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SpiritofVodkaDave
10-07-2012, 06:35 PM
The Titans aren't a good team by any means, but a 30-7 beat-down against anyone is a good sign, the defense looked incredible, Ponder made like 4 or 5 really awful throws in a row and got 2 INT's against him, perhaps it was a good learning experience as he came back and ended up having a nice game (25-35, 240 yards and 2 TDS) hopefully he learns not to force those balls in the future.

That defense though, wow. I know Tenn was missing their "starting" QB, but Hasselbeck might be just as good as Locker at this point and the D played amazing all around.

Heading to DC next weekend for the Skins/Vikings game. Should be a great test for this team, hopefully are 5-1 by this time next week.

TheLeviathan
10-07-2012, 07:36 PM
Wow.....this defense is for real. Is it the talent or is the new coordinator just really mixing it up well? It's pretty much the same team plus Harrison Smith and Brinkley and Cook - are they making THIS much of a difference?

Willihammer
10-08-2012, 12:46 PM
I think the greatest test they've faced so far is Indianapolis. Ten is lousy, Hasselbeck is a bottom 5 QB so far. We'll see how the D holds up after the by when they have to face A-Rodg and Cutler twice each. No EAgles, Giants, or Falcons on the schedule, that helps too. They are definitely improved but might be playing over the heads a little right now.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-08-2012, 03:10 PM
I think the greatest test they've faced so far is Indianapolis. Ten is lousy, Hasselbeck is a bottom 5 QB so far. We'll see how the D holds up after the by when they have to face A-Rodg and Cutler twice each. No EAgles, Giants, or Falcons on the schedule, that helps too. They are definitely improved but might be playing over the heads a little right now.

Funny, no mention of the 49ers who put up 45 points against a Bills team that just put in 100+ mil into their defense this off-season.
Also no mention of the Lions, who aren't great but have a high powered offense.

Tenn sucks, but its still an amazing feat that they made it past the Vikings 45 zero times until a late drive when the game was already out of hand.

The Vikes D have completely dominated these last 3 games, I'm not sure what more you could ask from them. The D-Line is stout, the LB group has improved and the secondary actually looks like an NFL caliber secondary for the first time in what feels like forever.

Will they struggle potentially against Aaron Rogers? Duh, who doesn't struggle against him. Luckily for us GB's defense is awful as is there o line, so as long as the Vikes Defense puts pressure on him and Ponder and co. limit turnovers there is zero reason why the Vikings can't compete and win at least one game against the Packers.

Willihammer
10-08-2012, 04:27 PM
Yeah but this defense also made Blaine Gabbert look pretty good, at home. And, the Bills gave up ~600 yards to the Pats last week. But you can do the "x beat y who almost lost to z and z lit up x" game all day.

I'll admit I may be experiencing symptoms of AVATAR syndrome.

TheLeviathan
10-08-2012, 10:17 PM
I would say, since teh defensive personnel is almost identical to last year, that it's fair to be cautious. I'm not sure what the difference is right now, so I'm not 100% bought-in either.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-09-2012, 01:00 AM
I would say, since teh defensive personnel is almost identical to last year, that it's fair to be cautious. I'm not sure what the difference is right now, so I'm not 100% bought-in either.
We are Vikings fans, we are always waiting for the 2nd shoe to drop :)

Thor
10-09-2012, 10:34 PM
You can call me "Paul Allen optimistic" but the start shouldn't be that big of a suprise

2 true superstars on offense(Percy and Adrian)
One of the best pass rushers of the last 10 years
Greenway has always been very good, now he looks like he may be the other true superstar on D.

Put 2 guys on each side that are at the top of the heap of players and mix in a couple first round picks that play like veterans, a FA or 2 and let last years 1st rounder play with some protection and confidence and good thins happen. Besides this is the NFL where an average of 6 teams that missed the playoffs the year before make it the next. All of the bad breaks we had last year are paying dividends now. (I thought we should have been a 7-9 team last year) So we are due 4 wins from last year and should be a 9-7 team this year. Make that 11-5 and 2 playoff wins and see what happens in the NFC Championship game!:go:

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-10-2012, 09:04 AM
You can call me "Paul Allen optimistic" but the start shouldn't be that big of a suprise

2 true superstars on offense(Percy and Adrian)
One of the best pass rushers of the last 10 years
Greenway has always been very good, now he looks like he may be the other true superstar on D.

