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Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 12:45 PM
Twins:
Ben Revere CF
Alexi Casilla 2B
Joe Mauer DH
Josh Willingham LF
Justin Morneau 1B
Ryan Doumit C
Trevor Plouffe 3B
Matt Carson RF
Pedro Florimon SS
(Sam Deduno P)

Mariners:
Dustin Ackley 2B
Michael Saunders CF
Kyle Seager 3B
John Jaso C
Jesus Montero DH
Justin Smoak 1B
Eric Thames RF
Trayvon Robinson LF
Munenori Kawasaki SS
(Blake Beavan P)

kydoty
08-19-2012, 01:55 PM
Batting 2nd and playing 2nd is back!

glunn
08-19-2012, 02:56 PM
Batting 2nd and playing 2nd is back!

But maybe not for long unless he can improve at the plate.

Highabove
08-19-2012, 03:03 PM
I just heard a great description of Deduno (Effectly wild)

glunn
08-19-2012, 03:12 PM
I have been watching the Rays and the Angels. The much coveted Greinke has given up one run on a HBP and another on a walk. If Greinke can stink enough, maybe the Twins might have a shot at him.

Top Gun
08-19-2012, 03:15 PM
I hope he can get a win today and another QS would be big.

Top Gun
08-19-2012, 03:20 PM
We don't need Greinke when we got Deduno.

glunn
08-19-2012, 03:31 PM
We need Doom to get a hit here!

asmus_ndsu
08-19-2012, 03:42 PM
Florimon with 8 foul balls in a row... Ill take that i guess i think this kid well be a great started once he gets a little more seasoning

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 03:44 PM
Although the returns were not ideal - nice AB by Florimon.

Highabove
08-19-2012, 03:46 PM
Ding!!

GCTF
08-19-2012, 03:46 PM
Ouch Doumit, that was close to being significantly worse than it was.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 03:48 PM
I have been watching the Rays and the Angels. The much coveted Greinke has given up one run on a HBP and another on a walk. If Greinke can stink enough, maybe the Twins might have a shot at him.

I know what you are saying, but you have to admit when you take the statement out of context of his entire career it turns into a sad commentary on the Twins history in signing free agents.:)

glunn
08-19-2012, 03:57 PM
I have been watching the Rays and the Angels. The much coveted Greinke has given up one run on a HBP and another on a walk. If Greinke can stink enough, maybe the Twins might have a shot at him.

I know what you are saying, but you have to admit when you take the statement out of context of his entire career it turns into a sad commentary on the Twins history in signing free agents.:)

I do admit that. I also admit that Greinke is a "gamer".

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 04:00 PM
I also admit that Greinke is a "gamer".

I'm not sure what that means. For my generation a "gamer" is somebody who plays AD&D.

greengoblinrulz
08-19-2012, 04:01 PM
I have been watching the Rays and the Angels. The much coveted Greinke has given up one run on a HBP and another on a walk. If Greinke can stink enough, maybe the Twins might have a shot at him.
Could buy that arguement, but CJ Wilson was horrendous in the playoffs last yr & it didnt affect his market value at all

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 04:03 PM
I also admit that Greinke is a "gamer".

I'm not sure what that means. For my generation a "gamer" is somebody who plays AD&D.

Roll your 20 sided dice.:D

greengoblinrulz
08-19-2012, 04:03 PM
Dont even believe MN will be one of the teams 'rumoured' to go after Grienke. Think the organization has already ruled him out IMO.
They will go after Jeremey Guthrie....as my prediction only...& he had a no hitter thru 6!!! Get excited!!!

glunn
08-19-2012, 04:06 PM
Deduno will almost need a miracle to get out of this inning without giving up a run.

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 04:08 PM
Deduno will almost need a miracle to get out of this inning without giving up a run.

I'm calling triple play. Deduno has luck on his side.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 04:10 PM
Deduno will almost need a miracle to get out of this inning without giving up a run.

I'm calling triple play. Deduno has luck on his side.

Guess the dice didn't come up right.

glunn
08-19-2012, 04:11 PM
Deduno will almost need a miracle to get out of this inning without giving up a run.

I'm calling triple play. Deduno has luck on his side.

I love your positive mental attitude. And I wish that Casilla had caught that foul ball.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 04:11 PM
OK, help my ignorance here. Is there a reason he didn't go for the force at home?

greengoblinrulz
08-19-2012, 04:12 PM
OK, help my ignorance here. Is there a reason he didn't go for the force at home?
down goes Florimon, here comes Escobar

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 04:14 PM
OK, help my ignorance here. Is there a reason he didn't go for the force at home?

I was away from the TV but if you can get two outs early in the game, you take 'em, run be damned. Tie or close game in late innings, different situation but this early in the game, you try to get out of the inning as quickly as possible.

greengoblinrulz
08-19-2012, 04:14 PM
Im so not a Duduno guy & know that his control/wildness will eventually catch up to him, but I unfortunately find myself rooting against him so that it does

glunn
08-19-2012, 04:14 PM
Nice play by Morneau to end the inning.

