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Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 09:01 AM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?955-Series-Preview-Twins-vs-Rangers-8-23-8-26

Lineups:

Twins:
Denard Span CF
Ben Revere RF
Joe Mauer C
Josh Willingham DH
Justin Morneau 1B
Ryan Doumit LF
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Jamey Carroll 2B
Pedro Florimon SS
(Scott Diamond P)

Rangers:
Ian Kinsler 2B
Elvis Andrus DH
Josh Hamilton CF
Adrian Beltre 3B
Nelson Cruz RF
Michael Young SS
David Murphy LF
Geovany Soto C
Michael Olt 1B
(Roy Oswalt P)

LimestoneBaggy
08-23-2012, 12:30 PM
Brock, The lead-in picture wins the award for most hilarious pitching face duo.

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 12:49 PM
Brock, The lead-in picture wins the award for most hilarious pitching face duo.

Scott Diamond's "OOMPH" face is classic. I stopped trying to find pictures where he wasn't making that face and embraced it.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 01:19 PM
Diamond, Deduno, Duensing, and DeVries... All of the filler Ds in one series. This rotation is awful.

Coach J
08-23-2012, 01:33 PM
What's the over/under for Rangers runs scored this series??




Diamond, Deduno, Duensing, and DeVries... All of the filler Ds in one series. This rotation is awful.

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 01:41 PM
What's the over/under for Rangers runs scored this series??

180.

I'm taking the over.

SweetOne69
08-23-2012, 01:46 PM
What's the over/under for the runs scored by the Twins? I'll take the under @ 8 runs.

So far on this road trip (6 games) the Twins have scored 15 runs and 7 of those came in 1 game. So far the have scored: 3,2,1,7,1,1

JB_Iowa
08-23-2012, 04:16 PM
So I see that Span plans to be in the line-up playing CF tonight. Where's the rest of the line-up (don't mean you, Brock -- can't find it on Twitter either).

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 04:18 PM
So I see that Span plans to be in the line-up playing CF tonight. Where's the rest of the line-up (don't mean you, Brock -- can't find it on Twitter either).

The Twins are lagging, as usual. I think Gardy has to be one of the slowest managers in MLB to post a lineup. The Twins almost always post their lineup after the opposing team.

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 05:49 PM
Span is finally back in the lineup. Given how long it was taking for the Twins to post it, I feared the worst.

diehardtwinsfan
08-23-2012, 05:55 PM
Span is finally back in the lineup. Given how long it was taking for the Twins to post it, I feared the worst.

I wouldn't call it over yet. He will play one game and then get sat for 2 more before going on the DL with a bruised femur.

Bark's Lounge
08-23-2012, 06:01 PM
If the Twins are going to win a game this series - tonight is the night. Oswalt has been awful thus far. Twins plate 11 tonight, led by Morneau's 2HR's and 5 RBI's and Revere going 4 for 6 with 4 runs scored and 2SB's (Fingers Crossed). Final score 11-6 Twins

ofx1
08-23-2012, 06:08 PM
Diamond, Deduno, Duensing, and DeVries... All of the filler Ds in one series. This rotation is awful.

Diamond has a 2.95 ERA over 19 starts. Leave him out of your "awful" opinion and "filler Ds" cuteness.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 06:34 PM
Our best chance by far comes in game 1

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 06:37 PM
Our best chance by far comes in game 1

Without a doubt. Oswalt has strugggled and if Diamond can keep the ball on the ground, the Twins have a shot tonight.

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 06:39 PM
Willingham has been scratched, btw. sore neck.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 06:46 PM
Does anyone here have any good sites for streaming games? I don't have mlb.tv and am habitually frustrated by not being able to watch the Twins

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 06:50 PM
Does anyone here have any good sites for streaming games? I don't have mlb.tv and am habitually frustrated by not being able to watch the Twins

Outside of MLB.tv I've never found a reliable source. I'd suggest subscribing to that service. twenty bucks a month is pretty cheap for ~25 games.

