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Musk21
10-22-2012, 11:11 AM
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Tom_Brunansky_Bobby_Cuellar_Terry_Steinbach_added_ to_Twins_staff102212

Brunansky to hitting coach, Cuellar to bullpen coach and Steinbach named bench coach/catching instructor.

Ullger named 1st base coach and Vavra named 3B coach.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 11:18 AM
http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Tom_Brunansky_Bobby_Cuellar_Terry_Steinbach_added_ to_Twins_staff102212

Brunansky to hitting coach, Cuellar to bullpen coach and Steinbach named bench coach/catching instructor.

Ullger named 1st base coach and Vavra named 3B coach.

I REALLY like it, Vavra IMO didn't do a bad job, so having him still on the staff (in a lesser role) is still nice. Steinbach is a suprise as well, didn't see that one coming.

Brock Beauchamp
10-22-2012, 11:39 AM
Interesting. I didn't see the Steinbach move coming.

I can't help but feel bad for Vavra. The guy didn't do anything wrong and since he took over, the Twins offense has been quite good most seasons.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 11:49 AM
Interesting. I didn't see the Steinbach move coming.

I can't help but feel bad for Vavra. The guy didn't do anything wrong and since he took over, the Twins offense has been quite good most seasons.
I'm sure he could have found another gig in baseball, I imagine he just wanted to stick with the Twins at this point? I mean, the guy is still going to be pulling in a real nice 200k+ salary and still will be a big part of the day to day coaching staff.

Seth Stohs
10-22-2012, 12:00 PM
I guess we all thought that Gene Glynn was coming up too, probably to take over as 3B coach. I like Steinbach. I like keeping Vavra around just because I think he did his job well. The one I just don't get is keeping Scott Ullger around. Yes, just as the 1B coach, but anyone can do that. And, he was a 1B in his short big league time... why would he deal with the OF (although, they're all fine and don't really need him)?

Curious how the minor league side of things will shape up.

nicksaviking
10-22-2012, 12:08 PM
Didn't even know Steinbach was on the radar. With the success rate of former catchers turning manager, perhaps Gardenhire's fear of Molitor taking his job was not the case as Steinbach would surely loom just as large over Gardy's shoulder. Seems reasonable Steinbach was an impressive interview and was the preferred choice to Glynn and the Twins already knew what they had in Molitor but still liked Steinbach better.

Rosterman
10-22-2012, 12:13 PM
Interesting.

I actually think Ullger should be considering a minor league manager job, preferably with another tam, if he wishes to be on track to manage, which he was...awhile back.

I would've kept Vavra as the Bench coach, the guy who watches the pitchers, gives batters notes, watches video and such.

Steinbach is so far out of the woodwork, I have nothing to say. I know he works in his hometown area with high school hitters. But then, who not Leius, Laudner, Smalley (or Coomer, for example).

Ullger should be gone, period. Vavra lives in Wisconsin (a looong drive, but he does it for home games for some reason).

But why not Molitor still looms large. Do the Twins need a manager-in-training, or will they just go after some other name when the time comes.

Jim Crikket
10-22-2012, 12:18 PM
Didn't even know Steinbach was on the radar. With the success rate of former catchers turning manager, perhaps Gardenhire's fear of Molitor taking his job was not the case as Steinbach would surely loom just as large over Gardy's shoulder. Seems reasonable Steinbach was an impressive interview and was the preferred choice to Glynn and the Twins already knew what they had in Molitor but still liked Steinbach better.

I think the reason Glynn isn't on the staff is the same as Molitor... Ryan didn't want to have a guy looking over Gardy's shoulder that would be viewed by the media, fan base (and perhaps Gardy himself) as the "manager in waiting" in the event the Twins start out poorly again. It would be awkward, at best, and there's really no reason to have that dynamic. Glynn and Molitor will apparently remain in their current roles and if Ryan does eventually want to tab either of them to replace Gardy, they're only a phone call away.