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 04:16 PM
Deduno will almost need a miracle to get out of this inning without giving up a run.

I'm calling triple play. Deduno has luck on his side.

Guess the dice didn't come up right.

I needed a 20, instead I rolled a 1.

neli21
08-19-2012, 04:16 PM
OK, help my ignorance here. Is there a reason he didn't go for the force at home?

With the bases loaded and no outs, getting two outs is a godsend. Its better to concede the run and be one out away from getting out of the inning than hope for one out and still have the bases loaded with one out. The odds are still there for a big inning, at least compared to one already in the bank and a runner on third with two outs. Anything but a double play is probably going to score that run anyway.

Take away the run that was walked in and with the decision to go for two they just held them to one run in a bases loaded, no out situation. You can't ask for more than that.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 04:23 PM
OK, help my ignorance here. Is there a reason he didn't go for the force at home?

With the bases loaded and no outs, getting two outs is a godsend. Its better to concede the run and be one out away from getting out of the inning than hope for one out and still have the bases loaded with one out. The odds are still there for a big inning, at least compared to one already in the bank and a runner on third with two outs. Anything but a double play is probably going to score that run anyway.

Take away the run that was walked in and with the decision to go for two they just held them to one run in a bases loaded, no out situation. You can't ask for more than that.

Thanks! I've watched the game for years but I never played it, and I'm just now picking up some of the finer points of game strategy.

glunn
08-19-2012, 04:23 PM
Plouffe does not seem to have regained his mojo since his return from the DL. I wonder if the thumb is still sore.

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 04:32 PM
Plouffe does not seem to have regained his mojo since his return from the DL. I wonder if the thumb is still sore.

Keep the faith my friend. It will all work out.

glunn
08-19-2012, 04:39 PM
Plouffe does not seem to have regained his mojo since his return from the DL. I wonder if the thumb is still sore.

Keep the faith my friend. It will all work out.

I am hoping for something good every time he comes to the plate.

neli21
08-19-2012, 04:41 PM
OK, help my ignorance here. Is there a reason he didn't go for the force at home?

With the bases loaded and no outs, getting two outs is a godsend. Its better to concede the run and be one out away from getting out of the inning than hope for one out and still have the bases loaded with one out. The odds are still there for a big inning, at least compared to one already in the bank and a runner on third with two outs. Anything but a double play is probably going to score that run anyway.

Take away the run that was walked in and with the decision to go for two they just held them to one run in a bases loaded, no out situation. You can't ask for more than that.

Thanks! I've watched the game for years but I never played it, and I'm just now picking up some of the finer points of game strategy.

You're welcome. Another good way to think about it is that if you get the out at home, but the guy on deck homers or otherwise scores in the inning, four runs will come in. On the other hand, if you get the double play and the guy on deck ends up scoring he will only represent the third run. That is where the big inning point comes in. Getting the double play is not only getting a second valuable out, but it is eliminating one guy that is already on base from scoring contention (while also getting the batter out, so you are left with just one man on base as opposed to three).

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 04:48 PM
Dick Bremer just announced that when the Twins get back from the road trip, Bert Blyleven will back back in the booth for the rest of the season. Be still my beating heart!

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 04:54 PM
Dick and Coomer are busting Casilla's balls a bit over that but he did the right thing. What was he supposed to do, try to instigate the famous "three man collision, out at second"?

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 04:55 PM
Past a diving Flor...

Wait, he actually caught that ball. Nice.

glunn
08-19-2012, 04:56 PM
Great catch by Florimon. No way Dozier would have caught that one.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 04:57 PM
If Deduno keeps pitching like this I'm going to have to bump up my hypertension medicine!

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:00 PM
If Deduno keeps pitching like this I'm going to have to bump up my hypertension medicine!

The guy is entertaining, I'll say that much.

glunn
08-19-2012, 05:03 PM
Now would be an EXCELLENT time for Plouffe to get a big hit.

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 05:04 PM
Plouffe needs to do something positive here.

glunn
08-19-2012, 05:05 PM
Plouffe needs to do something positive here.

We are reading each other's minds.

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:05 PM
The Twins should see if the Mariners are open to a Capps for Capps trade.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 05:06 PM
OK, rook, let's see what you can do.

GCTF
08-19-2012, 05:07 PM
Fatt crapps!!

glunn
08-19-2012, 05:07 PM
Suicide squeeze?

Highabove
08-19-2012, 05:08 PM
Did we get the wrong Capps?

Maybe Ryan got the two mixed up.

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:09 PM
Yikes, the ump is squeezing the rookie. Capps has been throwing some pretty good pitches that could have easily been called for strikes.

