential upside available for the major league minimum. There are plenty of Capps-like players in AAA that can be had for a minor league deal and an invite.

Respectfully I have to disagree. The league minimum is a whopping $500,000, not exactly chump change. You can either pay an unproven arm that amount, or double it for a guy like Capps. Capps would bring experience, not something to be dismissed. Now, if you were making the point that we should be getting our young arms more major league innings at the expense of a more seasoned veteran presence, then I would probably agree with that. But all else being equal, paying $500,000 for a no name AAA pitcher or $1 mil for Capps is as easy a choice as it gets. Capps gives you cheap experience and potential upside. Granted you have to be sure completely sure Capps is over his injury problems.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not in love with this guy. But you could write down the name of any pitcher who has had Capps' past success and it would likely be the correct call to give him a 1 mil/1 contract. It just isn't that much money in MLB terms and the bargain potential is too great. If he washes out then send him packing, no big loss.

snepp
01-25-2013, 04:48 PM
I'd take a healthy Capps at $1 mil over Burnett any day. Burnett has an option available too, send him to AAA, bring him back if/when Capps craps or gets traded.

johnnydakota
01-25-2013, 04:57 PM
I thought this site had a anti Capps system?
oh me bad, why resign Capps? if we have a roster spot (we do , no need to give butrea a spot on the 40 man roster) then why not claim tony abreu?
If capps was a lefty by all means sign him , but i think we have plenty of canidants from the right side to fill out the pen.

jokin
01-25-2013, 06:21 PM
You had me at "lurking".

Pressly, Wood and Roenicke have to be depressed. Not only is the likes of Swarzack's below-replacement, -0.2 WAR blocking them, now they are being haunted by the prospect of a wounded, flatballing, overweight "lurker" taking their spot (Capps 2-year WAR is -0.4).

jokin
01-25-2013, 10:01 PM
You can view the page at Twins Daily - Calling on Capps? (http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1332-Calling-on-Capps)

And I foolishly got sucked into this thread thinking the Twins were calling on Carter Capps.

I find it hard to fathom that the Twins FO haven't deleted Matt Capps' number from their speed dial.

howeda7
01-25-2013, 11:48 PM
I'd be OK with Capps if Gardy weren't the manager. I'm afraid Perkins would have to look over his shoulder after 1-2 bad outings. The Punto of the bullpen.

Top Gun
01-26-2013, 01:26 AM
The Twins have discussed a plan to limit Kyle Gibson to between 130 and 140 innings during the 2013 season as he works his way back from Tommy John surgery.

The 25-year-old right-hander says that he'll do whatever the Twins ask of him, but that his goal is to get to the big leagues as soon as possible. Twins GM Terry Ryan indicated that they may utilize a plan similar to how the Braves used Kris Medlen last season, where he began the year in the bullpen, and then transitioned to the rotation after the all-star break.

Source: 1500ESPN.com (http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Kyle_Gibsons_goal_is_to_get_to_the_big_leagues_as_ fast_as_I_can012513)

cmathewson
01-26-2013, 12:09 PM
Please no. He is the Nick Punto of relievers. Occasionally brilliant. Frequently horrible. Mostly mediocre. And a favorite of one Ronald Clyde Gardenhire.

Rosterman
01-26-2013, 06:13 PM
I'd take him for a million and hope he has a good year as he could be traded for a decent prospect in July.

This worked really good in 2012.

snepp
01-26-2013, 06:29 PM
This worked really good in 2012.

You mean jumping the gun on signing a mediocre pitcher early in free agency only to have the contract given to them end up being a ridiculous overpay?

2012 Capps = 2013 Correia


*sadface*


(I know that's not what you're talking about, but I felt like making that comparison anyway)

Thrylos
01-26-2013, 09:03 PM
You mean jumping the gun on signing a mediocre pitcher early in free agency only to have the contract given to them end up being a ridiculous overpay?

2012 Capps = 2013 Correia


*sadface*


(I know that's not what you're talking about, but I felt like making that comparison anyway)

Like that, but I'd raise you:

2012 Capps = 2013 Correia = 2011 Pavano.

cmathewson
01-26-2013, 11:30 PM
1. If he hasn't been signed yet, he is highly unlikely to have any trade value at any time.