I really like that Bruno and Steinbach both have a history of working with young hitters (Bruno as a coach, Steinbach as a ST instructor) and also have the World Series rings that should give them credibility with veterans, as well.

johnnydakota
10-22-2012, 12:23 PM
time will tell ,my guess is the notebook of failure joe i was drafted by the dodgers vavra will be a worse 3rd base coach then ullger was ..
i dont understand the logic of keeping gardenhire comfortable?if he wants to stay he needs new attitude a new dirrection and new ideas ...
he has to stop playing musical positions and playing his subs on a regular baises, and find a pitching coach that can teach or correct the pitchers and knows when to pull them and when to let them pitch through it.

ThePuck
10-22-2012, 12:24 PM
SO it's okay to have the players looking over their shoulders all the time, but not the manager :-)

John Bonnes
10-22-2012, 12:29 PM
I think the reason Glynn isn't on the staff is the same as Molitor... Ryan didn't want to have a guy looking over Gardy's shoulder that would be viewed by the media, fan base (and perhaps Gardy himself) as the "manager in waiting" in the event the Twins start out poorly again. It would be awkward, at best, and there's really no reason to have that dynamic. Glynn and Molitor will apparently remain in their current roles and if Ryan does eventually want to tab either of them to replace Gardy, they're only a phone call away.


Agree. It also means that if there needs to be a purge, they don't need to worry about having Glynn's hands dirty.

Jim Crikket
10-22-2012, 12:42 PM
I think the reason Glynn isn't on the staff is the same as Molitor... Ryan didn't want to have a guy looking over Gardy's shoulder that would be viewed by the media, fan base (and perhaps Gardy himself) as the "manager in waiting" in the event the Twins start out poorly again. It would be awkward, at best, and there's really no reason to have that dynamic. Glynn and Molitor will apparently remain in their current roles and if Ryan does eventually want to tab either of them to replace Gardy, they're only a phone call away.


Agree. It also means that if there needs to be a purge, they don't need to worry about having Glynn's hands dirty.

True. Though I suspect Brunansky, Steinbach and Cuellar might survive a purge.

As for Gardy, I think it's a stretch to say Ryan is keeping him "comfortable" by not having Glynn or Molitor on staff. Ryan fired half of his coaches and didn't give Gardy an extension as he entered the last year of his contract. If that happened to me, I don't think I'd feel all that comfortable. But by not having Glynn or Molitor on staff, neither Gardenhire nor the players have to deal with the potential of daily media questions about the possibility of one of the coaching staff replacing Gardy every time they lose a game. It's just a dynamic that isn't necessary as long as the potential replacements are still employed somewhere in the organization.

ThePuck
10-22-2012, 12:54 PM
As for Gardy, I think it's a stretch to say Ryan is keeping him "comfortable" by not having Glynn or Molitor on staff. Ryan fired half of his coaches and didn't give Gardy an extension as he entered the last year of his contract. If that happened to me, I don't think I'd feel all that comfortable. But by not having Glynn or Molitor on staff, neither Gardenhire nor the players have to deal with the potential of daily media questions about the possibility of one of the coaching staff replacing Gardy every time they lose a game. It's just a dynamic that isn't necessary as long as the potential replacements are still employed somewhere in the organization.

Some of those fired guys are still on the field as a major part of the coaching staff...

Jim Crikket
10-22-2012, 12:58 PM
As for Gardy, I think it's a stretch to say Ryan is keeping him "comfortable" by not having Glynn or Molitor on staff. Ryan fired half of his coaches and didn't give Gardy an extension as he entered the last year of his contract. If that happened to me, I don't think I'd feel all that comfortable. But by not having Glynn or Molitor on staff, neither Gardenhire nor the players have to deal with the potential of daily media questions about the possibility of one of the coaching staff replacing Gardy every time they lose a game. It's just a dynamic that isn't necessary as long as the potential replacements are still employed somewhere in the organization.

Some of those fired guys are still on the field as a major part of the coaching staff...

I wasn't including Vavra and Ullger among the fired because they weren't. Gardy had 6 coaches, Andy, Vavra, Ullger, White, Stelly and Liddle. As I wrote, half (3) were fired and it certainly wasn't Gardy's doing.

Winston Smith
10-22-2012, 01:07 PM
Doesn't Ullger always take over when Gardy gets tossed? Logic would say if Gardy got the ax Ullger would step in. After all he failed as a hitting coach, 3B coach, bench coach now he's a 1B coach next logical step is managing. Mad skills he can coach anywhere.

