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Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 03:55 PM
Twins:
Denard Span CF
Jamey Carroll 2B
Joe Mauer DH
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Chris Parmelee RF
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Chris Herrmann C
Pedro Florimon SS
(Liam Hendriks P)

Indians:
Shin-Soo Choo RF
Jason Kipnis 2B
Asdrubal Cabrera SS
Carlos Santana C
Michael Brantley CF
Travis Hafner DH
Russ Canzler 1B
Lonnie Chisenhall 3B
Vinny Rottino LF
(Zach McAllister P)

Top Gun
09-19-2012, 05:29 PM
Great another catcher.

kydoty
09-19-2012, 05:52 PM
Indians as the opponent
Minor league catcher
About 5,000 fans in the seats

Sounds like they're simulating a minor league game as much as possible for Hendriks.

Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 05:54 PM
Indians as the opponent
Minor league catcher
About 5,000 fans in the seats

Sounds like they're simulating a minor league game as much as possible for Hendriks.

bwahahahahahahahahahahah

snepp
09-19-2012, 06:02 PM
Indians as the opponent
Minor league catcher
About 5,000 fans in the seats

Sounds like they're simulating a minor league game as much as possible for Hendriks.

That's beautiful.

IdahoPilgrim
09-19-2012, 06:02 PM
Indians as the opponent
Minor league catcher
About 5,000 fans in the seats

Sounds like they're simulating a minor league game as much as possible for Hendriks.

One could make the case that every game this team plays is a minor league game...

mrmpls
09-19-2012, 06:12 PM
Indians as the opponent
Minor league catcher
About 5,000 fans in the seats

Sounds like they're simulating a minor league game as much as possible for Hendriks.

One could make the case that every game this team plays is a minor league game...

Our mn twins have the worst home record in all of baseball, the last 2 years. and still they plan NO major changes, way to treat all the people who helped support target field being built . its as bad as a ponzy scheme, pohlads and the twins should be ashamed what they have done, care about one thing $$$$$$$. im done with em!!!

IdahoPilgrim
09-19-2012, 06:16 PM
Our mn twins have the worst home record in all of baseball, the last 2 years. and still they plan NO major changes, way to treat all the people who helped support target field being built . its as bad as a ponzy scheme, pohlads and the twins should be ashamed what they have done, care about one thing $$$$$$$. im done with em!!!




And give up the excellent turkey sandwiches they sell at the park? Those things are good!

IdahoPilgrim
09-19-2012, 06:18 PM
Here we go! Aussie power!

glunn
09-19-2012, 06:28 PM
I am totally pulling for Hendriks today to get his first major league win, and for Herrmann to have a great debut.

glunn
09-19-2012, 06:28 PM
A Plouffe home run would also be nice.

Willihammer
09-19-2012, 06:54 PM
Our mn twins have the worst home record in all of baseball, the last 2 years. and still they plan NO major changes, way to treat all the people who helped support target field being built . its as bad as a ponzy scheme, pohlads and the twins should be ashamed what they have done, care about one thing $$$$$$$. im done with em!!!




In fairness, the Pohlads did pony up for a 2nd jumbotron to further distract from the product on the field.

Lesser Dali
09-19-2012, 06:56 PM
The Twins' DH is really playing like he wants a batting title.

JB_Iowa
09-19-2012, 07:08 PM
Oakland helping Miggy. Intentional walk.

Willihammer
09-19-2012, 07:17 PM
Twins have successfully stolen 25 straight bags against he Tribe

IdahoPilgrim
09-19-2012, 07:26 PM
What was that about Florimon being our starting SS in camp next year? Is that carved in stone?

snepp
09-19-2012, 07:38 PM
Go Hammer, it's your birthday.

Willihammer
09-19-2012, 07:39 PM
Willihammer hits the game tie-er

Willihammer hits the go-ahead HR

A good night for his WPA index

IdahoPilgrim
09-19-2012, 07:40 PM
Go Hammer, it's your birthday.

Light the candles and pass around the cake!

glunn
09-19-2012, 08:17 PM
Hendriks appears to be on track for his first win -- let's hope that the bullpen does not blow it for him.

snepp
09-19-2012, 08:38 PM
Wow, that was an awful call.



Good for Mauer though.

Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 08:39 PM
Another single for Mauer, another run for the Twins, and getting close to locking down Hendriks' first win...

Good night overall.

kydoty
09-19-2012, 08:40 PM
Gardy will be ejected in about 10 seconds if they call him out.

TwinVike61
09-19-2012, 08:40 PM
This has been a fun game to listen to with Hendricks in line for his first "big league" win, Willingham padding his resume with a 4 for 4 night (so far), Carroll almost hit his 2nd homer in 4 years.

I have a question though. For those who listen on Gameday, does it seem like Chris Atterbury (who is doing the broadcast with Cory Provos tonight) always has his microphone gain set way too high so it distorts.

Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 08:41 PM
Jesus, Miggy with another homer. Sitting at 1-2 for the night with 2 BB. He's on fire. I'd be shocked if he loses the MVP at this point. Trout is fading fast and Miggy has turned into a monster.

Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 08:45 PM
Cabrera's post All-Star numbers:

July: 1.086 OPS
August: 1.092 OPS
September: 1.223 OPS

Christ, those numbers are Bonds-ian.

Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 08:54 PM
Did they take away Mauer's hit and the run? What the hell is going on here?

snepp
09-19-2012, 08:56 PM
Did they take away Mauer's hit and the run?

Yes.

Brock Beauchamp
09-19-2012, 09:01 PM
I wouldn't have blamed Hendriks for walking out of the stadium and hopping on a plane back to Australia if Robertson gave away that lead.

mhanson93
09-19-2012, 09:18 PM
I know "wins" is an overrated stat, but I'm happy for Liam...

glunn
09-19-2012, 10:23 PM
i know "wins" is an overrated stat, but i'm happy for liam...

amen!

CDog
09-19-2012, 11:26 PM
And give up the excellent turkey sandwiches they sell at the park? Those things are good!

Where do you find them? I've not had one yet.

Top Gun
09-19-2012, 11:48 PM
Mike Trout (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/MLB/5983/Mike-Trout) is my MVP. Say what you want about the triple crown stats, but Trout's been so much more valuable on the basepaths and with the glove that if you look past homers and RBIs, it's not even really that close. Cabrera might have taken one for the team in moving to third, but by most metrics (and by the eye test) he's the worst (or second-worst) third baseman in the league defensively, so he isn't offering value there. And he's not burning up the basepaths either, nor can you give either credit for 'carrying the team to the postseason' or being 'all alone' on a good team...

Brock Beauchamp
09-20-2012, 06:38 AM
Mike Trout (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/MLB/5983/Mike-Trout) is my MVP. Say what you want about the triple crown stats, but Trout's been so much more valuable on the basepaths and with the glove that if you look past homers and RBIs, it's not even really that close. Cabrera might have taken one for the team in moving to third, but by most metrics (and by the eye test) he's the worst (or second-worst) third baseman in the league defensively, so he isn't offering value there. And he's not burning up the basepaths either, nor can you give either credit for 'carrying the team to the postseason' or being 'all alone' on a good team...

MVP voting is one of the few areas where I feel it's fair to use RBIs and Runs. The MVP balloting is about results and while RBIs are team-influenced, they are also firmly based on results. Cabrera drove in that run and helped his team win. That cannot be debated. Trout scored that run and helped his team win. That cannot be debated. How it came about is kind of irrelevant. RBIs and Runs are nearly useless when trying to predict a player's future performance but in results-based voting such as the MVP or HoF, they should be used to judge how a player performed.

And Cabrera has a whopping 53 more RBI than Trout. He's also leading in OPS, BA, OBP, HR, and most offensive metrics. Trout has him in defense and base running. Overall, I think it's close but given how voters historically lean in their voting, I think it's Cabrera's award to lose.

Plus, voters should notice that Cabrera is putting up an OPS over 1.200 in September while Trout is scuffling with a .778 mark. That matters. Both of their teams were contenders going into the month and one guy has stepped up while the other faltered.

snepp
09-20-2012, 06:58 AM
You do realize that's a verbatim copy/paste from a Rotoworld blog, yes?

IdahoPilgrim
09-20-2012, 07:21 AM
And give up the excellent turkey sandwiches they sell at the park? Those things are good!

Where do you find them? I've not had one yet.

There are two stands - one on the main level, one on the top level. Both are behind home plate.

