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Seth Stohs
11-20-2012, 04:14 PM
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?1188-Gibson-Hicks-among-8-players-added-to-Twins-40-man-roster

SirLoin
11-20-2012, 04:28 PM
I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.

SweetOne69
11-20-2012, 04:45 PM
I believe that the addition of Pinto signals the end of Butera's tenure with the Twins. No way are the Twins going to keep 5 catchers on the 40 man roster, so I expect Butera to be non-tendered.

SweetOne69
11-20-2012, 04:46 PM
I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.

I agree that there is some team willing to give Slama a shot, especially after his performance last year.

Winston Smith
11-20-2012, 04:47 PM
If they take a player in the rule 5 or they sign any free agents what players are likely to be dropped if these guys must stay until spring?
Seems really strange they didn't leave any open spots with all the players being let go.

minn55441
11-20-2012, 04:49 PM
Any thought that by filling up the entire 40 man roster that it signals that we have a multi-player trade brewing? If we are shipping out 2 or 3 guys on our 40 man roster for one very good pitcher, that would leave us at 37 or 38?

Am I being too optimistic?

Jim H
11-20-2012, 05:04 PM
I think that the Twins might have a couple of guys they would be willing to risk losing if they have to pass them through waivers. With all teams trying to jockey their 40 man rosters around this time of the year, it might also be a good time to do that.

I am also a bit surprised they protected that many.

roger
11-20-2012, 05:14 PM
I expected Pinto, however, am a bit surprised that they added 8. Expect they will make a move or two before the Rule 5 draft as they certainly will want to look at potential starting pitchers. Most likely to be moved could be Fields.

Seth Stohs
11-20-2012, 05:16 PM
Field is one of about 5-6 guys who could still be removed if needed.

Madre Dos
11-20-2012, 05:24 PM
I believe that the addition of Pinto signals the end of Butera's tenure with the Twins. No way are the Twins going to keep 5 catchers on the 40 man roster, so I expect Butera to be non-tendered.

So happy For Josmil! He is a great guy and very hard working. Hope to see him starting in minnesota one day.

Kwak
11-20-2012, 05:55 PM
Any thought that by filling up the entire 40 man roster that it signals that we have a multi-player trade brewing? If we are shipping out 2 or 3 guys on our 40 man roster for one very good pitcher, that would leave us at 37 or 38?

Am I being too optimistic?

It does seem that the Twins are more interested in trading for pitching help than signing free agents. That also is consistent with Ryan's previous statement of "...thin free agent market...".

darin617
11-20-2012, 07:22 PM
Field is one of about 5-6 guys who could still be removed if needed.

so who are the other 5 guys that don't deserve to be on the 40 man roster? They better make a move for a decent starter before contracts like the one KC just handed Guthrie drive up the market for the other quality arms.

One last thing do you think they will draft a hard thrower who can actually throw strikes in the Rule 5 draft?

Rosterman
11-20-2012, 07:45 PM
Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.

h2oface
11-20-2012, 07:57 PM
so what is nate roberts' status. can he be selected in the rule 5 draft? with a full 40 man roster........ expectations of free agent pitcher signings are dimmed. at least in the very near future.

Laroosh1
11-20-2012, 08:05 PM
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?1188-Gibson-Hicks-among-8-players-added-to-Twins-40-man-roster

I think it is a shame that Chris Colabello was not signed on the 40 man roster. He proved he can hit in AA ball and is tearing it up in Mexico for winter ball. What a shame. They must be saving him for trade.

Seth Stohs
11-20-2012, 08:15 PM
Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.

Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.

Seth Stohs
11-20-2012, 08:18 PM
so what is nate roberts' status. can he be selected in the rule 5 draft? with a full 40 man roster........ expectations of free agent pitcher signings are dimmed. at least in the very near future.

Nate Roberts doesn't have to be added until after next season since he was a college draft pick in 2010. He and Alex Wimmers should hopefully lead the list of For-Sures.

Lots can happen to make the roster less than 40 and they can sign free agents. Also, they can make trades.