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:11 PM
Meh.

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 05:12 PM
What a waste.

GCTF
08-19-2012, 05:15 PM
Oh good, Jeff Gray is warming up.

Thanks for the DP ball M's.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 05:23 PM
Oh good, Jeff Gray is warming up.

Thanks for the DP ball M's.

Right now Gray is the least of our problems - we need those bats to wake up, SOON, or this is gonna be a long road trip.

glunn
08-19-2012, 05:29 PM
Oh good, Jeff Gray is warming up.

Thanks for the DP ball M's.

Right now Gray is the least of our problems - we need those bats to wake up, SOON, or this is gonna be a long road trip.

Deduno has not been pretty, but 2 runs in 6 innings should be enough to have a chance. But the Twins' bats seem dead.

GCTF
08-19-2012, 05:37 PM
Good grief.

greengoblinrulz
08-19-2012, 05:38 PM
Love me some Gray

Top Gun
08-19-2012, 05:39 PM
Poffy is done for he has had his glory.

Mr. Ed
08-19-2012, 05:42 PM
Plouffe has to get it figured out. Twins threw all their eggs into that basket. Now he can't get hits since coming off the DL.

And Gray Stinks. Again.

The Blackburn of the bullpen.

greengoblinrulz
08-19-2012, 05:44 PM
Plouffe has to get it figured out. Twins threw all their eggs into that basket. Now he can't get hits since coming off the DL.

And Gray Stinks. Again.

The Blackburn of the bullpen.

Dont need to use that. It's a given

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:45 PM
I really, really dislike Jeff Gray. Why is he even here? No fanbase should be forced to watch both Gray and Blackburn pitch.

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:47 PM
Plouffe has to get it figured out. Twins threw all their eggs into that basket. Now he can't get hits since coming off the DL.

He has come to the plate less than 25 times since his DL stint. I'd give it another week or five before worrying about it.

IdahoPilgrim
08-19-2012, 05:47 PM
Well, at least Gray has lowered my blood pressure - I could care less about the game anymore.

Mr. Ed
08-19-2012, 05:49 PM
I really, really dislike Jeff Gray. Why is he even here? No fanbase should be forced to watch both Gray and Blackburn pitch.

Because the Twins are stubborn, not liking to give up on too many guys and still have to pay them?

I don't know. There can be no other explanation. Just lousy.

GCTF
08-19-2012, 05:49 PM
I really, really dislike Jeff Gray. Why is he even here? No fanbase should be forced to watch both Gray and Blackburn pitch.

He's bound to go an entire inning without giving up a run someday. Patience, grasshopper.

snepp
08-19-2012, 05:51 PM
127 relievers have thrown 40 or more innings, Jeff Gray ranks....

120th - ERA
125th - FIP
127th - xFIP
124th - WAR
126th - SIERA

ashburyjohn
08-19-2012, 05:53 PM
127 relievers have thrown 40 or more innings, Jeff Gray ranks....

120th - ERA
125th - FIP
127th - xFIP
124th - WAR
126th - SIERA

Came here for the Jeff Gray outrage. Left satisfied.

Brock Beauchamp
08-19-2012, 05:54 PM
I really, really dislike Jeff Gray. Why is he even here? No fanbase should be forced to watch both Gray and Blackburn pitch.

Because the Twins are stubborn, not liking to give up on too many guys and still have to pay them?

I don't know. There can be no other explanation. Just lousy.

I'm fine with having a Gray or Blackburn on the roster. At the back of the pen, it's inevitable.

But this team shouldn't have two of those guys. No team should have two of those guys.

Top Gun
08-19-2012, 05:56 PM
Trade them all for a bundle of carrots and stick them up TR ...

GCTF
08-19-2012, 05:57 PM
Looks like Perkins will pitch the 9th. Awesome.

GCTF
08-19-2012, 05:59 PM
127 relievers have thrown 40 or more innings, Jeff Gray ranks....

120th - ERA
125th - FIP
127th - xFIP
124th - WAR
126th - SIERA

So you're saying he's not the worst at everything. I may have to rethink my position and ease up on him a bit.

TheLeviathan
08-19-2012, 07:04 PM
Really....we pitched Perkins in this game?

jokin
08-19-2012, 07:12 PM
Really....we pitched Perkins in this game?

You just don't follow Gardy close enough Lev, I heard him say so himself last night at around 1AM, he simply couldn't pitch Perkins last night in the 9th- he HAD to have him available for today...

jokin
08-19-2012, 07:32 PM
I really, really dislike Jeff Gray. Why is he even here? No fanbase should be forced to watch both Gray and Blackburn pitch.

How about a side order of MMM Stew?- (Mansihp (sp)/Marquis/Maloney) with a Tyler Roberston apertif? These are still other pitchers on the worst staff in baseball that the FO has, or continues to deem, MLB-worthy.