Mahukey
08-23-2012, 06:50 PM
darn, I really wanted to see that triple he promised;)

B Richard
08-23-2012, 06:54 PM
Outside of MLB.tv I've never found a reliable source. I'd suggest subscribing to that service. twenty bucks a month is pretty cheap for ~25 games.



Yeah I always watch the free game of the day on mlb.com and the quality is fantastic, if I weren't a broke college kid I would pony up the cash

USAFChief
08-23-2012, 07:25 PM
Great start for Diamond.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 07:28 PM
Gave Andrus waaayy too much to hit in an 0-2 count

B Richard
08-23-2012, 07:33 PM
Florimon to the rescue, great catch

snepp
08-23-2012, 07:35 PM
Well, Diamond has matched his season high for walks.

USAFChief
08-23-2012, 07:43 PM
Hate to say it, but Plouffsey has looked pretty brutal since coming back. Not just the lack of hits, but some awful ABs and bad swings. I wonder if the thumb is healthy.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 07:45 PM
Great throw by Carson

kydoty
08-23-2012, 07:56 PM
Hamilton better watch it. He might get one in the ribcage tonight.

kydoty
08-23-2012, 08:06 PM
**** you, Wally Bell!!! **** you right in your ****ing neck!

B Richard
08-23-2012, 08:09 PM
Was either dugout warned even prior??? That is such bs, let em play

notoriousgod71
08-23-2012, 08:10 PM
OK I just turned it on right before Diamond got ejected. I didn't see the Mauer HBP. Was it that obvious?

edavis0308
08-23-2012, 08:10 PM
I was making dinner. Why did oswalt even hit mauer?

TwinsGuy55422
08-23-2012, 08:11 PM
I hope Gardy took his blood pressure meds!

Danchat
08-23-2012, 08:11 PM
Very nice... Diamond throws a pitch right at Hamiliton's head. Misses. Diamond ejected. Fail.
It's about time Gardy got ejected.
EDIT: There was no need for Mauer to be hit (in the neck) because he was in a 3-0 count. Twins just getting back at Texas.

notoriousgod71
08-23-2012, 08:12 PM
At any rate, Diamond just earned a little more respect in my book. Just unfortunate it was only 87 mph.

kydoty
08-23-2012, 08:12 PM
OK I just turned it on right before Diamond got ejected. I didn't see the Mauer HBP. Was it that obvious?

3-0 count and a fastball right in his upper back. You damn right it was intentional.

And Diamond gets tossed for a retalitory pitch that doesn't even hit Hamilton and with no warning from Wally Bell.

So in the end, we lose our pitcher, Hamilton goes unscathed, and Oswalt remains in the game.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 08:12 PM
Oswalt lost command on a 3-0 pitch and it hit Mauer in the upper back. It wasnt a direct plunk, more of a glancing blow really. Neither dugout was warned I believe, but then Diamond gets tossed. Ridiculous

kydoty
08-23-2012, 08:14 PM
**** it, this team is going nowhere anyway. If I was running the team, the first pitch from Swarzak would've gone right back to Hamilton just like Diamond's.

BD57
08-23-2012, 08:14 PM
Does anyone here have any good sites for streaming games? I don't have mlb.tv and am habitually frustrated by not being able to watch the Twins

iPhone app works well for audio, not bad for video (if signal strength is decent).

notoriousgod71
08-23-2012, 08:16 PM
Intentionally hitting Albert Belle has to be the ballsiest thing ever done on a baseball field.

BD57
08-23-2012, 08:16 PM
Things like this are the biggest "downside" of the DH. If Oswalt had to hit, we could drill him in retaliation.

notoriousgod71
08-23-2012, 08:17 PM
OK I just turned it on right before Diamond got ejected. I didn't see the Mauer HBP. Was it that obvious?

