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DonnyMagic
12-06-2012, 11:56 AM
With the trade of revere what are the chances they are players in the michael bourn sweepstakes?

Brock Beauchamp
12-06-2012, 11:57 AM
With the trade of revere what are the chances they are players in the michael bourn sweepstakes?

Zero. That would be awful. Spend money on pitching and middle infielders. Arcia, Benson, Hicks, and Mastrioanni give the Twins some OF options at the league minimum.

kab21
12-06-2012, 12:01 PM
No, the Revere deal allows the Twins to spend more on the top starter that they target. That's still priority #1, #2, and #3 this offseason.

gunnarthor
12-06-2012, 12:02 PM
Zilch.

071063
12-06-2012, 12:04 PM
None. Not a fit and not gonna happen.

husker brian
12-06-2012, 12:08 PM
Are there any vet CF out there who might be had for a 1 year deal? Seems like that would be a good option given Hicks wasn't exactly expected to start this early.

kab21
12-06-2012, 12:14 PM
I've always liked Reed Johnson as righty platoon player. There really isn't any reason to have Hicks stay in the minors too long and it's really time for Benson to sink or swim so I expect one of them to be up opening day now. RJ would still be nice to have on the bench though.

Brock Beauchamp
12-06-2012, 12:17 PM
I've always liked Reed Johnson as righty platoon player. There really isn't any reason to have Hicks stay in the minors too long and it's really time for Benson to sink or swim so I expect one of them to be up opening day now. RJ would still be nice to have on the bench though.

Maybe it's just me but I like The Italian Job as a fourth outfielder. He's almost perfect in that role.

AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
12-06-2012, 12:19 PM
I've always liked Reed Johnson as righty platoon player. There really isn't any reason to have Hicks stay in the minors too long and it's really time for Benson to sink or swim so I expect one of them to be up opening day now. RJ would still be nice to have on the bench though.

Maybe it's just me but I like The Italian Job as a fourth outfielder. He's almost perfect in that role.

Right about that one Brock!

J-Dog Dungan
12-06-2012, 12:20 PM
I mean, with the outfield market for Bourn shrunk to nearly nothing, if the Twins put out a one-year offer that isn't worth too much but enough for him to consider it, would it be that bad if they signed him for one year until our outfield prospects are more major-league ready?

kab21
12-06-2012, 12:21 PM
Doesn't mean you can't have a good hitter on the bench regardless of position although I guess that's impossible if the Twins are carrying a backup 3B along with a futility IF'er and futility catcher.

ashburyjohn
12-06-2012, 12:21 PM
Are there any vet CF out there who might be had for a 1 year deal? Seems like that would be a good option given Hicks wasn't exactly expected to start this early.

Or even 2 years. Mastro is strictly 4th-outfielder material, and it's a risk to assume the minors will produce both the starters needed even in 2014. (Parmelee seems miscast in RF and will take over 1B in 2014 probably.) Aim for serious contention in 2015, with 2014 as the transition year.

ashburyjohn
12-06-2012, 12:23 PM
No, the Revere deal allows the Twins to spend more on the top starter that they target. That's still priority #1, #2, and #3 this offseason.

Trading Revere frees up less than a million, to be replaced presumably by someone at half a million - how does this allow the Twins to spend what it takes to get a top starter?

E. Andrew
12-06-2012, 12:23 PM
Also going with Zero. We shouldn't be spending on the infield, we definitely shouldn't on the outfield.

Dilligaf69
12-06-2012, 12:25 PM
Less then ZERO!!!

Dilligaf69
12-06-2012, 12:27 PM
Still need another option at 3B(Hannahan likely) and SS....my guess is Dozier will get every opp at 2B cuz I think we all believe he will hit. Throw in 2 more starters and another BP arm and let's play.

kab21
12-06-2012, 12:29 PM
No, the Revere deal allows the Twins to spend more on the top starter that they target. That's still priority #1, #2, and #3 this offseason.

Trading Revere frees up less than a million, to be replaced presumably by someone at half a million - how does this allow the Twins to spend what it takes to get a top starter?

