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John Bonnes
08-14-2012, 01:53 PM
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/08/14/when-and-where-will-twins-find-room-for-triple-a-murderer-parmelee/

Aaron thinks the Twins need to find room for Parmelee, but isn't at all sure how they're going to do so. I'm wondering what others thoughts are. IMHO, this is one of the better Twins developments this year.

diehardtwinsfan
08-14-2012, 01:58 PM
you have to find room at one point... He has options, so in theory you can leave him there for another year. My guess is that Terry Ryan is going to spend a good chunk of the offseason shopping one of Span, Revere, or Morneau. The first spot that opens will be Parmelees... If the trade is in the OF and Parmelee succeeds, Ryan will likely flip Morneau at the deadline, move Parmelee to 1st and call up whichever of Hicks/Arcia/Benson that is most deserving.

Brock Beauchamp
08-14-2012, 02:10 PM
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/08/14/when-and-where-will-twins-find-room-for-triple-a-murderer-parmelee/

Aaron thinks the Twins need to find room for Parmelee, but isn't at all sure how they're going to do so. I'm wondering what others thoughts are. IMHO, this is one of the better Twins developments this year.

Try hard to move Span in the offseason and slot Parmelee in right. Try to move Justin at the deadline and then slot Chris into first base. It's the only way to get everyone the ABs they need, I think.

Riverbrian
08-14-2012, 02:14 PM
A little creativity and it's easily done.

Willingham, Morneau, Doumit, Mauer can all sit on occasion and if they rotate the time.... Everyone can play a decent amount. Simply sticking Parmelee into a rotation of these players will get everyone ample playing time with no bench rusting for anyone and you will always have a decent pinch hitting option on the bench for all games.

The same thing could be done with Mastrioanni right now. Revere and Span can sit every once in awhile to get Mastroianni some additional playing time.

25 Players on your roster. Use them all. Except for Butera of course.

I would call up Parmelee right now and send down a bullpen arm and start this rotation immediately. If Parmelee is going to ride the pine... Well of course leave him in Rochester. It's just a little bit of creativity.

gunnarthor
08-14-2012, 02:15 PM
I think diehardtwinsfan is right.

That said, I didn't listen to the podcast but (and this was brought up in another thread and I didn't really give it much thought), would a team like Baltimore gamble on Parmelee and give up a guy like Matusz, who has really struggled at the ML level? And if they would, would the Twins gamble on Matusz and give away a cheap bat like Parmelee?

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-14-2012, 02:15 PM
Willingham, Morneau, Mauer and prob even Doumit need to be in the lineup everyday (or as close to as possible) at this point.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-14-2012, 02:17 PM
I think diehardtwinsfan is right.

That said, I didn't listen to the podcast but (and this was brought up in another thread and I didn't really give it much thought), would a team like Baltimore gamble on Parmelee and give up a guy like Matusz, who has really struggled at the ML level? And if they would, would the Twins gamble on Matusz and give away a cheap bat like Parmelee?
Now is NOT the time to trade away Parmelee. It's not like he is being blocked by a guy on a 10 year contract at first base, Morneau has a year left, there is a good chance he is traded sometime in 2013. Span has a decent shot to be traded as well, but if they head into 2013 with everyone still around, then leaving Parm in AAA for a few months until someone inevitably gets traded or injured isn't the worst thing in the world.

This is the kind of logic that caused the Twins to trade away Wilson Ramos for Fatt Crapps, "oh hey we have a catcher already, no need to keep Ramos around!"

Brock Beauchamp
08-14-2012, 02:18 PM
Willingham, Morneau, Mauer and prob even Doumit need to be in the lineup everyday (or as close to as possible) at this point.

I'm not sure I agree. At this point, 2012 is a lost season. I don't have problems with sitting Mauer and Doumit more regularly, as both have caught a fair number of games and are signed beyond this season. Willingham can sit a few days as well.

Morneau, on the other hand, should probably play as often as possible just in case he forgets that baseball is still played through September. /snark

Thrylos
08-14-2012, 02:19 PM
They got to move one of Span/Morneau to get some pitching this off-season. Span's and Morneau's value (barring any additional injuries or bad news from Span's current one) will never be higher than this off-season. They do have ready replacements for both of them and that money they save along with the pitchers they will get, might go long way for this team.

