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John Bonnes
08-16-2012, 02:57 PM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?930-Outfielder-Matt-Carson-Promoted-To-Minnesota-Twins

Mauerzy4Prez
08-16-2012, 03:03 PM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?930-Outfielder-Matt-Carson-Promoted-To-Minnesota-Twins

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Boom Boom
08-16-2012, 03:11 PM
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Mauerzy4Prez
08-16-2012, 03:22 PM
Nevermind!! So who is going to get DFA'd?! Mr. Jeff Gray finally?

John Bonnes
08-16-2012, 03:24 PM
You can view the page at http://twinsdaily.com/content.php?930-Outfielder-Matt-Carson-Promoted-To-Minnesota-Twins

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Sorry about that. Got my permissions on the story messed up. Should be fixed now.

Jeremy Nygaard
08-16-2012, 03:33 PM
I doubt the 40-man room comes from someone on the 25-man roster. It would either be a move to the 60-day DL for Capps (likely) or a DFA from someone in the minors.

Thrylos
08-16-2012, 03:42 PM
Glad that he made it. He deserved it. I would not be surprised to see Tosoni get DFA'd or Nishioka (nobody will claim him). Manship and Perdomo too, but the last too might get claimed and they have been pitching pretty well in AAA and the Twins are flirting with Rochester. Maybe they even keep Parmelee there for that reason as well. But good to see Carson get another chance.

John Bonnes
08-16-2012, 03:44 PM
I think this is the right move for now. If Span gets moved to the DL (which I cynically view as inevitable, even knowing nothing of the situation) then we'll see Parmelee.

Winston Smith
08-16-2012, 04:02 PM
As a rule the Twins wait at least a week before placing them on the DL and then a couple more days before seeing a specialist.
If I were cynical I'd say they do this to save a week of major league pay for the guy they bring up but that can't be the real reason.

Mr. Ed
08-16-2012, 04:17 PM
Parmelee is apparently not trusted, and perhaps rightfully so, to log a lot of outfield innings in RF.

Unless they move some guys in the off-season, there will be no room for him in Gardy's lineup.

Rosterman
08-16-2012, 04:19 PM
It was a good year to sign with the Twins as a minor league free agent! Let's swapout Butera for Towles. Maybe Casilla for Holimon. We pretty much ate up the serviceable pitchers.

greengoblinrulz
08-16-2012, 04:25 PM
The Twins have been dulluged with the minor league FAs because Terry Ryan/co. dont like the people in the organization that they themselves drafted. Gets em a backhanded compliment of 'look how well they signed these retread FA's' when it should be seen as a criticism of them, in my eyes.

John Bonnes
08-16-2012, 04:33 PM
Parmelee is apparently not trusted, and perhaps rightfully so, to log a lot of outfield innings in RF.

Unless they move some guys in the off-season, there will be no room for him in Gardy's lineup.

I dont' know if that's true, though I suspect we'll find out soon enough. If they thought Span or Revere weren't going to return, I think we would see Parmelee out there.

Thrylos
08-16-2012, 04:43 PM
The Twins have been dulluged with the minor league FAs because Terry Ryan/co. dont like the people in the organization that they themselves drafted. Gets em a backhanded compliment of 'look how well they signed these retread FA's' when it should be seen as a criticism of them, in my eyes.

I am 95% sure that the abundance of the MiLB FAs signed had to do that this was a walk year for Rochester and that the Rochester AAA team really really stunk the place the last couple years. Same thing (but they did not stink the place much before) with New Britain. They had several MiLB FAs (and waiver claims) start the season in New Britain, including a couple who are with the Twins now (Florimon, Mastroianni) another one who just left the Twins (Perdomo) and a couple of over the hill non-prospects (one of whom has been decent , Colabello; the other one not so, Roof) and a couple of older pitchers (Luke French, Brad Thompson -gone now- and Aaron Thompson) So I really think that a lot of that was part of the affiliation dance show. Were there any prospects hurt? In retrospect, maybe a couple of pitchers who were stuck in New Britain (but there was so much shuffling to the Twins going on that people moved up and down) and maybe Deibinson Romero and Chris Herrmann. That's about it.

greengoblinrulz
08-16-2012, 04:54 PM
I go back n forth on the AAA experience for a player and its just as solid at AA to get that playing time.
Ive said it this whole year....I get frustrated by getting rid of our own players we developed who sign elsewhere (Solarte, DMartin, BRoberts for ex) & go sign the same players from other organizations INSTEAD of keeping our own guys.
With the solid New Brit lineup...next year will really tell how the organization thinks of our own.