3-0 count and a fastball right in his upper back. You damn right it was intentional.

And Diamond gets tossed for a retalitory pitch that doesn't even hit Hamilton and with no warning from Wally Bell.

So in the end, we lose our pitcher, Hamilton goes unscathed, and Oswalt remains in the game.

We could make it like the Padres-Braves game from '84 where four guys got ejected for throwing at Pascual Perez.

twinsnorth49
08-23-2012, 08:18 PM
**** it, this team is going nowhere anyway. If I was running the team, the first pitch from Swarzak would've gone right back to Hamilton just like Diamond's.

That would have just put a bullseye on our next batter, the nonsense has to end sometime. Diamond made his point, crock of s**t he was ejected!

Kobs
08-23-2012, 08:19 PM
Things like this are the biggest "downside" of the DH. If Oswalt had to hit, we could drill him in retaliation.

Well, maybe not drill him, but they could throw a ball in his general direction.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 08:19 PM
Does anyone here have any good sites for streaming games? I don't have mlb.tv and am habitually frustrated by not being able to watch the Twins

iPhone app works well for audio, not bad for video (if signal strength is decent).


Ah, if only I had an iPhone... appreciate it though

Milkman
08-23-2012, 08:21 PM
Things like this are the biggest "downside" of the DH. If Oswalt had to hit, we could drill him in retaliation.
Even if this was the NL wouldn't they still be going after Hamilton? I mean why put an auto out on first base? I don't watch enough NL baseball to know so please let me know if my assumptions are way off.

crarko
08-23-2012, 08:22 PM
Joe has really good bat control; I could see a line drive back through the mound, and any possible occupant.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 08:23 PM
Things like this are the biggest "downside" of the DH. If Oswalt had to hit, we could drill him in retaliation.
Even if this was the NL wouldn't they still be going after Hamilton? I mean why put an auto out on first base? I don't watch enough NL baseball to know so please let me know if my assumptions are way off.


I personally didn't think Mauer getting hit was intentional, but the Twins had to do something. Pitchers really don't get thrown at as part of the "unspoken rules" I believe nowadays. In the NL if the exact same thing happened I don't think we'd still be throwing at Hamilton after 1 miss because Mauer's getting hit wasn't too egregious.

IdahoPilgrim
08-23-2012, 08:33 PM
**** it, this team is going nowhere anyway. If I was running the team, the first pitch from Swarzak would've gone right back to Hamilton just like Diamond's.

Both benches were warned after Diamond's pitch. All it would have done is get Swarzak tossed as well.

Be patient. This is a four-game series. Guarantee he gets nailed before they finish up Sunday.

JB_Iowa
08-23-2012, 08:35 PM
I also don't think that Oswalt hit Mauer intentionally. Oswalt did not have particularly good command earlier.

The ump had no choice but to eject Diamond. He threw too close to Hamilton's head. He could have plunked him on the butt or the back instead of throwing it in the area of the head.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 08:38 PM
Yeah I'd be surprised if not tonight but over the weekend Hamilton doesn't end up taking one in the ribs

Milkman
08-23-2012, 08:38 PM
I also don't think that Oswalt hit Mauer intentionally. Oswalt did not have particularly good command earlier.

The ump had no choice but to eject Diamond. He threw too close to Hamilton's head. He could have plunked him on the butt or the back instead of throwing it in the area of the head.

I'm on the fence on if it was intentional, leaning toward "if I'm gonna miss, I'm gonna miss inside" but even so that is still some HORRIBLE control.

Coach J
08-23-2012, 08:41 PM
I have to think Diamond missed his location there pretty bad.. I have never met anyone or ever heard of a player trying to hit another player in the head(possibly Pedro Martinez). Bad move on Diamonds part.. hits him in the putt and he doesn't get ejected

Riverbrian
08-23-2012, 08:51 PM
Who knows for sure but I'd have to say... Intentional... 3 0 base open Mauer at the plate. Frustrated pitcher over botched run down... Plus a Veteren pitcher who has his mechanics down and an old school attitude.