Seth Stohs
11-20-2012, 08:19 PM
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?1188-Gibson-Hicks-among-8-players-added-to-Twins-40-man-roster

I think it is a shame that Chris Colabello was not signed on the 40 man roster. He proved he can hit in AA ball and is tearing it up in Mexico for winter ball. What a shame. They must be saving him for trade.

He wouldn't have to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2014 season... so it's not worth taking a roster spot now since he can't be selected in the Rule 5.

maxisagod
11-20-2012, 08:26 PM
Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.

Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.

Oliveros would be the 1st player the twins would remove if they sign someone. If he's out most of 2013, then the rule five rules would apply in 2014 as well.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-20-2012, 10:02 PM
Nate Roberts doesn't have to be added until after next season since he was a college draft pick in 2010. He and Alex Wimmers should hopefully lead the list of For-Sures.



Arcia was signed in the summer of 2007 and needed to be added in November of 2011.

Kepler (summer) and Sano (fall) were signed in 2009, so I'm anticipating that they will need to be added in November of 2013.

I do believe, though, that I read at one point that because of when Sano signed that the Twins would get an extra year. I didn't - and still don't - see how that's possible. If eligible, both are must-adds.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-20-2012, 10:04 PM
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?1188-Gibson-Hicks-among-8-players-added-to-Twins-40-man-roster

I think it is a shame that Chris Colabello was not signed on the 40 man roster. He proved he can hit in AA ball and is tearing it up in Mexico for winter ball. What a shame. They must be saving him for trade.

He wouldn't have to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2014 season... so it's not worth taking a roster spot now since he can't be selected in the Rule 5.

Let's be honest here... Colabello will be the everyday first baseman for the Twins at some point in 2013.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
11-20-2012, 10:08 PM
For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.

greengoblinrulz
11-20-2012, 11:08 PM
Five other guys: Butera, Swarzak both in arbitration. Tom Field is a so-so. Lester Oliveros is injured and out for most of 2013. Deolis Guerra could be gone. You could argue the need to keep Benson around. Is Mastro a real keeper? Hermann cold be outrighted. Sometimes it is easier to get guys thru once the Rule 5 happens and rosters fill up.

Butera, Field easily moved. Swarzak isn't arb eligible so they'll definitely keep him. He would also be lost. Oliveros will be out for all of 2013, but that makes him an easy pick in the Rule 5 because the other team can keep him all next year on their DL and then bring him back the following year. Guerra could possibly sneak through. Mastroianni maybe could sneak through, but he's an ideal 4th OF, so I'd keep him. Herrmann would be claimed by a bunch of teams.

Oliveros would be the 1st player the twins would remove if they sign someone. If he's out most of 2013, then the rule five rules would apply in 2014 as well.

If you can hold out on Oliveras till the season starts, he immediately goes to 60 day DL.
Butera, Guerra, Field, Swarzak, Burnett could be possibilites IMO. No shot on Benson, Mastro, Hermann.

h2oface
11-20-2012, 11:23 PM
for many of these guys.............. IF they are (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers when returned if you don't want them on your active roster? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later. thanks in advance for the clarifications.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-20-2012, 11:26 PM
for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.

Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.

clutterheart
11-21-2012, 12:25 AM
Last time I checked, Pugh is doing well in Winterball. I would expect someone makes a claim on him in the Rule V but would be surprised if the Twins lost him as I doubt he could stick the whole year on the 25 man roster.

I am surprised Santana is on the 40 man. If this was the plan, why wouldn't they have called him up to AA sometime last year? I doubt he would make it the whole year on a 25 man roster and probably would've stayed with the team through the Rule V draft.

Seth Stohs
11-21-2012, 12:51 AM
For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.

Just a correction... It's the Rule 5 draft, not the Rule V draft...

Anyway, I like Anthony and I sincerely hope for him that he does get selected. But teams have had opportunities to pick him up and haven't. I'd be shocked if he was taken now. In part because the last few years only about 10-12 players get drafted in the Rule 5, few stick, and they're generally younger.