They don't need to spend 5-8M/yr to get a #3/#4 starter now. that money can now be focused on the top starter with lesser needs elsewhere.

greengoblinrulz
12-06-2012, 12:32 PM
Zero......paying max type money on a guy who uses his legs exclusively is a high risk & teams are obviously nervous with him as he's still out there.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-06-2012, 12:36 PM
If we wanted to go after a high priced OF we would be better served trading Willingham away for Pitching/MI help and buying "low" on Josh Hamilton

Not that it would ever happen, but it would make infinitely more sense then going after Bourn.

spideyo
12-06-2012, 12:43 PM
He's a Boras client. Never gonna happen

Top Gun
12-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Terry Ryan said Darin Mastroianni, Joe Benson and Aaron Hicks will all get chances to compete for #MNTwins (http://twitter.com/search?q=%23MNTwins)' CF job.

nicksaviking
12-06-2012, 12:57 PM
He's a Boras client. Never gonna happen

Especially considering the Twins just screwed Boras and Bourn out of his two biggest suitors by flooding the market with cheaper options. Boras has been on a rampage ripping everyone lately, can't wait to hear what he says about this situation!

James
12-06-2012, 01:00 PM
No, the Revere deal allows the Twins to spend more on the top starter that they target. That's still priority #1, #2, and #3 this offseason.

Trading Revere frees up less than a million, to be replaced presumably by someone at half a million - how does this allow the Twins to spend what it takes to get a top starter?
Trading Revere actually doesn't free up any money. We still have to pay Worley, who actually made $2,500 more than Revere last year. So, it's basically a wash as far as payroll goes.

As for the Bourn question... not a chance.

Craig in MN
12-06-2012, 01:01 PM
Rick Ankiel could make sense, if no one else offers him a guaranteed a starting job. He could plausibly win a starting job, platoon with Mastroianni, or be a bench player/pinch hitter.

Willihammer
12-06-2012, 01:38 PM
I think it could happen, if the Twins first thinned out remaining buyers by dealing Mastro, Willingham, and possibly Hicks.

NYY: want to stay under the cap by 2014 = no big multiyear deals to Bourn or Hamilton
TX: Full outfield if dealt Willingham.
LA: Full outfield
LAD: Full outfield

There were three or 4 teams in on Revere, according to Lavelle. The Phils have invested in Revere so they are out on Bourn. Of the remaining teams, possibly one could be sold on Mastroianni. After that, Willingham should be able to deal to TX, as they seem less than thrilled with the prospect of 4 more years of Josh Hamilton.

It would be risky. It would leave the Twins with no outfielders, but it would make them the big fish, in arguably the best spot to make offers to Bourn and/or Hamilton.

Riverbrian
12-06-2012, 01:48 PM
If it was my call... I'm not doing it... One thing has changed for me tho... Before... I wasn't very interested in Middle Infield. I'm now much more interested in middle infield...

Go overpay for Sanchez... Or Jackson or whoever you like Mr.Terry Ryan... Sign a cheap OF'er for a year if you want to delay Hicks a little and jump into the Middle Infield pool if you like. We got the money for all of that.

Umm... Not Escobar or Drew. I still don't want attitude problem guys no matter what they OPS.

twinsnorth49
12-06-2012, 01:53 PM
One word, why?

kab21
12-06-2012, 08:38 PM
Trading Revere actually doesn't free up any money. We still have to pay Worley, who actually made $2,500 more than Revere last year. So, it's basically a wash as far as payroll goes.

As for the Bourn question... not a chance.

You obviously didn't read my previous post and answer to his question. You are right that Revere for Worley is a wash but you neglect to consider that the Twins needed to add multiple starters this offseason. Now they don't need to spend 6-8M/yr on a Blanton type and that money can instead go towards a better starter.

ThePuck
12-07-2012, 11:13 AM
No, the Revere deal allows the Twins to spend more on the top starter that they target. That's still priority #1, #2, and #3 this offseason.

Trading Revere frees up less than a million, to be replaced presumably by someone at half a million - how does this allow the Twins to spend what it takes to get a top starter?

Probably cause it allowed us to fill a spot in this year's rotation for almost nothing (difference between Revere's and Worley's contract) so now the available money doesn't have to be spread out so much, allowing the quality of pitchers to, hypothetically, go up

Riverbrian
12-07-2012, 11:30 AM
No, the Revere deal allows the Twins to spend more on the top starter that they target. That's still priority #1, #2, and #3 this offseason.

