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YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-06-2012, 03:24 PM
Where do the Twins now rank with the addition of two more top 100 prospects? The pitching pipeline looks mountains better and I wouldn't say it's fixed per say, but it's got to be around average. May and Meyer are both great pitchers towards the top and at the bottom there could be some great future players too. It's up to the Twins to draft pitching studs and end the "pitch to contact" notion in order to prevent this crisis from happening again.

As of now, I feel the Twins have a top 5 system in the MLB. Thoughts?

My rankings for the top 15 in our minors
1. Miguel Sano
2. Byron Buxton
3. Aaron Hicks
4. Alex Meyer
5. Oswaldo Arcia
6. Trevor May
7. Eddie Rosario
8. Kyle Gibson
9. J.O Berrios
10. Max Kepler-Rozycki
11. Joe Benson
12. Travis Harrison
13. Jason Wheeler
14. Nate Roberts
15. Daniel Santana

Seth Stohs
12-06-2012, 03:25 PM
I would put the Twins top 10 or 15 up against anyone else's farm system. I may be proven wrong, but I think they can be i nthe discussion.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-06-2012, 03:38 PM
I would put the Twins top 10 or 15 up against anyone else's farm system. I may be proven wrong, but I think they can be i nthe discussion.

Wow that's pretty great. I would think so too, but am unsure the bottom of it is good. It's your best players that make it or break it though, so it may be the greatest.

Vervehound
12-06-2012, 04:23 PM
Where do the Twins now rank with the addition of two more top 100 prospects? The pitching pipeline looks mountains better and I wouldn't say it's fixed per say, but it's got to be around average. May and Meyer are both great pitchers towards the top and at the bottom there could be some great future players too. It's up to the Twins to draft pitching studs and end the "pitch to contact" notion in order to prevent this crisis from happening again.

As of now, I feel the Twins have a top 5 system in the MLB. Thoughts?

My rankings for the top 15 in our minors
1. Miguel Sano
2. Byron Buxton
3. Aaron Hicks
4. Alex Meyer
5. Oswaldo Arcia
6. Trevor May
7. Eddie Rosario
8. Kyle Gibson
9. J.O Berrios
10. Max Kepler-Rozycki
11. Joe Benson
12. Travis Harrison
13. Jason Wheeler
14. Nate Roberts
15. Daniel Santana

john manuel was asked this question in his b.a. twins chat about our system and i believe he said we're one of the most improved systems and that he'd guess we were somewhere in the 6-8 range. that was before the additions of meyer and may so we may be flirting with a top five ranking, especially considering that we're addressing our glaring weakness.

PseudoSABR
12-06-2012, 04:25 PM
Where do the Twins now rank with the addition of two more top 100 prospects? The pitching pipeline looks mountains better and I wouldn't say it's fixed per say, but it's got to be around average. May and Meyer are both great pitchers towards the top and at the bottom there could be some great future players too. It's up to the Twins to draft pitching studs and end the "pitch to contact" notion in order to prevent this crisis from happening again.

As of now, I feel the Twins have a top 5 system in the MLB. Thoughts?

My rankings for the top 15 in our minors
1. Miguel Sano
2. Byron Buxton
3. Aaron Hicks
4. Alex Meyer
5. Oswaldo Arcia
6. Trevor May
7. Eddie Rosario
8. Kyle Gibson
9. J.O Berrios
10. Max Kepler-Rozycki
11. Joe Benson
12. Travis Harrison
13. Jason Wheeler
14. Nate Roberts
15. Daniel Santana

john manuel was asked this question in his b.a. twins chat about our system and i believe he said we're one of the most improved systems and that he'd guess we were somewhere in the 6-8 range. that was before the additions of meyer and may so we may be flirting with a top five ranking, especially considering that we're addressing our glaring weakness.Verve, what's your take on May, how much did his down year at double A damage his overall stock?

drivlikejehu
12-06-2012, 04:33 PM
The additions of Meyer and May are certainly welcome, but overall pitching depth is still pretty bad. The Twins also aren't real strong when it comes to infielders or catchers. I'd guess #5-7 range.

Vervehound
12-06-2012, 04:35 PM
Where do the Twins now rank with the addition of two more top 100 prospects? The pitching pipeline looks mountains better and I wouldn't say it's fixed per say, but it's got to be around average. May and Meyer are both great pitchers towards the top and at the bottom there could be some great future players too. It's up to the Twins to draft pitching studs and end the "pitch to contact" notion in order to prevent this crisis from happening again.

As of now, I feel the Twins have a top 5 system in the MLB. Thoughts?

My rankings for the top 15 in our minors
1. Miguel Sano
2. Byron Buxton
3. Aaron Hicks
4. Alex Meyer
5. Oswaldo Arcia
6. Trevor May
7. Eddie Rosario
8. Kyle Gibson
9. J.O Berrios
10. Max Kepler-Rozycki
11. Joe Benson
12. Travis Harrison
13. Jason Wheeler
14. Nate Roberts
15. Daniel Santana

john manuel was asked this question in his b.a. twins chat about our system and i believe he said we're one of the most improved systems and that he'd guess we were somewhere in the 6-8 range. that was before the additions of meyer and may so we may be flirting with a top five ranking, especially considering that we're addressing our glaring weakness.Verve, what's your take on May, how much did his down year at double A damage his overall stock?

love the pickup - he was one of the guys i was hoping they'd pry loose at the deadline. he's a pure power arm that misses bats but i think he's destined for the pen.

when i'm playing gm in my downstairs basement, this is one of the moves i make. nice job by ryan, imo.

birdwatcher
12-06-2012, 04:50 PM
Where do the Twins now rank with the addition of two more top 100 prospects? The pitching pipeline looks mountains better and I wouldn't say it's fixed per say, but it's got to be around average. May and Meyer are both great pitchers towards the top and at the bottom there could be some great future players too. It's up to the Twins to draft pitching studs and end the "pitch to contact" notion in order to prevent this crisis from happening again.

As of now, I feel the Twins have a top 5 system in the MLB. Thoughts?

My rankings for the top 15 in our minors
1. Miguel Sano
2. Byron Buxton
3. Aaron Hicks
4. Alex Meyer
5. Oswaldo Arcia
6. Trevor May
7. Eddie Rosario
8. Kyle Gibson
9. J.O Berrios
10. Max Kepler-Rozycki
11. Joe Benson
12. Travis Harrison
13. Jason Wheeler
14. Nate Roberts
15. Daniel Santana

john manuel was asked this question in his b.a. twins chat about our system and i believe he said we're one of the most improved systems and that he'd guess we were somewhere in the 6-8 range. that was before the additions of meyer and may so we may be flirting with a top five ranking, especially considering that we're addressing our glaring weakness.

