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SpiritofVodkaDave
12-16-2012, 11:12 PM
Discuss

TheLeviathan
12-16-2012, 11:39 PM
Would have to defer to someone who has seen all the greats, but he's better than Barry and Smith who are the two I have seen in my life time. His combination of explosion and power is ridiculous.

Please
12-17-2012, 08:08 AM
He's the best pure runner I've ever seen.

But I can't call him the best cause he's not a threat to get involved in the passing game.

diehardtwinsfan
12-17-2012, 10:22 AM
Yes, he could be, though this discussion is a bit premature... wait until his career is over.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-17-2012, 10:37 AM
Yes, he could be, though this discussion is a bit premature... wait until his career is over.

Is it? He is about to break the rushing record....

luke829
12-17-2012, 11:45 AM
With the way that he's been saddled with carrying the team on his back for the entire season, I would have to vote yes (even though one season does not a hall of fame career make).

diehardtwinsfan
12-18-2012, 03:44 PM
Is it? He is about to break the rushing record....

Yeah, I kind of wonder what it woudl be like if he got injured in week 14 or 15 as opposed to week 16. Let's not write teh rushing record in the bag just yet. He needs 150/game to do it. The way he's played the last 8 weeks, I'd say it's very likely, but not impossible.

Riverbrian
12-20-2012, 06:43 PM
Yes... Because the players are all better today... Jim Brown didn't have to play against corners that all ran 4.4 or less... Or linebackers under 4.6 and all of them over 250 pounds. Jim Brown would find things a lot tougher today if he was transported into the future as a 25 year old.

No question that AP is the best of all time.

Now comparatively by era... That's an interesting debate... Walter Payton was as good as I've seen... I really hated watching him in a Bears uniform and yet kinda liked watching him at the same time because he was so good. I will say this... AP is having the best season ever.

Brock Beauchamp
12-21-2012, 07:44 AM
Would have to defer to someone who has seen all the greats, but he's better than Barry and Smith who are the two I have seen in my life time. His combination of explosion and power is ridiculous.

Barry and Payton are the gold standard in my lifetime. I don't know if AP is better but he's definitely right there with Sanders, who I personally believe was better than Payton. The sad thing about Sanders was that he played for awful teams his entire career and then retired far too early.

Thor
12-21-2012, 09:37 AM
He may be when his career is over but not yet. Walter Payton was a great runner but also a great pass catcher and picked up blitzers better than any other "star" runner that has ever played. Emmit Smith was close. Neither of them had nearly the # of negative runs that AP or Barry had. I would actually put Marcus Allen in third. After that comes Barry and then discuss betweeen AP and the rest. In my opinion AP has work to do to ever get in the top 2 as "all time running back"

If the discussion is strictly about a runner then he is probally in the discussion with Barry, Walter, Eric Dickerson and OJ.

Joe
12-22-2012, 09:29 PM
Is it? He is about to break the rushing record....


Is Calvin Johnson the best wide receiver of all time? I think that puts this thread into context.

****, Peterson can't hold a torch to a lot of RB's currently because of his early fumblitis and his inability to block/ineffectiveness in the passing game.

It's debatable if he will even be the best running back in tomorrow's game, let alone of all time.

The thread should be, is Adrian Peterson the best pure runner in NFL history?

TheLeviathan
12-22-2012, 09:40 PM
Is Calvin Johnson the best wide receiver of all time? I think that puts this thread into context.

****, Peterson can't hold a torch to a lot of RB's currently because of his early fumblitis and his inability to block/ineffectiveness in the passing game.

It's debatable if he will even be the best running back in tomorrow's game, let alone of all time.

The thread should be, is Adrian Peterson the best pure runner in NFL history?

Drunk or temporary insanity?

TheLeviathan
12-22-2012, 09:46 PM
Barry and Payton are the gold standard in my lifetime. I don't know if AP is better but he's definitely right there with Sanders, who I personally believe was better than Payton. The sad thing about Sanders was that he played for awful teams his entire career and then retired far too early.

Yeah, I don't like using career numbers to evaluate. In part because I never thought Emmitt Smith was all that impressive of a back. He was a good back, but he ran behind the most ridiculous line I've ever seen. What I evaluate Sanders on is his ability to dominate a game even when everyone knew he was the most dangerous man on the field. I never remember Barry being as good as AP has been this season and he certainly never had the power AP has.