Thrylos
08-16-2012, 05:11 PM
I get frustrated by getting rid of our own players we developed who sign elsewhere (Solarte, DMartin, BRoberts for ex) .

I was really mad about Solarte (and he is still young). The only issue was that he needed a 40-man spot and they decided that Jeff Gray and Matt Maloney (at that point) deserved it more. That was total BS (both literally and figuratively).

Dustin Martin was cut right at the end of Spring Training or even at the beginning of the season. As far as Roberts goes this team is full of OFs. The 3 they brought over (Carson, W.Ramirez and Mastroianni) before the season started are better players. The two they got during the season (Cleat Thomas and Eric Komatsu esp. are not) And they have a ton of OFs. But that Solarte thing hurts. Might have been something extracurricular like the Jairo Perez situation... who knows.

(And in no way I am defending Rantz and the way he does business... this should be pretty obvious by now ;) Just trying to be fair.)

greengoblinrulz
08-16-2012, 05:45 PM
still hope someone finds out what happenned with Jairo

Thrylos
08-16-2012, 06:33 PM
still hope someone finds out what happenned with Jairo

.361/.398/.555 3HR, 21 RBI, 4SB in the American Association (Indy) for the Wichita Wingnuts (13 gaqmes) and the Grand Prairie Airhogs (15 games) #PMKI in other words. Will probably sign a free agent contract with another organization soon.

There are some rumors and some claims about people knowing what happened and got released but (really) those things cannot be talked in public because of legal implications.

TheLeviathan
08-16-2012, 06:52 PM
This strikes me as Gardy being comfortable with Mastro/Doumit in the OF and he wouldn't have played Parmalee. Which wouldn't be unusual for this team - in that case - would rather he stay at AAA.

John Bonnes
08-16-2012, 07:17 PM
This strikes me as Gardy being comfortable with Mastro/Doumit in the OF and he wouldn't have played Parmalee. Which wouldn't be unusual for this team - in that case - would rather he stay at AAA.

FWIW, within the last couple weeks I heard Gardy talk about Parmelee in the outfield and he didn't pull the usual managerspeak one uses when one doesn't want to crap on his own player. He stated straight out that he thinks he can play there and wants to give him that chance.

greengoblinrulz
08-16-2012, 07:48 PM
This strikes me as Gardy being comfortable with Mastro/Doumit in the OF and he wouldn't have played Parmalee. Which wouldn't be unusual for this team - in that case - would rather he stay at AAA.

FWIW, within the last couple weeks I heard Gardy talk about Parmelee in the outfield and he didn't pull the usual managerspeak one uses when one doesn't want to crap on his own player. He stated straight out that he thinks he can play there and wants to give him that chance.
Ive heard the same interviews where he thought he could get him 4/5 starts week right now, just resting every starter that it would effect a day per week.
Carson is definately a Terry Ryan move

John Bonnes
08-16-2012, 08:11 PM
If we really want to debate this thing, I think you can make a pretty strong argument that Parmelee should be playing right field while Span is out and Mastroanni should be either back on the bench or at second base. I'd argue the latter, but I'd be OK with the former, too. I think we have a decent idea of what Mastroianni can be as a hitter (though he's overperforming now) and we know how he is as a corner OF defender. Why not get answers on Parmelee (both offensively and defensively) and maybe Maestro at second?

TheLeviathan
08-16-2012, 08:11 PM
FWIW, within the last couple weeks I heard Gardy talk about Parmelee in the outfield and he didn't pull the usual managerspeak one uses when one doesn't want to crap on his own player. He stated straight out that he thinks he can play there and wants to give him that chance.

