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mike wants wins
12-06-2012, 08:12 AM
Man, people are being mean spirited in their posts......is there a reason we cannot be respectful of each other while still strongly disagreeing in our ideas. We have long time people being condescending. We have people calling each other names. It would be awesome to come here and enjoy the site.....btw, some comments in posts are sarcastic, before responding, think about if the author was serious or not....

Brock Beauchamp
12-06-2012, 08:18 AM
Man, people are being mean spirited in their posts......is there a reason we cannot be respectful of each other while still strongly disagreeing in our ideas. We have long time people being condescending. We have people calling each other names. It would be awesome to come here and enjoy the site.....btw, some comments in posts are sarcastic, before responding, think about if the author was serious or not....

Actually, I felt as if it had improved a lot over the past couple of days. During moments of anxiety (the Span trade), tempers are going to flare. Now that the trade is behind us, it seems like more people are being civil. Just my opinion.

Twins Fan From Afar
12-06-2012, 08:18 AM
I'm in total agreement, and it's one of the reasons why I have been commenting less often.
It seems like, especially the last few months, the comments in some posts have gotten pretty ugly.
Granted, perhaps we might all be in better moods if the Twins hadn't lost almost 100 games last season and seem poised to do the same in 2013, but at times the name-calling and harshness gets a little old.

Brock Beauchamp
12-06-2012, 08:37 AM
I'm in total agreement, and it's one of the reasons why I have been commenting less often.
It seems like, especially the last few months, the comments in some posts have gotten pretty ugly.
Granted, perhaps we might all be in better moods if the Twins hadn't lost almost 100 games last season and seem poised to do the same in 2013, but at times the name-calling and harshness gets a little old.

Just a reminder but when you see name-calling, click on the grey triangle with the exclamation point in it (you'll see it just below the post). That will notify an admin and someone will take a look at the post.

As this community grows, people are going to be more rude. It's just how the Internet works. We try to stay on top of it but none of us can read every post, especially on busy days (this week has been pretty nuts traffic-wise).

scottz
12-06-2012, 08:41 AM
People are snarky and mean on websites like this because they can be. There have been more than a few studies that show how being anonymous to others correlates with some pretty bad behaviors, and ultimately, most of us on here are not personally known to the others.

There's not much that can really be done about it other than to not allow yourself to sink to the same level when confronted with intentionally mean words. If enough people do this, the culture of the board becomes one of reason and respect, even in the face of differing opinions.

snepp
12-06-2012, 08:47 AM
You say snarky as though it's a bad thing.

Twins Fan From Afar
12-06-2012, 08:50 AM
Thanks, Brock.
You guys do a fantastic job -- the website just has grown significantly, and of course there's only so much you can do.

Brock Beauchamp
12-06-2012, 08:53 AM
Thanks, Brock.
You guys do a fantastic job -- the website just has grown significantly, and of course there's only so much you can do.

And we're still figuring out how all this works. It wasn't until a couple of months ago that we finally nailed down a code of conduct policy.

mike wants wins
12-06-2012, 08:56 AM
I do agree, the owners do a great job, this post was not a slam on them at all....and snarky us great, but there seems to be more than that lately. Maybe I am just overly sensitive for some reason.

E. Andrew
12-06-2012, 09:02 AM
I think there's a good balance. If there aren't a few tantrums and tangents, I feel like I'm wearing a turtle-neck and drinking expensive wine.

mike wants wins
12-06-2012, 09:04 AM
Heh...I do also agree with that...I do want a good discussion with passion.

JB_Iowa
12-06-2012, 09:12 AM
I also haven't posted much lately -- mostly obeying the old adage, "if you can't say anything good, don't say anything at all." That has more to do with the state of the Twins than the state of this site but as the general frustration level seems to rise, people seem to get into weird and somewhat nasty arguments over trivial matters.

For the most part, I read through comments and hit the mental "ignore" button. Spring training (no matter how unpromising) can't come soon enough.

Riverbrian
12-06-2012, 09:21 AM
The Tone of Words can also be easily misunderstood. It's easy to mistake condenscending tone for simple disagreement. Sometimes the condescending tone can be real and sometimes it not. It's really hard to factor in the emotion of the poster and the emotion of the reader. They don't always match up. Lots of strong opinion and different viewpoints make for spirited and even overdone debate.

Jim Crikket
12-06-2012, 09:24 AM
Things would just be so much easier around here if you would all just realize I'm always right and just agree with me. Until then, you're all just a bunch of poopie-heads and I think it's my right... nay, my duty... to advise you of such.

USAFChief
12-06-2012, 09:34 AM
You say snarky as though it's a bad thing.

you say that as if you know anything about good snark.

snepp
12-06-2012, 09:52 AM
you say that as if you know anything about good snark.

You say that as if....you....so there!

syves
12-06-2012, 10:09 AM
Man, people are being mean spirited in their posts......is there a reason we cannot be respectful of each other while still strongly disagreeing in our ideas. We have long time people being condescending. We have people calling each other names. It would be awesome to come here and enjoy the site.....btw, some comments in posts are sarcastic, before responding, think about if the author was serious or not....

