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Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 01:13 PM
Twins:
Ben Revere CF
Alexi Casilla 2B
Joe Mauer 1B
Josh Willingham LF
Ryan Doumit DH
Matt Carson RF
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Drew Butera C
Pedro Florimon SS
(Liam Hendriks P)

Billy Beanes:
Coco Crisp CF
Stephen Drew SS
Josh Reddick RF
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Chris Carter 1B
Seth Smith DH
Josh Donaldson 3B
George Kottaras C
Cliff Pennington 2B
(Tommy Milone P)

snepp
08-22-2012, 01:26 PM
A .547 OPS "hitting" second, and just .424 since the start of July.


Play second, bat second!

old nurse
08-22-2012, 01:33 PM
I feel sorry for Hendricks. He might have to pitch a shutout to avoid a loss.

jokin
08-22-2012, 01:38 PM
Twins:
Ben Revere CF
Alexi Casilla 2B
Joe Mauer 1B
Josh Willingham LF
Ryan Doumit DH
Matt Carson RF
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Drew Butera C
Pedro Florimon SS
(Liam Hendriks P)

Billy Beanes:
Coco Crisp CF
Stephen Drew SS
Josh Reddick RF
Yoenis Cespedes LF
Chris Carter 1B
Seth Smith DH
Josh Donaldson 3B
George Kottaras C
Cliff Pennington 2B
(Tommy Milone P)

Sal Jr got his caddying job back?

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 01:42 PM
For those of us unswayed by 'balance' in the lineup arguments, and more concerned with stringing hits together in succession to score runs, the lineup should read:

Revere, Mauer, Hammer, Doumit, Plouffe, Carson, Casilla, Florimon, Butera.

jokin
08-22-2012, 01:46 PM
For those of us unswayed by 'balance' in the lineup arguments, and more concerned with stringing hits together in succession to score runs, the lineup should read:

Revere, Mauer, Hammer, Doumit, Plouffe, Carson, Casilla, Florimon, Butera.

I concur, with the exception of my own preference for an on-base guy at the bottom of the order to set up the turnover back to the top and improve the odds of hit-stringing- ie, I'd flip Florimon with Butera.

IdahoPilgrim
08-22-2012, 01:52 PM
For those of us unswayed by 'balance' in the lineup arguments, and more concerned with stringing hits together in succession to score runs, the lineup should read:

Revere, Mauer, Hammer, Doumit, Plouffe, Carson, Casilla, Florimon, Butera.

I agree that Florimon would be better ninth. I also wonder why bat Plouffe as high as he is - he is in a massive slump. Carson or even Casilla might be a better choice until he gets his bat working again.

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 02:51 PM
And Liam walks the first batter.

And now a wild pitch.

Aw, come on...

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 02:53 PM
What's the over/under on how many innings of this game I'm going to watch? 2?

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 02:54 PM
Hendriks' line predictions anyone?

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 02:59 PM
Well, I can live with one run. Hopefully he settles and stops throwing so high in the zone.

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 03:02 PM
He's so dang nervous... got to get past that or he'll never be effective. I'm thinking 4 ER on 5 IP 3K 3 BB

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 03:05 PM
Bad luck, Trevor.

righty8383
08-22-2012, 03:07 PM
In the 1st inning, Coco Crisp did a fake bunt with a 3-0 count. That reminds me, the little League World Series is on.

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 03:12 PM
It'd be so great to get Liam a win right off the bat. He needs to get over the stigma of being winless, it seems.

TwinsGuy55422
08-22-2012, 03:13 PM
Way to field your position, Liam!

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Damn. What a play by Florimon.

TwinsGuy55422
08-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Good second inning for Stifler. Way to help your pitcher Pedro!

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 03:15 PM
Damn. What a play by Florimon.

I don't think Dozier makes that play... Carroll either for that matter.