Before the draft last year, I recall surveying various Top 100 lists. The worst ranking as I recall was 17, the best 7. Since then: a very solid 2012 draft (Buxton, Berrios, Melotakis, some injury disappointments (Wimmers, Benson, Salcedo, Stuifbergen), some nice improvements, surprises, and comebacks (Hendriks, Hicks, Gibson, Parmelee, Kepler, Vargas, Polanco), continued strong development of elite prospects (Arcia, Sano, Rosario, Herrmann, Harrison, Goodrum, and now two top 100 additions (Meyer, May).

Time to see fewer laments about how lousy the Twins are at scouting and development.

glanzer
12-06-2012, 04:58 PM
I know very little of other teams' farm systems, but this list of prospects excites me greatly.

ashburyjohn
12-06-2012, 05:13 PM
I know very little of other teams' farm systems, but this list of prospects excites me greatly.

How many of this list of 15 do we give Bill Smith credit for?

joeboo_22
12-06-2012, 05:23 PM
IDK, I think it will depend greatly on who is ranking them. I think when it comes to prospect value they are up there, but if you look at positional depth, like infielders, top line pitching and AAA-AA talent its lower. There are some glaring holes from high A- AAA with pitchers,infielders and that top prospect lighting it up to say they are a top 5 farm system. But Arcia, Hicks, Benson (if healthy), Gibson, Meyer, May do have quite a bit of value, add that with the lower level value (Buxton, Rosserio, Berrios, Kepler, Wheeler) and you see the overall value of a top 10-15 farm system.

joeboo_22
12-06-2012, 05:25 PM
I know very little of other teams' farm systems, but this list of prospects excites me greatly.

How many of this list of 15 do we give Bill Smith credit for?

Sano and 2-3 others prolly. He was only there what 2 years?

birdwatcher
12-06-2012, 05:36 PM
The Twins have five dozen employees in scouting and development. Isn't it a little silly to credit or blame one guy?

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-06-2012, 05:58 PM
The Twins are missing infielders, but having the most top 100 prospects has to make you think they're in the top 5. Not a lot of large framed pitchers towards the bottom, but we do have some good rookie ballers. I think a lot of teams don't have very good catchers and I wouldn't say the Twins are terrible in that area. 4-5 range I'm feeling overall, but a lot of the top 15 are pretty much major league ready.

Shane Wahl
12-06-2012, 06:06 PM
I would say around top 5. Part of that has to do with the fact two guys at the bottom of the top 10, Berrios and Kepler, have super high ceilings.

Shane Wahl
12-06-2012, 06:08 PM
Also, if Benson comes back strong and Rosario shows that he can stay at second base, the Twins may have the best. I haven't checked on the 2013 Royals system in any detail.

Shane Wahl
12-06-2012, 06:14 PM
The Mariners and D-Backs are solid. The Mariners might be trading some of that away though.

ashburyjohn
12-06-2012, 06:52 PM
The Twins have five dozen employees in scouting and development. Isn't it a little silly to credit or blame one guy?

I am by NO means a Bill Smith fan/apologist; I felt he should be fired. But when I look at the list, it kind of jumped out at me that his years weren't a vast wasteland for the farm system.

joeboo_22
12-06-2012, 07:32 PM
The Twins have five dozen employees in scouting and development. Isn't it a little silly to credit or blame one guy?

I agree, you can fault him for trades and contracts but drafts I don't think so.

kab21
12-06-2012, 08:33 PM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.

Jeremy Nygaard
12-06-2012, 09:06 PM
To be completely honest, I've been bearish on how the Twins rank MLB-wise... and right now I'd put them in the Top 5.

The part that makes it even crazier is that we're not looking at a lot of potential graduations this year. Gibson will be off for sure and now possibly Hicks. You have to hope that some of the 2011 relievers improve their stock as starters (or fast-track relievers) and throw in the #4 pick in the draft (Appel? Manaea?) and we're talking, potentially, the best farm system in the league heading into 2014. I know it's a long way off, but still... wow.

nicksaviking
12-06-2012, 09:35 PM
Lets flip the script for a second. Say the Twins thought THEY were the contenders but needed a CF/leadoff hitter to be taken seriously. Which of the TWINS top ten prospects would you be willing to give up for Span? Kepler, Berrios maybe? I don't know if I'd give up either for Revere. The system's deep.

diehardtwinsfan
12-06-2012, 09:42 PM
I thought they were on the bottom of the top 10. After adding these two pitchers, I'd think they've risen a bit. Really high on Meyer as I think he's going to be a stud... Not as certain about May.

jtrinaldi
12-07-2012, 08:25 AM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.
6. Twins
5. Jays- They dealt Marisnick and Nic to the Marlins, but still have Sanchez and Syndergaard. Also have D'Arnaud and a lot of HS talent that will b developing this year
4. Rays- 6 of their top 10 are Pitchers. Guerrieri has potential to be an ace . The rest of their system is built up with pitchers/young hitters.
3. Diamondbacks- They have 3 ACES in Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley with Skaggs being the best, but the rest of their system is weak.
2. Rangers- The System speaks for itself. Profar,Olt, Perez, and a seemingly endless supply of top Latin American talent. I was considering putting them at 1, but their younger talent is about ready to play their first Full league season this year, after this year when Walker and Zunino make their Debut's, the Rangers will be #1. Texas lacks a real ace in their system as well, although Perez will be a good 2.
1. Mariners- Walker is an Ace, Paxton and Hultzen will top out at #2's (which is very hard to find these days), Zunino is a a star behind the plate and his bat backs that up. Maurer is regarded very highly in their system after his breakout year.

gunnarthor
12-07-2012, 08:49 AM
I like our system but we don't have a top 20 type prospect (yet). We have a lot of guys in the 20-80 range but no certain elite prospect. I think Sano and Buxton could get there but they aren't there yet. I think 1-10, we're probably good as anyone but a few teams probably have a better 1-5 or so. I think we're probably a top 8 system but I don't know if we're much higher than that.

On the plus side, next year, despite losing Hicks and Gibson, we'll be adding the #4 pick and hopefully we'll have great years out of Meyer and May to see them shoot up the rankings.

