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Parker Hageman
09-28-2012, 10:43 AM
2435The Twins announced today that they have released Tsuyoshi Nishioka at his request. The middle infielder will relieve the Twins of their 2013 obligations, saving the team $3.25 million ($3M in salary and $250,000 in a buyout).

The highly touted Japanese free agent never adapted well to the game at the highest level, hitting .215/.267/.236 in 254 plate appearances while provided terribly disappointing defense (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/127717313.html) in the field.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 10:46 AM
Getting rid of Nishioka and not having to pay his salary is just like making a trade!

Also, RIP Sweet Prince


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3b5aOelFL4

Jim Crikket
09-28-2012, 10:50 AM
I credit the Twins FO for at least being willing to take a chance on Nishioka, but obviously the scouting was faulty and the trade of Hardy was not a wise move. If media reports that Nishioka approached the Twins about being willing to forego the $3.25 million they would owe him for next year, then give him credit for that. Not sure many players would do that. Not sure I would do that. I'm sure he'll make a good share of that back by signing with a Japanese team for 2013 and I wish him the best of luck.

I also hope the Twins will do something with that $3.25 million of additional available salary other than pocket it.

Brock Beauchamp
09-28-2012, 10:50 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 11:00 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.

Willihammer
09-28-2012, 11:06 AM
Who would have guessed the guy with a .412 BABIP in 2010 would regress so hard.

nokomismod
09-28-2012, 11:09 AM
Classy move Nishi. Money doesn't mean happiness and I am hoping you can get back to having some fun.

Boom Boom
09-28-2012, 11:15 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.


He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

nokomismod
09-28-2012, 11:17 AM
I would really be interested in hearing how this played out. My suspiscion is that TR spoke with Nish and his agent before Nishi's callup this summer and said something to the effect of you don't want to be playing in the minor leagues right? What if you we give you one last shot and if it doesn't work, you opt out at the end of the season?

AllhopeisgoneMNTWINS
09-28-2012, 11:24 AM
Celebrate good times! :)

Jim Crikket
09-28-2012, 11:27 AM
I suspect it was more a situation where Nishi and his agent concluded that every year he spends playing minor league ball hurts his "brand" and will make it tougher for him to get back to the level of endorsement income he was getting when he left Japan. It was probably determined that it's in his best long-term best interests to start rebuilding his image as a "star" in Japan immediately, rather than waiting another year.

kirbyelway
09-28-2012, 11:27 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.

Get a clue. He was man enough to give up the money and was good enough to get the contract. He struggled playing here and I'm sure the change of scenery had a lot to do with it. Not his fault the team played terrible.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
09-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Thank you, thank you, thank you NISHIOKA!! You are a man of great honor.

Brock Beauchamp
09-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.

I'm not arguing that he wasn't awful, just saying that it takes some balls to walk away from millions of dollars as a complete and utter failure at your job. Few players will admit that to that, much less leave guaranteed money on the table.

After all, Nick Blackburn is still on the roster.

Cody Christie
09-28-2012, 11:45 AM
I wish it could have worked out for the Twins and Nishioka. It would have been nice for him to develop into a solid regular but it was time for the two parties to part ways.

Good luck to him in his return to Japan. Hopefully, he can restart his career with a fresh start.

Boom Boom
09-28-2012, 11:45 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.

I'm not arguing that he wasn't awful, just saying that it takes some balls to walk away from millions of dollars as a complete and utter failure at your job. Few players will admit that to that, much less leave guaranteed money on the table.

After all, Nick Blackburn is still on the roster.

Nick Blackburn has it made in the shade, at least for 2013. It'll be the Summer of George for him. I wouldn't walk away from that.

But though he IS guaranteed money, he's not technically on the roster.

Willihammer
09-28-2012, 11:48 AM
I'm not going to question why. I only hope that $3m gets recycled into something useful next year.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 11:48 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.

I'm not arguing that he wasn't awful, just saying that it takes some balls to walk away from millions of dollars as a complete and utter failure at your job. Few players will admit that to that, much less leave guaranteed money on the table.

After all, Nick Blackburn is still on the roster.

He's still going to make millions of dollars in Japan.

Again, he deserves zero credit and is probably one of worst players in major league history.

BYE!

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 11:50 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.


He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

The Twins got rid of Hardy and choose to bring in Nishioka to be the teams starting SS in 2011/12/13. The SS woes that plague the team this year are still his fault, since he was getting paid to be the starting SS.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.