Joe
12-22-2012, 10:18 PM
Drunk or temporary insanity?

.........

TheLeviathan
12-22-2012, 10:26 PM
Seriously Joe, he's outrushing anyone else by 30% this year. "Can't hold a torch to current RBs"? That's just dumb.

Joe
12-22-2012, 11:32 PM
****, Peterson can't hold a torch to a lot of RB's currently because of his early fumblitis and his inability to block/ineffectiveness in the passing game.

He can't block worth a ****, he used to fumble a ton, and he is almost non existent in the passing game. This is what I meant by not holding a torch to other halfbacks in the league. He is undoubtedly the best runner in the league.

I'm youngish, but in my years, I'd take Ladainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, and Marshall Faulk over Peterson. And none of those over Sanders.

TheLeviathan
12-22-2012, 11:43 PM
He can't block worth a ****, he used to fumble a ton, and he is almost non existent in the passing game. This is what I meant by not holding a torch to other halfbacks in the league. He is undoubtedly the best runner in the league.

I'm youngish, but in my years, I'd take Ladainian Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, and Marshall Faulk over Peterson. And none of those over Sanders.

He used to fumble? And Arian Foster used to be a backup. You don't think you're being a bit silly? He's not perfect, but he is right there with the best "running backs" I've ever seen.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-23-2012, 10:01 AM
Joe, First off, Peterson has basically gotten rid of his early fumble problems (6 total fumbles past 3 seasons), and has improved quite a bit in the passing game as well. For whatever reason they decide not to include him in more screens etc which makes no sense to me.

Also as a pass blocker he has improved quite a bit as well, he isn't horrible like you say. And you referring to his fumble problems and passing game problems leads me to believe you haven't watched a Vikings game in any of the past 3 years.

As far as he not even being better then Foster....well that is just on a whole nother level of absurdness we haven't seen since the Itstimetotakeit melt down.

Peterson 6.3 yards per carry.
Foster 4.0

NTM Foster actually has a better o line and a team with a pretty deadly passing game, Peterson is doing this all against NINE! men in the box.

Joe
12-23-2012, 11:26 AM
Also as a pass blocker he has improved quite a bit as well, he isn't horrible like you say. And you referring to his fumble problems and passing game problems leads me to believe you haven't watched a Vikings game in any of the past 3 years.

As far as he not even being better then Foster....well that is just on a whole nother level of absurdness we haven't seen since the Itstimetotakeit melt down.



Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.......

Peterson is a bad pass blocker. He is a terrible receiver as well. Correct, he has fixed his fumbling problems.

I'm just saying, you trying to say he is already, the best running back in NFL history, is ridiculous - to which I brought up the point of would you call Calvin Johnson the best receiver in NFL history already???

Peterson is ridiculously good, but his lack of talent in the aforementioned areas, I personally can't say he will be as good as LT or Faulk - the two gold standards in modern day running backs. Ray Rice I think is the most complete package in the NFL right now, and really look forward to seeing what C.J. Spiller and Trent Richardson can do in the upcoming years. Spiller runs like Peterson. Just a beast.

snepp
12-23-2012, 02:19 PM
He "used to fumble a lot", awesome ****ing argument.


JHFC, really?


You should go take a peak at how his fumbles compare to others in history. *hint, Payton fumbled a ****ing **** ton*

TheLeviathan
12-23-2012, 04:56 PM
I genuinely think your comments on this subject Joe are some of the most idiotic things I've read on a forum in a long time. You're really reaching. You are putting an enormous amount of your evaluation on passing related items and when you couple that with throwing fumbles in there as a criticism it appears you just are bent on being negative about him. Hard to take you seriously.

Joe
12-23-2012, 06:59 PM
I genuinely think your comments on this subject Joe are some of the most idiotic things I've read on a forum in a long time. You're really reaching. You are putting an enormous amount of your evaluation on passing related items and when you couple that with throwing fumbles in there as a criticism it appears you just are bent on being negative about him. Hard to take you seriously.

I genuinely think you're a staunchy d-bag...... So yeah, I'm okay with it.