I think Mauer got plunked on purpose and Washington probably didn't like it.

IdahoPilgrim
08-23-2012, 08:52 PM
I have to think Diamond missed his location there pretty bad.. I have never met anyone or ever heard of a player trying to hit another player in the head(possibly Pedro Martinez). Bad move on Diamonds part.. hits him in the putt and he doesn't get ejected

I would agree - he hits him in the back or leg, Hamilton goes to first, the ump warns both benches, and the incident is over. Ump had no choice with where Diamond's pitch went. My guess, though, is that we'll get the benefit of the doubt on any close calls the rest of the game.

JB_Iowa
08-23-2012, 08:53 PM
I'm on the fence on if it was intentional, leaning toward "if I'm gonna miss, I'm gonna miss inside" but even so that is still some HORRIBLE control.

That's the problem though. Maybe Oswalt was aiming at Mauer. Maybe he was just trying to pitch inside. Or maybe he just missed completely.

It's pretty much impossible to tell ... and that's probably why the ump didn't do anything then. With Diamond's throw, there was no question it was retaliation and it it was thrown high.

B Richard
08-23-2012, 08:55 PM
Who knows for sure but I'd have to say... Intentional... 3 0 base open Mauer at the plate. Frustrated pitcher over botched run down... Plus a Veteren pitcher who has his mechanics down and an old school attitude.

I think Mauer got plunked on purpose and Washington probably didn't like it.


I'm starting to think it was intentional. Maybe this is irrelevant but the Texas announcers mentioned Mauer is something like a career 9 for 11 off of Oswalt

JB_Iowa
08-23-2012, 08:56 PM
Well, Oswalt is gone now anyway.

IdahoPilgrim
08-23-2012, 09:00 PM
It will be interesting to see what, if anything, comes of this after the league office reviews the umpire's report. If they think Oswalt's throw was intentional, he may not be out of the clear either.

IdahoPilgrim
08-23-2012, 09:03 PM
It is poetic justice that Oswalt can't get the win!

Mauerzy4Prez
08-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Oswalt lost command on a 3-0 pitch and it hit Mauer in the upper back. It wasnt a direct plunk, more of a glancing blow really. Neither dugout was warned I believe, but then Diamond gets tossed. Ridiculous

Oswald is a veteran pitcher that is known for his control... If you don't think that was intentional then watch it again. It hit Joe in the U in Mauer, and was a 3-0 count. Nobody was warned which is ridiculous. That's bush Wash, just bush!

JB_Iowa
08-23-2012, 09:06 PM
The Twins have been playing pretty apathetically on this road trip. Maybe Oswalt gave them a figurative kick in the butt via Mauer's shoulder.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-23-2012, 09:07 PM
Well at least we got some redemption! Wally Bell just took a ball straight off the top of his forearm... Try and throw somebody out now Wally Boy!

B Richard
08-23-2012, 09:11 PM
Oswald is a veteran pitcher that is known for his control... If you don't think that was intentional then watch it again. It hit Joe in the U in Mauer, and was a 3-0 count. Nobody was warned which is ridiculous. That's bush Wash, just bush!


He posted an ERA of 6 this year going into the series, so I'd say it's fair to say he hasn't exactly been a control-artist this year. With that said, I do agree and think it was intentional now, especially in light of the play he blew just before. I hope somebody catches one in the ribs before this is all done.

Ted666
08-23-2012, 09:11 PM
That's quite the outfield positioning for Mauer

IdahoPilgrim
08-23-2012, 09:12 PM
Well at least we got some redemption! Wally Bell just took a ball straight off the top of his forearm... Try and throw somebody out now Wally Boy!