Seth Stohs
11-21-2012, 12:57 AM
for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers when returned if you don't want them on your active roster? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later. thanks in advance for the clarifications.

Honestly, the Twins wouldn't put someone on the 40 man roster that they don't think would be taken in the Rule 5. In other words, they must feel that the likelihood of these guys being selected was worth adding them. Hicks and Gibson are the types of talents that people would take and probably play. It's not hard to 'hide' a 12th or 13th pitcher, so someone like Tonkin would certainly be in play, and Thielbar is left-handed with some good, intriguing stuff who pitched alright in AAA. Left-handed and breathing. Twins showed last year that it's not hard to hide a 3rd catcher, even when they went with 13 pitchers. And Pinto would be a pinch-hitting type. He may have been taken. I'm surprised by the Wood inclusion, but again, 29 and throws hard, so he easily could be hidden. Santana is a true, natural shortstop with great speed and athleticism. Not many of those out there, so I'm sure this was a pretty easy choice for the team to keep him. He'd be stashed as a 2nd utility infielder who mainly pinch-runs.

Don't get me wrong... I was very surprised by Pinto, Thielbar and Wood. To be honest, I"m almost a little surprised by Hermsen, but I can certainly understand the case for each.

Seth Stohs
11-21-2012, 01:02 AM
for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.

Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.

I wouldn't have added 8 either, I don't think, but like I said above, I can see the case. Salcedo was so hurt last year that no one would take him this offseason and be able to keep him on the big league roster, and my assumptino is that he will be too healthy next year to just throw on the DL. So, he's an easy choice to not add whereas a guy like Thielbar or Wood could be selected and would have no problem sticking on the big league roster of a team that has an open spot, or a bad team just trying to add pieces.

h2oface
11-21-2012, 04:09 AM
i just don't see the "hide/stash" scenario anymore. this is a new era in baseball. the old school mentality is proving to no longer work. oakland and san fran and tampa.......... they are examples. with stacking 12 pitchers, and 9 position players, and 4 bench, or however one divides the 25 man roster.......... with starting pitchers only being able to go (or allowed to go) 100 pitches, and many doing that by the 5th..... and then those guys that are hurt but not honest, and the team doesn't put them on the DL right away (sound familiar), the team is thinner yet. the national league teams have to use more pinch hitters. the twins were just about as horrible as it can get, and they wouldn't have brought up any of the guys in question, and i don't know how the twins could have possibly hidden anybody all year and taken up that precious roster spot. i see guys like butera as exposed, and not hidden. kinda like constantly having to have a pitcher come to bat. so exposed, not hidden. but again, i don't really think it matters to protect them, as they would come back. this group of 40 are the ones that ryan must see as the twins immediate future, and because he is still in the era past, this is how he believes he needs to play it. so this is what we see. ryan's vision of the team his is building for its fans. perhaps he is making sure he has the chips he is working on trades with? too hopeful? the gems in the draft might be those that were hurt, and not protected, that are actually ready to get the shot if they rehab to the same or better level.

slama seems to be the perfect pick for a reliever. ready as can be, just untested. i sense his freedom is near.

Cody Christie
11-21-2012, 10:26 AM
I hope Slama is given an opportunity with someone. He seems like a decent guy and he deserves another shot in the big leagues.

tellis205
11-21-2012, 10:51 AM
Dave St. Peter was on Syd and Dave's show on Sunday and made the comment
"I wouldn't be surprised if we make a couple deals during the Winter Meetings coming up". So let's wait a few weeks and see what happens.

Kwak
11-21-2012, 11:28 AM
Dave St. Peter was on Syd and Dave's show on Sunday and made the comment
"I wouldn't be surprised if we make a couple deals during the Winter Meetings coming up". So let's wait a few weeks and see what happens.
If the Twins don't make any deals as a result of the Winter meetings there will outrage across the tundra. The Twins may continue to deal through Spring Training but they have to be able to show something by a couple days after the Winter meetings close.