We need some way to find if people are being sarcastic. Maybe we use some "patron saint of bad ideas" that we could use to let people know. How about, "as reported by Patrick Reusse".

Examples:
We should have gone to 6 million for Marquis. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

We could get James Shields for Ben Revere and Anthony Slama. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

Shane Wahl
12-06-2012, 10:13 AM
Ahahaha, syves. Nice.

I haven't noticed too much of an uptick in meanness, though Ben Revere seems to inspire some hostility . . .

USAFChief
12-06-2012, 10:13 AM
Man, people are being mean spirited in their posts......is there a reason we cannot be respectful of each other while still strongly disagreeing in our ideas. We have long time people being condescending. We have people calling each other names. It would be awesome to come here and enjoy the site.....btw, some comments in posts are sarcastic, before responding, think about if the author was serious or not....

We need some way to find if people are being sarcastic. Maybe we use some "patron saint of bad ideas" that we could use to let people know. How about, "as reported by Patrick Reusse".

Examples:
We should have gone to 6 million for Marquis. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

We could get James Shields for Ben Revere and Anthony Slama. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

How's about "as posted by VodkaDave?"

Brock Beauchamp
12-06-2012, 10:15 AM
We need some way to find if people are being sarcastic. Maybe we use some "patron saint of bad ideas" that we could use to let people know. How about, "as reported by Patrick Reusse".

Examples:
We should have gone to 6 million for Marquis. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

We could get James Shields for Ben Revere and Anthony Slama. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

Well played.

nicksaviking
12-06-2012, 10:27 AM
The snark will probably subside once the free agency blitz subsides and most of us end up disappointed in the Twins offseason. Apathy will set in and people will once again gang up on the shortcomings of the GM rather than each other.

twinsnorth49
12-06-2012, 10:28 AM
Snark.....here? By who, when? I'm disappointed. http://www.websmileys.com/sm/mad/011.gif

mike wants wins
12-06-2012, 10:32 AM
I just realized, we need sound...we need tone, like happy elevator music or something....of course, it is bad enough I am multi tasking at work, annoying my cube mates with sound is probably a bad idea......

AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
12-06-2012, 11:03 AM
Nobody knows Snark on here. Only KLAW Does! ;)

old nurse
12-08-2012, 08:59 AM
The happy glow from the trades is now gone. Back to wine, snark, and pseudo sarcasm.

mike wants wins
12-08-2012, 09:02 AM
The happy glow from the trades is now gone. Back to wine, snark, and pseudo sarcasm.

Yup. How long did that last?

jctwins
12-08-2012, 12:07 PM
This board is child's play compared to the recently deceased "that which we do not speak of" board.

ChiTownTwinsFan
12-08-2012, 12:24 PM
It's a predominantly male site and 'pissing contests' will happen; often. I just tend to avoid the threads that start smelling like the alleys of Chicago. Well, and sometimes I brave them for the sheer entertainment factor and don't take it too seriously.

John Bonnes
12-08-2012, 12:44 PM
I'll just reiterate what Brock said - if you see people being uncivil, let us know. We've had an insane number of posts here over the last 72 hours, and I'm not afraid to delete/wrn/ban people if I've seen them, but we can't always see them.

righty8383
12-08-2012, 12:57 PM
This has been the most tame message board I have ever seen.

johnnydakota
12-08-2012, 01:00 PM
I'll just reiterate what Brock said - if you see people being uncivil, let us know. We've had an insane number of posts here over the last 72 hours, and I'm not afraid to delete/wrn/ban people if I've seen them, but we can't always see them.

Hey ive been nice, even addmitted terry did a good job on the trade, but he missed out on taking Lara as a second pick in the rule 5 draft..
)

luke829
12-08-2012, 01:33 PM
I could imagine the influx of many of the BYTO community probably contributed to some of the angst. The difference in ideas and philosophies was akin to getting water and oil to mix. But hey, if you shake the two together for long enough, eventually they'll come together.

glunn
12-08-2012, 02:00 PM
I could imagine the influx of many of the BYTO community probably contributed to some of the angst. The difference in ideas and philosophies was akin to getting water and oil to mix. But hey, if you shake the two together for long enough, eventually they'll come together.

I am glad to have the BYTO people. They have made everything spicier and more interesting.

PseudoSABR
12-08-2012, 02:08 PM
Others have mentioned it, but many enjoy discussions more with a bit of snark and pushy banter. If this place enforced congeniality I'd find it totally lame.

As far as message board communities, the tone here is pretty standard. Welcome to the internet.

h2oface
12-08-2012, 02:57 PM
I'm in total agreement, and it's one of the reasons why I have been commenting less often.
It seems like, especially the last few months, the comments in some posts have gotten pretty ugly.
Granted, perhaps we might all be in better moods if the Twins hadn't lost almost 100 games last season and seem poised to do the same in 2013, but at times the name-calling and harshness gets a little old.