Put 2 guys on each side that are at the top of the heap of players and mix in a couple first round picks that play like veterans, a FA or 2 and let last years 1st rounder play with some protection and confidence and good thins happen. Besides this is the NFL where an average of 6 teams that missed the playoffs the year before make it the next. All of the bad breaks we had last year are paying dividends now. (I thought we should have been a 7-9 team last year) So we are due 4 wins from last year and should be a 9-7 team this year. Make that 11-5 and 2 playoff wins and see what happens in the NFC Championship game!:go:

This is a playoff caliber defense, and you are right they have the studs on offense to keep it going as well. At this point our biggest threat is the injury bug, as good as the starters are we just don't have any depth really anywhere on the roster (other then DL maybe)

If one of Allen, Greenway, Harvin, Peterson, Kahlil or even Ponder gets hurt this team suddenly looks very .500 again.

Thor
10-10-2012, 06:21 PM
This is a playoff caliber defense, and you are right they have the studs on offense to keep it going as well. At this point our biggest threat is the injury bug, as good as the starters are we just don't have any depth really anywhere on the roster (other then DL maybe)

If one of Allen, Greenway, Harvin, Peterson, Kahlil or even Ponder gets hurt this team suddenly looks very .500 again.

If any of them but especially Percy gets hurt getting 4 more wins would be a huge challenge.

Badsmerf
10-12-2012, 11:01 AM
I think the improvement is because of a number of things. Kevin Williams is having a great year again. Brinkely is playing way better than Henderson did, and Erin Henderson has been very good. So the whole LB core has played great so far. The secondary is legit. Cook has been a lock-down guy, Harrison Smith has provided a big-time playmaker and the tackling has been very good by the secondary. I'm more worried about the offense not being able to score points than the defense holding up. I still don't think Ponder is any good. He is smart and protects the ball, but at this points that all. Give him a few receivers and maybe that will help, but this team will have trouble scoring points against good defenses.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-12-2012, 11:38 AM
but this team will have trouble scoring points against good defenses.

Like the 49ers?

As long as this team has Peterson and Harvin on the field they will be able to put up points. It would be nice if one of the other WR/TE's would step up a bit though, Simpson looks like he has promise but is injured apparently?

biggentleben
10-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Two reasons this Vikings team is doing much better: DRASTICALLY improved line play across the entire offensive line, and much better interior line play on defense. Build from the inside out, and it can help. Kalil was a great pick, Sullivan has taken his lumps, but he's moving quickly to an All Pro level at center, and the rest of the line is quite solid. Kevin Williams' play has been great, but it's been Guion, Ballard, Evans, and Griffen (in pass rush situations) who have made a huge difference to make the defense look that much better.

TheLeviathan
10-12-2012, 04:00 PM
Like the 49ers?

As long as this team has Peterson and Harvin on the field they will be able to put up points. It would be nice if one of the other WR/TE's would step up a bit though, Simpson looks like he has promise but is injured apparently?

Is there some reason you just don't post various synonyms of "jerking off"? Because the last few weeks you would make Paul Allen blush with your homerism.

This offense has looked bad more often than it has looked good. There are plenty of reasons not to be in love with this team and it isn't just about the other WRs and TEs. Great QBs can drastically raise the level of the skill players around them. The Vikings have plenty of weapons to be at least an average offense. At some point you do have to pin it on the guy distributing. It would be a lot easier to be positive about what Ponder has done well if you weren't so damn eager to ignore all the things he wasn't doing well.

And great point Ben, I've noticed the same thing. The front seven on defense are playing some intense, ferocious football and the guys up front are giving the QB a lot of time and the RBs some huge holes. Winning the line of scrimmage does wonders for a team's ability to win games.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-12-2012, 05:56 PM
Like the 49ers?

As long as this team has Peterson and Harvin on the field they will be able to put up points. It would be nice if one of the other WR/TE's would step up a bit though, Simpson looks like he has promise but is injured apparently?

Is there some reason you just don't post various synonyms of "jerking off"? Because the last few weeks you would make Paul Allen blush with your homerism.

This offense has looked bad more often than it has looked good. There are plenty of reasons not to be in love with this team and it isn't just about the other WRs and TEs. Great QBs can drastically raise the level of the skill players around them. The Vikings have plenty of weapons to be at least an average offense. At some point you do have to pin it on the guy distributing. It would be a lot easier to be positive about what Ponder has done well if you weren't so damn eager to ignore all the things he wasn't doing well.