Brock Beauchamp
09-20-2012, 07:25 AM
You do realize that's a verbatim copy/paste from a Rotoworld blog, yes?

No, I did not realize that.

Willihammer
09-20-2012, 09:12 AM
Fangraphs basically destroyed the RBI/MVP argument for Cabrera earlier this week. For starters, if you're going to just measure side by side Trouts rbi totals and Cabrera's then you also have to measure Cabrera's 28 GIDPs to Trouts (7). They are both products of hitting when runners are on base. Sort of goes with being a leadoff hitter compared to a 3 hole hitter.

Then there is the part about what each hitters does after getting on base. Conveniently, they get on base at virtually the same clip, but Trout makes way more of the opportunities. Money quote:


The fact that Trout has 18 additional runs scored despite playing in those 21 fewer games shows the magnitude of the difference that baserunning can make, and it’s of course silly to only consider runs created with the bat and ignore those with the legs. Trout has scored 45% of the times he’s been on base — easily the highest of any regular in the AL — compared to a league average of just 31% and Cabrera’s 28% total. Yes, some of that is having Albert Pujols (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B) hit behind him, but of course Prince Fielder (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4613&position=1B) hits behind Cabrera, mitigating the argument that run scored percentage is solely a function of the guy hitting behind you.

Brock Beauchamp
09-20-2012, 09:31 AM
If you're going to count RBI, you have to count Runs. I mentioned earlier that Trout definitely has the advantage in runs scored. Is the entire package of Trout enough to overcome Cabrera's RBI and offensive totals? Well, I think that depends on what you're looking at. If you asked me whether I'd want Trout or Cabrera on my team in 2012, I'd choose Trout every time. He's the more rounded and capable player.

On the other hand, "MVP" is a nebulous term. Cabrera is a run-producing monster who is leading or near the top of every offensive category in the AL. He's also "turning it on" exactly when his team needs him the most, posting an OPS of 1.126 in the second half. As with most MVP arguments, it comes down to what you think is most valuable.

I won't shed any tears if Trout wins the award. I'd probably give it to Miggy if I had a vote but I tend to sway more toward the player who is helping keep his team in contention down the stretch, not the guy who is scuffling a bit as the Angels teeter on the edge of falling out of the Wild Card race. Either way, it's an interesting debate.

PS. It's crazy that Trout has scored 45% of the time he has reached base. That's insane.

Willihammer
09-20-2012, 09:39 AM
As the great TK once said, "remember guys, the first inning counts!"

Same goes the season.

Brock Beauchamp
09-20-2012, 09:58 AM
As the great TK once said, "remember guys, the first inning counts!"

Same goes the season.

Of course it counts. And when the pressure is on, guys who perform deserve recognition for it. Every game counts the same but there's a big difference between a hot streak with 140 games left and a hot streak with 10 games left when your team is just a few games out of the division lead. One can mean the playoffs while the other means your team still has 140 games left to win/lose the division.

Willihammer
09-20-2012, 10:44 AM
Well that the is oversimplification of the year. By your logic, Trout will have played exactly 1 good game, because he was called up for the 21st game of the year, and sat out one game since.

What you are trying to mystify as waffling under pressure could just as easily be described as a dip in BABIP. He's still getting on base at a .368 clip, stealing bases, and playing premium defense for the month.

Brock Beauchamp
09-20-2012, 11:03 AM
Well that the is oversimplification of the year. By your logic, Trout will have played exactly 1 good game, because he was called up for the 21st game of the year, and sat out one game since.

What you are trying to mystify as waffling under pressure could just as easily be described as a dip in BABIP. He's still getting on base at a .368 clip, stealing bases, and playing premium defense for the month.

I'm not saying he's waffling under the pressure at all. I'm simply saying that if the Tigers make the playoffs, it will be due to Cabrera playing out of his mind for a month. If the Angels make the playoffs, it will be because the rest of the Angels' squad supported Trout's relatively pedestrian numbers (compared to his start, anyway) in the second half. Guys have good/bad months all the time and I believe Cabrera should be commended for his late season performance, not that Trout should be punished for his late season swoon.

Willihammer
09-20-2012, 11:15 AM
What do the playoffs even have to do with MVP? Nothing. One is a team accomplishment, the other is an individual award.