And with Morneau, you can potentially trade him for a similar P contact and call is a wash, which really opens the door for a whole other number of players to come over to the Twins. Like can you get someone like Carlos Villanueva from the Blue Jays straight up for Morneau? He is a guy who is a better starter than reliever and the Jays really do not have room for. Also he is stated to make around $4M in his second arbitration. Or would the Dodgers give you someone like Aaron Harang or Chris Capuano straight up (or with an added Twins B type prospect; they are both signed for 2013 for $7 and $6 and have an option for the same amount in 2014 so money is a wash.). This is unique flexibility for them and should try to take advantage of it. This team needs 2 starters better than Diamond, minimum, to have a chance next season and you cannot find them in free agency for cheap (unless you are the Dodgers and signed the aforementioned 2 last off-season)

gunnarthor
08-14-2012, 02:23 PM
I think diehardtwinsfan is right.

That said, I didn't listen to the podcast but (and this was brought up in another thread and I didn't really give it much thought), would a team like Baltimore gamble on Parmelee and give up a guy like Matusz, who has really struggled at the ML level? And if they would, would the Twins gamble on Matusz and give away a cheap bat like Parmelee?
Now is NOT the time to trade away Parmelee. It's not like he is being blocked by a guy on a 10 year contract at first base, Morneau has a year left, there is a good chance he is traded sometime in 2013. Span has a decent shot to be traded as well, but if they head into 2013 with everyone still around, then leaving Parm in AAA for a few months until someone inevitably gets traded or injured isn't the worst thing in the world.

This is the kind of logic that caused the Twins to trade away Wilson Ramos for Fatt Crapps, "oh hey we have a catcher already, no need to keep Ramos around!"

Wasn't really thinking we should trade him b/c he's blocked. Rather, I was thinking his value might be pretty high right now and I'm still not sold on him as an everyday first baseman.

And Parmelee certainly isn't untradeable. If the team gets a good offer for him, they should trade him, regardless of the situation is at first base.

Riverbrian
08-14-2012, 02:27 PM
Willingham, Morneau, Mauer and prob even Doumit need to be in the lineup everyday (or as close to as possible) at this point.

Each sitting once a week is not a problem. It keeps everyone fresh and it keeps a decent option off the bench in key moments.

Anybody on your roster playing once a week while the starters are trotted out every day is a bigger problem in my opinion. Besides... Sitting once a week is pretty darn close to "as close to as possible".

ShaeTwins
08-14-2012, 02:32 PM
Willingham, Morneau, Mauer and prob even Doumit need to be in the lineup everyday (or as close to as possible) at this point.

Each sitting once a week is not a problem. It keeps everyone fresh and it keeps a decent option off the bench in key moments.

Anybody on your roster playing once a week while the starters are trotted out every day is a bigger problem in my opinion. Besides... Sitting once a week is pretty darn close to "as close to as possible".

I'm with you...isn't this why baseball allows teams to have "bench players"?

Winston Smith
08-14-2012, 02:51 PM
How about Morneau to the Mariners, basically playing at home for him, we get Jason Vargas back. Both signed thru next year Vargas will likely get around 6 mill in arb so the money is a little off but Morneau should be considered the better player. We get an ok starter save 7-8 mill we can spend on another starter.
I think Morneau would be happy going home to finish his career.

mbents
08-14-2012, 03:16 PM
How about Morneau to the Mariners, basically playing at home for him, we get Jason Vargas back. Both signed thru next year Vargas will likely get around 6 mill in arb so the money is a little off but Morneau should be considered the better player. We get an ok starter save 7-8 mill we can spend on another starter.
I think Morneau would be happy going home to finish his career.

I think the Twins would gladly take Vargas for Morneau because he seems like the kind of pitcher they target. I'm not sure why Seattle would do this, though. They're nowhere near contending and probably don't want to get older.

SweetOne69
08-14-2012, 03:35 PM
[QUOTE=gunnarthor;45753]I think diehardtwinsfan is right.

This is the kind of logic that caused the Twins to trade away Wilson Ramos for Fatt Crapps, "oh hey we have a catcher already, no need to keep Ramos around!"

There are 2 differences between the Parmelee and Ramos situations.

Ramos was behind a guy that just signed an 8 year contract extension and Parmelee is behind a guy with 1 year left.

Also Parmelee has options remaining whereas Ramos didn't.

He would've had to stay on the ML roster last season and he was too good to sit on the bench and serve as the backup catcher.

