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one_eyed_jack
12-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Anyone else been following this?
ESPN's Hall of 100 -- Ranking the all-time greatest MLB players - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mlb/feature/video/_/id/8652210/espn-hall-100-ranking-all-time-greatest-mlb-players)

I'm still working my way through it. I'm disagreeing less than I thought I might be.

So far the only egregious error is Reggie Jackson at #55. May be the most overrated player in baseball history, criminally silly to have him that high.

Seth Stohs
12-13-2012, 07:43 PM
Killebrew at 64, Blyleven at like 71, Molitor at 77. But no Puckett??

Fire Dan Gladden
12-13-2012, 07:48 PM
Too many recent players. Rivera on the list is a joke. Bonds is too high. Aaron is too low (guy was a machine). No Puckett, but Edgar Martinez?

one_eyed_jack
12-13-2012, 08:07 PM
Yeah, he should be around 58 or 60.

Seriously, or is that sarcasm?

one_eyed_jack
12-13-2012, 08:16 PM
Too many recent players. Rivera on the list is a joke. Bonds is too high. Aaron is too low (guy was a machine). No Puckett, but Edgar Martinez?

---Yeah the Puckett omission would be defensible if they had put another great outfielder over him. But Edgar, though he could mash, was just a DH. If you want to be considered one of the top players ever, you should be able to at least competently field a position.

gunnarthor
12-14-2012, 09:09 AM
Haven't followed it. ESPN has become really bad the last few years, esp to baseball. Lots of better places around. I think I stopped going there when they revamped their message boards.

Seth Stohs
12-14-2012, 09:25 AM
Maybe someone else looked, but is Rod Carew in the list of 125??

lecroy24fan
12-14-2012, 10:13 AM
Carew is 53rd.

Pedro Martinez at 41 is dumb.

gunnarthor
12-14-2012, 11:24 AM
Carew is 53rd.

Pedro Martinez at 41 is dumb.

Wow, Pedro was that high?

Curt
12-14-2012, 02:33 PM
Wow that is tedious. Here is a list:

ESPN "Hall of 100" (http://forums.kffl.com/threads/301638-ESPN-quot-Hall-of-100-quot)

one_eyed_jack
12-14-2012, 03:43 PM
One thing less productive than ranked lists of players is quibbling about the rankings.

---If you re-read my comments, I think you'll see I was going beyond 'quibbling' in my disagreement with putting Jackson at #55. I don't think he belongs in the top 155.

But that aside, you know what's unproductive? Polluting a thread with snide comments belittling the topic.

The TD crew included rule #5 in the proposed comment policy (http://twinsdaily.com/questions-about-twins-daily/3076-proposed-twins-daily-comment-policy-feedback-desired.html) to address this exact behavior because it was happening so much and it drags down the quality of the discourse.

If you don't feel that player rankings are worth discussing, then simply don't participate in the discussion. Move along and find a thread on a topic you feel is worthwhile.

one_eyed_jack
12-14-2012, 03:58 PM
Guys ranked too high:

1) Reggie Jackson (55)
2) Pedro Martinez (41)
3) Chipper Jones (49)
4) Ivan Rodriguez (71)
5) Alex Rodriguez (18) - roid issues aside

Guys who are ranked too low

1) Mike Piazza (78)
2) Rod Carew (53)
3) Carlton Fisk (76)

ashburyjohn
12-14-2012, 04:24 PM
---If you re-read my comments, I think you'll see I was going beyond 'quibbling' in my disagreement with putting Jackson at #55. I don't think he belongs in the top 155.

But that aside, you know what's unproductive? Polluting a thread with snide comments belittling the topic.

The TD crew included rule #5 in the proposed comment policy (http://twinsdaily.com/questions-about-twins-daily/3076-proposed-twins-daily-comment-policy-feedback-desired.html) to address this exact behavior because it was happening so much and it drags down the quality of the discourse.

If you don't feel that player rankings are worth discussing, then simply don't participate in the discussion. Move along and find a thread on a topic you feel is worthwhile.

You're right.

Don't Feed the Greed Guy
12-14-2012, 04:58 PM
The biggest travesty is Jackie Robinson, at #52, between Rod Carew and Ernie Banks. His place, as a historic icon, is in the top 10. My other icon, Roberto Clemente is #33. Someday I hope Clemente's #21 hangs in every ballpark alongside #42. These two men made historic contributions, that exceeded their excellence on the field.

drjim
12-14-2012, 07:01 PM
If you didn't read the reactions of @OldHossRadbourn on twitter you are doing it wrong.

Teflon
12-14-2012, 08:42 PM
In just isolating pitchers it looks weighted to recent performances and longevity. (44) Sandy Koufax and (32) Bob Gibson being so significantly down the list from (7) Clemens is plain wrong. (100) Phi Niekro and (79) Robin Roberts also seem to be concessions to longevity.

J-Dog Dungan
12-14-2012, 09:31 PM
Guys ranked too high:

1) Reggie Jackson (55)
2) Pedro Martinez (41)
3) Chipper Jones (49)
4) Ivan Rodriguez (71)
5) Alex Rodriguez (18) - roid issues aside

Guys who are ranked too low

1) Mike Piazza (78)
2) Rod Carew (53)
3) Carlton Fisk (76)
Totally agree with you. Piazza was one of the new-age catchers who was tops in defense and offense.

Pius Jefferson
12-15-2012, 12:44 AM
Clemens ahead of the guy in my avatar is wrong.

biggentleben
12-16-2012, 04:48 PM
Totally agree with you. Piazza was one of the new-age catchers who was tops in defense and offense.

Um, huh?! Piazza played defense?

biggentleben
12-16-2012, 04:49 PM
Clemens ahead of the guy in my avatar is wrong.

Or ahead of Mad Dog.

powrwrap
12-17-2012, 07:41 PM
There were a lot of choices that I wondered about but for some reason the one that stuck out was Warren Spahn at only #45. Really? Randy Johnson at #23 was that much better than Spahn? Mickey Mantle at #9? And Walter Johnson needs to be the top pitcher.

My top 5:

Ruth
Mays
Williams
Aaron
Cobb