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Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 08:02 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?956-Introducing-the-new-Twins-Daily!

Mr. Ed
08-24-2012, 08:27 AM
Please link to the last post vs the person who wrote the last post. longer threads, that link is invaluable.

Thanks.

Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 08:42 AM
Done!

Mr. Ed
08-24-2012, 08:53 AM
Thanks. Definitely better.

davesaxton
08-24-2012, 10:39 AM
Way to many adds on the right side of the screen. I'm stationed over seas and they really slow down the network that I'm on. I love the new layout other then that.

Musk21
08-24-2012, 10:40 AM
Maybe it will take some getting used to, but not a fan of the new font at all.

Also for some reason this is running along the top when I use Firefox:


'); var sidebar_align = 'right'; var content_container_margin = parseInt('278px'); var sidebar_width = parseInt('258px'); //-->

Ultima Ratio
08-24-2012, 10:43 AM
Is it possible to let users decide if they want the older layout (where the mobile option is available: bottom left drop down)?While the boarders and some buttons are crisper, the text is squeezed too much (between ads and tools) like a twitter page. For those of us who have wide screen monitors and like the freedom to spread the browser, not having the ability is a real drawback. Right now, I feel like I'm typing in a tiny box and distracted by an entire unbroken column of ads or the right... and beyond that border (beyond the set web page size) there are ads in the unused margins further to the right. That ad in the margin also is one that follows my up/down scroll. Great. 40% of my browser is ads with this one size fits all concretization. Please give the option to go back. I'll include screen captures if need be, but I think you know what I'm saying.

Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 10:49 AM
Maybe it will take some getting used to, but not a fan of the new font at all.

Also for some reason this is running along the top when I use Firefox:

'); var sidebar_align = 'right'; var content_container_margin = parseInt('278px'); var sidebar_width = parseInt('258px'); //-->

Interesting. I've tested the theme in Firefox from the beginning and I've never seen this error. Looking at the code, I assume you're seeing it in the forums. What version of FF are you using? I've been testing under ver. 14.0 (the latest FF).

Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 10:50 AM
Way to many adds on the right side of the screen. I'm stationed over seas and they really slow down the network that I'm on. I love the new layout other then that.

We're going to be working on optimizing how the ads are handled. Thanks for the feedback, it's definitely something we're concerned about.

Loops
08-24-2012, 10:51 AM
Much more difficult to read. Everything is too squished together with my wide monitor. A third of the page is white space because of the large margins on each side.

Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 10:53 AM
Is it possible to let users decide if they want the older layout where the mobile option is available bottom left drop down. While the boarders and some buttons are crisper, the text is squeezed too much (between ads and tools) like a twitter page. For those of us who have wide screen monitors and like the freedom to spread the browser, not having the ability is a real drawback. Right now, I feel like I'm typing in a tiny box and distracted by an entire unbroken column of ads or the right... and beyond that border (beyond the set web page size there are ads in the unused margins further to the right. That ad in the margin also is one that follows my up/down scroll. Great. 40% of my browser is ads with this one size fits all concretization. Please give the option to go back. I'll include screen captures if need be, but I think you know what I'm saying.

Sorry, we're not going back to a liquid layout. There are far too many downsides to designing a site based around percentages (which is why the screen would stretch in the old version). If you look around the internet, there are very few "professional" sites that use a liquid design and there's a reason for that. It's impossible to properly control how your content is displayed and make it look good on every device known to man. On top of that, I just don't have the time to continue updating and maintaining two themes instead of one. It's twice the work (more actually, due to how difficult it is to make things look good in a liquid design).

I completely understand what you're saying, though. I use a 2550 resolution monitor, which is basically the highest res monitor you can buy for consumer use.

Ultima Ratio
08-24-2012, 11:02 AM
How about removing the "stalking ad" on the right outside the fixed browser size? I can shrink my browser (just to fit this new fixed size) to crop it out. But that's really annoying to do just for this site, just to block out this annoying ad, which apparently standard size monitors can't see anyway. A further downside to having a widescreen monitor.