Well, if he's ok with Doumit - Parmalee can't be any worse. I'd like to see the kid up - I don't see what justification Ryan would have not to call him up.

Roncoomerfan
08-16-2012, 09:42 PM
After tonight's win, Rochester now 3.5 games out of Wild Card. Any chance Carson over Parmelee might have to do with Parmelee being more valuable to Rochester's playoff chase vs. sitting on the bench up in Minnesota? (Not saying I necessarily agree with this, just asking the question).

Badsmerf
08-16-2012, 09:59 PM
I'm siding with John on this one. If they thought Revere and Span would be out for a significant portion of time they would have called up Parmelee. I bet they think it will be a couple of days and wanted to give Carson some AB's and leave Parmelee where he is until they can call him up and leave him with the Twins. I don't really agree with their handling of him and Hendriks this season, but I can see why they are doing what they are (doesn't make it right).

Top Gun
08-16-2012, 10:13 PM
The good old boys says it all.

Brock Beauchamp
08-16-2012, 11:15 PM
I don't really agree with their handling of him and Hendriks this season, but I can see why they are doing what they are (doesn't make it right).

I think the two are very different. Parmelee has crushed the ball every time he's had regular time in the lineup since September of last year. He needs to be in the Minnesota lineup.

On the other side of the coin, Hendriks failed miserably during his time in Minnesota. I think he was sent down for a very specific reason to prepare him for a ML rotation in 2013. I don't think the organization is down on him, I think the org is high on him but needs to see some changes before he heads back to the Twin Cities.

Basically, right now I can argue why the Twins don't have Hendriks starting every fifth day. I can't make the same argument why Parmelee isn't starting 4-5 times a week.

YourHouseIsMyHouse
08-17-2012, 12:40 AM
I am 95% sure that the abundance of the MiLB FAs signed had to do that this was a walk year for Rochester and that the Rochester AAA team really really stunk the place the last couple years. Same thing (but they did not stink the place much before) with New Britain.

This really is the reason and you hit it hard. Rochester is a venue that most Major League teams covet and the Twins had to get a competitive team (or at least try) to keep their AAA team there. We're honestly really lucky to have Rochester and the retreads were the best we could do. The Red Wings have been the worst team in the two years prior to this.


After tonight's win, Rochester now 3.5 games out of Wild Card. Any chance Carson over Parmelee might have to do with Parmelee being more valuable to Rochester's playoff chase vs. sitting on the bench up in Minnesota? (Not saying I necessarily agree with this, just asking the question).

Rochester's season is more important than the Twins season right now so in way I hesitantly say a little . It's not far-fetched and it may play a role, but I doubt and would hope that's not the entire basis of the transaction.

Top Gun
08-17-2012, 10:28 AM
What the hell do the Twins want with Carson is beyond me.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-17-2012, 10:33 AM
What the hell do the Twins want with Carson is beyond me.

Meh, he could be a decent RH option. Plus its one of those stories you like to see, dude has spent 9 years in the minors, nice to see him drawing a major league paycheck for even a couple weeks.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-17-2012, 10:48 AM
PH option.

Seth Stohs
08-17-2012, 10:50 AM
I like the move... Rochester is like 3-4 games out of a playoff spot. Let Parmelee, Dozier and Hendriks (and Vasquez) help them toward that, and if that comes up short, they'll all play a lot in September. Carson is a good right-handed bench bat, who should get a few starts in RF. It's also a good story.

COtwin
08-17-2012, 11:04 AM
I like the move... Rochester is like 3-4 games out of a playoff spot. Let Parmelee, Dozier and Hendriks (and Vasquez) help them toward that, and if that comes up short, they'll all play a lot in September. Carson is a good right-handed bench bat, who should get a few starts in RF. It's also a good story.


I can agree with you and even think it was the right choice. BUT. Things need to get different quickly in the next few weeks. No more playing Carroll or bringing up guys that don't factor in. I want the end of this season to be about finding answers and clearing wasted roster spaces. We need to know who our bench bats are going to be going forward as well as a few of the obvious starting openings. Can Parm play OF? Is some sort of rotation at C/DH/1/Lf(should be Rf possible to get Doumit, Parm, Morneau, Mauer, and Willy roughly the same AB next year? Is Casilla done? Is Carroll worth the price or do we have a cheaper, younger alternative? I want to see guys with higher ceilings. This is the time where losing some games actually helps us. We shouldn't be experimenting in April next year.