Steve Penz
12-07-2012, 09:15 AM
I don't feel I have enough info to say where the Twins rank. I don't know enough about all the teams and the ranking systems. The one that jumps out at me is Seattle with 3 top 20 pitchers and #3 catcher in the minors according to John Mayo...(only one opinion). Regarding the Twins, two stand out to me: 1. Experts have said it is extremely rare to have 2 legit #1 prospects and the Twins have that in Sano and Buxton. 2. Until recently we had those two guys and solid offense in the pipe and now we add 2 very legit pitching prospects.

We will always need more pitching but I feel really good about where this is going. So far the off season has been very pleasing.

twinkiesfan11
12-07-2012, 09:44 AM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.
6. Twins
5. Jays- They dealt Marisnick and Nic to the Marlins, but still have Sanchez and Syndergaard. Also have D'Arnaud and a lot of HS talent that will b developing this year
4. Rays- 6 of their top 10 are Pitchers. Guerrieri has potential to be an ace . The rest of their system is built up with pitchers/young hitters.
3. Diamondbacks- They have 3 ACES in Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley with Skaggs being the best, but the rest of their system is weak.
2. Rangers- The System speaks for itself. Profar,Olt, Perez, and a seemingly endless supply of top Latin American talent. I was considering putting them at 1, but their younger talent is about ready to play their first Full league season this year, after this year when Walker and Zunino make their Debut's, the Rangers will be #1. Texas lacks a real ace in their system as well, although Perez will be a good 2.
1. Mariners- Walker is an Ace, Paxton and Hultzen will top out at #2's (which is very hard to find these days), Zunino is a a star behind the plate and his bat backs that up. Maurer is regarded very highly in their system after his breakout year.

Not to be a huge homer but I think it could be argued that the Twins stack up pretty well with the Jays and Rays after adding Meyer and May. The D-Backs could move down if they pull the trigger on any of the rumored megadeals they've been rumored to be involved in. It looks like they're hellbent on moving Bauer or Skaggs for a premium shortstop.

jtrinaldi
12-07-2012, 10:21 AM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.
6. Twins
5. Jays- They dealt Marisnick and Nic to the Marlins, but still have Sanchez and Syndergaard. Also have D'Arnaud and a lot of HS talent that will b developing this year
4. Rays- 6 of their top 10 are Pitchers. Guerrieri has potential to be an ace . The rest of their system is built up with pitchers/young hitters.
3. Diamondbacks- They have 3 ACES in Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley with Skaggs being the best, but the rest of their system is weak.
2. Rangers- The System speaks for itself. Profar,Olt, Perez, and a seemingly endless supply of top Latin American talent. I was considering putting them at 1, but their younger talent is about ready to play their first Full league season this year, after this year when Walker and Zunino make their Debut's, the Rangers will be #1. Texas lacks a real ace in their system as well, although Perez will be a good 2.
1. Mariners- Walker is an Ace, Paxton and Hultzen will top out at #2's (which is very hard to find these days), Zunino is a a star behind the plate and his bat backs that up. Maurer is regarded very highly in their system after his breakout year.

Not to be a huge homer but I think it could be argued that the Twins stack up pretty well with the Jays and Rays after adding Meyer and May. The D-Backs could move down if they pull the trigger on any of the rumored megadeals they've been rumored to be involved in. It looks like they're hellbent on moving Bauer or Skaggs for a premium shortstop.
if the Rays trade Shields for Myers, Rays jump to 3 . If Rays deal Shields for Myers, and AZ trades either Bauer or Skaggs (Skaggs is the best one of the 2, and the Indians refused to make a deal for Asrubdal because they wanted Skaggs in it) this is what it looks like. I guess the whole wild card will be "Does Jupton get dealt". Apparently the Royals beat writer expects a Myers for Shields trade to be completed sooner rather than later.
1. Seattle
2. Tampa
3. Texas
4. Jays
5. Twins

Shane Wahl
12-07-2012, 10:38 AM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.
6. Twins
5. Jays- They dealt Marisnick and Nic to the Marlins, but still have Sanchez and Syndergaard. Also have D'Arnaud and a lot of HS talent that will b developing this year
4. Rays- 6 of their top 10 are Pitchers. Guerrieri has potential to be an ace . The rest of their system is built up with pitchers/young hitters.
3. Diamondbacks- They have 3 ACES in Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley with Skaggs being the best, but the rest of their system is weak.
2. Rangers- The System speaks for itself. Profar,Olt, Perez, and a seemingly endless supply of top Latin American talent. I was considering putting them at 1, but their younger talent is about ready to play their first Full league season this year, after this year when Walker and Zunino make their Debut's, the Rangers will be #1. Texas lacks a real ace in their system as well, although Perez will be a good 2.
1. Mariners- Walker is an Ace, Paxton and Hultzen will top out at #2's (which is very hard to find these days), Zunino is a a star behind the plate and his bat backs that up. Maurer is regarded very highly in their system after his breakout year.

This seems to be pretty spot on. I think graduation is going to hit the top six somewhat evenly this year.

Shane Wahl
12-07-2012, 10:41 AM
Lets flip the script for a second. Say the Twins thought THEY were the contenders but needed a CF/leadoff hitter to be taken seriously. Which of the TWINS top ten prospects would you be willing to give up for Span? Kepler, Berrios maybe? I don't know if I'd give up either for Revere. The system's deep.

Good question. I would want to hold on to Kepler and Berrios as much as the very top prospects, so I would be more inclined to send Benson, Harrison, or Boyd and maybe a lower guy like Hermsen. And that's for Span. Revere? Certainly none of the top 10-12.

jtrinaldi
12-07-2012, 12:02 PM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.
6. Twins
5. Jays- They dealt Marisnick and Nic to the Marlins, but still have Sanchez and Syndergaard. Also have D'Arnaud and a lot of HS talent that will b developing this year
4. Rays- 6 of their top 10 are Pitchers. Guerrieri has potential to be an ace . The rest of their system is built up with pitchers/young hitters.
3. Diamondbacks- They have 3 ACES in Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley with Skaggs being the best, but the rest of their system is weak.
2. Rangers- The System speaks for itself. Profar,Olt, Perez, and a seemingly endless supply of top Latin American talent. I was considering putting them at 1, but their younger talent is about ready to play their first Full league season this year, after this year when Walker and Zunino make their Debut's, the Rangers will be #1. Texas lacks a real ace in their system as well, although Perez will be a good 2.
1. Mariners- Walker is an Ace, Paxton and Hultzen will top out at #2's (which is very hard to find these days), Zunino is a a star behind the plate and his bat backs that up. Maurer is regarded very highly in their system after his breakout year.