Ultima Ratio
08-24-2012, 11:05 AM
Magic? It's gone!

Nope, it's still here.

Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 11:07 AM
How about removing the "stalking ad" on the right outside the fixed browser size? I can shrink my browser (just to fit this new fixed size) to crop it out. But that's really annoying to do just for this site, just to block out this annoying ad, which apparently standard size monitors can't see anyway. A further downside to having a widescreen monitor.

We're not entirely against removing the ad if the users overwhelmingly hate it but it's going to stick around for awhile so we can gauge how it performs. Remember that ads are what keep this site in operation. Without them, this site wouldn't exist.

Ultima Ratio
08-24-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm finding it more difficult to scan through the forums listings. The text color and background colors are too similar and the font seems smaller -- grayish on gray hues. Can you bring back some color, eps to links? Looking rather drab at this point and hard on the eyes. Sorry to keep nagging but I think others will agree.

luckyirish
08-24-2012, 04:32 PM
It seems harder to read the "Twins Talk", " From our Community, "From Our Nieghbors" columns on the left (or I guess not viewer friendly like before). Too much grey and needs some bolding of the headers or something. The Headers, summary of article, and posted by could be somewhat different colors. The look of those columns makes me think of ads and i dont want to read them. just my opinion.

anthonyq77
08-24-2012, 09:27 PM
Those pop up ads gotta go. They popped up at least 6 times while i was trying to post a new thread. every time i tried to scroll down one would pop up then twice after i closed it the one at the top would pop up before i could move my cursor. Maybe just moving them to a new location on the page would help?

righty8383
08-24-2012, 09:31 PM
Could you at least put the time of the last post on sidebar discussion links? Or perhaps a link to the 1st unread post?

Twins Twerp
08-24-2012, 09:52 PM
I'm freakin out about these adds man. Plus I would like to see what time the last post was on the left side of the screen. Also what person on this site would ever, ever click on the oogie loogie add? I can see the artic cat add but oogie loogie. The whole thing is annoying.

jm3319
08-24-2012, 10:13 PM
i absolutely hate sliding adds on any website. I understand they fund the site and whatnot, but there's gotta be a way to get by with only adds at the top of the page or fixed in various places on the page or something other than following you everywhere.

chaderic20
08-25-2012, 11:51 AM
To everyone complaining about ads, use FF and get the Adblock Plus plugin. Poof! The ads are all gone!

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-25-2012, 11:54 AM
To everyone complaining about ads, use FF and get the Adblock Plus plugin. Poof! The ads are all gone!

I have a feeling talking about Adblock isn't going to win you any points with the sites creators.

Yes, ads are annoying, and they are working on getting rid of the pop up ads rollover ads. But keep in mind, this is a free site, that does cost money and time to maintain. Using adblock is a pretty dick move in my opinion. Nobody is asking you to click them.

Brock Beauchamp
08-25-2012, 12:07 PM
To everyone complaining about ads, use FF and get the Adblock Plus plugin. Poof! The ads are all gone!

Yeah, that's a fantastic alternative. Block the only source of revenue from a site you frequent for free. A site that requires hundreds of man hours a month to maintain for very little to no pay.

Brilliant.

With that said, I received a full frontal assault of pop-up, pop-out and noisy ads this morning when I checked the site. I now see the complaints. That will be resolved shortly. We want to create a friendly environment that also allows us to make a little money for all the effort we put into the site, not annoy the users to the point where they never want to return to TD.

Andrew Bryz-Gornia
08-25-2012, 03:36 PM
I don't mind the ads in general, but one that was really bothersome was the Command strip ad. It kept opening, even when I didn't run my mouse over it, and after I'd close it, it would open again before I could scroll down the screen.

