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twinkiesfan11
12-07-2012, 09:39 AM
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_09b4717c-79bb-528a-a5cd-851f004ba37e.html

Saw this on Rotoworld this morning. This would be a great move for the right price, he could platoon with Mastro in CF to start the season and move to more 2B once Hicks is ready. I wonder what the Cards would want for him?

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-07-2012, 09:48 AM
I dunno, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I wouldn't give up anything resembling value to get him though. And he seems basically redudant with Carroll already on the roster to be honest. I think for what Shumaker has over Caroll in offense is more then made up for in defense on Carroll's end.

I'd prefer the Twins try to bring in a legit starting 2B/SS with upside, rather then just another Util guy. We have plenty of those :P

I wish we could get Stephen Drew or Kelly Johnson.

twinkiesfan11
12-07-2012, 10:00 AM
I dunno, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. I wouldn't give up anything resembling value to get him though. And he seems basically redudant with Carroll already on the roster to be honest. I think for what Shumaker has over Caroll in offense is more then made up for in defense on Carroll's end.

I'd prefer the Twins try to bring in a legit starting 2B/SS with upside, rather then just another Util guy. We have plenty of those :P

I wish we could get Stephen Drew or Kelly Johnson.

For whatever reason, neither of those two are being mentioned with the Twins. Schumaker could be a nice bridge to Hicks and Daniel Santana and then serve as a useful utility player or trade chip after they arrive.

nicksaviking
12-07-2012, 10:05 AM
I'd like Drew or Johnson, but Schumaker is cheaper and a more consistant OBP guy. I'm sure the Twins are looking to fix the top of the lineup in tandem with finding middle infielders.

beckmt
12-07-2012, 10:08 AM
I believe Schumaker is a free agent. Would not be the worst of signings for a million or two a year.

Gernzy
12-07-2012, 10:15 AM
I believe Schumaker is a free agent. Would not be the worst of signings for a million or two a year.

He's signed for one more year at 1.5 million.
Maybe for a minor leaguer we could get him.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-07-2012, 10:25 AM
For whatever reason, neither of those two are being mentioned with the Twins. Schumaker could be a nice bridge to Hicks and Daniel Santana and then serve as a useful utility player or trade chip after they arrive.
He is still redundant IMO with Carroll around. Also Mastro is a better option in CF IMO, offensively it wouldn't shock me if they were the same, and Schumaker rates pretty bad in CF defensively.

I'd rather give Dozier the reps then another Util guy, to be honest.

Shane Wahl
12-07-2012, 10:29 AM
He is making $1.5 million this year. I really like the consistency of his career numbers. Trading for him would take what kind of prospect?

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-07-2012, 10:33 AM
He is making $1.5 million this year. I really like the consistency of his career numbers. Trading for him would take what kind of prospect?

Someone in the 30-40 range.

twinkiesfan11
12-07-2012, 10:37 AM
He is making $1.5 million this year. I really like the consistency of his career numbers. Trading for him would take what kind of prospect?

My only fear is that he's cheap, has the track record you mentioned, and is also being pursued by the Reds and Dodgers who haven't been afraid to overpay under new ownership. I think he'd be a nice pick up but only at the right price.

AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
12-07-2012, 10:43 AM
He is making $1.5 million this year. I really like the consistency of his career numbers. Trading for him would take what kind of prospect?

Someone in the 30-40 range.

Exactly he would not command anything significant of value. I would not mind having Skip on the Twins one bit.

Shane Wahl
12-07-2012, 10:44 AM
Do the Cardinals need to stock up on middle relievers in their system? Haha.

Kirby_Waved_At_Me
12-07-2012, 11:08 AM
I read a quote (source (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_09b4717c-79bb-528a-a5cd-851f004ba37e.html)) from the Cardinals GM that they wanted (ideally) a ML-ready talent - he didn't specify position player or pitcher.


the quote:
Schumaker “is a name we’ve had out there for a little bit,” Mozeliak said. “We’ve tried to optimize the type of return we might get for him. We’ve left it fairly open. If we can get major-league help, we would definitely consider that. If we can’t find it we will look for someone who can fit into our minor-league system.”


So - who is the kind of player they'd want? Later in the article it says they are looking for a hitter . . . but would they take ... Nick Blackburn?

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-07-2012, 11:29 AM
I read a quote (source (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_09b4717c-79bb-528a-a5cd-851f004ba37e.html)) from the Cardinals GM that they wanted (ideally) a ML-ready talent - he didn't specify position player or pitcher.


the quote:
Schumaker “is a name we’ve had out there for a little bit,” Mozeliak said. “We’ve tried to optimize the type of return we might get for him. We’ve left it fairly open. If we can get major-league help, we would definitely consider that. If we can’t find it we will look for someone who can fit into our minor-league system.”


So - who is the kind of player they'd want? Later in the article it says they are looking for a hitter . . . but would they take ... Nick Blackburn?

The only way anyone takes Blackburn is if the Twins pick up 100% of the salary.

ashburyjohn
12-07-2012, 12:43 PM
The only way anyone takes Blackburn is if the Twins pick up 100% of the salary.

Blackburn is on the books for just 2013, since the team and not the player holds the option for 2014; in that sense he matches up with Schumaker except he makes more. We're going to pay Blackburn to pitch for Rochester regardless, it would be no big deal to pay him to pitch for an NL team. I'd give such a deal consideration.

He's got a pretty significant platoon split, and is someone the Cardinals avoid allowing to bat against lefties. It'll let Gardy earn his salary. That's good - busy hands are happy hands. :)

mike wants wins
12-07-2012, 12:57 PM
Right. They pay the salary no matter what...so if you puck up all of it, and get anything in return, it is worth it. That said, I like Carroll at 2nd.

jorgenswest
12-08-2012, 07:53 PM
He is going to be 33. He has never had positive defensive metrics at 2B. He isn't a good outfielder with the glove or the bat. They need to put forward the best possible middle infield defense.

Worst case is the Twins play him at 2b and Carroll at SS this year and have no answers about Florimon, Dozier or Escobar moving into 2014.

I don't see how this would fit any Ryan blueprint unless his plan is to offer a historically poor defensive team.

Top Gun
12-08-2012, 08:15 PM
Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports that the Dodgers and free agent right-hander Zack Greinke have reached agreement on a six-year, $147 million contract.

It's only pending a physical. The $24.5 million average annual value of Greinke's new deal is the richest any pitcher has ever received. The Dodgers' 2013 payroll now sits over $225 million, making it the highest in MLB history. Greinke will slot in as the No. 2 starter in Los Angeles, behind staff ace Clayton Kerhsaw.
Related: Dodgers (http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/mlb/la%20/dodgers)

Source: Jon Heyman on Twitter (https://twitter.com/JonHeymanCBS/status/277592358294544384)

snepp
12-08-2012, 11:27 PM
WTF does Greinke have to do with Schumaker?

zenser
12-12-2012, 11:21 AM
Schumaker was dealt to the Dodgers for a minor league SS. Los Angeles Dodgers acquire Skip Schumaker from St. Louis Cardinals -- reports - ESPN Los Angeles (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/8738849/los-angeles-dodgers-acquire-skip-schumaker-st-louis-cardinals-reports)