Wonder how it will work for Bruno with 2 ex hitting coaches looking over his shoulders?

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 01:22 PM
I look forward to Ullger sending dozens of Twins to 2nd base only to get thrown out by 30+ feet.

Jim Crikket
10-22-2012, 01:24 PM
Typically, it's the bench coach that takes over when the manager gets ejected, so I'd assume that will be Steinbach going forward. If it's still Ullger, something is wrong.

I've watched the way Brunansky handles himself down in Spring Training and players really gravitate to him. He also comes across very secure with himself, so I'd be surprised if he gets too concerned about Ullger and Vavra still being around. Frankly, I think it's a good thing. If, for example, Morneau feels that what Vavra has been working with him on has worked well, it's good that he'll still have that option. No single hitting theory works for every hitter. If it did, teaching hitting would be easy.

iastfan112
10-22-2012, 01:44 PM
I don't understand why I guy who's been found wanting at: Hitting coach, 3B, and Bench coach is still on the staff. Other then that I'm fine with how things shook out.

USAFChief
10-22-2012, 02:48 PM
I look forward to Ullger sending dozens of Twins to 2nd base only to get thrown out by 30+ feet.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Dave, and assume this is snark.

Stretching a single is a decision made by players, not 1st base coaches.

crapforks
10-22-2012, 02:58 PM
I look forward to Ullger sending dozens of Twins to 2nd base only to get thrown out by 30+ feet.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Dave, and assume this is snark.

Stretching a single is a decision made by players, not 1st base coaches.
Can we blame him when the running game falls apart?

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 03:00 PM
[QUOTE=SpiritofVodkaDave;59267]I look forward to Ullger sending dozens of Twins to 2nd base only to get thrown out by 30+ feet.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt here, Dave, and assume this is snark.

Obvious snark, but a first base coach sometimes does help a runner decide if they should go for 2 or stay with a single (depending on the OF's arm, how far back they were playing etc etc)

ScottyB
10-22-2012, 03:08 PM
The big question is - does Plouffe give up #24 to Bruno?

ChiTownTwinsFan
10-22-2012, 03:19 PM
The one I just don't get is keeping Scott Ullger around.



Me either.

Willihammer
10-22-2012, 03:31 PM
I wonder if on balance, the miliseconds spent in order for base coaches to process events on the field, translate into sign language, relay to the baserunner and the baserunner to p rocess, is worth it. The only clear scenario where I see a coach being critical is in the odd sac fly situation, and sometimes for a lefthander who has a good pickoff move.

USAFChief
10-22-2012, 05:40 PM
I wonder if on balance, the miliseconds spent in order for base coaches to process events on the field, translate into sign language, relay to the baserunner and the baserunner to p rocess, is worth it. The only clear scenario where I see a coach being critical is in the odd sac fly situation, and sometimes for a lefthander who has a good pickoff move.

A base coach has little or nothing to do with a sac fly.

The greatest impact a base coach has is on sending a runner around third (or not sending him) when the ball is behind the runner and he can't make that decision for himself. Almost all other base running decisions are made by the base runner himself. Occasionally a runner rounding second base will go on to third, or stop, based on the 3rd base coach's decision, but even then it's usual, and preferable, for the runner to make that decision himself.

BTW, if you're depending on the first base coach to tell you "get back" on a lead at first, you're already dead.

Jim Crikket
10-22-2012, 05:46 PM
Well those base coaches also do have to remind the runner how many outs there are... so there is that. Then the 3B coach has to flash signs to the runners and then the 1B coach has to whisper what the sign meant in to the rookie's ear at 1B. Then they also have to chat up the base umpires. Let's see... what else? Guess that's about it.

USAFChief
10-22-2012, 05:50 PM
Well those base coaches also do have to remind the runner how many outs there are... so there is that. Then the 3B coach has to flash signs to the runners and then the 1B coach has to whisper what the sign meant in to the rookie's ear at 1B. Then they also have to chat up the base umpires. Let's see... what else? Guess that's about it.

