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Jim Crikket
10-24-2012, 02:40 PM
Twins outright Manship, Perdomo, Vasquez, Waldrop, Walters and Carson. Capps option not picked up. Carlos Gutierrez claimed off waivers by Cubs.

Looks like TR waited until he saw Seth's write-up in the Off Season Handbook on 40-man roster decisions before making their cuts!

Jim Crikket
10-24-2012, 02:42 PM
yes... that would be 40 man (not 49 man) roster cuts. REALLY wish there was a way to edit the headings! (Or I could just be more careful about my typing, but we know that won't happen.)

ScottyB
10-24-2012, 03:12 PM
Pavano and Baker are activated from 60-day DL, so at this moment, there are 6 open spots on the 40-man.

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:13 PM
Waiving Carson again gets the question asked.....WHY was he recalled from ROC in Sept instead of Arcia/Hicks??
Complete wasted Sept with the recalls

ScottyB
10-24-2012, 03:14 PM
Waiving Carson again gets the question asked.....WHY was he recalled from ROC in Sept instead of Arcia/Hicks??
Complete wasted Sept with the recalls

So the major league clock wouldn't start on their careers

John Bonnes
10-24-2012, 03:22 PM
Waiving Carson again gets the question asked.....WHY was he recalled from ROC in Sept instead of Arcia/Hicks??
Complete wasted Sept with the recalls

I think the answer is "because they didn't think they would be able to give them playing time." That didn't turn out to be true, because Parmelee suffered that groin injury and then had to leave the team for a little while.

It might have been fun to call up Arcia and Hicks, but I'd have trouble calling it a waste. Unless one of them walked on water and waived his hand to bring back the trees, it wasn't going to change the offseason plans. Neither was going to be slated to be a starting OFer next year. In fact, from the interview with Terry Ryan, it sounds a little like Arcia isn't a lock to start the season in Rochester.

mike wants wins
10-24-2012, 03:29 PM
Mind boggling on Arcia not in Rochester next year. There would be an exhibit for slowly moving prospects....

johnnydakota
10-24-2012, 03:30 PM
with the rumors or ham and span heading on down the road , i question releasing carson.
if both are traded our outfield will consist of revere mastroanni and parmelee,which if we go into a full blown rebuilding stage im fine with,
but carson would make a decent 4th outfielder with some pop and a decent avg

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:33 PM
Waiving Carson again gets the question asked.....WHY was he recalled from ROC in Sept instead of Arcia/Hicks??
Complete wasted Sept with the recalls

I think the answer is "because they didn't think they would be able to give them playing time." That didn't turn out to be true, because Parmelee suffered that groin injury and then had to leave the team for a little while.

It might have been fun to call up Arcia and Hicks, but I'd have trouble calling it a waste. Unless one of them walked on water and waived his hand to bring back the trees, it wasn't going to change the offseason plans. Neither was going to be slated to be a starting OFer next year. In fact, from the interview with Terry Ryan, it sounds a little like Arcia isn't a lock to start the season in Rochester.
My take on it IS....not the players 'clock' per se as 30 days in Sept wouldnt change anything good or bad. Still need 2yrs 139days for arbitration 'Super 2' & 6 yrs for FAgency.
They didnt want the duo to come up & have a Parmelee type Sept & screw up their plans for this year (keeping em in AAA for first few months). MN screwed up w/Chris by not starting him in AAA (more Morneau's fault really) & Ryan wants to go at his slow tortoise like pace.

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:35 PM
Now standing at 34 players....I do find it interesting that Deolis Guerra made the first cuts. Guerra has no shot no make the club out of STraining, so why waste time/roster spot on him.

Ex-Iowegian
10-24-2012, 03:35 PM
I wonder sometimes if they don't audition some of these guys in September with high hopes for increasing their stock as trade bait.

ThePuck
10-24-2012, 03:36 PM
Twins outright Manship, Perdomo, Vasquez, Waldrop, Walters and Carson. Capps option not picked up. Carlos Gutierrez claimed off waivers by Cubs.

Looks like TR waited until he saw Seth's write-up in the Off Season Handbook on 40-man roster decisions before making their cuts!

Any word on Slama yet?

Jim Crikket
10-24-2012, 03:40 PM
I don't think Slama's on the 40-man roster, is he? If not, there's no point in adding him at least until the end of November.

ThePuck
10-24-2012, 03:41 PM
I don't think Slama's on the 40-man roster, is he? If not, there's no point in adding him at least until the end of November.

No, he wasn't...I was wondering if he was added though after the cuts were made.

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:43 PM
Will they sign any of these 6 released players back to a AAA deal???
Dont think so....Waldrop maybe, but there are just too many soft throwers as is, tho I LOVE his groundball rate. He is better off goin to a better defensive organization.

Jim Crikket
10-24-2012, 03:46 PM
I wouldn't expect him to be, yet anyway. Ryan wants as much roster flexibility as he can get for the next month, leading up to the end of November when he has to decide who gets protected and who doesn't. There's some question of whether Slama would be lost to another organization if he's not added. Of course, given the luke warm feelings of the FO toward him, you have to wonder if they'd really care if they did lose him.

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Once Pavano hits FA/Casilla is nontendered, there will be 32 on the roster. Other than Guerra, the rest should be relatively safe.
Who are the 3/4 to be put on the roster??
Gibson/Hicks are locks. Michael Tonkin looks pretty safe also, esp with a good AFL. I think they will roll the dice on BJ Hermsen & leave him unprotected. Josmil Pinto has already agreed to minor league deal.
Anyone else??

ThePuck
10-24-2012, 03:53 PM
I think multiple organizations would be interested in him if he wasn't protected...his stats are too hard to ignore.

Winston Smith
10-24-2012, 04:04 PM
I'll miss them all! When do Pavano and Baker fall off after the WS?

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 04:06 PM
I'll miss them all! When do Pavano and Baker fall off after the WS?
5 days after the World Series....offers to arbitration players (Casilla etc), Im still not positive on

Dilligaf69
10-24-2012, 04:17 PM
with the rumors or ham and span heading on down the road , i question releasing carson.
if both are traded our outfield will consist of revere mastroanni and parmelee,which if we go into a full blown rebuilding stage im fine with,
but carson would make a decent 4th outfielder with some pop and a decent avg

Well for one they did'nt lose Carson so they can still re-sign hin to a AAA contract and add him at a later time or recall him next season if they need a 4th OF. Plus Willingham is VERY unlikely to be traded so....

Mr. Ed
10-24-2012, 04:21 PM
I'll miss them all! When do Pavano and Baker fall off after the WS?
5 days after the World Series....offers to arbitration players (Casilla etc), Im still not positive on

Check this info out, may help

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/offseason-calendar.html

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 05:50 PM
with the rumors or ham and span heading on down the road , i question releasing carson.
if both are traded our outfield will consist of revere mastroanni and parmelee,which if we go into a full blown rebuilding stage im fine with,
but carson would make a decent 4th outfielder with some pop and a decent avg

Well for one they did'nt lose Carson so they can still re-sign hin to a AAA contract and add him at a later time or recall him next season if they need a 4th OF. Plus Willingham is VERY unlikely to be traded so....
all of these guys were technically sent to ROC but 5 days after WS, all 6 become 6yr minor league FAs....essentially meaning they released em all. Yes they can resign any of em to minor league deals if they want tho.
Arbitration (offerred/accepted-decline) must be agreed upon 12 days after the WS also