He had no choice but to throw Diamond out, given the location near the head.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-23-2012, 09:26 PM
Oswald is a veteran pitcher that is known for his control... If you don't think that was intentional then watch it again. It hit Joe in the U in Mauer, and was a 3-0 count. Nobody was warned which is ridiculous. That's bush Wash, just bush!


He posted an ERA of 6 this year going into the series, so I'd say it's fair to say he hasn't exactly been a control-artist this year. With that said, I do agree and think it was intentional now, especially in light of the play he blew just before. I hope somebody catches one in the ribs before this is all done.

I don't know if an elevated ERA this year would leave to a lack of control that bad! Usually lack of control in a high ERA type guy means he's leaving it up in the middle of the plate. Not hitting his spots on the corners...

Either way as you said, I don't think we have seen the last of this little tiff. Probably later on in the series somebody will take one again.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-23-2012, 09:30 PM
Well at least we got some redemption! Wally Bell just took a ball straight off the top of his forearm... Try and throw somebody out now Wally Boy!

He had no choice but to throw Diamond out, given the location near the head.

You're absolutely right he had no choice. League rules state if a pitcher makes it look that intentional the ump must eject him. However it doesn't make it right that we got the s***end of the stick and they didn't even get a warning. Still as a die hard twins fan and Mauer bobo I have to say I felt a small victory inside when Wally took that ball off the arm.

pjnelly
08-23-2012, 09:34 PM
Here are some facts:

Oswalt hits Mauer on a 3-0 pitch. Doumit and Morneau both strike out to end the inning while their manager is pacing in the dugout and obviously pissed off.

We can't really be positive if Oswalt threw at Mauer intentionally, but he was probably not as tense as Doumit or Morneau when facing them after plunking Mauer. I think it was intentional and pretty brilliant on Oswalt's part if in fact it was intentional--he gets out of the inning unscathed, pisses off the other team into having some bad at-bats, and gets two others from the opposing team thrown out of the game while he gets to stay in. Great pitching if you ask me!

IdahoPilgrim
08-23-2012, 09:35 PM
You're absolutely right he had no choice. League rules state if a pitcher makes it look that intentional the ump must eject him. However it doesn't make it right that we got the ### of the stick and they didn't even get a warning. Still as a die hard twins fan and Mauer bobo I have to say I felt a small victory inside when Wally took that ball off the arm.

I was kinda surprised when Wally Bell didn't warn both sides after Oswalt's pitch, but then I figured he was giving the Twins a chance for payback. If Diamond hits Hamilton in the back or leg, Hamilton takes first, Diamond stays in the game, and then Bell warns both sides - after they are even. Didn't work out that way.

Tcrose3636
08-23-2012, 09:51 PM
Here are some facts:

Oswalt hits Mauer on a 3-0 pitch. Doumit and Morneau both strike out to end the inning while their manager is pacing in the dugout and obviously pissed off.

We can't really be positive if Oswalt threw at Mauer intentionally, but he was probably not as tense as Doumit or Morneau when facing them after plunking Mauer. I think it was intentional and pretty brilliant on Oswalt's part if in fact it was intentional--he gets out of the inning unscathed, pisses off the other team into having some bad at-bats, and gets two others from the opposing team thrown out of the game while he gets to stay in. Great pitching if you ask me!

Brilliant the way it turned out, but it could have also got Hamilton killed if it did hit him in the head (I don't really mean killed but hurt pretty badly). That is probably why Wash wad pacing back and fourth in the dugout. It was just plain stupid, you have your team competing for the playoffs and you do something dumb like that against a bad team, your team and your best offensive player are the only ones that you can really hurt in that situation.

gil4
08-23-2012, 09:56 PM
Does anyone here have any good sites for streaming games? I don't have mlb.tv and am habitually frustrated by not being able to watch the Twins