Pretty sure the Twins first base coach is also responsible for catching and storing the ball the Twins infield throws around between innings. Morny lobs a couple grounders to each infielder, and then lobs a perfect one hop throw into the dugout, where the first base coach is responsible for catching (on one hop...bad form not to handle it on one hop) it and putting it in a safe spot for use next inning.

GCTF
10-22-2012, 05:57 PM
Well those base coaches also do have to remind the runner how many outs there are... so there is that. Then the 3B coach has to flash signs to the runners and then the 1B coach has to whisper what the sign meant in to the rookie's ear at 1B. Then they also have to chat up the base umpires. Let's see... what else? Guess that's about it.

Pretty sure the Twins first base coach is also responsible for catching and storing the ball the Twins infield throws around between innings. Morny lobs a couple grounders to each infielder, and then lobs a perfect one hop throw into the dugout, where the first base coach is responsible for catching (on one hop...bad form not to handle it on one hop) it and putting it in a safe spot for use next inning.

Now I'm even more uncertain that Ullger is qualified.

Thrylos
10-22-2012, 06:22 PM
I think the reason Glynn isn't on the staff is the same as Molitor... Ryan didn't want to have a guy looking over Gardy's shoulder that would be viewed by the media, fan base (and perhaps Gardy himself) as the "manager in waiting" in the event the Twins start out poorly again. It would be awkward, at best, and there's really no reason to have that dynamic. Glynn and Molitor will apparently remain in their current roles and if Ryan does eventually want to tab either of them to replace Gardy, they're only a phone call away.

I really like that Bruno and Steinbach both have a history of working with young hitters (Bruno as a coach, Steinbach as a ST instructor) and also have the World Series rings that should give them credibility with veterans, as well.

Agreed about why Steinback and not the other 2 are bench coaches.

Steinbach was definitely a surprise since his only coaching job has been at the high school level. This is a pretty big jump...

Food for thought: If/when Gardy gets thrown out again during a game, I suspect that it will be Scotty still managing the team as usual..

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 06:26 PM
I think the reason Glynn isn't on the staff is the same as Molitor... Ryan didn't want to have a guy looking over Gardy's shoulder that would be viewed by the media, fan base (and perhaps Gardy himself) as the "manager in waiting" in the event the Twins start out poorly again. It would be awkward, at best, and there's really no reason to have that dynamic. Glynn and Molitor will apparently remain in their current roles and if Ryan does eventually want to tab either of them to replace Gardy, they're only a phone call away.

I really like that Bruno and Steinbach both have a history of working with young hitters (Bruno as a coach, Steinbach as a ST instructor) and also have the World Series rings that should give them credibility with veterans, as well.

Agreed about why Steinback and not the other 2 are bench coaches.

Steinbach was definitely a surprise since his only coaching job has been at the high school level. This is a pretty big jump...

Food for thought: If/when Gardy gets thrown out again during a game, I suspect that it will be Scotty still managing the team as usual..

With Steinbach as the "catching" coach hopefully that means they are getting rid of Butera.

Thrylos
10-22-2012, 06:54 PM
With Steinbach as the "catching" coach hopefully that means they are getting rid of Butera.

Good luck... Unless they trade him. He is out of options. And might even be super 2 arbitration eligible...

Brandon
10-22-2012, 07:24 PM
If Butera is arbitration eligible I doubt he would even be able to reach 700k for next season. He would probably settle for 500-550k just to be able to keep a major league job. If we need a 3rd Catcher on the roster that will be the more efficient route to go while having Herman develop one more season in the minors and he will be less expensive for an additional year too.

old nurse
10-22-2012, 09:47 PM
Interesting that those yipping about the front office needing young minds with fresh new ideas are not complaining about the 50 and 60 year olds hired as coaches.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 10:44 PM
If Butera is arbitration eligible I doubt he would even be able to reach 700k for next season. He would probably settle for 500-550k just to be able to keep a major league job. If we need a 3rd Catcher on the roster that will be the more efficient route to go while having Herman develop one more season in the minors and he will be less expensive for an additional year too.

Herman is not a guy we need to be worrying about in regards to service time......

