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Seth Stohs
08-25-2012, 01:35 PM
The Red Sox just traded about $250 million worth of contracts (Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett) to the Dodgers for a handful of players. If the Red Sox were to continue this 'selling off' plan, would it make sense for the Twins to make a phone call? Consider that the Twins would have the #1 waiver claim, something could happen.

Would the Twins consider:

Jon Lester: $11.625 million in 2013, $13 million club option for 2014 (with a $0.25 buyout).
Clay Buchholz: $5.5 million in 2013, $7.7 million in 2014, $12 million in 2015, a $13 million option (with a $0.245 buyout) for 2016, and a $13.5 million option (with $0.5 million buyout) in 2017.
Dustin Pedroia - $10 million in 2013, $10 million in 2014, $11 million option (with $0.5 million buyout) for 2015.

I wonder what the Red Sox would want in return?

beckmt
08-25-2012, 02:19 PM
According to ESPN the Red Sox have put Lester and Ellsbury on trade waivers. Lester could be interesting, but do not know how many prospects the Red Sox want back. If the price is cheap enough, go for it. Would be better than spending about the same on an FA and being locked in for 3 or more years. Ellsbury is FA after next year, so do not think he would be the right player for the Twins.
If the put Pedroia on trade waivers, I hope the Twins would at least inquire, do not think this will happen
Buchholz is too long a contract and too dangerous to not work out for the twins to take this chance.

70charger
08-25-2012, 02:47 PM
Every player is a risk, but Buchholz is only 27, and he's been above average his entire career. (This year, he's about average, but that's the aberration.) Depending on what the Sox would require, I'd jump at the chance to get Buchholz's contract. Given the Twins' need for pitching, it would be a great get.

Of course, it seems like it's a moot point. And Jon Lester is nowhere near the same thing.

TheLeviathan
08-25-2012, 02:47 PM
I'd take a gamble on either of those pitchers. Preferably Lester with the shorter deal.

PseudoSABR
08-25-2012, 02:54 PM
Buying low on Jon Lester seems like a good idea to me. he's got a babip 30 points above last year, while his xFIP is exactly the same.

diehardtwinsfan
08-25-2012, 03:05 PM
Too bad the RedSox are selling. Morneau would be a monster in Boston with that short right porch.

PseudoSABR
08-25-2012, 03:19 PM
Morneau for Lester this offseason?

joeboo_22
08-25-2012, 03:41 PM
The deal Boston got was a good deal for Boston, they dumped a ton of salary, had to send little money with and got prospects in return. I don't know if they would want Morneau for Lester, my guess is they would be more interested in 2-3 top prospects instead. I think they want salary relief and some prospects so they can spend money in the off-season on who they want and have prospects to trade for the next big thing on the market next summer.

Top Gun
08-25-2012, 04:18 PM
I don't think the Red sox are going to sell there whole team away. To big a market for them not to be back next year. Maybe you could get
those two pitchers for Parmelee and a OF prospect. It would put the Twins right back in it, but I don't see sox trading pitching they will
hit the free agents hard.

greengoblinrulz
08-25-2012, 05:53 PM
IF Boston was goin for prospects & building from within....would they consider Lester for Parmellee (dont have a 1B ready...Lars Anderson a disappointment)/Benson/Hendriks????
3 ready made players that may not have a future in MN (convinced MN isnt high on Benson/Hendriks) & save em 20+m.
MN doesnt break up its everyday core players to get a top of rotation guy (didnt say ace tho)

USAFChief
08-25-2012, 05:56 PM
Claim them all and see what happens.

If you're awarded the waiver claim, tell Boston they can give them to you for nothing, or keep them. Their choice.

It's not like the Twins couldn't afford the salaries, if the Pohlads wanted to.

greengoblinrulz
08-25-2012, 06:10 PM
the 12m average for Lester is alot better than giving EJackson, ASanchez, etc 9/11m IMO.
Not the worst contract for a starter with his history

Monkeypaws
08-25-2012, 06:17 PM
Wow, I could see them dealing Lester, but Ellsbury and Bucholz makes no sense to me. What are they gonna build around without those guys, or Pedroia? Does Valentine have so much power he can get everybody traded?

I'd love to see the Twins grab Lester: just what the doctor ordered.