It was the right thing to trade Ramos, whether or not you agree with the return is a valid argument.

diehardtwinsfan
08-14-2012, 03:53 PM
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/08/14/when-and-where-will-twins-find-room-for-triple-a-murderer-parmelee/

Aaron thinks the Twins need to find room for Parmelee, but isn't at all sure how they're going to do so. I'm wondering what others thoughts are. IMHO, this is one of the better Twins developments this year.

Try hard to move Span in the offseason and slot Parmelee in right. Try to move Justin at the deadline and then slot Chris into first base. It's the only way to get everyone the ABs they need, I think.

it should maximize value too. Justin is going to be very expensive at the deadline.

BrentMpls
08-14-2012, 04:00 PM
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/08/14/when-and-where-will-twins-find-room-for-triple-a-murderer-parmelee/

Aaron thinks the Twins need to find room for Parmelee, but isn't at all sure how they're going to do so. I'm wondering what others thoughts are. IMHO, this is one of the better Twins developments this year.

Terry Ryan was on before the ballgame last night and said that Parmelee will stay in the minors so he can play everyday rather than be called up and get sporatic play. Unless someone gets hurt it doesn't sound like he'll be up.

Bark's Lounge
08-14-2012, 04:11 PM
The rotation theory that a few are throwing out there is seems to be the most feasible. All of the Outfielders, the first baseman, and catcher get a breather by either taking a day off or DHing. 500 PA's for all involved. Here is a more radical idea and it will require us to have a very horrible defense... please here me out for Bleeps and giggles.

Parmelee is a starting corner outfielder.

Span and Revere take CF and LF or RF.

Willingham is moved to 3B (I believe he played their a little bit in his rookie season with the Marlins, I'm sure without much success)

Plouffe is pushed to 2B.

Carroll or Dozier plays SS. Morneau remains at 1B.

Doumit and Mauer rotate between C and DH with Morneau DHing sometimes and Mauer playing 1B.

The pitchers would suffer even more than they are now, but the offense might be fun... just sayin'!

davidjcampbell
08-14-2012, 04:26 PM
Willingham is moved to 3B

Plouffe is pushed to 2B.

Interesting idea. These two lines terrify me most.

All offense and no D has not gotten the Tigers anywhere this year and they have a couple of dependable pitchers. How can the Twins pull this off?

SweetOne69
08-14-2012, 04:38 PM
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/08/14/when-and-where-will-twins-find-room-for-triple-a-murderer-parmelee/

Aaron thinks the Twins need to find room for Parmelee, but isn't at all sure how they're going to do so. I'm wondering what others thoughts are. IMHO, this is one of the better Twins developments this year.

Terry Ryan was on before the ballgame last night and said that Parmelee will stay in the minors so he can play everyday rather than be called up and get sporatic play. Unless someone gets hurt it doesn't sound like he'll be up.


The problem with this theory is that most of the minor leagues seasons end the 1st week of September. So if Parmelee isn't called up in September, he won't be playing at all.

Brock Beauchamp
08-14-2012, 04:46 PM
The rotation theory that a few are throwing out there is seems to be the most feasible. All of the Outfielders, the first baseman, and catcher get a breather by either taking a day off or DHing. 500 PA's for all involved. Here is a more radical idea and it will require us to have a very horrible defense... please here me out for Bleeps and giggles.

Parmelee is a starting corner outfielder.

Span and Revere take CF and LF or RF.

Willingham is moved to 3B (I believe he played their a little bit in his rookie season with the Marlins, I'm sure without much success)

Plouffe is pushed to 2B.

Carroll or Dozier plays SS. Morneau remains at 1B.

Doumit and Mauer rotate between C and DH with Morneau DHing sometimes and Mauer playing 1B.

The pitchers would suffer even more than they are now, but the offense might be fun... just sayin'!

That infield makes Scott Diamond cry.

Bark's Lounge
08-14-2012, 04:51 PM
The rotation theory that a few are throwing out there is seems to be the most feasible. All of the Outfielders, the first baseman, and catcher get a breather by either taking a day off or DHing. 500 PA's for all involved. Here is a more radical idea and it will require us to have a very horrible defense... please here me out for Bleeps and giggles.

Parmelee is a starting corner outfielder.

Span and Revere take CF and LF or RF.

Willingham is moved to 3B (I believe he played their a little bit in his rookie season with the Marlins, I'm sure without much success)

Plouffe is pushed to 2B.

