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glennhl
10-22-2012, 05:15 PM
I have always thought that Jeff Manship has great potential. He made some excellent starts back in late 2009. But then something happened. The Twins decided he was going to be their new Matt Guerrier. For some reason Jeff never took to being a reliever. Might have something to do with not being able to warm up properly, or maybe it's mental that he wants to know when he pitches, or maybe he needs to pitch 5 plus innings every 5 days to stay proficient. Whatever it is, Jeff seems to have very good numbers as a starter, not so much as a reliever.

I'd be interested to see what his AAA numbers were in 2012 as a reliever versus as a starter. I'd also like to see his numbers as a starter versus a reliever with the Twins even though he hasn't made very many starts in the Bigs. However, I'm betting that his starter numbers are very good, especially in AAA. I was really looking forward to him making some starts in September this year, but he did not get the call-up. I think the Twins have really missed an opportunity to develop Jeff as a very good starting pitcher at the major league level. However, his relief numbers are so bad they most likely have lost faith in him. But truthfully, he has NEVER gotten a fighting chance to prove himself as a starter at the big league level and I think that is a crying shame.

USAFChief
10-22-2012, 05:47 PM
I'd be interested to see what his AAA numbers were in 2012 as a reliever versus as a starter. I'd also like to see his numbers as a starter versus a reliever with the Twins even though he hasn't made very many starts in the Bigs.

Here's a thought...why don't you look them up?

glennhl
10-22-2012, 05:57 PM
I'd be interested to see what his AAA numbers were in 2012 as a reliever versus as a starter. I'd also like to see his numbers as a starter versus a reliever with the Twins even though he hasn't made very many starts in the Bigs.

Here's a thought...why don't you look them up?

I looked on the Rochester website and they don't break out starter versus reliever stats. Do you know of a site that does?

P.S. I noticed your location, I graduated from U of A in 1975. Great school! And Tucson is 100 times better than Phoenix (where I live).

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 06:20 PM
I'd be interested to see what his AAA numbers were in 2012 as a reliever versus as a starter. I'd also like to see his numbers as a starter versus a reliever with the Twins even though he hasn't made very many starts in the Bigs.

Here's a thought...why don't you look them up?

I looked on the Rochester website and they don't break out starter versus reliever stats. Do you know of a site that does?

P.S. I noticed your location, I graduated from U of A in 1975. Great school! And Tucson is 100 times better than Phoenix (where I live).

Don't mind USAChief, he is just goting through menopause these days ;)

As far Manship not getting a chance to start for the Twins, I would have to think if the Twins even thought he had a slight chance to stick as a major league starter they would have given him a shot...i mean look at some of the guys we ran out on the mound this year :banghead:

Thrylos
10-22-2012, 06:43 PM
As far Manship not getting a chance to start for the Twins, I would have to think if the Twins even thought he had a slight chance to stick as a major league starter they would have given him a shot...i mean look at some of the guys we ran out on the mound this year :banghead:

That. Manship was with the big league team several times. He got a chance to prove himself and he never did. Compare that with Slama, for example and compare their numbers in the minors and figure out why Manship even got all those chances over Slama...

Complaining that Manship did not get a chance as a starter is like complaining that Matt Tolbert did not get a chance as a first baseman (similar performance level btw; and actually Tolbert was more productive than Manship in the majors)

glennhl
10-22-2012, 06:46 PM
As far Manship not getting a chance to start for the Twins, I would have to think if the Twins even thought he had a slight chance to stick as a major league starter they would have given him a shot...i mean look at some of the guys we ran out on the mound this year :banghead:

That. Manship was with the big league team several times. He got a chance to prove himself and he never did. Compare that with Slama, for example and compare their numbers in the minors and figure out why Manship even got all those chances over Slama...

Complaining that Manship did not get a chance as a starter is like complaining that Matt Tolbert did not get a chance as a first baseman (similar performance level btw; and actually Tolbert was more productive than Manship in the majors)

I think it comes down to that starters and relievers are different animals. Some pitchers can do both, some can't. Just would like to have seen more of Manship as a starter. I'm betting some other team figures this out and he ends up starting somewhere. Of course, I could be wrong!