This seems to be pretty spot on. I think graduation is going to hit the top six somewhat evenly this year.
"Graduation" is going to hit the D-Backs,Rangers, Mariners the worst.
Mariners: Depends how they handle Walker, they could bring him up in the middle of the year, otherwise Zunino,Hultzen,Paxton should all be up July. Without that core of guys, they will be dropping quite a bit.
Rangers: Profar,Olt, Perez likely will be on their OD roster and contribute right away, after they had a cup of coffee in the majors last year. After those 3 graduate, it is Buckel, and a bunch of Young Latins/High School draft picks. Likely sitting at the bottom of the top 10 without those guys.
Arizona- For Now, Bauer and Skaggs will be in the rotation to begin next year. Without those 2, they still have an ACE in Archie who is likely 3 years away, but not much else. Likely sitting at 20-23 once they lose those guys.
Rays will graduate Archer, and have the #1 System. They have Hak-Ju Lee coming up at SS, but their Starting pitching between A+ and AA is amazing. They also have a few HS position players who were top prospects at the beginning of the year, but suspended. Once they get back, the Rays will be sitting nicely.
Twins: Hicks and Gibson look like they will be in the majors to start next year, even without those guys, they have a stocked system. Kepler will be the guy to keep an eye on in Cedar Rapids. The Power in A and A+ next year for the Twins is what why the Twins are trying to get so much pitching. They want to had established starters by the time the Big Boys make their way to the majors. After Graduation, Twins will likely be sitting at #2
Jays D'Arnaud will be in the majors at some point next year. I am not a believer in Daniel Norris, but they have too much HS and Latin Talent coming up in A ball next year. AA has done an amazing job with getting young latins and HS'ers in the draft. After Graduation, they will be sitting at #4 behind the Pirates.

beckmt
12-07-2012, 12:16 PM
I think May is valued too high on the list and probably I also would have Benson lower. Would move Roberts higher and also Gibson(Who rates to be a #2 starter). Outside of that the list is close. Twins should rank in the top 5 as some of the lower prospects also could have high ceilings and be here in 2014(Don't remember name, but leftly reliever drafted last year and was is Beloit(I believe))

jtrinaldi
12-07-2012, 04:24 PM
I think May is valued too high on the list and probably I also would have Benson lower. Would move Roberts higher and also Gibson(Who rates to be a #2 starter). Outside of that the list is close. Twins should rank in the top 5 as some of the lower prospects also could have high ceilings and be here in 2014(Don't remember name, but leftly reliever drafted last year and was is Beloit(I believe))
The Draft Picks that were in Beloit from this year were:
Bax
Taylor Rogers
Melotakis
Zach Jones

Bax and Rogers will likely start in Cedar Rapids to start, while Melotakis and Jones should start in the Fort. Mason and Zach both sit around 96-99 and seem to have closing potential. One of the Dodgers scouts in Beloit said that if Jones was in the Dodgers system, that he would be moving very fast up to the majors.

Jeremy Nygaard
12-07-2012, 11:19 PM
I think May is valued too high on the list and probably I also would have Benson lower. Would move Roberts higher and also Gibson(Who rates to be a #2 starter). Outside of that the list is close. Twins should rank in the top 5 as some of the lower prospects also could have high ceilings and be here in 2014(Don't remember name, but leftly reliever drafted last year and was is Beloit(I believe))
The Draft Picks that were in Beloit from this year were:
Bax
Taylor Rogers
Melotakis
Zach Jones

Bax and Rogers will likely start in Cedar Rapids to start, while Melotakis and Jones should start in the Fort. Mason and Zach both sit around 96-99 and seem to have closing potential. One of the Dodgers scouts in Beloit said that if Jones was in the Dodgers system, that he would be moving very fast up to the majors.

I think the Dodgers scout said 'We'd be moving him for a guy in the majors.' Cause that's what they do now.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-07-2012, 11:35 PM
I think May is valued too high on the list and probably I also would have Benson lower. Would move Roberts higher and also Gibson(Who rates to be a #2 starter). Outside of that the list is close. Twins should rank in the top 5 as some of the lower prospects also could have high ceilings and be here in 2014(Don't remember name, but leftly reliever drafted last year and was is Beloit(I believe))
The Draft Picks that were in Beloit from this year were:
Bax
Taylor Rogers
Melotakis
Zach Jones

Bax and Rogers will likely start in Cedar Rapids to start, while Melotakis and Jones should start in the Fort. Mason and Zach both sit around 96-99 and seem to have closing potential. One of the Dodgers scouts in Beloit said that if Jones was in the Dodgers system, that he would be moving very fast up to the majors.

I like Melotakis more than Jones. He's left handed, younger, and a little taller. While it means nothing, he did perform better too in 30> Innings.

Shane Wahl
12-08-2012, 12:48 AM
I was assuming that Arcia would be up too.

Anyway, a lot depends on Berrios and Kepler, then on people who we don't really know a lot about like Bard.

And again, if Rosario stays at second base that keeps him very high on the list.

lightfoot789
12-08-2012, 01:15 AM
Harrison is ranked higher than Kepler onTwins site, yet everyone talks of Kepler as the untouchable? Why is that? doesn't Harrison have a greater chance of moving through system quicker since the Twins need infield help? Both are exceptional hitters on the brink.

jtrinaldi
12-08-2012, 09:51 AM
Harrison is ranked higher than Kepler onTwins site, yet everyone talks of Kepler as the untouchable? Why is that? doesn't Harrison have a greater chance of moving through system quicker since the Twins need infield help? Both are exceptional hitters on the brink.
After this year, Kepler will be miles ahead of Harrison. Harrison has no set defined position, and will likely end up at 1st if he can get for enough power. His fielding at 3rd is atrocious

Shane Wahl
12-08-2012, 11:53 AM
Harrison is ranked higher than Kepler onTwins site, yet everyone talks of Kepler as the untouchable? Why is that? doesn't Harrison have a greater chance of moving through system quicker since the Twins need infield help? Both are exceptional hitters on the brink.