If that's a common problem with that particular ad, I'd recommend getting rid of it if possible.

iastfan112
08-25-2012, 11:14 PM
Is it possible to let users decide if they want the older layout where the mobile option is available bottom left drop down. While the boarders and some buttons are crisper, the text is squeezed too much (between ads and tools) like a twitter page. For those of us who have wide screen monitors and like the freedom to spread the browser, not having the ability is a real drawback. Right now, I feel like I'm typing in a tiny box and distracted by an entire unbroken column of ads or the right... and beyond that border (beyond the set web page size there are ads in the unused margins further to the right. That ad in the margin also is one that follows my up/down scroll. Great. 40% of my browser is ads with this one size fits all concretization. Please give the option to go back. I'll include screen captures if need be, but I think you know what I'm saying.

Sorry, we're not going back to a liquid layout. There are far too many downsides to designing a site based around percentages (which is why the screen would stretch in the old version). If you look around the internet, there are very few "professional" sites that use a liquid design and there's a reason for that. It's impossible to properly control how your content is displayed and make it look good on every device known to man. On top of that, I just don't have the time to continue updating and maintaining two themes instead of one. It's twice the work (more actually, due to how difficult it is to make things look good in a liquid design).

I completely understand what you're saying, though. I use a 2550 resolution monitor, which is basically the highest res monitor you can buy for consumer use.

I've noted this being a trend for awhile, I don't like it. While sites look very nice on my crappy little 1366 x 768 screen, my 1920 x 1080 laptop has a lot more "dead space" then is welcome. Can't even image how bad it would be with a 2560 x 1600.

old nurse
08-25-2012, 11:45 PM
Dan Cole once said everyone wants something for free. Love of the game is one thing, being paid for your time is the American way. Deal with it and enjoy the site. Click on an ad every once in awhile so they guys get paid for their time. I do not know why General Mills isn't a sponsor for all the Frankenberry plugs along the way.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-26-2012, 11:17 AM
Rocketpig and his lover should be the new Frankenberry spokesmens.

Land Of 10,000 Beasts
08-26-2012, 12:27 PM
How about removing the "stalking ad" on the right outside the fixed browser size?

I second that notion. I understand the necessity of ads, but that one is just annoying. Otherwise I love the new layout it's awesome.

mike wants wins
08-26-2012, 09:28 PM
I'm good with Ads. I'm good with sliding ads. I'm not thrilled with ads that pop into the middle of the screen, probably won't stop me from coming, but it is a bummer.

Twins Twerp
08-26-2012, 10:43 PM
The adds argument is bogus. If u want to make money, get a real job. These are the worst adds u could get. I used to come to this site multiple times a day. Now, I rarely come back. This was a forum to talk twins but you aholes have turned it into Christmas in july. When does the site go public? I would like to buy some stock since its so profitable to have ads on your site...just ask facebook. Sellouts. This sint the twins way. This website is run like slowey and valencia

Brock Beauchamp
08-27-2012, 09:26 AM
The adds argument is bogus. If u want to make money, get a real job. These are the worst adds u could get. I used to come to this site multiple times a day. Now, I rarely come back. This was a forum to talk twins but you aholes have turned it into Christmas in july. When does the site go public? I would like to buy some stock since its so profitable to have ads on your site...just ask facebook. Sellouts. This sint the twins way. This website is run like slowey and valencia

If that's the way you feel, I invite you to leave and never, ever come back. We spend hundreds of hours putting this site together every month. if you can't appreciate that, we will shed no tears if you go somewhere else.

To respond to your "real job" statement: If you want an ad-free website, go build one.

Brock Beauchamp
08-27-2012, 09:40 AM
I'm good with Ads. I'm good with sliding ads. I'm not thrilled with ads that pop into the middle of the screen, probably won't stop me from coming, but it is a bummer.

We are working on it. I've been out of town the past few days for a funeral but I'll be back later today and will try to resolve the problem.

CDog
08-27-2012, 09:46 AM
I'm not sure if this is the place for suggestions or feedback, or if it would be better in the Suggestions forum. But, since both my comments are related to the new look, I'll make them here.

1) Pretty minor, but I don't like that if I don't have the window maximized, I can's see the full width of the posts. Having to scroll side-to-side to read posts isn't much fun. I likely won't check-in as much during work where I don't like to have my internet window maximized. I know, I know...I probably shouldn't be coming here as much as I do during those hours anyway...

