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Fatt Crapps
09-01-2012, 04:15 PM
"He's a good player; he's one of the better defensive catchers, and his bat is a work in progress," Sal said.

Thrylos
09-01-2012, 05:41 PM
got a reference?

Hope that Toronto (where Salvatore is a "special assistant") trades for him then. Maybe the progress part in "work in progress" means that Drew with his career .497 MLB OPS might catch his daddy with his career .597 OPS. Just 100 points away.

Seth Stohs
09-01-2012, 05:43 PM
Sounds about right.

JB_Iowa
09-01-2012, 05:55 PM
What do you expect a dad to say?

mikeee
09-01-2012, 06:15 PM
Sal hit .300 one year, din't he?

PseudoSABR
09-01-2012, 06:15 PM
What do you expect a dad to say?
"Get your **** together, Drew. You're embarrassing me."

IdahoPilgrim
09-01-2012, 06:18 PM
"Get your **** together, Drew. You're embarrassing me."

I hope this is in jest.

Thrylos
09-01-2012, 06:20 PM
Sal hit .300 one year, din't he?

Not in the majors (stats here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/butersa01.shtml)) and a couple times was close in the minors (stats here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=butera001sal)) Career OPS .302 (but still better than Junior)

IdahoPilgrim
09-01-2012, 06:26 PM
Not in the majors (stats here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/butersa01.shtml)) and a couple times was close in the minors (stats here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=butera001sal)) Career OPS .302 (but still better than Junior)

That was his OBP; OPS was .597

SpantheMan
09-01-2012, 07:07 PM
What do you expect a dad to say?
"Get your **** together, Drew. You're embarrassing me."
He's just being a good dad

Thrylos
09-01-2012, 07:19 PM
Not in the majors (stats here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/butersa01.shtml)) and a couple times was close in the minors (stats here (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=butera001sal)) Career OPS .302 (but still better than Junior)

That was his OBP; OPS was .597

Thanks. Brainwhatever...

SpiritofVodkaDave
09-02-2012, 12:16 AM
If I ever have a son who makes 829k in 2 years doing something he loves, I would be pretty proud as well.

joeboo_22
09-02-2012, 02:51 AM
If you are a Major Leaguer you are a Major Leaguer I get that, but at the same point when very few, if any of the fan base you play for understand why you are part of the team then you may not be much more then a Major Leaguer.

Seth Stohs
09-02-2012, 07:40 AM
Who cares what the fan base thinks!? Sal is right. Drew is one of the better defensive catchers in the game. And yeah, clearly offense isnt part of his game, but it's ok for Sal to put that nicely. Sal should be very proud!

old nurse
09-02-2012, 08:01 AM
If you are a Major Leaguer you are a Major Leaguer I get that, but at the same point when very few, if any of the fan base you play for understand why you are part of the team then you may not be much more then a Major Leaguer.

The casual fan probably could have cared less in 2010 when Butera caught a game because the team won. In the playoffs the team did not lose because of a Butera.
The casual fan would probably say that Butera was the best of the worst and the team did not find a scrap heap player to replace him.
Given those two thoughts, the casual fan has more of an understanding then of Butera being on the roster than the serious folks here.

Riverbrian
09-02-2012, 10:44 AM
What do you expect a dad to say?
"Get your **** together, Drew. You're embarrassing me."

Just yesterday... I had a 30 minute conversation with someone. 20 minutes of the conversation was about how responsible his daughter was.

For 20 minutes of that conversation. I heard about his 18 year old daughter. She's been on her first job for almost a year now. Apparently, he was talking with her boss and the boss was impressed with her. Always on time and a hard worker and now she is getting so many hours that it could cause a problem with her study time in college. The guy was beeming. Saying things like "I don't know where she gets that work ethic from... Must be her mom". "When she puts her mind on somethng... She gets it done.

20 minutes and I heard about every responsible thing she had done in the past two years.

The other ten minutes... I was telling him about how proud I am of my sons and I could have gone on longer if given the chance.

There are 750 MLB jobs total. For comparison... there are 3,500 Brain Surgeons in the USA.

Fatt Crapps
09-02-2012, 11:09 AM
I guess I don't agree that he's a "good player". In fact I think he's one of the worst in the history of the game.

IdahoPilgrim
09-02-2012, 12:29 PM
I guess I don't agree that he's a "good player". In fact I think he's one of the worst in the history of the game.

I don't think anybody here is saying he is good in comparison to others who are on major league rosters. But as they say, even the person who graduates last in their class from medical school is still called Doctor.

I'm also not sure what the point of posting this quote was in the first place. If it was to generate a discussion about how bad Drew is, then do we really have to start that discussion with picking apart a proud father's understandable statement?

Riverbrian
09-02-2012, 01:44 PM
I guess I don't agree that he's a "good player". In fact I think he's one of the worst in the history of the game.

I don't think anybody here is saying he is good in comparison to others who are on major league rosters. But as they say, even the person who graduates last in their class from medical school is still called Doctor.

I'm also not sure what the point of posting this quote was in the first place. If it was to generate a discussion about how bad Drew is, then do we really have to start that discussion with picking apart a proud father's understandable statement?

Exactly... It's a questionable way to make your point that Drew Butera is bad.

From the perspective of a father. It would be hard to keep the pride from busting out. I thought his quote was very measured in consideration.

Taking the father out of the conversation. Drew is on the squad because he can play defense and he isn't considered a prospect. He can spend time on the bench and serve that third catcher role. You don't have to worry about stagnating his future so much with bench time.

He's an insurance policy that Gardy needs. Gardy isn't comfortable having Doumit or Mauer DH because it would compromise the DH position should one of the two get hurt during a game.