2. The Twins have no room on the 40-man roster. If they sign Joe Saunders (to whom they have offered a contract), they will have to remove someone from the 40 man and risk losing him. I'm OK with doing it for Saunders. But I have zero interest in losing a decent young player for an aging and injury prone mediocre reliever.

Ultima Ratio
01-26-2013, 11:37 PM
1. If he hasn't been signed yet, he is highly unlikely to have any trade value at any time.

2. The Twins have no room on the 40-man roster. If they sign Joe Saunders (to whom they have offered a contract), they will have to remove someone from the 40 man and risk losing him. I'm OK with doing it for Saunders. But I have zero interest in losing a decent young player for an aging and injury prone mediocre reliever.

In a perfect world it would be just that easy to jettison Correia.

snepp
01-26-2013, 11:58 PM
In a perfect world it would be just that easy to jettison Correia.

And Butera, but every team needs five catchers on their 40-man.

Ultima Ratio
01-27-2013, 12:01 AM
And Butera, but every team needs five catchers on their 40-man.

Yeah, but the ball comes out of Drewsy's hand really well when throwing down to second. So, you know.

kab21
01-27-2013, 11:35 AM
I think part of the Twins plan going forward is to start shedding most of the below average players that have been on the team the last few seasons. Capps at 1M is okay but they should be looking at players outside the org.

mikeee
01-27-2013, 08:11 PM
I am willing to boo him again if he is signed.

luke829
01-28-2013, 04:24 PM
I'd do it simply for the fact that we'll get to see the "Fat Capps" word filter in many future posts should it occur.

Maverick
01-31-2013, 05:25 PM
Well...looks like the Indians got him first. Maybe the Twins hitters will get their chance to tee-off on him after all.Indians Sign Matt Capps: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/indians-sign-matt-capps.html)

Kobs
01-31-2013, 11:01 PM
I find it odd that this guy didn't get a major league contract somewhere.

snepp
01-31-2013, 11:06 PM
I find it odd that this guy didn't get a major league contract somewhere.

His agent forgot to hand out the "proven closer" pamphlets?

Kobs
01-31-2013, 11:21 PM
His agent forgot to hand out the "proven closer" pamphlets?

A reliever who can keep his WHIP around 1.2 isn't a minor leaguer.

Knotholemike
02-01-2013, 07:23 AM
But you could write down the name of any pitcher who has had Capps' past success and it would likely be the correct call to give him a 1 mil/1 contract. It just isn't that much money in MLB terms and the bargain potential is too great. If he washes out then send him packing, no big loss.

It is this kind of thinking that gets GMs fired. Cleveland just signed Capps to a "minor league deal with a major league invite" as I predicted. Lose the boss' money on stupid deals (no matter how large or small) will get you fired. [see Smith, Bill].

sorney
02-01-2013, 07:38 AM
Well...looks like the Indians got him first. Maybe the Twins hitters will get their chance to tee-off on him after all.Indians Sign Matt Capps: MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/indians-sign-matt-capps.html)

Twins need hitter first. I can see it now...Floriman ripping a wicked 4 hopper to 2B...

Maverick
02-01-2013, 08:41 PM
Twins need hitter first. I can see it now...Floriman ripping a wicked 4 hopper to 2B...

......ending the inning with the bases loaded....:p

ashburyjohn
02-01-2013, 09:50 PM
It is this kind of thinking that gets GMs fired. Cleveland just signed Capps to a "minor league deal with a major league invite" as I predicted. Lose the boss' money on stupid deals (no matter how large or small) will get you fired. [see Smith, Bill].

How many one-milllion one-year deals would it take to get a GM fired? Twenty-five?

FrodaddyG
02-01-2013, 10:14 PM
How many one-milllion one-year deals would it take to get a GM fired? Twenty-five?
If Ryan could fill out the MLB roster with 25 in a single year, he may get nominated for executive of the year. (By the Pohlads' accountants, that is.)