2) I very much miss having the time of the latest post included on the left hand side list of recently commented on forums. Especially when I'm checking in semi-often, it was nice to be able to refresh and see what's new since the last time with the time stamp.

Brock Beauchamp
08-27-2012, 09:49 AM
Hmm. A lot of you used that time stamp. I'll look into possibly adding it back in.

mike wants wins
08-27-2012, 09:57 AM
Thanks Brock, hope all is well. As for the date stamp, yes, that was nice, very nice.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-27-2012, 10:34 AM
The adds argument is bogus. If u want to make money, get a real job. These are the worst adds u could get. I used to come to this site multiple times a day. Now, I rarely come back. This was a forum to talk twins but you aholes have turned it into Christmas in july. When does the site go public? I would like to buy some stock since its so profitable to have ads on your site...just ask facebook. Sellouts. This sint the twins way. This website is run like slowey and valencia
My favorite part of this post (there are many to choose from: Poor spelling, grammar, etc) is perhaps the fact that he thinks facebook is somehow a bad business model to follow.

Also, I would never suggest anyone use an ad blocker, but if a sliding ad and a couple 300 x 250 ad units cause you this much stress/frustration perhaps you should invest into that idea.

It should also be noted that ESPN.com and other top sports sites use more annoying things such as: Auto Play ads, pop ups, expandables etc as well.

Also I can't speak for the founders of this site, but I'm pretty sure the idea with the ads aren't "Lets try to make a ton of money for ourselves!" More they are hoping the ads cover the serving costs, labor costs? and maybe lets them pocket a few extra dollars for all their hours they put in throughout the days/weeks/months.

Brock Beauchamp
08-27-2012, 03:21 PM
I added the time stamp back into the post. I want to eliminate the "Today" part of the text to shorten it up but I don't have the energy for that today. I'll look into it later.

alarp33
08-27-2012, 03:42 PM
I understand that ads are a necessity to keep a site like this running, but put me in the camp that is far less likely to visit in the current format (sliding ads, distracting ads, ads in the middle, etc)

Brock Beauchamp
08-28-2012, 03:33 PM
Just so everyone is updated, we're working on removing the pop-out ads. Those are the ads that appear to look like a normal ad but then expand to 3-5 times the normal size (and sometimes blare sound at you, to boot).

If you continue to see them, please let us know. I haven't seen any in the past 24 hours but I never saw them much in the first place.

Twins Twerp
08-28-2012, 03:44 PM
Nice to see the pop up ads gone. Much easier to view. Sorry for going crazy on yo' a$$ and for posting via android device. I may add that with my android device, I still had the popup ads and that is what was driving me crazy, because I couldn't close it until the ad was completely done downloading (slow network makes for long load times).

Now, the site seems to be more normal and user friendly, thanks for taking the constructive (almost bullyish) criticism.

Brock Beauchamp
08-28-2012, 03:56 PM
Nice to see the pop up ads gone. Much easier to view. Sorry for going crazy on yo' a$$ and for posting via android device. I may add that with my android device, I still had the popup ads and that is what was driving me crazy, because I couldn't close it until the ad was completely done downloading (slow network makes for long load times).

Now, the site seems to be more normal and user friendly, thanks for taking the constructive (almost bullyish) criticism.

No worries, I know users get pissed when their favorite site feels like it has been attacked by advertisers and ruins their experience. When it comes to ads, it's a tough game. I don't see the ads you see. John doesn't see the ads I see. Therefore, it's hard to know exactly how you're seeing the website. We try to provide a consistent experience but some things are out of our hands and we rely on the community to let us know what they're seeing/doing. In the case of ads, it was obnoxious. When I finally saw the pop-out ads, I completely sympathized with the complaints in this thread. I hate those things just as much as the rest of you.

Anyway, the problem is *hopefully* resolved. If it continues, please let us know.

Also, why aren't you viewing the site on the mobile browser? Or are you using an Android tablet instead of phone?