MrHockey
11-21-2012, 03:52 PM
I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.

I agree that there is some team willing to give Slama a shot, especially after his performance last year.

I believe he was eligible (http://baseballnewshound.com/?page_id=1868) in 2011 for the Rule 5 Draft but was not chosen. My guess is that he must have spit (or is it spat) sunflower seeds at Gardy at some point in his career.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-21-2012, 04:06 PM
I have to imagine it's almost a lock that Anthony Slama gets taken in the Rule 5 draft. There has to be a team like the Royals or Astros that would be more than willing to give him a shot for an entire season.

I agree that there is some team willing to give Slama a shot, especially after his performance last year.

I believe he was eligible (http://baseballnewshound.com/?page_id=1868) in 2011 for the Rule 5 Draft but was not chosen. My guess is that he must have spit (or is it spat) sunflower seeds at Gardy at some point in his career.

He wasn't expected to get drafted in the Rule 5 draft last year because he was outrighted off the roster in October and went unclaimed. If anyone at all wanted him, they could have had him for free. A month and a half later no team was going to cough up $50K and a major league roster spot.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-21-2012, 04:22 PM
for many of these guys.............. IF they arem (would have been) chosen......... the odds of them staying on any teams' active roster is so minute, that it really doesn't matter if they are on the twins' 40 man. plus, the original team comes out 25K to the good. do they have to go through waivers? what is the harm of not protecting those that are in A ball or AA ball? you would get them back anyway. and probably sooner than later.

Agreed. The part that irritates me is that they add eight guys, six of which have ceilings as replacement-level guys, yet don't add Salcedo who still has potential to be at least a mid-rotation starter.

I wouldn't have added Salcedo myself, but there's no way I add eight guys before him.

I wouldn't have added 8 either, I don't think, but like I said above, I can see the case. Salcedo was so hurt last year that no one would take him this offseason and be able to keep him on the big league roster, and my assumptino is that he will be too healthy next year to just throw on the DL. So, he's an easy choice to not add whereas a guy like Thielbar or Wood could be selected and would have no problem sticking on the big league roster of a team that has an open spot, or a bad team just trying to add pieces.

BA released their first Rule 5 draft preview today.

There were no Twins included in the list of 10 guys that could hear their named called. There were also no Twins included (surprisingly?) in the five names that fell into the "They were protected?" category.

The Tigers apparently added a SS that batted .195 in high-class A last year. (Maybe they feared the Twins would take him?)

ThePuck
11-21-2012, 04:39 PM
Players who were signed when they were 19 or older and have played in professional baseball for four years are eligible, as are players who were signed at 18 and have played for five years.

Rosterman
11-21-2012, 06:04 PM
Be interesting to see what players Miami and Houston might grab. Sometimes you can find a gem, like Slama, as a team's 41st player.

Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?

And, yes, fewer and fewer teams can "stash"a player. I think the Twins may have wished that they had stashed Terry Doyle last season, though.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-21-2012, 09:27 PM
Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?

In addition to the 40-man roster, teams have a AAA and AA reserve list. These lists aren't public knowledge, so it's hard to know who will be available and who won't be... but if you're not on the reserve lists, you're available to be selected.

Seth Stohs
11-21-2012, 10:38 PM
The Tigers apparently added a SS that batted .195 in high-class A last year. (Maybe they feared the Twins would take him?)


Dixon Machado. I saw him last year in Beloit, playing for West Michigan. He made me stop doing anything to watch him take infield at shortstop. Unbelievably smooth glove. He was their ninth hitter last year, and I"m sure he was again. Again, I don't know that I would have protected him, but there are so few pure shortstops that when teams find them, they protect them.

Seth Stohs
11-21-2012, 10:50 PM
Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?

In addition to the 40-man roster, teams have a AAA and AA reserve list. These lists aren't public knowledge, so it's hard to know who will be available and who won't be... but if you're not on the reserve lists, you're available to be selected.

