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SpiritofVodkaDave
10-24-2012, 02:40 PM
meh..

Musk21
10-24-2012, 02:40 PM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/10/cubs-claim-carlos-gutierrez-off-waivers-from-twins.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

ThePuck
10-24-2012, 02:44 PM
another worthless first rounder...

PseudoSABR
10-24-2012, 02:44 PM
Disappointing, to say the least.

johnnydakota
10-24-2012, 02:48 PM
matt capps option was declined as well
yeah finally go capps

nicksaviking
10-24-2012, 03:04 PM
Anyone know what caused the Twins to waive him now? I'm just trying to understand the timing.

johnnydakota
10-24-2012, 03:07 PM
Anyone know what caused the Twins to waive him now? I'm just trying to understand the timing.
hopefuly to clear space on the 40 man roster

IdahoPilgrim
10-24-2012, 03:08 PM
They removed a bunch of pitchers from the 40-man: Perdomo, Walters, Waldrop, Vasquez, Manship. Also, Matt Carson.

mike wants wins
10-24-2012, 03:09 PM
Nice first round pick.....he was a college reliever, right?

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:11 PM
Once he gets healthy & a shot, I think he'll be a legit reliever for CHI.....probably next yr. Clears out the 2 first rounder misses from Billy Smith as well as Capps. Need to get rid of Blackburn & the majority of Bill Smith disasters will be gone

mike wants wins
10-24-2012, 03:20 PM
The GM does not make the picks in the baseball draft......especially not for the Twins. I believe the man that made those picks is still in charge of the draft.

John Bonnes
10-24-2012, 03:25 PM
Was he out of options next year? I'm a a little surprised by this, too.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Was he out of options next year? I'm a a little surprised by this, too.

I believe so, this would have been his 6th year and he hasn't really done anything in his time in the minors anwyays.

John Bonnes
10-24-2012, 03:27 PM
Just realized this thread is also going in the Minor League forum. I'm going to move it over there and then merge it with the other one.

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 03:27 PM
The GM does not make the picks in the baseball draft......especially not for the Twins. I believe the man that made those picks is still in charge of the draft.
I understand.....but the stink from Billy Smith's era is still 'on' it. Just looking to rid us of all that was that era.

Carlos only used one option year last season. He has 2 seasons left as a 95mph thrower.....which I guess we have too much of.

Boom Boom
10-24-2012, 03:30 PM
Once he gets healthy & a shot, I think he'll be a legit reliever for CHI.....probably next yr. Clears out the 2 first rounder misses from Billy Smith as well as Capps. Need to get rid of Blackburn & the majority of Bill Smith disasters will be gone

Criticize Bill Smith all you want, TR had a lot of stinker 1st round picks too.

Remember BJ Garbe, Adam Johnson, Matt Moses, Matthew Fox, Jay Rainville, and Hank Sanchez? Me neither.

Mr. Ed
10-24-2012, 03:37 PM
Wasted time trying to make him a starter.

History is repeating itself in the minors with Summers/Boer,and am sure they'll waste time with a couple of hard throwers drafted this year,too.

mike wants wins
10-24-2012, 03:46 PM
I agree with Mr ed....and they repeated it in the last draft.....

Mr. Ed
10-24-2012, 03:55 PM
Use the bullpen of flame throwers to shut down games. Look at what that did for the Red this year, with a group of decent starters.

Advance the College bullpen guys sooner than later.

greengoblinrulz
10-24-2012, 04:23 PM
with 7-8 spots open on 40 man.....its still surprising that they essentially waived him. They tried to send him to ROC but didnt think he'd be claimed. Wonder if they thought there was a chance he'd be claimed if they woulda outrighted him when they didnt need to.

