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Seth Stohs
03-09-2012, 09:27 AM
You can view the page at http://www.twinsdaily.com/content.php?298-Projected-Twins-Roster

ossieO
03-09-2012, 10:26 AM
I'm also intrigued by Towles, but I think Butera is too well liked by Gardy and Pavano to be cut. Also, is Butera out of options? I thought he was, but Mackey says no.

The Twins need to find a utility infielder on the waiver wire at the end of spring training.

The bullpen....I have no idea.

2wins87
03-09-2012, 10:46 AM
I think Doyle is a given, I don't see the Twins just letting him head back to Chicago after using a rule 5 pick on him.

Also I like the way Matt Maloney has pitched in his very small sample size so far. Maybe the Twins keep him on instead of Burton if they want another left handed arm in the bullpen?

Can't really argue with your choices though.

go4phan
03-09-2012, 10:58 AM
I think Doyle is a lock to make the bullpen and I'm calling it now...Gutierrez impresses enough to make the final spot.

Steve Lein
03-09-2012, 11:23 AM
Giving up on Burnett I see, Seth... I'm really curious as to why Anthony Slama was not invited to big-league camp, he came on at the end of last year after his injury and did well in Mexico this winter. Everyone kind of forgot about Manship when he went on the DL last year, but he definitely is in the mix again. I'm not that sold on Doyle being kept on the MLB roster just because he was a rule V pick (Twins made trade last year to keep Diamond at AAA to start), but he might earn it if he keeps pitching well. Also not yet sold on Burton being a better option than some others.

ltwedt
03-09-2012, 11:27 AM
I have stated my case against Butera and in favor of Towles, so I'm good there.

I hope, but give no chance for, the Twins realizing the error of Nishi, and doing their best to cut their losses with him. Disappointing to see them make the trip North with the sameo-sameo- starting rotation. There's a saying - If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got! Fitting for my expectations from that corp of pitchers.

Isn't there a way to package some of their relievers (read here Swarzak, Manship, Duensing, or a combination of them), and get a good one? 'Course, there needs to be a good available, and I'm lost for that answer - they have already missed that boat!

Thrylos
03-09-2012, 12:17 PM
I think that unless Hughes bombs he is a lock and there will be 2 open spots on the bench. Two of Towles, Butera, Rivera, Mastroianni, Burroughs, Bates, Nishioka, Florimon, Dozier, Tosoni will get those spots, but it is too early to tell...

As far as the 3 bullpen spots go (and I agree with your locks) one will probably be Doyle's to lose. I see Burton, Maloney, Wise, Oliveros, Perdomo, Burnett, Waldrop, Vasquez, Gray, Gutierrez and probably a couple more fighting for those. I think the only ones that can be counted out are Bulger, Guerra and Hendriks (for different reasons). Unless either Blackburn or Marquis pitch their way to the pen, which will open a competition between Doyle, Hendricks and Swarzak for the last rotation spot.

Fanatic Jack
03-09-2012, 12:46 PM
Seth,

What about Carlos Gutierrez?? I have to believe he has a legitimate chance of making the team out of spring training if he pitches well. I also think he should replace Alex Burnett who has has every opportunity in the majors and disappointed.

Seth Stohs
03-09-2012, 12:47 PM
Ossie - Butera has two options remaining. He hasn't been optioned since 2009.

Steve - Absolutely NOT giving up on Alex Burnett. I still believe he'll be an 8th inning guy in baseball. I just completely believe in the process through the minor leagues, and he never got that. I really believe that the best thing for him and his career is to start the season and get 2-3 months in AAA. I think the same thing about Lester Oliveros.

John Bonnes
03-09-2012, 01:48 PM
Maloney and Gray are essentially in the same boat as Doyle - they need to make the team or the Twins may lose them. With Maloney being left-handed, I think that's enough to put him on the roster.

Rosterman
03-09-2012, 01:53 PM
I would like to see a catcher with morpossible punch than Butera, especially if he has options. I would also like to see a bigger bat than Tishi...who should play everyday and is first call if you need a 2B/SS due to injury. It will be interesting to see how Morneau ends up, and if Parmalee or Burroughs would be a ncie bat to have off the bench. The Twins do have one open spot on the 40-man. The bullpen is a crapshoot. Doyle will probably stay because he can long-relief and mop-up in the least...let Manship and such start at Rochester (waiting to see the 10-15 pitchers that will be cut and when so they can maybe get other jobs).

mike wants wins
03-09-2012, 01:56 PM
I agree with Thrylos (which seems to be happening more and more lately). John, why worry about losing Maloney and Gray? These aren't young guys with super, duper upsides. The best relievers should come North.

Seth Stohs
03-09-2012, 02:16 PM
I agree with Thrylos (which seems to be happening more and more lately). John, why worry about losing Maloney and Gray? These aren't young guys with super, duper upsides. The best relievers should come North.

and if those two are amongthe best relievers? They have a 40 man spot, and I'd say that there are some 40 man guys (like these two) who could be expendible if needed. No need to rush Gutierrez,Burnett,Oliveros,etc if they have things they can work on when you've got guys like this who can be removed from the 40 any time.