Kepler should no longer be below Harrison. Given that I believe Sano will end up at 1st, Harrison is either going to DH or, if Arcia is occupying that spot, be traded down the road. Down the road, though, not anytime soon.

kab21
12-08-2012, 11:04 PM
I don't really get the excitement over Harrison. He had a nice season but overall an .850 OPS in ETown isn't that great for a player that is likely headed to 1B. It's encouraging since scouts seem high on him so I'm guessing he has a nice swing that could carry him. Kepler might have repeated ETown but he's still 4 months younger and he hit for a lot more power and struck out a lot less. I also like Polanco more than Harrison because he has so much more defensive value.

J-Dog Dungan
12-08-2012, 11:37 PM
There was a discussion on either 1500 AM or 100.3 FM today, and the guys on there thought that we had jumped into the Top 5 with the new additions. I definately have to agree, and when Sano jumps up a few levels over the next few years, we will probably have a system in the Top 3.

J-Dog Dungan
12-08-2012, 11:42 PM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.
6. Twins
5. Jays- They dealt Marisnick and Nic to the Marlins, but still have Sanchez and Syndergaard. Also have D'Arnaud and a lot of HS talent that will b developing this year
4. Rays- 6 of their top 10 are Pitchers. Guerrieri has potential to be an ace . The rest of their system is built up with pitchers/young hitters.
3. Diamondbacks- They have 3 ACES in Skaggs/Bauer/Bradley with Skaggs being the best, but the rest of their system is weak.
2. Rangers- The System speaks for itself. Profar,Olt, Perez, and a seemingly endless supply of top Latin American talent. I was considering putting them at 1, but their younger talent is about ready to play their first Full league season this year, after this year when Walker and Zunino make their Debut's, the Rangers will be #1. Texas lacks a real ace in their system as well, although Perez will be a good 2.
1. Mariners- Walker is an Ace, Paxton and Hultzen will top out at #2's (which is very hard to find these days), Zunino is a a star behind the plate and his bat backs that up. Maurer is regarded very highly in their system after his breakout year.

Seems like most of the systems that you rated in front of the Twins have more weaknesses than the Twins' system. Your assessment of the Blue Jays assumes that their high school talent will transfer well to the bigs. The Rays I agree with. I would put both the Twins and the Rays in front of the Diamondbacks if they only have three highly regarded prospects in their system. The Rangers do have a strong farm system, but the Mariners at #1? Wow. With the teams you have ranked in front of the Twins, I would actually put the Twins in the Top 3 on this list behind the Rays and Rangers.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-09-2012, 12:01 AM
I was assuming that Arcia would be up too.

Anyway, a lot depends on Berrios and Kepler, then on people who we don't really know a lot about like Bard.

And again, if Rosario stays at second base that keeps him very high on the list.

If Rosario can't stay at 2nd, I don't think it's a huge deal to his prospect ranking. Many have said so, but I don't buy it. The next position for him would be CF which, like we've seen with Revere and Span, is considered a very valuable position across the league (WAR-wise also). I've actually reconsidered my rankings earlier and would put him at #4 in front of Arcia. He's shown to have just as much power as Arcia (perhaps a little more) in addition to speed and great contact skills. Rosario doesn't have a problem with strikeouts and isn't too bad at drawing walks. Looks like he has a good arm as well. He had 6 assists from Center in a shortened rookie ball season back in 2011. I think he could realistically be a 5 tool CF. That's not bad as a 2nd choice.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-09-2012, 12:16 AM
Seems like most of the systems that you rated in front of the Twins have more weaknesses than the Twins' system. Your assessment of the Blue Jays assumes that their high school talent will transfer well to the bigs. The Rays I agree with. I would put both the Twins and the Rays in front of the Diamondbacks if they only have three highly regarded prospects in their system. The Rangers do have a strong farm system, but the Mariners at #1? Wow. With the teams you have ranked in front of the Twins, I would actually put the Twins in the Top 3 on this list behind the Rays and Rangers.

I thought it was pretty harsh too. The Diamondbacks are #3 just because they have 3 aces? Well the Twins have an Ace, Two #2s, A Slugging Phenom, 2 Five Tool Center Fielders, A fantastic pure hitter, and a top 5 middle infield prospect. They also have the best rookie ball team in the Appy league, a solid International scouting department (Sano, Polanco, Minier, Arcia, etc.), and have been improving draft-wise. I think that tops the Diamondbacks, Jays, and the questionable #1 Mariners. Don't want to come off as mean-spirited, I just really disagreed with jtrinaldi's opinion.

kab21
12-09-2012, 04:06 AM
The Diamondbacks and Mariners might be top heavy but I'm not sure if I would call them weak after their top 3-4. And they don't just have a good top 3-4, they have 3-4 A/A- prospects. I think I would put the DBacks, Mariners and Rangers ahead of the Twins.

The Rays and Jays imo don't have the top prospects and the rest of the prospects are full of question marks or at the lowest levels. I think they are below the Twins. I also think the Cards and maybe the Pirates could be ranked above the Twins.

gunnarthor
12-09-2012, 09:30 AM
I think next year the Twins system will be ranked a lot higher. But right now, we have a bunch of guys in the 20-80 range but probably not anyone above that. A great year from a few of those players could change that and I think next years rankings, even with Hicks and Gibson coming off, will be better overall. But a year from now we could realistically be looking at Sano, Buxton, Arcia, Meyer, Rosario, Kepler and the #4 pick all being in the top 100 with potential break out seasons from Meyer and Sano (and maybe Appel) pushing them into the top 20. (And they might make a midseason trade of Morneau and WIllingham for another pitching prospet). And they'd still have nice depth with May, Berrios, Polanco and Harrison. I think the team has done a great job rebuilding the farm system. Top 3 or top 8, the FO is building a nice nucleus for the Sano Twins.

rickyriolo
12-09-2012, 10:11 AM
um, I believe the San Diego Padres have the highest ranked farm system

jtrinaldi
12-09-2012, 10:49 AM
Seems like most of the systems that you rated in front of the Twins have more weaknesses than the Twins' system. Your assessment of the Blue Jays assumes that their high school talent will transfer well to the bigs. The Rays I agree with. I would put both the Twins and the Rays in front of the Diamondbacks if they only have three highly regarded prospects in their system. The Rangers do have a strong farm system, but the Mariners at #1? Wow. With the teams you have ranked in front of the Twins, I would actually put the Twins in the Top 3 on this list behind the Rays and Rangers.