Mr. Ed
10-24-2012, 04:33 PM
I get a kick out of them still trying to get something out of the Johan trade. Day-oh-leese lost all his velocity moons ago, and they're still hoping something good happens.

joeboo_22
10-24-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm guessing this means his shoulder injury is pretty bad? I don't really care much, just surprises me with the amount of pitching they keep around that they couldn't keep him around. If healthy he is something (hard throwing) that the Twins don't have.

righty8383
10-24-2012, 10:20 PM
I hope this isn't a move that comes back to bite us. I mean it probably won't but Gutierrez has some pretty good stuff from what I've heard and he just hasn't been able to put it all together. Injuries haven't helped either.

Rosterman
10-24-2012, 10:24 PM
I think they took the chance that no one would claim him. Te Cubs have to 40-man him, and then run him thru if they want the roster spot. He's out thru half of next season, I think.

Shane Wahl
10-25-2012, 01:25 AM
Gutierrez would be better in the bullpen than Anthony Swarzak, I guarantee you. It would have been better to keep Gutierrez, pitch him, and trade him than this. The only thing that Swarzak would bring in a trade is Bigfoot.

Seth Stohs
10-25-2012, 01:51 AM
My assumption is that they thought that they could sneak him through waivers and be able to send him back to Rochester. Maybe the thought was that since he was coming off of shoulder surgery, teams would pass on him thinking maybe the Twins know it's something more.

I don't mind the pick, and I think having him start was the right thing. Right now, he's 25 years old with one pitch. Yes, it's a 95 mph fastball, but that's it. He could be a back of the bullpen guy with that, maybe, if he had better control. The goal of having him start was to develop a 2nd or 3rd pitch. If he could have developed a 2nd pitch over the course of four minor league seasons, then suddenly he could be a very solid late-inning reliever. If he could have developed a 3rd pitch, he could have been a solid big league starter.

It didn't work out because he was unable to come up with a 2nd pitch.

From the Cubs perspective, they're claiming all kinds of players with some upside. Gutierrez can throw hard and despite already being older, he does still have two options left. They can be patient with him.

jokin
10-25-2012, 02:01 AM
My assumption is that they thought that they could sneak him through waivers and be able to send him back to Rochester. Maybe the thought was that since he was coming off of shoulder surgery, teams would pass on him thinking maybe the Twins know it's something more.

I don't mind the pick, and I think having him start was the right thing. Right now, he's 25 years old with one pitch. Yes, it's a 95 mph fastball, but that's it. He could be a back of the bullpen guy with that, maybe, if he had better control. The goal of having him start was to develop a 2nd or 3rd pitch. If he could have developed a 2nd pitch over the course of four minor league seasons, then suddenly he could be a very solid late-inning reliever. If he could have developed a 3rd pitch, he could have been a solid big league starter.

It didn't work out because he was unable to come up with a 2nd pitch.

From the Cubs perspective, they're claiming all kinds of players with some upside. Gutierrez can throw hard and despite already being older, he does still have two options left. They can be patient with him.

This is what the Twins should have been doing much more of in their advantageous last-place position the last two seasons and the off-season. Missed out on a lot of upside prospects- and multiple flippable guys to use to acquire even more upside prospects, for which obviously the Twins have a desperate need to raise the volume dearth currently coming through the system.

Seth Stohs
10-25-2012, 07:12 AM
This is what the Twins should have been doing much more of in their advantageous last-place position the last two seasons and the off-season. Missed out on a lot of upside prospects- and multiple flippable guys to use to acquire even more upside prospects, for which obviously the Twins have a desperate need to raise the volume dearth currently coming through the system.[/QUOTE]

Please remimd me which upside prospects the Twins missed out on?

ALessKosherScott
10-25-2012, 09:12 AM
Looks like another first round pick that won't work out for the Twins.

Celebrity Weddings!
10-25-2012, 11:35 AM
Looks like another first round pick that won't work out for the Twins.

I have mixed feelings about what you've done here. It's definitely funny, but if this joke becomes a bummer then I'm going to go all frown-facey and change my name to Celebrity Divorces!