IdahoPilgrim
08-22-2012, 03:16 PM
I'm following the game on MLB's Gameday - it looks like the ump today has a small strike zone. Does that correspond to what people watching the game are seeing, or am I getting bad intel?

minn55441
08-22-2012, 03:16 PM
It'd be so great to get Liam a win right off the bat. He needs to get over the stigma of being winless, it seems.

It's obviously all in his head. He just needs a win to know he can do it and he belongs on a major league roster. Once he relaxes a little, I would think that he can have the same success he had in Rochester.

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 03:18 PM
I'm following the game on MLB's Gameday - it looks like the ump today has a small strike zone. Does that correspond to what people watching the game are seeing, or am I getting bad intel?

Nah... can't say that with any confidence at this point. Just that low ball which should have been a strike (Liam's pitch for the K).

minn55441
08-22-2012, 03:18 PM
Why did we have Dozier up all season with this guy playing in Rochester. I don't care if hits .500 or .200 if he can keep making plays like that every game, we need him at short.

TwinVike61
08-22-2012, 03:20 PM
Why did we have Dozier up all season with this guy playing in Rochester. I don't care if hits .500 or .200 if he can keep making plays like that every game, we need him at short.

Is that you, Gardy?

minn55441
08-22-2012, 03:22 PM
Why did we have Dozier up all season with this guy playing in Rochester. I don't care if hits .500 or .200 if he can keep making plays like that every game, we need him at short.

Is that you, Gardy?

They just installed Wi-Fi in the Oakland dugout this morning.

DPJ
08-22-2012, 03:23 PM
.255 OBP hitting 2nd...top notch Mr Gardenhire.

TwinsGuy55422
08-22-2012, 03:24 PM
The ump does seem to be giving some on the outside corner but he definitely does not seem to want to call the strike at the knees.

IdahoPilgrim
08-22-2012, 03:24 PM
Why did we have Dozier up all season with this guy playing in Rochester. I don't care if hits .500 or .200 if he can keep making plays like that every game, we need him at short.

To be fair, at the start of the season I heard a number of pundits thinking Dozier was ready (it was actually a little bit of a surprise he started in Rochester) and Florimon wasn't even on the radar scope. He's played his way into this over the season.

TwinsGuy55422
08-22-2012, 03:27 PM
It'd be so great to get Liam a win right off the bat. He needs to get over the stigma of being winless, it seems.

It's obviously all in his head. He just needs a win to know he can do it and he belongs on a major league roster. Once he relaxes a little, I would think that he can have the same success he had in Rochester.

I would tend to agree. He clearly has the stuff to pitch up here. He just seems to be pressing. I would imagine that one good outing would really help his confidence and just let him focus on pitching.

Brock Beauchamp
08-22-2012, 03:35 PM
Nice hit by Cespedes. Hard to do much about that (except not allow the bases to load in the first place).

minn55441
08-22-2012, 03:40 PM
Wow, lots of trouble with pop ups and fly balls today. Wasn't sure Josh was going to catch that one.

Mr. Ed
08-22-2012, 03:58 PM
Another Hendriks outing, another day of not getting the job done. What will it take for him to 'get it'? Will he at all this year?

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 04:00 PM
Another Hendriks outing, another day of not getting the job done. What will it take for him to 'get it'? Will he at all this year?

He's very hittable at this point. I wish I could have seen him pitch in AAA to see what's so different. Perhaps Parker can put something together?

Winston Smith
08-22-2012, 04:11 PM
Another Hendriks outing, another day of not getting the job done. What will it take for him to 'get it'? Will he at all this year?

He's very hittable at this point. I wish I could have seen him pitch in AAA to see what's so different. Perhaps Parker can put something together?

Major league hitters instead on minor league hitters!!

TwinVike61
08-22-2012, 04:18 PM
Another Hendriks outing, another day of not getting the job done. What will it take for him to 'get it'? Will he at all this year?

He's very hittable at this point. I wish I could have seen him pitch in AAA to see what's so different. Perhaps Parker can put something together?

Major league hitters instead on minor league hitters!!