Trading Revere frees up less than a million, to be replaced presumably by someone at half a million - how does this allow the Twins to spend what it takes to get a top starter?

Probably cause it allowed us to fill a spot in this year's rotation for almost nothing (difference between Revere's and Worley's contract) so now the available money doesn't have to be spread out so much, allowing the quality of pitchers to, hypothetically, go up

Exactly... We need one less now and that in itself... Frees up money.

mbents
12-07-2012, 11:49 AM
I don't think it's a terrible idea, assuming it's the right kind of contract. Of course, the right kind of contract would be a 1-year, team-friendly-ish deal with the assumption that we flip him at the trade deadline. I get the feeling that's what Theo Epstein is doing with Scott Baker and Nate Schierholtz: sign player to a 1-year deal; hope player performs pretty well the first half of the season; trade player for some kind of prospect. With the market seemingly shrinking for Michael Bourn, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he settles for a 1-year deal this winter.

Steve Penz
12-07-2012, 11:57 AM
For one year only and only if the Twins trade Mourneau or Willingham.

Miles
12-07-2012, 12:00 PM
Can't see it. Even for one year, Bourn's price wouldn't drop so low the Twins would be interested.

ThePuck
12-07-2012, 12:00 PM
Isn't Revere just a younger version of Bourn? Decent BA, low OBP, fast, above average defender (overall, yes Revere's arm stinks) very little power. Bourn doesn't seem to be much better than Revere and Span is better.

minn55441
12-07-2012, 12:05 PM
I don't think it's a terrible idea, assuming it's the right kind of contract. Of course, the right kind of contract would be a 1-year, team-friendly-ish deal with the assumption that we flip him at the trade deadline. I get the feeling that's what Theo Epstein is doing with Scott Baker and Nate Schierholtz: sign player to a 1-year deal; hope player performs pretty well the first half of the season; trade player for some kind of prospect. With the market seemingly shrinking for Michael Bourn, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he settles for a 1-year deal this winter.

Correct. This is the one and only way it makes sense. Take advantage of the market. If the center fielder market bubble has now burst and we can sign him for next to nothing and then have the option of trading him away at the trade deadline for more pieces, ok I'm a buyer.

But this is not going to happen with Boras as the agent. Buy low, sell high! Works in the stock market, it is difficult in the FA market and I think our money could be better spent (invested) in other areas.

Winston Smith
12-07-2012, 12:18 PM
10+ mill a year and give up a draft pick for a guy that's not much better than Span or Revere? Makes perfect sense!

Willihammer
12-07-2012, 01:08 PM
Span and Revere aren't on the team anymore.

If the Twins can deal Willingham for pitching, then they may find Bourn or Hamilton would provide as great, or a greater upgrade over their replacement, than Marcum, Jackson, or Sanchez would be to the rotation, for the money.

But, almost certainly, Bourn or Hamilton would be a greater upgrade, for the money, than would those pitcher in the 3rd tier who are essentially replacement level guys already - Correia, Myers, Saudners. The Twins have plenty of replacement or near-replacement starting pitchers already

Top Gun
12-07-2012, 02:01 PM
Why would Bourn & Hamilton want to come to mn? So you can trade them? Get real, that is why they got agents!

ashburyjohn
12-07-2012, 02:04 PM
10+ mill a year and give up a draft pick

Which pick is lost, the elite first-rounder? Or would it be a lower one? I never can remember the rules concerning this. No way I'd sign him and lose a tippy-top draft pick. I'm less jealous about conserving a sandwich-first-rounder and below, but I don't think Bourn is the guy I'd give up such a pick for either.

Winston Smith
12-07-2012, 02:32 PM
I think the top 12 or so are protected. They would give up their second pick as I understand it which would be around #40.

Brandon
12-07-2012, 03:25 PM
If we are going to get a CF on the open market, its going to be Nyler Morgan or Posednick as a stop gap to go with Mastroianni. We are not going to pay for a CF.

Shane Wahl
12-07-2012, 03:34 PM
Lord. Michael Bourn is out of the question. And why on earth would the Twins want him?