Thrylos
08-25-2012, 06:26 PM
Would getting those guys make the Twins World Series contenders in 2013?

No

Then they should pass, sell and try to rebuild for 2014 and beyond, like the Red Sox are (smartly) doing.

Monkeypaws
08-25-2012, 06:36 PM
Would getting those guys make the Twins World Series contenders in 2013?

No

Then they should pass, sell and try to rebuild for 2014 and beyond, like the Red Sox are (smartly) doing.

Lester is a left-handed stud on a ****ty team right now. I would welcome him as a one on one trade with any Twin right now.

28 year old power lefties don't grow on trees.

Willihammer
08-25-2012, 06:47 PM
Bucholz or Pedroia are welcome, not Lester. He was born in Washington but the weirdo adopted a Texas accent around the time he, Beckett, et al. went drunkard country on the BoSox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=15P5DibIqFY#t=96s). I am guissing if the Twins wouldn't even deal with Liriano's supposed (sober) mental issues, that they wouldn't be interested in Lester either.

TheLeviathan
08-25-2012, 06:57 PM
This team won't contend next year, everyone should just admit this to themselves and move on. That said - Buchholz could help this team now and in the future. Lester helps now and, if he bounces back, would have trade value with that shorter contract.

I'd rather invest available payroll into these two then dumping a bunch of money to Anibel Sanchez or someone similar.

Thrylos
08-25-2012, 07:06 PM
Would getting those guys make the Twins World Series contenders in 2013?

No

Then they should pass, sell and try to rebuild for 2014 and beyond, like the Red Sox are (smartly) doing.

Lester is a left-handed stud on a ****ty team right now. I would welcome him as a one on one trade with any Twin right now.

28 year old power lefties don't grow on trees.

Last I checked, the Twins let one of those go within the division lately...

Bark's Lounge
08-25-2012, 07:21 PM
Would getting those guys make the Twins World Series contenders in 2013?

No

Then they should pass, sell and try to rebuild for 2014 and beyond, like the Red Sox are (smartly) doing.

Lester is a left-handed stud on a ****ty team right now. I would welcome him as a one on one trade with any Twin right now.

28 year old power lefties don't grow on trees.

Last I checked, the Twins let one of those go within the division lately...

Thrylos - Great Swordsmanship. That was a quick and simple dicing of that post.

greengoblinrulz
08-25-2012, 07:28 PM
Would getting those guys make the Twins World Series contenders in 2013?

No

Then they should pass, sell and try to rebuild for 2014 and beyond, like the Red Sox are (smartly) doing.

Lester is a left-handed stud on a ****ty team right now. I would welcome him as a one on one trade with any Twin right now.

28 year old power lefties don't grow on trees.

Last I checked, the Twins let one of those go within the division lately...

Thrylos - Great Swordsmanship. That was a quick and simple dicing of that post.

change that to 28 yr old power lefties who have reached their potential at some time

Rosterman
08-25-2012, 07:50 PM
The Red Sox were able to get out of two long-term contracts, like if the Twins actually had Mauer claimed and had to think about the possibility of having that money free for more game playing. It was a situation they couldn't refuse. They can replace Crawford and Gonzalez easy and much cheaper. No need, though, to deepsix the other guys. And they just were lucky getting rid of the pitcher, too....

beckmt
08-25-2012, 09:09 PM
The Red Sox were able to get out of two long-term contracts, like if the Twins actually had Mauer claimed and had to think about the possibility of having that money free for more game playing. It was a situation they couldn't refuse. They can replace Crawford and Gonzalez easy and much cheaper. No need, though, to deepsix the other guys. And they just were lucky getting rid of the pitcher, too....
The Dodgers had to take all of them or none of them. Lester fits the bill as a Top of Rotation starter with a reasonable contract. Good start aand much better than throwing money at most of the FA pitchers out there this year. Lester is poison in Boston because of the fried chicken and beer in the clubhouse during games that group was not pitching.

kab21
08-25-2012, 09:21 PM
I think it's really unlikely that the Red Sox are going dump everyone on their roster and rebuild. This move was about dumping Crawford and Beckett w/o being on the hook for their contracts. I'm sure they didn't want to include AGonz but that's the price that they paid. In theory at least they can use that money to sign whatever FA's they want since they only have about 60M committed next season. In reality there isn't much on the FA market to spend that money on.