Mr. Ed
08-17-2012, 02:26 PM
Tosoni outrighted to AA to make room for Carson

DAM DC Twins Fans
08-17-2012, 02:56 PM
I definitely agree wth those who say the remainder of this year should be about the 2013 and 2014 seasons...bring up kids who will be on roster next year like Parmalee and Dozier and Benson and play them.

Top Gun
08-17-2012, 02:57 PM
Twins purchased the contract of OF Matt Carson from Triple-A Rochester.

Carson has batted .277 with a .785 OPS in 448 plate appearances at Rochester this season. The 31-year-old hasn't appeared in the major leagues since the 2010 season and doesn't figure to get a ton of playing time.

Top Gun
08-17-2012, 03:00 PM
Twins sent OF Rene Tosoni outright to Triple-A Rochester.

The move clears a spot on the 40-man roster for Matt Carson. Tosoni has spent all year at Rochester, batting just .218/.299/.314 with three homers over 75 games.

jokin
08-17-2012, 07:04 PM
Twins purchased the contract of OF Matt Carson from Triple-A Rochester.

Carson has batted .277 with a .785 OPS in 448 plate appearances at Rochester this season. The 31-year-old hasn't appeared in the major leagues since the 2010 season and doesn't figure to get a ton of playing time.

Except both he and Florimon are starting tonight...?

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-18-2012, 11:59 PM
I like the move... Rochester is like 3-4 games out of a playoff spot. Let Parmelee, Dozier and Hendriks (and Vasquez) help them toward that, and if that comes up short, they'll all play a lot in September. Carson is a good right-handed bench bat, who should get a few starts in RF. It's also a good story.


I can agree with you and even think it was the right choice. BUT. Things need to get different quickly in the next few weeks. No more playing Carroll or bringing up guys that don't factor in. I want the end of this season to be about finding answers and clearing wasted roster spaces. We need to know who our bench bats are going to be going forward as well as a few of the obvious starting openings. Can Parm play OF? Is some sort of rotation at C/DH/1/Lf(should be Rf possible to get Doumit, Parm, Morneau, Mauer, and Willy roughly the same AB next year? Is Casilla done? Is Carroll worth the price or do we have a cheaper, younger alternative? I want to see guys with higher ceilings. This is the time where losing some games actually helps us. We shouldn't be experimenting in April next year.

Why should Carroll suddenly be benched? He is signed through next year and frankly has been the most constitent MI we have had. Casilla is all but gone at this point, and if the Twins want to know if Parm can play OF then they can give him those same innings in the field in AAA as they would in the majors. It's not like you need to have him playing for the Twins to determine how good/bad defensively he is.

I also disagree with your "get Doumit, Parm, Morneau, Mauer and Willingham" the same AB next year plan. Willingham has a .950 OPS, under no cicrumstances should he be in some bizzarro platoon, ditto with Mauer and a healthy/effective Morneau.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-19-2012, 12:03 AM
I can't make the same argument why Parmelee isn't starting 4-5 times a week.

I can.

Willingham:150 OPS+
Morneau:122 OPS+ (.947 OPS over last 35 games)
Mauer: 139 OPS+
Doumit: 125 OPS+

There is zero reason to be cutting these guys at bats!

Bark's Lounge
08-19-2012, 12:13 AM
If Chris Parmelee wrote a book, one of the chapters would be called "2012 - the summer I got F'd in the A".

jokin
08-19-2012, 02:36 AM
Twins purchased the contract of OF Matt Carson from Triple-A Rochester.

Carson has batted .277 with a .785 OPS in 448 plate appearances at Rochester this season. The 31-year-old hasn't appeared in the major leagues since the 2010 season and doesn't figure to get a ton of playing time.

Except both he and Florimon are starting tonight...?

And both again on Saturday night.