I thought it was pretty harsh too. The Diamondbacks are #3 just because they have 3 aces? Well the Twins have an Ace, Two #2s, A Slugging Phenom, 2 Five Tool Center Fielders, A fantastic pure hitter, and a top 5 middle infield prospect. They also have the best rookie ball team in the Appy league, a solid International scouting department (Sano, Polanco, Minier, Arcia, etc.), and have been improving draft-wise. I think that tops the Diamondbacks, Jays, and the questionable #1 Mariners. Don't want to come off as mean-spirited, I just really disagreed with jtrinaldi's opinion.
The Twins do not have a current ACE in their system.
Gibson is a 2, Meyer and May are fringe 3's, and Berrios is likely a 3. Thus you have no ACE. The D-Backs and Mariners do have the best farm system, which will be depleted after this year when they all make their debut's. The Twins haven't develo[ed an ACE in such a long time, that fans forget how hard it is to develop one ACE, much less 2 or 3. The M's also have Zunino who is being compared to Jason Varitek, and other star Catchers. The core players of my Jays assessment are Sanchez,Syndergaard, D'Arnaud. I am probably overrating the Jays, Norris' Velocity has dropped a bunch since HS and last year (4MPH on his fastball that used to hit 96) .the Pirates should be #5. Lots of young Dominicans coming up, with 2 sure fire aces. I stand pat with 1-4, Should be Pirates 5,Twins 6.

The only Aces in the MILB right now are
Bundy
Skaggs
Bauer
Bradley
Taillon
Cole
T.Walker
Aaron Sanchez
Potentially Hultzen
TBD this year : Guerreri,Fried,Snell

birdwatcher
12-09-2012, 11:22 AM
I like our system but we don't have a top 20 type prospect (yet). We have a lot of guys in the 20-80 range but no certain elite prospect. I think Sano and Buxton could get there but they aren't there yet. I think 1-10, we're probably good as anyone but a few teams probably have a better 1-5 or so. I think we're probably a top 8 system but I don't know if we're much higher than that.

On the plus side, next year, despite losing Hicks and Gibson, we'll be adding the #4 pick and hopefully we'll have great years out of Meyer and May to see them shoot up the rankings.

I agree with you, gunarthur. The chinks in the armour are the paucity of truly elite prospects, the lack of more than one pitching prospect regarded as having ace potential, and an average (at best) pipeline of international signees. The first two flaws are a function of draft order and nothing else. Each draft produces fewer than ten future superstars, I'm guessing, and most of those are picked in the first ten picks or so. The criticism about the Twin's scouting and drafting skills are completely unfounded. The team has more recently beefed up its investment in international scouting, but it's too early to see big results. That said, it's to their credit that they have a top quartile pipeline despite having had only one top ten draft pick in the past half-dozen years or so.

mike wants wins
12-09-2012, 11:32 AM
How is the criticism unfounded, if they have not produced even average players at many positions the last decade? Where are the 3B, SS, 2B, starting pitchers? How about a catcher that can even be a backup? Or a DH that can be average? I don't expect miracles, or superstars every year or every 3-5 years, but I do expect, that if you refuse to spend money on FA, that you have to draft better than other teams. Or, you need to be willing to sign legit FAs, or both.

Physics Guy
12-09-2012, 11:37 AM
Again, this is one man's opinion, but from KLaw's chat this week:

"I think they'll end up with at least 7 guys (in his top 100). Rosario was on it last year, Gibson was on before he got hurt but he's actually better now with the new slider."

His preseson had Sano (28), Rosario (50), May (76), Hicks (80) and Arcia (85). His midseason added Buxton at 18 and moved Sano and Rosario to 26 and 39. His comments on Gibson will put him up there and I think Meyer has a shot also, although I think May might fall from the top 100. I counted 17 who will no longer be eligible for his list (maybe more). I have to think Kepler may even have a chance. I'd say they have a decent chance to be top 5 for KLaw. The Padres had 6 last year on his preseason to 100 and Grandal and Alonso are no longer prospects (eligible for ROY).

Brandon
12-09-2012, 11:40 AM
Where does Wimmers rank on our list?

mike wants wins
12-09-2012, 11:57 AM
I am not arguing the system is not good now (before the trades, nearly completely at the lower levels). I am arguing that saying that last 10 years is acceptable is not something I agree with.

I think Wimmers comes back in 2014 as a 3/4 or so, maybe a 3. That would be a good pick, but that's an optimistic scenario, but possible.

righty8383
12-09-2012, 12:00 PM
Where does Wimmers rank on our list?

Probably in the 15-20 range with a chance to move up once he is healthy and pitching well.

birdwatcher
12-09-2012, 12:07 PM
How is the criticism unfounded, if they have not produced even average players at many positions the last decade? Where are the 3B, SS, 2B, starting pitchers? How about a catcher that can even be a backup? Or a DH that can be average? I don't expect miracles, or superstars every year or every 3-5 years, but I do expect, that if you refuse to spend money on FA, that you have to draft better than other teams. Or, you need to be willing to sign legit FAs, or both.
I'm talking about the criticism that the Twins are horrible at drafting and scouting and development, mike. I can't prove it, but I will submit to you that, if the Twins had the luxury of the favorable draft order of teams like Kansas City and Pittsburgh, they'd have an ace in the pipeline and fewer holes to fill. So, while I can't answer why you haven't seen a player at a given position that meets your standards, I believe that it's attributable to the draft order maybe even luck, much more than some skill deficiency in their drafting and development. Otherwise, how do you explain their many successes like Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Kubel? My explanation for their "luck" with those players is simple. Good draft order, competent talent evaluation, and proper development. Just like most other major league franchise. This notion that they should be better at it is so incredibly unrealistic. What do you want them to do? Corner the market on capable scouting personnel?

And your FA complaints are irrelevant to the discussion about the quality of the farm system, mike.

gunnarthor
12-09-2012, 06:00 PM
How is the criticism unfounded, if they have not produced even average players at many positions the last decade? Where are the 3B, SS, 2B, starting pitchers? How about a catcher that can even be a backup? Or a DH that can be average? I don't expect miracles, or superstars every year or every 3-5 years, but I do expect, that if you refuse to spend money on FA, that you have to draft better than other teams. Or, you need to be willing to sign legit FAs, or both.

We argue this so much it's probably fruitless at this point. But the Twins had a pretty solid decade before 11 where the minor league system kept restocking the ML team. Heck, the Twins completely changed team nucleus without much of a beat. Teams can't stay on top forever, unless it's the Yanks. It's cyclical. Drafting late and having ownership limit going over slot affected the drafts. But, generally, the Twins have drafted pretty well, even if it takes a bit longer for some to make it to the majors.