Yeah, we can assume that guys like Pugh and Salcedo will be on the AAA reserve list. Guys who will be eligible for next year's big league Rule 5 (Wimmers, Roberts) would need to be on the AAA reserve list this year. A player who needs to be added to the big league 40 man in two years (Michael, etc.) would need to be on the AA reserve list this year.

ScottyB
11-22-2012, 08:35 AM
Dave St. Peter was on Syd and Dave's show on Sunday and made the comment
"I wouldn't be surprised if we make a couple deals during the Winter Meetings coming up". So let's wait a few weeks and see what happens.

I sure hope they make a trade or two to clear out some space for the Rule 5 draft. I'd take a flyer on Daniel Rosenbaum from the Nats. I think he could be 'Diamondesque". A lefty starter with 4 pitches. Not a top-of-the rotation guy, but better than anything we've got right now.

Question: Are there multiple rounds in the draft? It seems to me that the Tigers had multiple Rule 5 picks 1 year when they were awful.

Jeremy Nygaard
11-22-2012, 08:55 AM
[Question: Are there multiple rounds in the draft? It seems to me that the Tigers had multiple Rule 5 picks 1 year when they were awful.

You can make selections as long as you have room on your 40-man. And as long as there is room, you can pick until you pass. A lot of teams pass in the first round. But, yeah, there are multiple rounds...

Alex
11-22-2012, 09:16 AM
For Slama's sake I hope he gets picked in the rule V......anyone except the White Sox is fine.

Just a correction... It's the Rule 5 draft, not the Rule V draft...

Anyway, I like Anthony and I sincerely hope for him that he does get selected. But teams have had opportunities to pick him up and haven't. I'd be shocked if he was taken now. In part because the last few years only about 10-12 players get drafted in the Rule 5, few stick, and they're generally younger.

Isn't the fact that they're under team control likely part reason and not just younger? Slama did put a great season together in AAA and that could easily have changed minds. It seems like the back of the bullpen is an easy place to keep a Rule 5 pick (at worst.) Slama could give a team at least a couple of years (possibly more) very cheap.

Last season, Terry Ryan said Slama would get his shot (2013), but to me, this doesn't seem to coincide with that statement, at least if he meant with the Twins. If he really wanted to give him his shot, wouldn't he have been protected just in case? Though maybe these other younger players are more valuable long term.

old nurse
11-22-2012, 09:22 AM
Be interesting to see what players Miami and Houston might grab. Sometimes you can find a gem, like Slama, as a team's 41st player.

Could someone explain the rules to the minor league portion of the draft?

And, yes, fewer and fewer teams can "stash"a player. I think the Twins may have wished that they had stashed Terry Doyle last season, though.

I really hope you are not serious. Doyle was released by Chicago. After a glorious late summer in Japan he is in the Red Sox minor leagues. In short. if the Twins had wanted him at any point last year they could have had him.
Well documented but not well remembered is that any team could have had Slama for free. So his gem must be zirconium.

Rosterman
11-22-2012, 11:29 AM
Doyle arranged his release to sign with Japan, so he didn't pass thru waivers. He had a decent AAA for the Sox and pitched well in Japan. He was a minors free agent and signed with the Red Sox this season. He may have been a bust (had a horrible spring for the Twins) but considering the need the Twins had for a starter last year, it would've been a great opportunity...but the Twins had more faith in Gray and Maloney for the back of the bullpen. My gripe is that they did see something in him that was worth $50,000. But it was as much a blown opportunity by Doyle as it was by the Twins.

SpantheMan
11-25-2012, 01:54 PM
If Oliveros I moved to the 60-day Dl to clear a 40man roster spot could he be drafted in the rule-5 draft?

Shane Wahl
11-25-2012, 02:15 PM
Obviously Tim Wood doesn't belong anywhere near this team. If he ends up being the 2013 equivalent of Jeff Gray, I will just give up on this team.

SweetOne69
11-26-2012, 08:49 AM
If Oliveros I moved to the 60-day Dl to clear a 40man roster spot could he be drafted in the rule-5 draft?

no, since he can't be put on the DL until the end of ST.