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-22-2012, 10:45 PM
Interesting that those yipping about the front office needing young minds with fresh new ideas are not complaining about the 50 and 60 year olds hired as coaches.

Not exactly a whole lot of 30 year old managers in baseball.....

twinsnorth49
10-22-2012, 11:24 PM
Interesting that those yipping about the front office needing young minds with fresh new ideas are not complaining about the 50 and 60 year olds hired as coaches.

Not exactly a whole lot of 30 year old managers in baseball.....

It's an interesting statement though, what do you consider "younger"? MLB has the highest average age of the "big four" leagues but currently has 9 managers under the age of 50 with 2 vacancies. The National league doubles the American by a 6-3 margin among those managers. Matheny is the youngest at 42 and despite the disaster which culminated tonight, has done pretty well. So have Davey Johnson and Jim Leyland on the other hand, the former being the leagues oldest manager and Leyland 2nd (along with Charlie Manuel).

Does age really have anything to do with it?

johnnydakota
10-23-2012, 01:05 AM
Interesting that those yipping about the front office needing young minds with fresh new ideas are not complaining about the 50 and 60 year olds hired as coaches.
were yipping about fresh minds and young ideas...new blood not the good ole boy yes men that has staled the team and org. for a decade or so

old nurse
10-23-2012, 08:36 AM
Interesting that those yipping about the front office needing young minds with fresh new ideas are not complaining about the 50 and 60 year olds hired as coaches.
were yipping about fresh minds and young ideas...new blood not the good ole boy yes men that has staled the team and org. for a decade or so

Bringing in a coach with specific duties of working with the catchers not a fresh idea? I do believe the core of the group brought together by Ryan won quite a few games. It was not maintained by Smith.

beckmt
10-23-2012, 08:59 AM
I think Gardy's job evaluation will be based on how well the club performs with the talent TR is able to assemble. This year was a fail, mainly due to the pitching staff injuries and other issues., so Gardy got this year. I do not believe he will survive again if the Twins assemble a passable pitching staff to be competitive. For hitting coach, I would give a D, since the Twins totally lacked the ability to move a runner from 2nd to 3rd after a no out double, too many punch and judy hitters trying to hit fly balls instead of grounders. This will be an area i would hope to see improvement next year. Varva lost the 'Twins way'.

JB_Iowa
10-23-2012, 09:09 AM
I haven't been yipping about the age although when Cody Christie posted his piece about Molitor the other day, I did mention that I was hoping for a bit more youth when they looked for a new manager (ironically both Gene Glynn and Paul Molitor are older than Gardenhire).

It looks like Steinbach, at 50, is the baby of this group. But of more concern to me than age is that it appears that the Twins continue to look primarily within their own system or to their own "legacy" players without bringing in fresh perspectives. Glynn is really the only newcomer to the organization (at least he has experience outside the Twins system). I guess you could argue that Steinbach is a "newcomer" but he doesn't really bring anything new from the majors outside the Twins. I think that's what is most troublesome to me -- they don't seem to want to hire anyone who might challenge their belief system.

Jim Crikket
10-23-2012, 10:19 AM
I think some may be instinctively being a bit harsh in their evaluation of these changes.Bobby Cuellar has had a couple of tours of duty in the Twins minor league system, but he's also spent a lot of time in other organizations, including duty at the Major League level with the Expos, Rangers and Pirates. People think Brunansky is an "insider" because they remember him playing for the Twins, but from the time he was traded in 1988 until he was hired to coach hitters for the GCL rookie level Twins midway through 2010, he was not part of the organization and from all appearances, he's been a great addition. Steinbach played for (and won a WS ring under) Tony LaRussa with the Athletics long before he even put on a Twins uniform. I think just labeling these three coaches as "more of the same" is being a bit short-sighted and unfair to them.

Glynn was brought in specifically to address the problem of AAA players not being fundamentally sound when they got called up, but he's not the only guy with experience outside the Twins organization.

lecroy24fan
10-23-2012, 10:29 AM
I think it is the right move to keep Glynn at Rochester. I'm not looking at it from the opinion it keeps Gardy from having someone looking over his shoulder, but rather I see it as having someone experienced at AAA who knows how to develop players and has made Rochester into a much better team.