Now personally, I don't believe that is necessary. Having a third catcher is crazy in my mind but Gardy has exactly 921 more wins as a MLB Manager than I do. (Although, I have less losses and I have more posts on Twins Daily).

I'm not a Butera Fan... how can anybody be a fan really... But... I appreciate Butera in the context of this team under Gardenhire. Butera is the 25th guy on a 25 man roster. HIs presence on the roster gives Gardy the peace of mind to DH Doumit and Mauer and this keeps Doumit out of the OF for the most part and gives Ben Revere playing time and Ben has done well. Defense is improved and Doumit is in the lineup with Revere.

So... It can be argued by me and I assume some others that Butera (despite his need for hitting improvement) actuallly helps this club.

Isn't that what you want from a 25th guy on the roster... You don't expect him to be... THEE Guy... You simply hope his presence can help your ball club.

And that doesn't even consider his defense skills, ability to call a game and work with the pitchers and the role (I assume) he plays in the film room and in the bullpen.

USAFChief
09-02-2012, 02:04 PM
The "25th man" on a team carrying 12 (or 13!) pitchers needs to do more than give the manager a warm fuzzy.

Make no mistake...having Drew Butera soak up a roster spot costs the Twins in multiple ways. It doesn't "give playing time" to anybody, and keeps a useful player off the roster...leading to, for example, Pedro Florimon hitting for himself as the tying run in the ninth inning.

Riverbrian
09-02-2012, 02:18 PM
The "25th man" on a team carrying 12 (or 13!) pitchers needs to do more than give the manager a warm fuzzy.

Make no mistake...having Drew Butera soak up a roster spot costs the Twins in multiple ways. It doesn't "give playing time" to anybody, and keeps a useful player off the roster...leading to, for example, Pedro Florimon hitting for himself as the tying run in the ninth inning.

Agreed... I think the third catcher idea is goofy no matter how hard I try to sugar coat Butera.

If I could take one thing out of Gardenhire's mind. Put that one thing in a locked box that can survive a nuclear explosion and than hand that thing in the locked box over to the captain of a freighter with instructions to drop that box exactly in the middle of the pacific ocean.

It would be his goofy idea of needing a third catcher so catcher's one and two can DH.

The Twins do indeed lack decent pinch hitting options and have all year long and the year before that.

On the otherside... I only make my pro-Butera statements under the context created by Gardenhire. Butera on the roster allows Ben Revere to play. Under Gardenhire that does help this team. Under another manager it probably wouldn't be necessary.

IdahoPilgrim
09-02-2012, 02:25 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how many times this year we've been forced to change catchers mid-game because of injury? Of the top of my mind, I'm having trouble thinking of one.

PseudoSABR
09-02-2012, 02:45 PM
God, this thread makes me miss BYTO. It could have been gold. Gold, Jerry.

Oh well.

Fatt Crapps
09-02-2012, 06:31 PM
The "25th man" on a team carrying 12 (or 13!) pitchers needs to do more than give the manager a warm fuzzy.

Make no mistake...having Drew Butera soak up a roster spot costs the Twins in multiple ways. It doesn't "give playing time" to anybody, and keeps a useful player off the roster...leading to, for example, Pedro Florimon hitting for himself as the tying run in the ninth inning.

Ding Ding Ding!!

greengoblinrulz
09-02-2012, 08:39 PM
Just out of curiosity, does anybody know how many times this year we've been forced to change catchers mid-game because of injury? Of the top of my mind, I'm having trouble thinking of one.
think the last time it happenned was 5 yrs ago in CHI when Mike Redmond got hurt in-game with Mauer DHing. This one incident in July 07 is the reason that Drew Butera has a job this year.

johnnydakota
09-02-2012, 09:46 PM
Who cares what the fan base thinks!? Sal is right. Drew is one of the better defensive catchers in the game. And yeah, clearly offense isnt part of his game, but it's ok for Sal to put that nicely. Sal should be very proud!

and drew boy has how many passed balls the last 2 games? 4-5 he isint that good of a defender....he takes away from our bench just so waddling ronnie can have his buddys kid hangin out and collecting...12 pitchers and 3 catchers?why

one_eyed_jack
09-02-2012, 10:10 PM
So Sal acts like a dad and declines the invitation to crap on his son in the press. How utterly scandalous!

Butera's presence on the roster is one of several topics about which there is far too much hand-wringing over in these parts. He's played in about a quarter of the team's games and had 99 PA's.

If your only source of info about the 2012 Twins was this forum, you'd think it was all because of Butera, Mauer, Nishioka and Gray that we're in last place.

jokin
09-02-2012, 11:21 PM
So Sal acts like a dad and declines the invitation to crap on his son in the press. How utterly scandalous!

Butera's presence on the roster is one of several topics about which there is far too much hand-wringing over in these parts. He's played in about a quarter of the team's games and had 99 PA's.

If your only source of info about the 2012 Twins was this forum, you'd think it was all because of Butera, Mauer, Nishioka and Gray that we're in last place.

No. But they do all have something in common- something which has contributed to the last-place embarrassments of the past two seasons- they are just 4 of many seemingly endless examples of pedestrian-bad-to-execrably-horrible management decisions concerning proper evaluation (and $valuation$) of talent level and proper usage of personnel.

ALessKosherScott
09-03-2012, 01:56 PM
Fun fact of the day: When added together, Sal and Drew have a combined career OPS+ of 102.

USAFChief
09-03-2012, 06:25 PM
Butera's presence on the roster is one of several topics about which there is far too much hand-wringing over in these parts. He's played in about a quarter of the team's games and had 99 PA's.

So what you're saying is...the Twins have played the majority of the season with a 24 man roster, 12 or 13 of which are pitchers.

But somehow that hasn't hurt the Twins.