Thrylos
10-22-2012, 06:51 PM
As far Manship not getting a chance to start for the Twins, I would have to think if the Twins even thought he had a slight chance to stick as a major league starter they would have given him a shot...i mean look at some of the guys we ran out on the mound this year :banghead:

That. Manship was with the big league team several times. He got a chance to prove himself and he never did. Compare that with Slama, for example and compare their numbers in the minors and figure out why Manship even got all those chances over Slama...

Complaining that Manship did not get a chance as a starter is like complaining that Matt Tolbert did not get a chance as a first baseman (similar performance level btw; and actually Tolbert was more productive than Manship in the majors)

I think it comes down to that starters and relievers are different animals. Some pitchers can do both, some can't. Just would like to have seen more of Manship as a starter. I'm betting some other team figures this out and he ends up starting somewhere. Of course, I could be wrong!

You can make that argument about Slowey, Swarzak, Duensing, Robertson, Burnett, RA Dickey and a lot of others who have been starters and the Twins turned into relievers with mixed results

USAFChief
10-22-2012, 07:01 PM
I looked on the Rochester website and they don't break out starter versus reliever stats. Do you know of a site that does?

P.S. I noticed your location, I graduated from U of A in 1975. Great school! And Tucson is 100 times better than Phoenix (where I live).

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453249

Yeah, I much prefer Tucson to Phoenix.

USAFChief
10-22-2012, 07:03 PM
Don't mind USAChief, he is just goting through menopause these days ;)



Dave, it's USAFChief, not USA. Yew Ess Aee Eff.

Please do not put me in the Army.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 07:06 PM
I'm betting some other team figures this out and he ends up starting somewhere. Of course, I could be wrong!

I'd bet against this ;)

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 07:06 PM
Don't mind USAChief, he is just goting through menopause these days ;)



Dave, it's USAFChief, not USA. Yew Ess Aee Eff.

Please do not put me in the Army.

My bad. Not sure why I forgot the F

greengoblinrulz
10-22-2012, 09:01 PM
Manship is thru with this organization as he's out of options.....dont know if he'll even survive making the initial 2013 40 man roster

twinsnorth49
10-22-2012, 09:04 PM
Manship is thru with this organization as he's out of options.....dont know if he'll even survive making the initial 2013 40 man roster

Can only hope that's the case.......next.

glennhl
10-23-2012, 10:14 AM
I looked on the Rochester website and they don't break out starter versus reliever stats. Do you know of a site that does?

P.S. I noticed your location, I graduated from U of A in 1975. Great school! And Tucson is 100 times better than Phoenix (where I live).

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=453249

Yeah, I much prefer Tucson to Phoenix.

Thank you very much for that website. So Manship's ERA's in AAA this year were 2.45 as a starter and 3.91 as a reliever. I think the 2.45 as a starter shows that he deserved at least a couple of starts in the Bigs, but instead he got zero.

edavis0308
10-23-2012, 11:02 AM
Thank you very much for that website. So Manship's ERA's in AAA this year were 2.45 as a starter and 3.91 as a reliever. I think the 2.45 as a starter shows that he deserved at least a couple of starts in the Bigs, but instead he got zero.

He has actually gotten six, not zero, but let's not let facts stand in the way of this plee for Manship.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/manshje01.shtml

glennhl
10-23-2012, 03:09 PM
Thank you very much for that website. So Manship's ERA's in AAA this year were 2.45 as a starter and 3.91 as a reliever. I think the 2.45 as a starter shows that he deserved at least a couple of starts in the Bigs, but instead he got zero.

He has actually gotten six, not zero, but let's not let facts stand in the way of this plee for Manship.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/manshje01.shtml

You are correct. I should have qualified my statement, I meant starts this year. He hasn't had a start since 2010.