I'm sorry I don't think Adrian Peterson at age 27 is the best running back in NFL history. He is an absolutely amazing runner. What he is doing this year is absolutely ridiculous, especially considering his knee injury the previous year. But considering what backs like Ladanian Tomlinson and Marshall Faulk have done recently in both the running and passing games, I don't think he is quite as good as them. Adrian rarely sees the field on 3rd and longs because of his inefficiencies as a pass catcher and pass blocker - if you watched the game today, you should have seen both of these.

TheLeviathan
12-23-2012, 08:19 PM
But considering what backs like Ladanian Tomlinson and Marshall Faulk have done recently in both the running and passing games, I don't think he is quite as good as them. Adrian rarely sees the field on 3rd and longs because of his inefficiencies as a pass catcher and pass blocker - if you watched the game today, you should have seen both of these.

So far your criteria to criticize Adrian Peterson would also have eliminated Jim Brown (Peterson has more receptions so far in his career comparatively), Barry Sanders (Physically incapable of throwing a block), and Walter Payton (fumbles) from the conversation. Personally, I'd re-evaluate my criteria in that light.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-23-2012, 08:59 PM
Tomilson wasn't very good at all btw. He had maybe 4 good years.....But don't let get in the way of your retarded drunken rant(s)

Joe
12-23-2012, 09:28 PM
So far your criteria to criticize Adrian Peterson would also have eliminated Jim Brown (Peterson has more receptions so far in his career comparatively), Barry Sanders (Physically incapable of throwing a block), and Walter Payton (fumbles) from the conversation. Personally, I'd re-evaluate my criteria in that light.

Personally I'd look at it this way:

Jim Brown played 9 seasons. The Cleveland Browns completed 1531 passes. Jim Brown caught 262 of those. That's roughly 20%. In the 50's/60's............ Goto pro football reference and check out what Jim Brown did in comparison to other running backs of his era. It's a bad comparison to even try to make from the beginning.

I know Peyton fumbled a lot in his career. Did I even bring him up? I brought up LT, Faulk, Sanders, and Allen. Walter and Bo were awesome in Tecmo Bowl though.

Sanders is a decent argument as far as the complete incapability of throwing a block, but Barry was more of a duel threat than AP ever has been. Barry being much more elusive, and Peterson being much more powerful, AP is going down a similar career path statistically.

Joe
12-23-2012, 09:32 PM
Tomilson wasn't very good at all btw. He had maybe 4 good years.....But don't let get in the way of your retarded drunken rant(s)

Why would you say this?

Joe
12-23-2012, 09:45 PM
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twins4121
12-24-2012, 05:45 AM
I love you Joe, nothin' like a good old forum twat-waffle for everybody to gang bang every now and then... you my friend... are a moron

TheLeviathan
12-24-2012, 08:29 AM
I love you Joe, nothin' like a good old forum twat-waffle for everybody to gang bang every now and then... you my friend... are a moron

There is no way this stays on the forum....but holy crap! That gave me a good chuckle!

Gotta love an argument that says Walter Payton doesn't belong in the greatest RBs of all time. Credibility baby. This "best running back ever has to catch passes" bit is only missing a Larry Centers reference to put it into truly elite levels of idiocy. Way to overemphasize one element of the game.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-24-2012, 09:47 AM
lololol :roll::go::jump:

Thor
12-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Trouble is there are 2 arguments that aren't related.
There is the position of RB as a whole(which is what the title of this thread(
There is the art of running the ball.
I am old enough to have watched OJ Simpson play.

With that if we are talking about the title of this thread, what RB would you want to be on the field if your team had a 4th and 1 from the fifty yard line with 45 seconds left in the Super Bowl and 2 timeouts and was trailing.
Should be a running play, but if you are going to pass you want a guy who can pick up a blitzer, or maybe catch a swing pass. Remember, this is one play for the Super Bowl.

My list
Walter Payton Not only the best running back, the best football player I have seen
Marcus Allen One yard was a given and he even moved to fullback for a few years
Emmit Smith Even though he had a great O line he was never tackled for a loss
After that it is a tossup between a bunch of guys but Adrian is in the conversation

If you are talking about the art of running the ball I wouldn't put either Marcus Allen or Emmit in there but that is where Barry Sanders and OJ and Eric Dickerson come into play. Adrian would have to be strongly considered to be in the top few.

Willihammer
12-24-2012, 04:20 PM
I think you are either onto something or yo u're on something, Thor. There isn't a lot of space to argue against Emmitt Smith in terms of greatness. He holds too many records and most of them handily. Who you like as a runner, is personal opinion. I like Barry Sanders.