I'm not arguing that he wasn't awful, just saying that it takes some balls to walk away from millions of dollars as a complete and utter failure at your job. Few players will admit that to that, much less leave guaranteed money on the table.

After all, Nick Blackburn is still on the roster.

Nick Blackburn has it made in the shade, at least for 2013. It'll be the Summer of George for him. I wouldn't walk away from that.

But though he IS guaranteed money, he's not technically on the roster.
The Blackburn situation is entirely different, if he "walked away" from the money he would basically be retiring.

It's not like he can come out and say "I have been terrible, I want the Twins to release me" then turn around and try to come back to the majors for another team, if he gives that money back the players union would never let him back in. (I guarantee you Nishioka would be blackballed from ever coming back to the US...not that any team would want him)

joeboo_22
09-28-2012, 12:00 PM
Guys the Twins were going to get rid of Hardy either way so I wouldn't blame Nishioka for it. I just think that it was everything went wrong since he came and he couldn't turn it around.

mike wants wins
09-28-2012, 12:04 PM
Nishi is clearly a man of honor. There are too few of those these days. This is the kind of risk you need to take if you are bad at developing players and will not sign big time free agents. Some risks work, and some do not. But, successful companies keep taking them.

Boom Boom
09-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.


He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

The Twins got rid of Hardy and choose to bring in Nishioka to be the teams starting SS in 2011/12/13. The SS woes that plague the team this year are still his fault, since he was getting paid to be the starting SS.


I can't blame Nishioka for this season.

It's not Nishioka's fault that the Twins didn't like Hardy and traded him for nothing. It's not Nishioka's fault the Twins didn't do their due diligence before signing him. I guess you could argue he should have played better, but considering the statistics on him between AA, AAA, and MLB, I don't think he's performed below his talent level.

LewFordLives
09-28-2012, 12:13 PM
Very classy move by Nishioka. I'm surprised he wasn't even able to negotiate some kind of buyout. I wish him the best.

I had high hopes for him when he first came to the Twins. I saw him down in Ft Myers in March of 2011 and he was constantly getting on base and looked very promising. I thought maybe the Twins found a diamond in the rough. Alas...it was not to be.

JB_Iowa
09-28-2012, 12:17 PM
I see this as a good deal for both sides -- and I see it as the logical move by both sides. I don't think it says ANYTHING about anybody's honor or classiness.

It just makes cold business sense for both sides.

nicksaviking
09-28-2012, 12:26 PM
In my book this takes him off the hook for the title of worst Twins free agent ever. At least the Twins recovered the $3.25 million where as the Twins had to pay Mike Lamb to be terrible for the Brewers after his release in 2008 and then pay him to be terrible for the Mets AAA team in 2009.

Too Much Twins
09-28-2012, 12:46 PM
Good show, Tsuyoshi. It takes a fair amount of sack to decline a paycheck you were guaranteed.

Or he preferred to go back to Japan (to take a slight paycut) where he could play in the best league/be a star again rather then riding the bus between Rochester and Scranton for another season?

I don't give him any credit, he was a terrible ball player for this club and is one of the reasons why this team finished in last place two years in a row. Good riddance.


He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

The Twins got rid of Hardy and choose to bring in Nishioka to be the teams starting SS in 2011/12/13. The SS woes that plague the team this year are still his fault, since he was getting paid to be the starting SS.

SpiritofVodkaDave, you're logic is crap and have some empathy. Nishioka did not make the Twins make the terrible Hardy trade. He didn't make them overpay him for three years. He did suck, but he didn't make the sucky decision that got nothing in return for Hardy and left them in a hole for three years. That blame lies with the FO.

Fatt Crapps
09-28-2012, 12:54 PM
Who would have guessed the guy with a .412 BABIP in 2010 would regress so hard.

Remember when Nick N and others questioned whether Nishi would succeed in the MLB based on many factors including babip? And those who disagreed called him a racist? Good times.

Fatt Crapps
09-28-2012, 12:55 PM
Also:

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jimbo92107
09-28-2012, 12:58 PM
Don't blame the playah. Who predicted this? Nobody. I'm glad Nishi decided to end the experiment and go play baseball back home. Good luck to him.

StormJH1
09-28-2012, 01:02 PM
Hey, I give credit to Nishioka for being a man, as far as THIS organization is concerned and recognizing that he wasn't going to do anything over here except hold the organization hostage for $3 million+, which, contractually, he had every right to do.

