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ericchri
12-21-2012, 08:38 AM
This popped into my head, and I can't get it out now, unfortunately.

Taking the team exactly as it is right now, without any consideration for the future, who would you rather have as the starting quarterback for the Vikings as they hopefully make it into and then play in the playoffs? Christian Ponder or Tim Tebow?

As much as I hate the notion of Tebow being my quarterback, I think he could actually work with this Vikings team when the primary job is just handing the ball to AP. Who cares if he can't throw, our receivers can't get open anyway.

Sorry for this, but I figured I should share my disgust with others. I'm not actually advocating that the Vikings go get him this offseason, that would be truly horrific, but if I could replace Ponder with Tebow right now, then switch them back after the season, I think I'd do it.

Badsmerf
12-23-2012, 11:16 AM
Why would you switch them back? Tebow would be a much better option. Ponder is terrible, Tebow isn't a great passer, but he has an arm and is a great runner. Denver and NY were obviously not great places for him. I think he'll get at least one more shot as a QB.

Joe
12-23-2012, 12:38 PM
Why would you switch them back? Tebow would be a much better option. Ponder is terrible, Tebow isn't a great passer, but he has an arm and is a great runner. Denver and NY were obviously not great places for him. I think he'll get at least one more shot as a QB.

hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tebow can't beat out Mark Sanchez, what the **** would make you think he is better than Christian Ponder? Holy ****, Tim Tebow is not a QB in the NFL. Get the **** over it.

Seriously, why not just direct snap to Adrian Peterson at that point?

luke829
12-23-2012, 11:22 PM
Why would you switch them back? Tebow would be a much better option. Ponder is terrible, Tebow isn't a great passer, but he has an arm and is a great runner. Denver and NY were obviously not great places for him. I think he'll get at least one more shot as a QB.

Based on what Ponder did today, I would say that his legs are just as good as anyone in the league. He just needs to find the consistency that has been sorely lacking from his game.

Badsmerf
12-26-2012, 10:28 AM
hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tebow can't beat out Mark Sanchez, what the **** would make you think he is better than Christian Ponder? Holy ****, Tim Tebow is not a QB in the NFL. Get the **** over it.

Seriously, why not just direct snap to Adrian Peterson at that point?

Swearing a bunch in a post doesn't make your argument better, just an FYI. Tebow shouldn't be judged based on this year when he was clearly brought into a bad situation. Ponder might be a better QB, but it wouldn't be too hard for Tebow to be better than him. Unfortunately, a so-so performance from Ponder in this game looks so good because of how poor he's actually been. I hope he can turn it around, but I don't think he has the arm strength.

johnnydakota
12-26-2012, 10:31 AM
hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tebow can't beat out Mark Sanchez, what the **** would make you think he is better than Christian Ponder? Holy ****, Tim Tebow is not a QB in the NFL. Get the **** over it.

Seriously, why not just direct snap to Adrian Peterson at that point?
would love to see peterson throw it on a sweep or pitchback

gil4
01-02-2013, 08:14 AM
Both QBs have the same stengths (running ability) and weaknesses (throwing accuracy.) In the strength area Tebow is stronger. in the weakness area Tebow is weaker. Tebow seems like the better field leader, but he's also a more polarizing figure off the field. (For the record, I almost always agree with Tebow and think most of the controversy is caused by the preachers of "tolerance" demonstrating their intolerance, but any team that signs him needs to be prepared to deal with it.)

Al that said, I think the biggest obstacle to success for both is the inability to throw accurately, and I think Ponder had a better chance of overcoming that obstacle than Tebow. I'm not sure that either is a great answer.

Brock Beauchamp
01-02-2013, 08:21 AM
Chris Kluwe and Tim Tebow on the same team would be journalism gold.

Joe
01-02-2013, 07:51 PM
Swearing a bunch in a post doesn't make your argument better, just an FYI. Tebow shouldn't be judged based on this year when he was clearly brought into a bad situation. Ponder might be a better QB, but it wouldn't be too hard for Tebow to be better than him. Unfortunately, a so-so performance from Ponder in this game looks so good because of how poor he's actually been. I hope he can turn it around, but I don't think he has the arm strength.

You mean, Christian Ponder has been Tebow-like?

gil4
01-04-2013, 02:18 PM
Chris Kluwe and Tim Tebow on the same team would be journalism gold.

Cut Kluwe and maybe the Jags will pick him up, too.

