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AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
12-11-2012, 09:07 PM
The Cleveland Indians (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-indians) have traded outfielder Shin-Soo Choo (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/6205/shin-soo-choo) to the Cincinnati Reds (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/cin/cincinnati-reds) and acquired pitcher Trevor Bauer (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/32014/trevor-bauer) from the Arizona Diamondbacks (http://espn.go.com/mlb/team/_/name/ari/arizona-diamondbacks) in a three-team deal involving nine players.Center fielder Drew Stubbs (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29611/drew-stubbs) was sent from Cincinnati to Cleveland as part of the trade announced Tuesday night.
In addition to Stubbs, the Indians received Bauer, the No. 3 pick in the 2011 draft, and right-handers Matt Albers (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28525/matt-albers) and Bryan Shaw (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30589/bryan-shaw) from the Diamondbacks.
Cleveland shipped Choo, infielder-outfielder Jason Donald (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29671/jason-donald) and cash to the Reds, while sending left-handed reliever Tony Sipp (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28673/tony-sipp) and first baseman Lars Anderson (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/29299/lars-anderson) to Arizona.
The Diamondbacks also received minor league shortstop Didi Gregorius (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/31376/didi-gregorius) from Cincinnati.

mike wants wins
12-11-2012, 09:13 PM
Bauer? Um, he's a much better prospect than any the Twins got in the last two trades, from what I've read. Don't know anything about anyone but Choo in the deal though...

Riverbrian
12-11-2012, 09:15 PM
If this trade doesn't mess with your head as far as player value... Nothing will... Can Gregorius really hang with Bauer and Choo for value.

I like this trade for Cleveland at first blush.

gunnarthor
12-11-2012, 09:17 PM
Wow. Great trade for Cleveland. Wish the Twins had gone after Bauer.

SgtSchmidt11
12-11-2012, 09:17 PM
D-Backs just got robbed. They gave up all that for Gregorius?

kab21
12-11-2012, 09:20 PM
So Trevor Bauer is worth nothing.

B Richard
12-11-2012, 09:22 PM
The D Backs must've really not been hot on Bauer. Makes you wonder what the Twins could have nabbed him for. Really intriguing, this looks good for the Indians and Reds

Mark_RM
12-11-2012, 09:24 PM
Read reports that Arizona got to be down on Bauer as the year went on last year. Tyler Skaags is their SP prospect that's pretty much untouchable.

nicksaviking
12-11-2012, 09:26 PM
I'd be so upset if I was a Dback fan getting only a future utility infielder for one of the top pitching prospects.

gunnarthor
12-11-2012, 09:26 PM
Amazing. Reds really didn't get much either. They lose a solid SS in Didi (and some people think he can be better than solid) and add Choo, a Boras free agent after the year, to play CF? (They also got Jason Donald + cash). They really needed a CFer. I wonder what kind of discussions they had with the Twins.

Cleveland really did well. It's possible that Bauer doesn't develop and he's a bit of hothead apparently, DBack blogs are mentioning that he didn't work well with his catcher, Montero, wouldn't listen to his coaches and was and ripping Obama on twitter. Still, nice gamble.

Mark_RM
12-11-2012, 09:36 PM
Amazing. Reds really didn't get much either. They lose a solid SS in Didi (and some people think he can be better than solid) and add Choo, a Boras free agent after the year, to play CF? (They also got Jason Donald + cash). They really needed a CFer. I wonder what kind of discussions they had with the Twins.

Cleveland really did well. It's possible that Bauer doesn't develop and he's a bit of hothead apparently, DBack blogs are mentioning that he didn't work well with his catcher, Montero, wouldn't listen to his coaches and was and ripping Obama on twitter. Still, nice gamble.
The Reds recently moved their top prospect speedster Billy Hamilton from SS to CF. Looks likely they're going to call him up now. Doubt they'd have had interest in our CFers.

AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
12-11-2012, 09:51 PM
Great trade for the Indians....The other 2 teams didnt seem to fair to well.

iastfan112
12-11-2012, 09:57 PM
Amazing. Reds really didn't get much either. They lose a solid SS in Didi (and some people think he can be better than solid) and add Choo, a Boras free agent after the year, to play CF? (They also got Jason Donald + cash). They really needed a CFer. I wonder what kind of discussions they had with the Twins.

Cleveland really did well. It's possible that Bauer doesn't develop and he's a bit of hothead apparently, DBack blogs are mentioning that he didn't work well with his catcher, Montero, wouldn't listen to his coaches and was and ripping Obama on twitter. Still, nice gamble.
The Reds recently moved their top prospect speedster Billy Hamilton from SS to CF. Looks likely they're going to call him up now. Doubt they'd have had interest in our CFers.

From the Reds and Indians perspective this trade makes sense, at least in some form(Choo in CF could be interesting). Just don't see how you can basically do a Bauer for Gregarious swap though. Even if Bauer's value is down some, Gregorius was a C+ prospect last year according to Sickels and he didn't exactly set the world on fire this year either.

AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
12-11-2012, 09:58 PM
Amazing. Reds really didn't get much either. They lose a solid SS in Didi (and some people think he can be better than solid) and add Choo, a Boras free agent after the year, to play CF? (They also got Jason Donald + cash). They really needed a CFer. I wonder what kind of discussions they had with the Twins.