Gibson, 09, should make his debut this year. Dozier already has. Bullock from that draft was traded for Diamond. Hicks, 08, should debut this year. Revere was 07, was solid and traded for Worley and a prospect. 06 draft hasn't really helped yet. Lots of players from that draft have made the majors but none have, yet, really broken out. Parmelee and Benson will both get shots this season. We'll see.

But if you really are looking at the last decade as you say, as opposed to the last two years as you seem to mean, the Twins have developed a lot of talent. All of the players debuted in the last decade and have had at least one decent year:
C - Mauer, Ramos
1B - Morneau, Parmelee
2B - ugh, Casilla
SS - Bartlett
3B - Plouffe, Valencia
OF - Gomez, Ford, Keilty, Mohr, Span, Revere, Kubel
SP - Liriano, Blackburn, Slowey, Duensing, Garza, Baker, Boof, Diamond,
RP - Mijares, Neshek, Crain, Guerrier, Perkins, Swarzak

And that also doesn't count trades of prospects for guys like Cabrera and Castillo. And it's not counting replacement level guys like Morales, Butera, Tolbert.

jmlease1
12-09-2012, 06:25 PM
The Twins do not have a current ACE in their system.
Gibson is a 2, Meyer and May are fringe 3's, and Berrios is likely a 3. Thus you have no ACE.

Meyer & May are fringe 3's?!? Really? Man, you must have absolutely hated these last two trades.

I'm not saying that ranking the Twins system 6 is some grave insult (I can argue for a couple places higher), but I would certainly value Meyer & May higher. These aren't 18 year-old rookie ball guys with no track record putting up numbers against garbage competition. Both are on the fast track to the majors with Meyer clearly having the stuff to be a frontline starter. May isn't as advanced, but grades out as a potential 2-3 starter.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-09-2012, 06:32 PM
Seems like most of the systems that you rated in front of the Twins have more weaknesses than the Twins' system. Your assessment of the Blue Jays assumes that their high school talent will transfer well to the bigs. The Rays I agree with. I would put both the Twins and the Rays in front of the Diamondbacks if they only have three highly regarded prospects in their system. The Rangers do have a strong farm system, but the Mariners at #1? Wow. With the teams you have ranked in front of the Twins, I would actually put the Twins in the Top 3 on this list behind the Rays and Rangers.

I thought it was pretty harsh too. The Diamondbacks are #3 just because they have 3 aces? Well the Twins have an Ace, Two #2s, A Slugging Phenom, 2 Five Tool Center Fielders, A fantastic pure hitter, and a top 5 middle infield prospect. They also have the best rookie ball team in the Appy league, a solid International scouting department (Sano, Polanco, Minier, Arcia, etc.), and have been improving draft-wise. I think that tops the Diamondbacks, Jays, and the questionable #1 Mariners. Don't want to come off as mean-spirited, I just really disagreed with jtrinaldi's opinion.
The Twins do not have a current ACE in their system.
Gibson is a 2, Meyer and May are fringe 3's, and Berrios is likely a 3. Thus you have no ACE. The D-Backs and Mariners do have the best farm system, which will be depleted after this year when they all make their debut's. The Twins haven't develo[ed an ACE in such a long time, that fans forget how hard it is to develop one ACE, much less 2 or 3. The M's also have Zunino who is being compared to Jason Varitek, and other star Catchers. The core players of my Jays assessment are Sanchez,Syndergaard, D'Arnaud. I am probably overrating the Jays, Norris' Velocity has dropped a bunch since HS and last year (4MPH on his fastball that used to hit 96) .the Pirates should be #5. Lots of young Dominicans coming up, with 2 sure fire aces. I stand pat with 1-4, Should be Pirates 5,Twins 6.

The only Aces in the MILB right now are
Bundy
Skaggs
Bauer
Bradley
Taillon
Cole
T.Walker
Aaron Sanchez
Potentially Hultzen
TBD this year : Guerreri,Fried,Snell

I'd say Meyer is a #2 since his slider and fastball project to be plus pitches and his changeup looks average for a 3rd. He may not have the pitches required to be an ace, but I wouldn't be surprised if he could put up borderline ace numbers (ceiling). I mean Gibson has #2 upside and Meyer is a better prospect. May seems like #2/#3 Flex. Certainly more on the #3 side, but definitely not 'fringe'. Fried is a potential ace? I doubt it. His draft stock should have been higher then.

kab21
12-09-2012, 06:38 PM
Meyer & May are fringe 3's?!? Really? Man, you must have absolutely hated these last two trades.

I'm not saying that ranking the Twins system 6 is some grave insult (I can argue for a couple places higher), but I would certainly value Meyer & May higher. These aren't 18 year-old rookie ball guys with no track record putting up numbers against garbage competition. Both are on the fast track to the majors with Meyer clearly having the stuff to be a frontline starter. May isn't as advanced, but grades out as a potential 2-3 starter.

I disagree with Meyer and May being fringe #3's but I think that some have overrated May and Meyer. Imo they have good upside but they aren't likely to reach it (esp May).

YourHouseIsMyHouse
12-09-2012, 06:40 PM
Where does Wimmers rank on our list?

Probably in the 15-20 range with a chance to move up once he is healthy and pitching well.

I'd rank him in the 20-25. #22 to be precise and just below Luke Bard. That's solely because he's a first round pick. I think a lot of other contributors to the site have him lower because of TJ. He wasn't doing too well prior to it either. When you think about how slim the odds are for prospects to make the show, the odds really aren't in his favor. He can only hope to go the Gibson route.

kab21
01-07-2013, 06:18 PM
Systems up for top 5 consideration: Pirates, DBacks, Royals (thinned out a little), Twins, Rangers, Mariners and Cardinals. Some others that aren't far behind: Rays, Jays, Marlins, Reds, Cubs (very thin after the top 3 though) and Red Sox.

This was just a quick listing. I'm sure that I missed a deserving team or two. Overall I really liked the Twins system before the two trades regardless of pitching/hitting balance. Obviously I like the system a lot more now.

This was from before the Bauer/Myers/D'Arnaud trades. After those trades the Rays and DBacks certainly switch spots while I might have been too high on the Royals (w/ Myers) based on previous strength and the Jays gutted their system. I can understand why the Red Sox are rated high but I'm not as high on the Marlins still but Fernandez and yelich is enough to carry them to the 3rd ranking.