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Bark's Lounge
08-23-2012, 09:59 PM
The HBP was definitely intentional. I would think the Rangers must seriously regret signing this guy - he has pitched like S@#t, he says he will not pitch out of the bullpen if he is demoted on a team that has the guns to win it all, and then he goes and pulls a bulls@#t move liking hitting Mauer on a 3-0 count after he makes a bone-headed fielding play, looking like a spoiled arrogant brat all the while. Seeing the look on his face after his fielding mishap was all I needed to see to know the HBP was intentional. I cannot imagine Ron Washington or many of his teammates were thrilled with Oswalt's actions... honestly it would not surprise me if Texas gets rid of him soon. Oswalt has been good in the past and you never heard anything bad about him - I guess this is Roy's bad person year and probably his last as a player.

ashburyjohn
08-23-2012, 10:01 PM
Totally random thought: I was glancing at Yahoo Sports' in-game box score page, and it shows Doumit facing Mike Adams at the moment, and darned if the two photos don't look like randomly generated player photos in this computer game I used to play. You'd think they could find a better photo of Doumit at least; Adams, I am afraid he just looks like a Sim, period.
21092110

Ultima Ratio
08-23-2012, 10:04 PM
So can Plouffesie field a position? That's just bad x2

notoriousgod71
08-23-2012, 10:10 PM
The Twins have been playing pretty apathetically on this road trip. Maybe Oswalt gave them a figurative kick in the butt via Mauer's shoulder.


Doesn't look like it by our eighth inning "fielding".

Top Gun
08-23-2012, 10:13 PM
Twins just giving it away.

wavedog
08-23-2012, 10:15 PM
Falling apart - can't hit, pitch or field - other than that good game. I am about to give up on Plouffe at third - he can't field.

JB_Iowa
08-23-2012, 10:17 PM
The Twins have been playing pretty apathetically on this road trip. Maybe Oswalt gave them a figurative kick in the butt via Mauer's shoulder.


Doesn't look like it by our eighth inning "fielding".


Or pitching

wavedog
08-23-2012, 10:17 PM
Sad thing is this was the one game of the series they had a chance to win. Only going to get worse from here on out.

notoriousgod71
08-23-2012, 10:19 PM
Falling apart - can't hit, pitch or field - other than that good game. I am about to give up on Plouffe at third - he can't field.

Or hit.

snepp
08-23-2012, 10:26 PM
Remember when it was 4-4?

ashburyjohn
08-23-2012, 10:27 PM
Remember when it was 4-4?

Good times, those were. Good times.

Top Gun
08-23-2012, 10:40 PM
Joe Nate time!

TheLeviathan
08-23-2012, 11:13 PM
Falling apart - can't hit, pitch or field - other than that good game. I am about to give up on Plouffe at third - he can't field.

Too soon. Just like it is too soon to rush to the "Plouffe is our starter at third now for the next decade", it's too soon to judge based on the last dozen games.

But frankly, his herculian power surge was always most likely to be a fluke - we can hope though.

Brock Beauchamp
08-23-2012, 11:58 PM
Look at that box score and soak it in, folks... Jeff Gray was the pitcher of the night for the Twins.

diehardtwinsfan
08-24-2012, 09:15 AM
Just my two cents, but I'm trying to figure out exactly why Oswalt would want to hit Mauer in that situation. It isn't as though he was retaliating against something.

That said, I don't have a problem throwing at someone, but I have a huge issue with throwing at someone's head where you have a potential career ending or life threatening injury. If you are going to do it intentionally, put it right on his thigh which will leave a nice bruise and slow him down for a game or two, but at the head is classless and should warrant a rather long suspension.

IdahoPilgrim
08-24-2012, 09:43 AM
Just my two cents, but I'm trying to figure out exactly why Oswalt would want to hit Mauer in that situation. It isn't as though he was retaliating against something.

That said, I don't have a problem throwing at someone, but I have a huge issue with throwing at someone's head where you have a potential career ending or life threatening injury. If you are going to do it intentionally, put it right on his thigh which will leave a nice bruise and slow him down for a game or two, but at the head is classless and should warrant a rather long suspension.