And great point Ben, I've noticed the same thing. The front seven on defense are playing some intense, ferocious football and the guys up front are giving the QB a lot of time and the RBs some huge holes. Winning the line of scrimmage does wonders for a team's ability to win games.

See you keep claiming that Ponder isn't doing a good job, but yet he has a 95.5 QB Rating. He must be doing ok, no? Could it be better? Yes. Do I think he will continue to improve? Yes.

The team started out a little sluggish this year but even you have to admit the last three weeks have been nothing short of impressive.

TheLeviathan
10-12-2012, 08:49 PM
See you keep claiming that Ponder isn't doing a good job, but yet he has a 95.5 QB Rating. He must be doing ok, no? Could it be better? Yes. Do I think he will continue to improve? Yes.

The team started out a little sluggish this year but even you have to admit the last three weeks have been nothing short of impressive.

He's not the reason we're winning games. And the offense has been inept for long stretches this season, so in part we're winning inspite of the offense. His QB rating is driven by completion percentage and low turnovers - which are good things - but we need more from him if we're a serious contender.

The last three weeks the offensive line, special teams, and defense have impressed me. The offense laid an egg against a bad Detroit defense and were pretty meh against a sub-par Titans team. I was impressed in the Niners game though.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-12-2012, 09:27 PM
See you keep claiming that Ponder isn't doing a good job, but yet he has a 95.5 QB Rating. He must be doing ok, no? Could it be better? Yes. Do I think he will continue to improve? Yes.

The team started out a little sluggish this year but even you have to admit the last three weeks have been nothing short of impressive.

He's not the reason we're winning games. And the offense has been inept for long stretches this season, so in part we're winning inspite of the offense. His QB rating is driven by completion percentage and low turnovers - which are good things - but we need more from him if we're a serious contender.

The last three weeks the offensive line, special teams, and defense have impressed me. The offense laid an egg against a bad Detroit defense and were pretty meh against a sub-par Titans team. I was impressed in the Niners game though.

The "high completion% and low turnovers" comment was the EXACT same thing said about Smith last season, and he took them to the brink of the super bowl.

I agree that he needs to still improve, but it would be nice if he had more than Harvin to throw to. Look how awesome Smith has been this year with a couple more competent WR's at his disposal.

Also the offense looked fine against Tennessee, they put up 30 points with an injured Adrian Peterson!

TheLeviathan
10-13-2012, 06:51 AM
The "high completion% and low turnovers" comment was the EXACT same thing said about Smith last season, and he took them to the brink of the super bowl.

Again, in this NFL, that kind of QB will not get it done. Not even with a ridiculously good defense like SF had last year.


I agree that he needs to still improve, but it would be nice if he had more than Harvin to throw to. Look how awesome Smith has been this year with a couple more competent WR's at his disposal.

His two leading receivers were on this team last year. So I'm not seeing your point. Crabtree and Davis are getting the same attention they did last year, all that's changed is Smith is playing better. People have to understand this - in this league QBs make skill players better, rarely the other way around.


Also the offense looked fine against Tennessee, they put up 30 points with an injured Adrian Peterson!

Fine yes. Impressive? No.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-13-2012, 09:55 AM
The 49ers added Manningham and Moss, while neither is a pro bowl caliber WR they are both pretty damn legit and open the field up quite a bit (leaving Davis and Crabtree to see more single man coverages) Hell Manningham or Moss would be the 2nd best WR on the Vikes roster currently. (I like Simpson, but he is injured and sounds like it will be nagging the rest of the year) This is why I think Smith has been able to take that jump from solid to very good/great this season. Or maybe its just taken him 6 years to progress, who knows.

The problem with the Vikes is after Harvin they don't have any legit WR's just a bunch of guys who should be #4's or so. Jenkins is awful and Aroshmandu isn't bad as a 4. I like what Rudolph has done but he's more around league average then great.

I wish we could find someone who grows tired of a WR and flip them for Toby Gerhart at some point this season.