Thor
12-24-2012, 07:21 PM
I loved to watch Barry and OJ run but I would never hand off to them on 4th and 1 with the Super Bowl on the line. 4th and 35 maybe.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-24-2012, 08:06 PM
I think you also have to discount the era's of which some of these players played. Brown/OJ and even to a lesser extent Smith all played in an era when the league was quite a bit less "pass happy" and the speed/strength was no where where it is now. There is a reason why RB's career expectancy's are constantly going down.

I'm not discounting what guys like OJ and Brown did, but if Peterson keeps this up for another 4-5 years (no reason why he can't) he has to be in the conversation of best ever.

Thor
12-24-2012, 10:10 PM
OJ got his 2000 yards in a 14 game season. Jim Brown is still the only runner to average over 100 yards per game for a career.

IF Peterson is blessed with another 5 years he will be in the conversation as the best ever.

TheLeviathan
12-24-2012, 10:13 PM
IF Peterson is blessed with another 5 years he will be in the conversation as the best ever.

Career stats can be misleading. I prefer to talk about a back's ability to dominate a game and then let the career stats fall where they may. LT could never dominate a defense like Peterson, Sanders is the only back I've ever seen capable of this with the ball in his hands that compares.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-24-2012, 10:29 PM
OJ got his 2000 yards in a 14 game season. Jim Brown is still the only runner to average over 100 yards per game for a career.

IF Peterson is blessed with another 5 years he will be in the conversation as the best ever.

Peterson has also the same exact YPA as OJ had.

Jim Brown is tough to compare to, since he played his last game almost 50 years ago, no? The game was a TON different back then and Brown had a relatively short career. But he is certainly in the top few of all time. Right now I think my personal rankings go (assuming Peterson continues at this pace for 3 more years then has another 3 or so years of very good play): Sanders, OJ, Peterson, Brown, and Smith (its absurd how much talent he was surrounded by)

If Peterson continues to improve, no reason he can't be the GOAT

Thor
12-24-2012, 11:20 PM
I think you guys are still talking about the art of running the football, in which cas I would rank Sanders at the top but there is no way I would hand him the ball on 4th and 1 from the 50 with the Super Bowl on the line.

ps you can look it up, he has the most carries for loss in the history of the NFL along with his nearly 5 yd average.

TheLeviathan
12-25-2012, 06:47 AM
I think you guys are still talking about the art of running the football, in which cas I would rank Sanders at the top but there is no way I would hand him the ball on 4th and 1 from the 50 with the Super Bowl on the line.

ps you can look it up, he has the most carries for loss in the history of the NFL along with his nearly 5 yd average.

That's true but in that situation I may take a guy like Bettis or Mike Alstott.

Brock Beauchamp
12-25-2012, 07:49 AM
ps you can look it up, he has the most carries for loss in the history of the NFL along with his nearly 5 yd average.

That tends to happen when you play your entire career behind a Detroit Lions offensive line.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-25-2012, 10:02 AM
That's true but in that situation I may take a guy like Bettis or Mike Alstott.

Tim Tebow.

snepp
12-25-2012, 10:06 AM
Tim Tebow.

That's Tim Tivow.

asmus_ndsu
12-27-2012, 06:31 PM
Ill put in my 2 cents without reading the responses thus far..

best running back of all time, not yet, time will tell. If he stays healthy i think yes but hes had too short of a career thus far to say.

if the question was is he potentially the best.. I think everyone would agree yes.

now if you asked me if hes having the best running back season of all time? I would say absolutely (even if he doesnt break the record). I would even go as far to say hes having the best season of any nfl player of all time

Reginald Maudling's Shin
12-29-2012, 02:27 PM
That's Tim Tivow.
2013 MN Viking starting QB Tim Tevow.

benchwarmerjim
12-31-2012, 09:10 AM
it seems hard to compare players in the NFL because style of play, and the players themselves (bigger, faster, more film study, etc), change so much. Todays game is so much different than when Jim Brown player. Hell, its different from when Barry Sanders retired 15 years ago..

To me, the conversation should be more like 'Will Adrian Peterson be an Inner Circle HOF player?'

Fatt Crapps
12-31-2012, 12:15 PM
What a bum. Couldn't even get a measly record.

O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D!