Mauer had doubled in the first Twins run in the first inning, and the Twins had just tied the game on a Texas error (Oswalt probably frustrated at that). Runner in scoring position with one out, best player up with a possible rally. That's why Oswalt threw at him. And it worked - they got out of the inning with no more damage.

powrwrap
08-24-2012, 10:35 AM
Be patient. This is a four-game series. Guarantee he gets nailed before they finish up Sunday.

The Twins should have pitched to Hamilton normally on his next immediate at bat and then plunked him in his successive at bat.

wavedog
08-24-2012, 11:23 AM
Plouffe's display of defense in the 8th inning was close to Little League quality. I read where Gardy was on him to be more ready to react when the ball was hit and he looked a little slow on the first 2 hit to him in the inning so that worries me. Granted they were rocket shots - not exactly dribblers but it looked like he could have done better on the 2nd one which he correctly got charged for an error on. The 3rd miscue was moving back on the grounder which resulted in a late throw to first base. 4th was fielding the grounder and then running late to the 3rd base bag before throwing to first where he did make that throw in time. It was getting painfully embarrasing to watch. Perhaps these are all correctable - I don't know if we have an infielder instructor - I know Plouffe has moved around to many positions but he needs to gain some confidence.


In regards to the hit batsmen, Oswalt's control looked pretty good last night except for that pitch to Mauer. At 3-0 you usually look to groove one down the middle so I am pretty sure that was on purpose - why? who knows. The moral of the story with the current rules is make sure you are the first pitcher doing the hitting in the game. Interesting to see if Diamond gets suspended for this, if so it would seem Oswalt should also get the same suspension.

powrwrap
08-24-2012, 11:29 AM
Plouffe's display of defense in the 8th inning was close to Little League quality. I read where Gardy was on him to be more ready to react when the ball was hit and he looked a little slow on the first 2 hit to him in the inning so that worries me. Granted they were rocket shots - not exactly dribblers but it looked like he could have done better on the 2nd one which he correctly got charged for an error on. The 3rd miscue was moving back on the grounder which resulted in a late throw to first base. 4th was fielding the grounder and then running late to the 3rd base bag before throwing to first where he did make that throw in time. It was getting painfully embarrasing to watch.

Yep, on the 3rd one you mentioned Plouffe should have charged the ball and stepped on 3rd rather than try to throw out Andrus. Apparently he realized his mistake and tried to do that on the 4th play you mentioned but figured he'd never get there in time so threw to Morneau at 1st base.

Brock Beauchamp
08-24-2012, 11:41 AM
I'm not going to fault Plouffe for screwing up at third. He hasn't had much time there and third base is probably the most unique position on the field outside of catcher. It's all about reaction time and that takes some adjustment.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-24-2012, 12:49 PM
Just my two cents, but I'm trying to figure out exactly why Oswalt would want to hit Mauer in that situation. It isn't as though he was retaliating against something.

That said, I don't have a problem throwing at someone, but I have a huge issue with throwing at someone's head where you have a potential career ending or life threatening injury. If you are going to do it intentionally, put it right on his thigh which will leave a nice bruise and slow him down for a game or two, but at the head is classless and should warrant a rather long suspension.

While I agree with you that throwing at a players head is ridiculous, and should never be done intentionally. I highly doubt that Diamond was looking to hit Hamilton in the head. We all have said he should have gone for his thigh, or back, or ribs, etc.... and I honestly think that is where he was aiming. But to try and target a spot on a batter and hit him is extremely difficult to do. No matter who is throwing the ball. Not to mention that Hamilton totally knew a ball was coming right at him, and leaned forward to avoid being hit. Which IMO, is why it looked as if the ball was going for his head. If he stand there and takes it like a man, he gets hit in the upper right arm or roughly the same place Mauer did.