I think it also puts a different perspective on this whole chapter for Twins fans, or at least it should. If Nishioka had come over on a one-year deal for $4 million, nobody would've cared that he sucked. It was the length of the deal and the fact that a failing team on a limited budget was going to have to pay this guy millions of dollars for a 2nd and 3rd year with no potential of ANYTHING to offer the big league club. Much like Gil Meche did a few years ago, he cut the team a break. I hope he finds success again back in Japan.

spycake
09-28-2012, 01:31 PM
The Blackburn situation is entirely different, if he "walked away" from the money he would basically be retiring.

It's not like he can come out and say "I have been terrible, I want the Twins to release me" then turn around and try to come back to the majors for another team, if he gives that money back the players union would never let him back in. (I guarantee you Nishioka would be blackballed from ever coming back to the US...not that any team would want him)

I don't think Nishioka would be blackballed -- I'm pretty sure international players would be viewed quite differently. He may make less in 2013 this way, but his 2014+ earnings potential is much better if he doesn't waste another season at AAA. Although I agree the odds of him ever returning to the U.S. are very, very low.

In theory, if Blackburn were in an identical situation (guaranteed stuck at AAA with Minnesota), he could probably negotiate a buyout so he could try to catch on with another club. But more likely, the Twins would just do him an equivalent favor by trading him and eating the salary.

But in Blackburn's case, the Twins are still his best shot to play in the majors in 2013, regardless of contract.

John Bonnes
09-28-2012, 02:19 PM
It'll probably be a soft landing for Nishi - he might already have an arrangement with a Japanese team - but it still takes character to walk away from guaranteed money like that. I've never heard anyone question his heart or desire, just his ability to handle The Show, so I can't say I'm surprised. Good luck to him. I'll root for him to bounce back strong there.

BBWriterMan
09-28-2012, 02:27 PM
Here is my analysis of the Nishioka situation, feature at Rant Sports.com
Link: http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2012/09/28/mlb-news-the-minnesota-twins-release-tsuyoshi-nishioka/

one_eyed_jack
09-28-2012, 02:46 PM
He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

He wasn't a big part of either year. The Twins have played 318 games in 2011 and 2012. Nishioka appeared in only 71 of those games.

The Twins record on those games? 31-40

Record with no Nishi? 97-150.

To be clear, I'm not denying Nishi was awful. Clearly, he was. But there's plenty of blame to go around for 2 seasons of sucktastic baseball, and pinning it all on Nishi is turning a blind eye to the myriad of other problems with this team.

PseudoSABR
09-28-2012, 02:51 PM
The millions weren't worth the humiliation to play in the minor leagues. He'll get paid similarly in Japan. It works out nice for the Twins, but I wouldn't call the move by Nishi classy...

TwinsMusings
09-28-2012, 03:09 PM
What is announced publicly and what actually happens behind the scenes are not always the same. Although I have no real evidence to prove it, I would be very surprised if Terry Ryan did not, over the past month or so, explore every option for a buyout that included Nishioka's signing with a Japanese team - effectively trading him back home to Japan for "cash considerations". My guess is there were no takers at that price, but it would not surprise me if some Japanese teams showed interest if he was a free agent. All Ryan had to do in that case is report that to Nishioka and his agent at let them do the math and consider the damage to his "brand" if he stayed one more year at AAA. In fact, Ryan may have told him AAA was not guaranteed if he would be blocking other prospects. For all we know, Ryan may have told Nishioka he was going to be released and gave him the option of public face saving. Nishioka can now say he did what Japanese culture expects. (Many examples of Japanese business/government leaders resigning and taking responsibility.) Nishioka can go home saying he "resigned, took responsibility, and is willing to return to Japanese baseball to restore his dignity and honor." The bonus is: almost certainly he will make more money in the long run by doing so.

Boom Boom
09-28-2012, 03:13 PM
He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

He wasn't a big part of either year. The Twins have played 318 games in 2011 and 2012. Nishioka appeared in only 71 of those games.

The Twins record on those games? 31-40

Record with no Nishi? 97-150.

To be clear, I'm not denying Nishi was awful. Clearly, he was. But there's plenty of blame to go around for 2 seasons of sucktastic baseball, and pinning it all on Nishi is turning a blind eye to the myriad of other problems with this team.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nishioka is responsible for the 2011 disaster. But he was a bigger part of that team than the 2012 team. Actutally, I think the Twins stuck with him too long in 2011.

