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krada1212
12-22-2012, 10:00 AM
I was looking at the pitching acquisitions that the Cubs have made, and when you look at the potential WAR that the new guys will bring, and the negative WAR that they will be ditching with their old crummy guys, they might be in line for 80 wins. I explain it all in depth in a blog post here: Cubs Could Contend in 2013 Based on WAR and Optimism Kyle's Sports Thoughts (http://kylerada.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/cubs-could-contend-in-2013-based-on-war-and-optimism/)

What do you guys think? One big "if" is how our boy Scott Baker bounces back from TJ. And even if the Cubs arent competitive, they at least are improving more on last year's terribleness than the Twins.

Minus the Edwin Jackson signing, I wish the Twins would have signed the same pitchers the Cubs did. Baker, Feldman and Villanueva are better than Pelfrey, Harden and Corriea for not a whole lot more money.

TwinsFanInPhilly
12-22-2012, 10:25 AM
Cubs win the WAR trophy, handed out every December. They win nothing else.

johnnydakota
12-22-2012, 10:29 AM
I guess that is the difference in the 2 general managers....

jorgenswest
12-22-2012, 10:37 AM
I prefer the Twins future.

Top Gun
12-22-2012, 10:45 AM
You don't know what the future is. The Twins would win the world series with those 4 pitchers.

diehardtwinsfan
12-22-2012, 11:02 AM
Fringe yes, but they have issues with their starting 9. I think Theo is doing more rebuilding in that he's spending money with the hopes of flipping some of these gus for more prospects.

drjim
12-22-2012, 11:02 AM
Minus the Edwin Jackson signing, I wish the Twins would have signed the same pitchers the Cubs did. Baker, Feldman and Villanueva are better than Pelfrey, Harden and Corriea for not a whole lot more money.

It's a little unfair to compare 3 major league signings to 2 major league signings and a minor league deal. I would hope that Feldman and/or Villanueva are better than Harden. Overall, I would still hold off comparisons between the clubs until the offseason is over - I still think the Twins add another pitcher and probably a CF, and wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs add a position player or two.

Rosterman
12-22-2012, 11:16 AM
Both teams are kinda in the same boat. No one standouts in the rotation. Still some offense issues.

The Twins could still use a more top-of-the-line starter...someone who WILL pitch 200 innings...Carl Pavano two years ago. They could use someone with some punch in the outfield. Also, the infield has questions. Do they trade Morneau and start with Parmelee at first.

Right now, the Twins big questions is defense with a lot of contact pitchers. And lineup construction...who leads off and gets on base. Who protects Maruer/Morneau/Willingham.

krada1212
12-22-2012, 01:58 PM
Both teams are kinda in the same boat. No one standouts in the rotation.

I think that Garza and Jeff Samardzija are both standouts. and Jackson and a healthy Baker are both probably better than the Twins currently have.

kab21
12-23-2012, 01:42 AM
The Cubs have put together an alright rotation since Garza and Samardzija are better than anything the Twins have. I also like the Baker and Villanueva moves a lot more than Corriea and Pelfrey. All the Twins have is Diamond and Gibson imo. But the Cubs lineup is awful. their offense consists of Soriano, Castro, Rizzo, Dejesus and an ugly mess. Perhaps they have a shot at 80 wins but they still have a long way to go.

Riverbrian
12-23-2012, 02:03 AM
Sure it's possible but they got some tough clubs to overcome in the division... Reds are a nice team... Brewers are rarely pushovers... The Cards are in it every year... The Pirates have some nice young talent. Not to mention... For the Wild card spot they will have to compete with...The giants... Dodgers... D-backs... All trams that can get fat on the Padres and Rockies... also the Braves... Philles... And Nats who can get fat on the Marlins and Mets.

Thats a lot to overcome with Stewart playing 3B and Dejesus and Schierholtz starting in the OF.

old nurse
12-23-2012, 08:09 AM
If everyone pitches to their maximum potential they might do well. Feldman's last good season was 4 years ago, Bakers last good one was 3 years ago. Garza only puts up great numbers the first year he is with a new team. Jackson wins about one more game than he loses every year. By salary, that is your ace.

I think it is sort of like Twins 2011 and 2012. If everyone reproduces their 2010 season the team will be fine

mike wants wins
12-25-2012, 11:39 AM
I like what the Cubs did to help their major league pitching. Not sure about their hitting though.

PseudoSABR
12-25-2012, 12:20 PM
I don't like their chances.

beckmt
12-25-2012, 09:31 PM
Also cubs rotation will require good health from all their pitchers. Almost a given that will not happen.

jtrinaldi
12-26-2012, 06:20 PM
Cubs system is pretty good, but not as good as the Twins
If you match it up:
Baez vs Sano
Almora vs Buxton
Sloer vs Arcia
These 3 are about even, after this it is a big drop off

Fire Dan Gladden
12-27-2012, 08:32 AM
29 teams are at least fringe WC contenders... even the Twins at this point

biggentleben
12-28-2012, 10:02 PM
I think that Garza and Jeff Samardzija are both standouts. and Jackson and a healthy Baker are both probably better than the Twins currently have.

Who knows what you'll get from Garza as he returns from injury this year, and Samardzija has shown exactly nothing thus far to be called "standout". He is a mid-3s xFIP guy in a league and age when low-3s is expected from top guys and under 3 should be expected of a "standout". He has some solid peripherals, and if he could stretch out some to pitch more and more consistently this season, he could take steps, but he's not there yet.