Cleveland really did well. It's possible that Bauer doesn't develop and he's a bit of hothead apparently, DBack blogs are mentioning that he didn't work well with his catcher, Montero, wouldn't listen to his coaches and was and ripping Obama on twitter. Still, nice gamble.
The Reds recently moved their top prospect speedster Billy Hamilton from SS to CF. Looks likely they're going to call him up now. Doubt they'd have had interest in our CFers.

From the Reds and Indians perspective this trade makes sense, at least in some form(Choo in CF could be interesting). Just don't see how you can basically do a Bauer for Gregarious swap though. Even if Bauer's value is down some, Gregorius was a C+ prospect last year according to Sickels and he didn't exactly set the world on fire this year either.

They definitely did sell low on Bauer, im sure they shopped his name around....and this possibly was the best deal for Bauer they could get.

Kwak
12-11-2012, 10:01 PM
AZ received Tony Sipp LH RP and Lars Ansderson from CLEV as well as SS Gregorious from CIN. The trade wasn't quite that one-sided folks when the other two are included!

mike wants wins
12-11-2012, 10:05 PM
We'll get a chance to see how good Bauer is up close and personal now (well, those that buy tickets will).

Fatt Crapps
12-11-2012, 10:05 PM
If healthy, Choo could do some damage in that ballpark. Morneau will be happy to see Sippy cup no longer in the division.

SgtSchmidt11
12-11-2012, 10:17 PM
AZ received Tony Sipp LH RP and Lars Ansderson from CLEV as well as SS Gregorious from CIN. The trade wasn't quite that one-sided folks when the other two are included!

The D-Backs also gave up two solid relievers for a redux LaPorta and a solid reliever. They got the wrong end.

SpantheMan
12-11-2012, 11:38 PM
The D-Backs must have really wanted to get rid of Bauer

kab21
12-11-2012, 11:41 PM
AZ received Tony Sipp LH RP and Lars Ansderson from CLEV as well as SS Gregorious from CIN. The trade wasn't quite that one-sided folks when the other two are included!

A loogy and a formerly big name prospect that has crashed back to earth do nothing to change the trade.


Read reports that Arizona got to be down on Bauer as the year went on last year. Tyler Skaags is their SP prospect that's pretty much untouchable.

Even if you are down on someone that doesn't mean that you trade them for a utility IF'er, a loogy and a disappointing 1B prospect. they basically got Dozier, Perkins and Parmelee.

glunn
12-12-2012, 12:08 AM
Does anyone remember the last time that the Twins were involved in a three team trade?

The Greatest Poster Alive
12-12-2012, 12:11 AM
Does anyone remember the last time that the Twins were involved in a three team trade?

Doug Mientkiewicz trade?

OT fun fact, in googling how to spell Mientkiewicz i found out he named his son "Steel."

Shane Wahl
12-12-2012, 12:17 AM
If this trade doesn't mess with your head as far as player value... Nothing will... Can Gregorius really hang with Bauer and Choo for value.

I like this trade for Cleveland at first blush.

Yeah it's a dice throw, but Cleveland has likely done well.

notoriousgod71
12-12-2012, 01:01 AM
Towers and Ryan are playing an impressive game of "Can you top this".

Top Gun
12-12-2012, 02:49 AM
Twins will never get out of last place at this rate. Live with it.

Please
12-12-2012, 09:13 AM
The Tribe get more for 1 year of Choo then the Twins did of 3 years of Span.

notoriousgod71
12-12-2012, 09:26 AM
The Tribe get more for 1 year of Choo then the Twins did of 3 years of Span.

Or six years of Johan.

gunnarthor
12-12-2012, 09:39 AM
The Tribe get more for 1 year of Choo then the Twins did of 3 years of Span.

Or six years of Johan.

In fairness, Choo is a better player and they also traded Donald (who sorta sucks but still had potential) and Anderson (overhyped but probably a solid everyday 1B eventually) and a LOOGY. And the Reds got more than just Choo (and their big surrender was Didi). DBacks gave up the best prospect but got a solid shortstop prospect. Man, Cleveland did well on this trade. Every other fan base in baseball is complaining that their GM should've topped this.

Please
12-12-2012, 10:26 AM
In fairness, Choo is a better player and they also traded Donald (who sorta sucks but still had potential) and Anderson (overhyped but probably a solid everyday 1B eventually) and a LOOGY. And the Reds got more than just Choo (and their big surrender was Didi). DBacks gave up the best prospect but got a solid shortstop prospect. Man, Cleveland did well on this trade. Every other fan base in baseball is complaining that their GM should've topped this.

Choo is a better player then who...Span? Cause he's not (unless he gets back to his monster 2009/2010 days) and even that's balanced out by the fact that he's got one year of team control while the Nats get 3 of Span at a below market cost. He's a brutal defender and a platoon player now.

Donald, Anderson (everyday 1B really?) and a loogy are marginal players at best.

kab21
12-12-2012, 07:34 PM
The Span trade was a good one regardless of this ridiculous trade that the Indians pulled off.