Oh, wait, they just spent a 3rd-round pick on a punter, didn't they?

luke829
01-05-2013, 05:48 PM
Taking the subject a little off topic, with Ponder out for tonight's game, now is the chance for all of the Webb lovers (if there are any) to jump on the band-wagon.

howeda7
01-05-2013, 10:22 PM
Webb's a nice 3rd QB to use as a flex guy. Tonight showed he's not even a valid back-up, much less a starting option. They need to go get Fitzpatrick, Flynn or someone similar who can compete with Ponder but will be OK being a back-up.

SpiritofVodkaDave
01-05-2013, 11:30 PM
I like Webb, but he is nothing more then a wildcat option at this point, and if he isn't good enough to at least be a 4/5wr or a special teams player there really is no reason to dress him week in and week out, bring in Flynn or Smith or draft a kid like Landry Jones to at least give the Vikes 2qbs who can at least not embarrass themselves on national TV. Webb was downright terrible.

Willihammer
01-06-2013, 09:35 AM
re: webb

Souhan: Instead of force-feeding Webb's flavor to Packers, Musgrave chose vanilla | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/185774132.html)

SpiritofVodkaDave
01-06-2013, 10:40 AM
Meh, I have a hard time believing that an "option only" plan would have worked against the packers. At some point you need to at least prove that you can pass the ball, (like ponder last week) in order to get 9 and 10 players from crowding the box.

Joe
01-06-2013, 12:10 PM
Webb > Tebow

benchwarmerjim
01-06-2013, 01:09 PM
As much as I hate the notion of Tebow being my quarterback, I think he could actually work with this Vikings team when the primary job is just handing the ball to AP. Who cares if he can't throw, our receivers can't get open anyway.


last nights Joe Webb's performance goes to show that you need a QB who has the threat of completing a pass, even if its a dumpoff to the RB.

Reginald Maudling's Shin
01-06-2013, 02:51 PM
Now I know you are just looking to be inflammatory.

Webb:3012

Badsmerf
01-06-2013, 04:49 PM
I really don't think its fair to asses Webb on last night's game. He was thrown into a playoff game against a pretty good team with a weeks worth of reps (if that) and without playing the entire season. It was an almost impossible position. In the second half he started to look more comfortable, but it was too late at that point. I don't think an option-only gameplan was the way to go, but I agree Musgrave could have called some better plays. Webb has an awesome arm and I wish we got to see extended play from him to see if there is anything there. I doubt that chance will ever come though. I really liked some of the balls he threw and think there is talent there. Despite that, he would have a lot polish to become a quality NFL QB.

TheLeviathan
01-06-2013, 05:16 PM
The arm strength is there - the instincts and accuracy are not. He's not an NFL-caliber QB and a bad choice as a backup on a team with a QB who has a history of injury problems.

That said, I think Musgrave was trying too hard to loosen up the Packers defense for Adrian. Way too many 2 and short play action calls, especially in the second quarter. People are ragging on the defense but they were on the field for 11 and a half minutes in the second quarter plus almost all of the last 6 minutes of the first quarters. That's basically 17 minutes out of 21 that the defense was out there thanks to some of the play-calling. I chalk that up as much as anything for the loss last night. The d was playing ok up until that brutal stretch.

benchwarmerjim
01-06-2013, 06:49 PM
I like Joe Webb
But the Packer game shows that nothing changed from the last time he played (big arm, fast, very inaccurate, even more skittish than Ponder in the pocket). If he wasnt prepared to start last nights game, then he shouldnt be in the NFL because that is the job of a backup QB

diehardtwinsfan
01-06-2013, 07:44 PM
I hear Alex Smith will be available.

jtrinaldi
01-07-2013, 01:08 PM
I hear Alex Smith will be available.
He will be starting somewhere if he is released.
Alex Smith is not on Jason Campbell/Kyle Orton level, he is far superior than both of those guys. He will probably get a 2 year deal with a team like the Jets/Chiefs/Cardinals who does not want to waste a valuable first round pick on a QB, in a defensive heavy draft this year.

luke829
01-07-2013, 04:42 PM
I don't know if it was the weather, lack of reps, or both, but watching Webb throw in Saturday's game was akin to watching an olypian tack and fielder hurl a shot put.

Kobs
01-07-2013, 11:56 PM
He will be starting somewhere if he is released.
Alex Smith is not on Jason Campbell/Kyle Orton level, he is far superior than both of those guys. He will probably get a 2 year deal with a team like the Jets/Chiefs/Cardinals who does not want to waste a valuable first round pick on a QB, in a defensive heavy draft this year.

He's not actually any better than either, he just hasn't had his second opportunity to prove it like those two did.