Here are Callis's rankings from the latest Ask BA


1. Cardinals
Loaded big league club awaits Oscar Taveras, Shelby Miller and Trevor Rosenthal.
2. Mariners
Their best prospects, even 2012 first-rounder Mike Zunino, have had Double-A success.
3. Marlins
Blockbuster trade with Blue Jays propelled this system from middle of the pack.
4. Rangers
No organization has more high-ceiling prospects, or one better than Jurickson Profar.
5. Red Sox
Help is on the way with Xander Bogaerts, Jackie Bradley, Matt Barnes and Allen Webster.
6. Rays
Dealing for Wil Myers and Jake Odorizzi helps to make up for recent lackluster drafts.
7. Twins
The best collection of bats in the minors, led by Byron Buxton and Miguel Sano.
8. Pirates
System isn't deep but has impressive trios of arms and bats that most can't match.
9. Diamondbacks
No. 6 on my list before subtracting Trevor Bauer and adding Didi Gregorius.
10. Astros
Rebuilding will take time, but trades and 2012 draft are steps in the right direction.

beckmt
01-07-2013, 09:17 PM
Twins may be ranked lower because of the bulk of the talent being at lower levels. Still think they can move up rapidly with a few of the players now hitting Double A this year and the bulk of the system hitting full season ball. This plus the #4 prospect and any other signings will help.

drjim
01-07-2013, 10:02 PM
Twins may be ranked lower because of the bulk of the talent being at lower levels. Still think they can move up rapidly with a few of the players now hitting Double A this year and the bulk of the system hitting full season ball. This plus the #4 prospect and any other signings will help.

I think this is the main factor. A good draft pick and representative years from Sano, Buxton and a few others and the Twins could be #1 next year.

kab21
01-08-2013, 09:23 AM
Twins may be ranked lower because of the bulk of the talent being at lower levels. Still think they can move up rapidly with a few of the players now hitting Double A this year and the bulk of the system hitting full season ball. This plus the #4 prospect and any other signings will help.

Or they are ranked roughly where they should be. There is no doubt imo that the Cards, M's, Rangers and Rays have a better systems. I still disagree about the ranking of the Marlins though.

Steve Lein
01-08-2013, 01:37 PM
I don't think the Twins are quite a top 5 system yet, they have drastic holes for talent around the infield, certainly not anybody that has shown they can hit AND field, lots of either-or's or haven't shown's (there is some promise - Goodrum, Michael, Polanco). They'd rank 5-10 I think, and 7 or 8 seems to be the spot most places have them. Also, even with their recent Meyer and May acquisitions, they are very light on top-end Starting Pitching, and the bulk of that talent has yet to reach even AA.

However, they are going to be well-represented in top 100 lists, as I think they have 7 legitimate candidates: Sano, Buxton, Hicks, Arcia, Rosario, Meyer, May. I also think Sano and Buxton will crack a lot of top 20's.

Personally, I can't wait for Seth's Prospect Handbook again this year. I always enjoy that and was grateful my top 10 list has been included before.

My top 10 as it currently sits is:

10 - Max Kepler
9 - Jose Berrios
8 - Trevor May (could rise very quickly if he bounces back, was an almost unanimous #1 prospect for Phillies going into 2012)
7 - Kyle Gibson
6 - Eddie Rosario
5 - Oswaldo Arcia
4 - Alex Meyer
3 - Aaron Hicks
2 - Byron Buxton
1 - Miguel Sano

TwinsFanInPhilly
01-28-2013, 02:52 PM
Hope this isn't against he rules of copying and pasting

7) Minnesota Twins (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/teams/minnesota-twins) (17): Strengths: hitting. Oswaldo Arcia (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/148874/oswaldo-arcia) and Aaron Hicks (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/130164/aaron-hicks) will be ready to help the outfield sometime in 2013. Enormous upside in players like Miguel Sano and Byron Buxton, Max Kepler (http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/players/152487/max-kepler) and Eddie Rosario. Weaknesses: lack of high upside arms although that's improved thanks to '12 draft and winter trades that brought in Alex Meyer and Trevor May. If new group of arms develops properly, this could be a top three system by end of '13.

2013 Baseball Farm System Rankings - Minor League Ball (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/1/28/3925786/2013-baseball-farm-system-rankings)

PseudoSABR
01-28-2013, 03:06 PM
A 10 place jump in one offseason is pretty significant. Marlins, Astros and Cubs also made significant jumps.

righty8383
01-28-2013, 03:09 PM
Its free material and you provided a link so I doubt anyone will object.

I also noticed our division rivals are ranked 21, 25, 28 and 30

darin617
01-28-2013, 03:23 PM
Now if we could only hire someone to manage this talent. Also, it would be nice if we could have 1 prospect come up at least 3 years after being drafted. So much for a fast track here to get talent to the bigs to help out.

nicksaviking
01-28-2013, 03:52 PM
Now if we could only hire someone to manage this talent. Also, it would be nice if we could have 1 prospect come up at least 3 years after being drafted. So much for a fast track here to get talent to the bigs to help out.

I'm quick to criticize the often pokey development, but there really are only a few examples of guys currently in the system that really should have been promoted sooner. Look for that to change though if the Twins end up drafting Stanek or Appel in the draft. Their college season has yet to begin but both have a decent shot of being drafted in 2013 and arriving at the MLB level 2014. I don't think the Twins would be able to stymie the advancement of high profile and high polish college arms such as them.

drjim
02-04-2013, 10:16 AM
Law has them #2 behind St. Louis.

BA has them #10.

Brock Beauchamp
02-04-2013, 10:28 AM
Now if we could only hire someone to manage this talent. Also, it would be nice if we could have 1 prospect come up at least 3 years after being drafted. So much for a fast track here to get talent to the bigs to help out.

There is no one in the system who could be called up just three years after signing. Sano was too young when he signed. Gibson got hurt or he'd be here already. Buxton is unpolished and will probably take 4+ years to reach the majors. Michael had potential to do it but fell on his face in the low minors. Wimmers was hurt.

High school guys almost never make it within three years and in most cases, it's a good thing (Delmon Young, anyone?). Considering how many high school guys the Twins have taken in early rounds, it's not surprising how few 22-year-olds we've seen in Minnesota. Plus, the earlier a player gets called up, the more likely a team is to lose valuable prime production years as the player leaves for free agency.

gil4
02-04-2013, 10:33 AM
The Twins have five dozen employees in scouting and development. Isn't it a little silly to credit or blame one guy? I would think he had hiring and firing authority over them all, so no, it's not silly. The buck stopped there.