Clare Chen
03-09-2012, 02:21 PM
Ossie - Butera has two options remaining. He hasn't been optioned since 2009.

Steve - Absolutely NOT giving up on Alex Burnett. I still believe he'll be an 8th inning guy in baseball. I just completely believe in the process through the minor leagues, and he never got that. I really believe that the best thing for him and his career is to start the season and get 2-3 months in AAA. I think the same thing about Lester Oliveros.

Do you know why the Twins promoted Burnett to the major league team in each of the last two years despite the fact that he's barely pitched more than 50 innings in AA? I mean, his stats were great there, but he's only had about 20 innings at AAA, too. Or would they have put him there if one of Crain or Guerrier had been retained?

Thrylos
03-09-2012, 02:25 PM
Do you know why the Twins promoted Burnett to the major league team in each of the last two years despite the fact that he's barely pitched more than 50 innings in AA? I mean, his stats were great there, but he's only had about 20 innings at AAA, too. Or would they have put him there if one of Crain or Guerrier had been retained?

Actually Burnett was slated to pitch the whole last season at AAA. Manship went North with the club after ST. After Manship got hurt, a week into the season, Burnett got called up and stayed because of all the other injuries.

Seth Stohs
03-09-2012, 02:35 PM
Do you know why the Twins promoted Burnett to the major league team in each of the last two years despite the fact that he's barely pitched more than 50 innings in AA? I mean, his stats were great there, but he's only had about 20 innings at AAA, too. Or would they have put him there if one of Crain or Guerrier had been retained?

Clay Condrey had to go on the DL at the last minute two years ago so Burnett went to Anaheim to start the season with the Twins. He was going to be sent down about a week later but someone else got hurt. He actually pitched alright the first half of that year, but has struggled since.

Clare Chen
03-09-2012, 02:35 PM
Ah, that makes sense. I was thinking of other relievers' injuries as a possibility too. Thanks for the replies, this answers a lot.

bkucko
03-09-2012, 03:59 PM
I wonder if Marquis will be a failed experiment as Ramon Ortiz and Sean Bergman were. Picked him up relatively cheap, give him a shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not on the team in July. Unfortunately, not a lot of options in the high minors, however if Hendriks does well in AAA and Doyle shoes some flashes in the pen as a long reliever, one of them could supplant Marquis in the rotation without much loss. Don't think there's much value in Marquis, so it would be just a loss, I would rather see Hendriks get the experience than give it to Marquis, especially if this team is going nowhere in 2012.

destes
03-09-2012, 07:30 PM
i am betting that Doyle will be an inning eater and keep the team in the hunt almost every time he hits the mound

Seth Stohs
03-09-2012, 08:06 PM
I'm much more worried about Blackburn than about Marquis, and you're right, at that time, Doyle and/or Hendriks could be ready.

Fanatic Jack
03-09-2012, 09:32 PM
Alex Burnett is a straight up BUM...What in the world would make anyone think he will be good...Why because he is 23 and pitched well at AA. Slama has much more promise than him and is not even on the 40-man roster. Burnett has 3 pitches with no movement and that just does not cut it in the pros. The Twins traded for a Burnett clone in Lester Oliveros and he is terrible too. Straight ball right down the middle of the plate. For all those people who have crowned Maloney and Doyle (2 more bums), who exactly have they pitched against. Waldrop and Gutierrez have a chance to good but will never get a chance.

mike wants wins
03-10-2012, 10:05 AM
and if those two are amongthe best relievers? They have a 40 man spot, and I'd say that there are some 40 man guys (like these two) who could be expendible if needed. No need to rush Gutierrez,Burnett,Oliveros,etc if they have things they can work on when you've got guys like this who can be removed from the 40 any time.

If they are the best, then they come North, but that wasn't what John's post was about. It was about fear of losing them.

jlovren
03-10-2012, 10:26 AM
Where's Gibson in his rehab? is he going to be of any use this year?

Seth Stohs
03-10-2012, 10:38 AM
Where's Gibson in his rehab? is he going to be of any use this year?

He's doing really well. Supposedly he's scheduled for his first bullpen in early June. Terry Ryan was optimistic and said he would pitch this year... Doesn't mean with the Twins, but if he can even make a couple of starts in Ft. Myers, that would be great!

jlovren
03-10-2012, 12:18 PM
Hopefully they take it easy on him this year and get him ready to start next year in Minneapolis. There is nothing worse than rushing a guy back from Tommy John and killing his confidence because he wasn't ready.

Neinstein
03-10-2012, 01:16 PM
I'd like to see Doyle and Manship on the Roster. I have a feeling Hendriks will see time in Rochester first, waiting until someone fails to provide.