Or maybe he needs an Aussie pitch whisperer (Rene Rivera?)

TwinVike61
08-22-2012, 04:22 PM
He's so dang nervous... got to get past that or he'll never be effective. I'm thinking 4 ER on 5 IP 3K 3 BB

Looks like you nailed that prediction.

Mr. Ed
08-22-2012, 04:24 PM
72 losses if they fail to rally, and with 2 hits, that's likely.

and over a week of August games left.

Sigh

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 04:36 PM
Another Hendriks outing, another day of not getting the job done. What will it take for him to 'get it'? Will he at all this year?

He's very hittable at this point. I wish I could have seen him pitch in AAA to see what's so different. Perhaps Parker can put something together?

Major league hitters instead on minor league hitters!!

It's more than just that. You don't find many 2 ERA guys in AAA that can't be fair in the MLB.

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 04:38 PM
He's so dang nervous... got to get past that or he'll never be effective. I'm thinking 4 ER on 5 IP 3K 3 BB

Looks like you nailed that prediction.

Thanks. Wish I were wrong. Double sigh.

glunn
08-22-2012, 04:40 PM
He's so dang nervous... got to get past that or he'll never be effective. I'm thinking 4 ER on 5 IP 3K 3 BB

Hendriks needs to take Inderal, assuming that it's not a banned substance. Performers use it to eliminate stage fright and it is very effective.

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 04:47 PM
He's so dang nervous... got to get past that or he'll never be effective. I'm thinking 4 ER on 5 IP 3K 3 BB

Hendriks needs to take Inderal, assuming that it's not a banned substance. Performers use it to eliminate stage fright and it is very effective.

Maybe just get buzzed on suds to steady the nerves.

Bark's Lounge
08-22-2012, 04:54 PM
He's so dang nervous... got to get past that or he'll never be effective. I'm thinking 4 ER on 5 IP 3K 3 BB

Hendriks needs to take Inderal, assuming that it's not a banned substance. Performers use it to eliminate stage fright and it is very effective.

Maybe just get buzzed on suds to steady the nerves.

The last I heard, Josh Beckett is available if someone wants to take on his salary. Beckett could help teach Hendriks the ins and outs of DWPB.

IdahoPilgrim
08-22-2012, 05:12 PM
And then, mercifully, it was over.

Ultima Ratio
08-22-2012, 05:15 PM
Well.... that sucked.

3up3down
08-22-2012, 05:51 PM
i have seen hendricks in AAA several times, there are alot of things that factor in, 1st is he just dont have a out pitch that he can go to consistently to get big league hitters out, his stuff is average at best, nothing is plus..he has had great success in AAA but i really dont think that would continue like it has..the borderline pitches he gets in AAA he dont get in the bigs, they just take those & say do it again, then he has to pitch behind in the count & his average stuff becomes even more hittable, the thing that i find surprising is how many on here say he could be a #2 or 3, liriano had #1 stuff, stuff wise hendricks is not even in the same league as liriano..i am not down on hendricks , i just think he is what he is & thats a #5 or long reliever..

glunn
08-22-2012, 07:05 PM
i have seen hendricks in AAA several times, there are alot of things that factor in, 1st is he just dont have a out pitch that he can go to consistently to get big league hitters out, his stuff is average at best, nothing is plus..he has had great success in AAA but i really dont think that would continue like it has..the borderline pitches he gets in AAA he dont get in the bigs, they just take those & say do it again, then he has to pitch behind in the count & his average stuff becomes even more hittable, the thing that i find surprising is how many on here say he could be a #2 or 3, liriano had #1 stuff, stuff wise hendricks is not even in the same league as liriano..i am not down on hendricks , i just think he is what he is & thats a #5 or long reliever..

My sense is that you are correct, but also that there is some hope that he could improve.

3up3down
08-22-2012, 08:04 PM
glunn, improve yes, i agree 100% he can & will improve...but be a mainstay in the rotation ..i dont believe so..