TheLeviathan
10-13-2012, 06:04 PM
I don't disagree that we could upgrade our WR depth, I disagree that is it crippling our offense. The QB can do a lot at the line and during a play to work people open and to throw people open. (Odd term, but it's one thing Rodgers is particularly good at)

Manningham and Moss are not drawing double teams. It's absurd to think teams are saying "I'll let Crabtree and Davis beat me....but not an ancient Randy Moss!" Again, Smith is playing better and is utilizing his skill players better. Which is what Ponder needs to do.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-14-2012, 09:11 AM
I don't disagree that we could upgrade our WR depth, I disagree that is it crippling our offense. The QB can do a lot at the line and during a play to work people open and to throw people open. (Odd term, but it's one thing Rodgers is particularly good at)

Manningham and Moss are not drawing double teams. It's absurd to think teams are saying "I'll let Crabtree and Davis beat me....but not an ancient Randy Moss!" Again, Smith is playing better and is utilizing his skill players better. Which is what Ponder needs to do.

Honestly I don't think anything is crippling our offense, the offense the past 3 games has looked pretty good. Obviously in Detroit they didn't put up gaudy numbers, but that is because they were playing with a lead and trying to run the clock out. I think they only had him throw the ball like 8-10 times in the 2nd half alone. I do agree he could have played better that game as it was definitely his worst.

I mean at the end of the day he is getting it done, 69% Comp percentage, 95.5 Passer Rating, 7 total TDS vs 2 turnovers 70.64 QBR Rating. Has he made mistakes? Of course. Has he looked "sexy" out there all the time? Nope. But in this case IMO the numbers don't lie, he is getting the job done and the Vikes are 4-1 exceeding all of our expectations. I do think he needs to continue to improve though, but I am pleased with his improvement over last year for sure!

One thing I would like to see the Vikes do is call a couple designed QB sneaks for him. The guy has some decent wheels on him and it could only help further open up the field for him.

TheLeviathan
10-14-2012, 12:04 PM
Look, he's better than I expected, I won't deny that. And the 49er game impressed the hell out of me. But the offense hasn't been very good, I need to see it be more than Percy and the offensive line carrying the load before I start being impressed overall.

luke829
10-14-2012, 07:04 PM
The defense seemed to be absent in today's game, granted the turnovers weren't helping anything.

TheLeviathan
10-14-2012, 07:35 PM
Some of the stats look nice today but Ponder had some simply terrible throws. Held the ball too long all day as well. And this was the kind of performance I was worried our defense was capable of, I'm not sure what the real identity is yet.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-14-2012, 10:38 PM
Ponder looked like dog**** today, terrible passes and terrible decisions all day.

I'm not super worried about the defense yet, RGIII exposed there one real weakness which is lack of speed, fortunately the majority of QBs from here on out aren't exactly the running types:

Freeman, Kolb, Wilson, Rodgers, Cutler, Shaub,Bradford, etc

The frustrating thing with this game is the Vikes should have been up 17-0 in the 1st quarter, not 9-0, you GOT to put the ball in the endzone in this league, and they let the Redskins back into it. Couple that with two gift INT/TD's from Ponder and the Vikings were screwed.

****ty cause they should/could have won this game. Now they gotta win the next two against Zona and TB to keep us in a good spot. @Seattle looks like a damn tough game. But if we can go into the bye at 6-3 we at least set ourselves up for a legit playoff run.

I still maintain this team needs another threat at WR, you could tell the Skins were keying off on Peterson and Harvin all day. Jenkins had a nice catch and Rudolph had a nice game, but it would be so nice if we had someone we could throw a jump ball or something to in the endzone (or go deep) I almost wonder if it would be worth trying to bring on Plaxico Burress? Dude actually played somewhat decent last year and I think could be solid as long as we don't need him as a #1. Thoughts?

TheLeviathan
10-14-2012, 10:53 PM
Yeah, defensive speed is lacking. I thought when we went up 9-0 that we were in trouble, we invited the Skins to get a ton of momentum out of those failed opportunities.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-14-2012, 11:19 PM
Yeah, defensive speed is lacking. I thought when we went up 9-0 that we were in trouble, we invited the Skins to get a ton of momentum out of those failed opportunities.

This seems to have been an issue all year, the Detroit game was a good example to, some real nice drives that got stalled out. It would be so nice to have a big WR to toss it to in the red zone, since Harvin and Peterson are more or less going to be guarded very closely.

TheLeviathan
10-14-2012, 11:33 PM
This seems to have been an issue all year, the Detroit game was a good example to, some real nice drives that got stalled out. It would be so nice to have a big WR to toss it to in the red zone, since Harvin and Peterson are more or less going to be guarded very closely.