But what I was quoting was the poster who said Nishioka is a big part of the 2011 and 2012 disasters, which is somewhat less than half-true.

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 03:31 PM
here is my analysis of the nishioka situation, feature at rant sports.com
link: http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/2012/09/28/mlb-news-the-minnesota-twins-release-tsuyoshi-nishioka/

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SpiritofVodkaDave
09-28-2012, 03:37 PM
He was a big part of the reason the 2011 team finished in last place. He had very little to do with how bad the 2012 team was/is.

He wasn't a big part of either year. The Twins have played 318 games in 2011 and 2012. Nishioka appeared in only 71 of those games.

The Twins record on those games? 31-40

Record with no Nishi? 97-150.

To be clear, I'm not denying Nishi was awful. Clearly, he was. But there's plenty of blame to go around for 2 seasons of sucktastic baseball, and pinning it all on Nishi is turning a blind eye to the myriad of other problems with this team.

Yeah, I'm not saying Nishioka is responsible for the 2011 disaster. But he was a bigger part of that team than the 2012 team. Actutally, I think the Twins stuck with him too long in 2011.

But what I was quoting was the poster who said Nishioka is a big part of the 2011 and 2012 disasters, which is somewhat less than half-true.
He was a part of the 2012 disaster becuase he was getting paid 3 million dollars to A.) Play terribly in AAA, and B.) Played hilariously awful in the majors those few games.

This guy was getting paid good money to be a solution to the Twins middle INF, at the very least they thought he could be a slick fielding utility guy. But no, he decided to play baseball worse then anyone I have seen in a long time.

Again, hes going to get paid in Japan, its not a classy move by him, its him putting his tail between his legs and going home. I'd have a lot more respect for him if he actually put his nose to the grindstone this off-season and worked on his game enough to get his bat back to an acceptable level and worked on his fielding to at least come into spring training looking like a ball player. He said he was "embarassed by his play" Good! At least he knows reality!

Also people are saying it took "heart" and "balls" to do what he did, It doesn't take balls for a man to run away from his problems/adversity, it takes heart and balls for a guy to man up in the face of adversity and continue to work. Hell, even if he could have managed to figure out how to hit for .250-.260 and cleaned up his mental lapses in the field (that's what those were) he could have been in the mix for the Twins 2013 MI since the in house candidates are all pretty awful as well.

Again, good riddance to the bum, I don't wish him any failure in Japan or anything, but I certainly don't wish him any sort of sustained success.

twinsnorth49
09-28-2012, 04:31 PM
He's gone, let's all do ourselves a favour and try to pretend it never happened, I know I am.

Thrylos
09-28-2012, 05:49 PM
The Twins got rid of Hardy and choose to bring in Nishioka to be the teams starting SS in 2011/12/13. The SS woes that plague the team this year are still his fault, since he was getting paid to be the starting SS.

How come this is Nishoka's fault. It is the fault of people who made the decision: Gardy who wanted more speed to his lineup and Smith who gave it the green light and executed it. People like Nishioka and Butera are who they are. They cannot control that. Others control whether they are in the majors and whether they play. That is where the blame should reside.

darin617
09-28-2012, 06:00 PM
2435The Twins announced today that they have released Tsuyoshi Nishioka at his request. The middle infielder will relieve the Twins of their 2013 obligations, saving the team $3.25 million ($3M in salary and $250,000 in a buyout).

The highly touted Japanese free agent never adapted well to the game at the highest level, hitting .215/.267/.236 in 254 plate appearances while provided terribly disappointing defense (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/127717313.html) in the field.

Now if only someone can save this article for Joe Mauer to read in 2015 or 2016 and give the Twins back all $23M/yr that he will never earn in his last few years of his horrible contract...............

Shane Wahl
09-29-2012, 12:52 AM
Now, Mr. Blackburn, did you just see what Nishioka did there?

snepp
09-29-2012, 08:26 AM
http://images.cuddlycomments.com/5/152074e2d230fe32bd.gif

Monkeypaws
09-30-2012, 05:32 PM
Classy move Nishi. Money doesn't mean happiness and I am hoping you can get back to having some fun.

My feelings exactly - Plus, when you look at that wife, life is pretty sweet for him in spite of this failure.

USAFChief
09-30-2012, 08:55 PM
Classy move Nishi. Money doesn't mean happiness and I am hoping you can get back to having some fun.

My feelings exactly - Plus, when you look at that wife, life is pretty sweet for him in spite of this failure.

He's remarried already?