Just a reminder but when you see name-calling, click on the grey triangle with the exclamation point in it (you'll see it just below the post). That will notify an admin and someone will take a look at the post.

As this community grows, people are going to be more rude. It's just how the Internet works. We try to stay on top of it but none of us can read every post, especially on busy days (this week has been pretty nuts traffic-wise).


Actually, I felt as if it had improved a lot over the past couple of days. During moments of anxiety (the Span trade), tempers are going to flare. Now that the trade is behind us, it seems like more people are being civil. Just my opinion.

And so just how does that work when it is an administrator, such as yourself, just yesterday, doing the deed? (remember the recent Twins, Jared Burton Agree on Contract Extension (http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1235-Twins-Burton-Near-Agreement-for-a-Contract-Extension) comment thread?)

Brock Beauchamp
12-08-2012, 03:16 PM
I'm in total agreement, and it's one of the reasons why I have been commenting less often.
It seems like, especially the last few months, the comments in some posts have gotten pretty ugly.
Granted, perhaps we might all be in better moods if the Twins hadn't lost almost 100 games last season and seem poised to do the same in 2013, but at times the name-calling and harshness gets a little old.

Just a reminder but when you see name-calling, click on the grey triangle with the exclamation point in it (you'll see it just below the post). That will notify an admin and someone will take a look at the post.

As this community grows, people are going to be more rude. It's just how the Internet works. We try to stay on top of it but none of us can read every post, especially on busy days (this week has been pretty nuts traffic-wise).


Actually, I felt as if it had improved a lot over the past couple of days. During moments of anxiety (the Span trade), tempers are going to flare. Now that the trade is behind us, it seems like more people are being civil. Just my opinion.

And so just how does that work when it is an administrator, such as yourself, just yesterday, doing the deed? (remember the recent Twins, Jared Burton Agree on Contract Extension (http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1235-Twins-Burton-Near-Agreement-for-a-Contract-Extension) comment thread?)

Doing the deed of what? Not calling you names and strongly disagreeing with your opinion?

Brock Beauchamp
12-08-2012, 03:26 PM
Others have mentioned it, but many enjoy discussions more with a bit of snark and pushy banter. If this place enforced congeniality I'd find it totally lame.

Enforce congeniality on a message board and you'll find yourself with an unpopulated message board.

SpiritofVodkaDave
12-08-2012, 03:31 PM
Man, people are being mean spirited in their posts......is there a reason we cannot be respectful of each other while still strongly disagreeing in our ideas. We have long time people being condescending. We have people calling each other names. It would be awesome to come here and enjoy the site.....btw, some comments in posts are sarcastic, before responding, think about if the author was serious or not....

We need some way to find if people are being sarcastic. Maybe we use some "patron saint of bad ideas" that we could use to let people know. How about, "as reported by Patrick Reusse".

Examples:
We should have gone to 6 million for Marquis. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

We could get James Shields for Ben Revere and Anthony Slama. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

How's about "as posted by VodkaDave?"

Works for me.

Can we replace all your comments in anything related to WAR with an old guy on a porch yelling at the kids to get off his lawn? ;)

h2oface
12-08-2012, 04:04 PM
Just a reminder but when you see name-calling, click on the grey triangle with the exclamation point in it (you'll see it just below the post). That will notify an admin and someone will take a look at the post.

As this community grows, people are going to be more rude. It's just how the Internet works. We try to stay on top of it but none of us can read every post, especially on busy days (this week has been pretty nuts traffic-wise).


Actually, I felt as if it had improved a lot over the past couple of days. During moments of anxiety (the Span trade), tempers are going to flare. Now that the trade is behind us, it seems like more people are being civil. Just my opinion.

And so just how does that work when it is an administrator, such as yourself, just yesterday, doing the deed? (remember the recent Twins, Jared Burton Agree on Contract Extension (http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?r=1235-Twins-Burton-Near-Agreement-for-a-Contract-Extension) comment thread?)

Doing the deed of what? Not calling you names and strongly disagreeing with your opinion?

That is about how I figured it would work. Never mind.

Physics Guy
12-08-2012, 06:25 PM
Man, people are being mean spirited in their posts......is there a reason we cannot be respectful of each other while still strongly disagreeing in our ideas. We have long time people being condescending. We have people calling each other names. It would be awesome to come here and enjoy the site.....btw, some comments in posts are sarcastic, before responding, think about if the author was serious or not....

We need some way to find if people are being sarcastic. Maybe we use some "patron saint of bad ideas" that we could use to let people know. How about, "as reported by Patrick Reusse".

Examples:
We should have gone to 6 million for Marquis. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

We could get James Shields for Ben Revere and Anthony Slama. As Reported by Patrick Reusse.

How's about "as posted by VodkaDave?"

Speaking of snark...

twinsnorth49
12-08-2012, 06:49 PM
I could imagine the influx of many of the BYTO community probably contributed to some of the angst. The difference in ideas and philosophies was akin to getting water and oil to mix. But hey, if you shake the two together for long enough, eventually they'll come together.
Different ideas and philosophies? How so?