I guess I thought the issue has been they haven't run enough.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-15-2012, 08:29 AM
This seems to have been an issue all year, the Detroit game was a good example to, some real nice drives that got stalled out. It would be so nice to have a big WR to toss it to in the red zone, since Harvin and Peterson are more or less going to be guarded very closely.

I guess I thought the issue has been they haven't run enough.

I agree, they seemed to just decent stretches without giving peterson the ball at all.

One thing I do like is them including Adrian more and more in the passing game.

Willihammer
10-15-2012, 10:07 AM
I cry a little bit when Ponder lines up in the shotgun.

Defense looked like the 2011 squad again, made the Skins receiving core look like the 2001 Rams. Whatever their gameplan was, it failed fantastically. AVATAR wins again.

TheLeviathan
10-15-2012, 05:52 PM
Yeah, Adrian is clearly getting more passes his way, what I don't like in the offense in the redzone is typified by one play to me. I can't remember which of the three opening field goal drives it was, but Ponder threw a slant to Aromoshadu out of the back of the endzone. It was incomplete but he literally took no time to look at his options, threw it to an inferior player who was covered (maybe even double covered if I remember right) and basically wasted a down. I love the way they are using Harvin, improving the quantity of looks for Peterson and Rudolph, and balancing the running formations. But good god do they need to get better in the redzone, it's like Percy and Adrian stop existing for some reason.

Badsmerf
10-16-2012, 09:47 PM
I agree with the redzone problems. I felt like Ponder was completely worthless. Defenses will give you throws of 10 yards and under all day. I dislike the way he plays the game. He is a dink and dunk passer. He walks a thin line. He doesn't do enough to win games by himself, but a bad game and he can lose one. Offenses start with the QB. Look at how Manning and Rogers dissect defenses at the line. Manning doesn't have a great receiver core now but still finds people open. Even when Favre was here he was able to do this and put cash in Sydney Rice's bank account because of it. A new receiver is only going to give Ponder options, I doubt he would ever take advantage of them.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-16-2012, 10:55 PM
It's a little silly to compare Ponder to Manning and Rodgers, who are two of the better QB's of the past 20 years.... but for the record Manning was pretty mediocre his first 16 starts in the league, and Rodgers was able to sit 3 years on the bench before he was ever called upon. I'm not saying Ponder is ever going to be elite or anything close, but lets give him some time to learn and adjust.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-16-2012, 10:57 PM
Yeah, Adrian is clearly getting more passes his way, what I don't like in the offense in the redzone is typified by one play to me. I can't remember which of the three opening field goal drives it was, but Ponder threw a slant to Aromoshadu out of the back of the endzone. It was incomplete but he literally took no time to look at his options, threw it to an inferior player who was covered (maybe even double covered if I remember right) and basically wasted a down. I love the way they are using Harvin, improving the quantity of looks for Peterson and Rudolph, and balancing the running formations. But good god do they need to get better in the redzone, it's like Percy and Adrian stop existing for some reason.
If the Vikes are inside the ten there is no reason why Peterson shouldn't touch the ball at least 2 of the 3 downs...none at all. (unless the other 2 are going to Harvin in some fashion)

It just would be nice to have a Plaxico type guy you could throw a jump ball to down in that area as well, to help spread out the defense. I don't think Rudolph, Aroshmondu or Jenkins are scaring many teams, and Harvin as great as he is just doesn't have the size for one of those type of plays.

TheLeviathan
10-17-2012, 07:15 PM
Rudolph is a better jump ball target than some washed up guy. Part of the problem isn't that Rudolph can't do it - he's actually a fantastic weapon for that - the problem is teams seem to realize we use Harvin as a decoy and not a weapon in the redzone and overprotect against Rudolph.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-18-2012, 11:33 AM
Rudolph is a better jump ball target than some washed up guy. Part of the problem isn't that Rudolph can't do it - he's actually a fantastic weapon for that - the problem is teams seem to realize we use Harvin as a decoy and not a weapon in the redzone and overprotect against Rudolph.

Yeah that's true.

The playcalling in the red zone has prob been the biggest issue. Regardless, this team really could use another WR, Simpson's health is to iffy to rely on him and everyone else is closer to a #3/#4.

I wonder if we could get Bowe for a 3rd or 4th round pick since he is about to be a FA and the Chiefs are awful. Would that be worth exploring?

TheLeviathan
10-18-2012, 12:59 PM
I wonder if we could get Bowe for a 3rd or 4th round pick since he is about to be a FA and the Chiefs are awful. Would that be worth exploring?

I'd consider it. Bowe is a bit of a headcase, but he's got tremendous physical talent. I'm not a big fan of moving picks on a team that is young and still building, but Bowe has certainly got plenty of tread on the tires. I'd probably stick with just a third for him though.

Willihammer
10-18-2012, 01:46 PM
I am glad Musgrave isn't calling for ponder to throw downfield more often. He is too skiddish to stand in a collapsing pocket and wait for guys to get through their routes, and take one on the chin after letting it fly. I think if you start asking him to do that, you're going to see a lot more fumbles and interceptions from him. He's a scrambler and I don't think mid-season is a great time to try and break a guy of those instincts.

TheLeviathan
10-21-2012, 03:21 PM
Once again we win with just about zero help from our QB. Not good.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-21-2012, 03:54 PM
Ponder looked like dog **** today, but some of the play calling was head scratching to say the least...

The secondary was damn impressive today though!

johnnydakota
10-21-2012, 03:57 PM
Ponder looked like dog **** today, but some of the play calling was head scratching to say the least...

The secondary was damn impressive today though!
what do you think the vikings record will be this year?

johnnydakota
10-21-2012, 03:59 PM
I agree with the redzone problems. I felt like Ponder was completely worthless. Defenses will give you throws of 10 yards and under all day. I dislike the way he plays the game. He is a dink and dunk passer. He walks a thin line. He doesn't do enough to win games by himself, but a bad game and he can lose one. Offenses start with the QB. Look at how Manning and Rogers dissect defenses at the line. Manning doesn't have a great receiver core now but still finds people open. Even when Favre was here he was able to do this and put cash in Sydney Rice's bank account because of it. A new receiver is only going to give Ponder options, I doubt he would ever take advantage of them.
i think you need to start looking hard at ponder after he has 18-20 starts to see what you really have in him as a quaterback.
but yes he so far doesnt appear to be a cebrial quaterback

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-21-2012, 04:40 PM
Ponder looked like dog **** today, but some of the play calling was head scratching to say the least...

The secondary was damn impressive today though!
what do you think the vikings record will be this year?

Thursday against TB is a win, and home vs Det is a win, which means we should be at least 7-3 going into our last 6 games.
I think 10-6 is where we end up, maybe 11-5

Willihammer
10-22-2012, 01:02 PM
They are going to have to do better on third down. 35% for the year, 1/10 yesterday. Thank god we have Kluwe I guess.

Thor
10-22-2012, 08:28 PM
I already took a guess at the record but it requires a lot of Kool-Aid to see my guess coming true. Defense is better than I thought it would be and special teams are great, Adrian is better than I though he would be but the offense, well it damn well better be a work in progress because it is poor even considering our lack of talent in some spots. Ponder has to get better and the play calling has to get more aggressive or we are going to go through a stretch of years where we are 8-10 wins and drafting at the last 1/2 of the round.

TheLeviathan
10-22-2012, 08:54 PM
The issue isn't weapons, we have to get over that. Right now if you could pick any pair of skill players off of any team in the league.....is there anyone you'd pick over Peterson-Harvin? Maybe Andre Johnson-Foster or Jones-Roddy White?

Honestly, I'll take our guys. So let's stop with that excuse Vikings fans, Ponder just isn't getting it done.

Thor
10-23-2012, 07:28 AM
We do lack talent at the #1 and#2 receiver position(Percy is a slot guy) Right side of the line and very possibly talent at play calling but like I said Ponder damn well better be a work in progress because if his ceiling is 20% better than he is now that is poor. If it is 40-60% higher than his average play this year then I look foreward to seeing him play when he gets there.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-23-2012, 09:02 AM
The thing Ponder needs to learn the most is "throw the ball away" he tries to do to much at times ala Farve, if he can cut down on the stupid throwing across your body INT's then this team is in good shape moving forward. This defense is legit, the only thing that can/will kill us its turnovers on our side of the field.

TheLeviathan
10-23-2012, 06:21 PM
We do lack talent at the #1 and#2 receiver position(Percy is a slot guy) Right side of the line and very possibly talent at play calling but like I said Ponder damn well better be a work in progress because if his ceiling is 20% better than he is now that is poor. If it is 40-60% higher than his average play this year then I look foreward to seeing him play when he gets there.

Who has been playing outside for the Patriots? Deion Branch is a fine player, but he's no world beater. You can do just fine with the talent the Vikes have - it could be better, but the fault lies primarily with the QB.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-23-2012, 06:35 PM
Who has been playing outside for the Patriots? Deion Branch is a fine player, but he's no world beater. You can do just fine with the talent the Vikes have - it could be better, but the fault lies primarily with the QB.
Patriots: 4-3 (BARELY)
Vikings: 5-2

haha

We do need better QB play not doubt, but more weapons wouldn't hurt...

Badsmerf
10-25-2012, 03:45 PM
He already has 17 starts.... so I'm not sure what the ceiling is on him yet, but we sure haven't seen much to say "he's got it." The final book isn't written on him yet, but things aren't looking too good. Despite the good record, the Vikes have to play GB, the Bears, DET again and I don't see them winning any of those games. They don't have the offense to stay with elite teams.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-25-2012, 07:29 PM
He already has 17 starts.... so I'm not sure what the ceiling is on him yet, but we sure haven't seen much to say "he's got it." The final book isn't written on him yet, but things aren't looking too good. Despite the good record, the Vikes have to play GB, the Bears, DET again and I don't see them winning any of those games. They don't have the offense to stay with elite teams.
What are you talking about? You don't think we can beat Detroit at home? Give me a break.

The Bears have a pretty weak offense IMO, we can beat them either game as long as Ponder doesn't turn the ball over (which is asking quite a bit these days) Packers @ home should be competitive as well, they have a good number of flaws.

TheLeviathan
10-25-2012, 08:57 PM
What are you talking about? You don't think we can beat Detroit at home? Give me a break.

The Bears have a pretty weak offense IMO, we can beat them either game as long as Ponder doesn't turn the ball over (which is asking quite a bit these days) Packers @ home should be competitive as well, they have a good number of flaws.

Watching them flounder against the Bucs at home on a short rest week even going to dent this stupid take? Hell, their best plays have been "throw it up and pray" moves that have worked two out of three times.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-25-2012, 09:42 PM
What are you talking about? You don't think we can beat Detroit at home? Give me a break.

The Bears have a pretty weak offense IMO, we can beat them either game as long as Ponder doesn't turn the ball over (which is asking quite a bit these days) Packers @ home should be competitive as well, they have a good number of flaws.

Watching them flounder against the Bucs at home on a short rest week even going to dent this stupid take? Hell, their best plays have been "throw it up and pray" moves that have worked two out of three times.
The whole team looks awful tonight, the defense has totally forgotten how to tackle and Peterson had a rare fumble. Hopefully they can get back in this game.

Ponder has been iffy, but his deep throws have for the most part been pretty accurate.

SpiritofVodkaDave
10-25-2012, 09:46 PM
The O-Line and front 7 have been terrible, hopefully this is just an issue of conditioning/short week and not a sign of things to come.

TheLeviathan
10-25-2012, 10:06 PM
The whole team looks awful tonight, the defense has totally forgotten how to tackle and Peterson had a rare fumble. Hopefully they can get back in this game.

Ponder has been iffy, but his deep throws have for the most part been pretty accurate.

It's the same defensive players from last year but one really (Smith), so this shouldn't be a shock. The offense has been terrible - one broken run and one nice throw to Harvin and that's about it. He's throwing floaters, locking in on receivers, and doing little to recognize hot reads on blitzes. The defense has been on the field for what feels like forever since the second half of Arizona.

It's ridiculous to suggest that anything with this team is a lock when the offense is this inept. And, like the broadcast has been saying - it features two of the best skill players in the league and it still can't get traction.

TheLeviathan
11-04-2012, 03:59 PM
Over a quarter in and Ponder looks god awful again. Harvin had an easy six with a decently thrown ball and he couldn't deliver. All of his roll-out throws have been erratic and he's had a ton of time. He's a failure people, let's accept it.

Badsmerf
11-04-2012, 04:32 PM
Wish I could watch the game. I wonder if Leslie is going to burn with Ponder. How can anyone stand to watch a QB play so terrible? He has no place starting in this league.

johnnydakota
11-04-2012, 06:44 PM
yes 19 game starter ponder was out played by seattle rookie wilson , i question not bring in joe web ?

TheLeviathan
11-04-2012, 07:15 PM
At least all the Ponder excuse-makers are starting to back-pedal.

SpiritofVodkaDave
11-04-2012, 07:19 PM
**** Ponder and **** Musgrave. Hopefully we can trade for Flynn