Carroll or Dozier plays SS. Morneau remains at 1B.

Doumit and Mauer rotate between C and DH with Morneau DHing sometimes and Mauer playing 1B.

The pitchers would suffer even more than they are now, but the offense might be fun... just sayin'!

That infield makes Scott Diamond cry.

It's an Experiment in Terror. At least we would have 3-4 good defenders - 4-5 when Mauer is playing Catcher.

BrentMpls
08-14-2012, 05:14 PM
http://aarongleeman.com/2012/08/14/when-and-where-will-twins-find-room-for-triple-a-murderer-parmelee/

Aaron thinks the Twins need to find room for Parmelee, but isn't at all sure how they're going to do so. I'm wondering what others thoughts are. IMHO, this is one of the better Twins developments this year.

Terry Ryan was on before the ballgame last night and said that Parmelee will stay in the minors so he can play everyday rather than be called up and get sporatic play. Unless someone gets hurt it doesn't sound like he'll be up.


The problem with this theory is that most of the minor leagues seasons end the 1st week of September. So if Parmelee isn't called up in September, he won't be playing at all.

Thats true - there was also emphasis on giving Mastroianni more play time as well. Time will tell what they do of course.

TheLeviathan
08-14-2012, 05:18 PM
It's an Experiment in Terror. At least we would have 3-4 good defenders - 4-5 when Mauer is playing Catcher.

I say we have Morneau pitch and Butera play pitching coach as long as we're taking the Looney Tunes approach to things.

Bark's Lounge
08-14-2012, 05:41 PM
It's an Experiment in Terror. At least we would have 3-4 good defenders - 4-5 when Mauer is playing Catcher.

I say we have Morneau pitch and Butera play pitching coach as long as we're taking the Looney Tunes approach to things.

I'm game, but Target Field's name needs to be changed to Acme Field and an Anvil has to fall from the sky onto the field of play at least once or twice a game.

jorgenswest
08-14-2012, 05:59 PM
An outfield with Parmelee and Willingham in the corners is probably unwise.

Doumit, Willingham and Morneau are on the wrong side of 30. Doumit and Morneau have history of health trouble. I think the three will all benefit from a reduction in playing time to make sure Parmelee gets significant playing time. It will also guarantee a good bat on the bench when all are healthy. This year's bench leaves no options. It usually consists of Butera, Casilla and a player on their 8th day of a day to day injury.

John Bonnes
08-14-2012, 08:44 PM
I'd like to see Parmelee play some more in right field than we've seen so far this September. A guy can move positions for any number or reasons. It isn't jus because he's bad. The Twins have been pretty flush with outfielders the last few years and pretty scarce at first base with prospects. He might be there just becuase that's where they felt there was need.

Bark's Lounge
08-14-2012, 09:42 PM
I'd like to see Parmelee play some more in right field than we've seen so far this September. A guy can move positions for any number or reasons. It isn't jus because he's bad. The Twins have been pretty flush with outfielders the last few years and pretty scarce at first base with prospects. He might be there just becuase that's where they felt there was need.

I am pretty sure Parmelee is a first baseman first, outfielder second, but they have played him in the OF semi-often in the minors. Sans Mark Trumbo, but with more OF experience... sometimes you need to make some pieces fit where they normally do not. These kind of situations occasionally work out. Not every baseball player is rigidly placed into a box of cemented defensive position. With Parmelee there is a fair amount flexibility.

Jim H
08-14-2012, 09:53 PM
I hate to agree with Gleeman, but I do think that the Twins will open up a spot for Parmelee. The goal is probably more to acquire a starting pitcher, however. I also wish people would stop talking about how bad the Capps trade was at least until Ramos proves he can stay healthy, and hit and field well enough to be better than a big league backup. Now of which he has done to this point.

I suspect that Ryan will keep his options open. He may prefer to trade Morneau or perhaps Span but to get the right starting pitcher it may take a different sort of deal. It is certainly possible to trade Willingham, Parmelee or Revere. The market for Morneau is probably pretty limited because of his salary, injury history and only one year left of his contract. The market for Span is likely wider but there would probably be teams who would prefer Revere or prehaps even Hicks or Arcia with the right combination of prospects.

Personally, I think that Ryan will keep his prospects and ultimately trade one of Morneau, Span or maybe Willingham. It would go against his usual way of doing things to package up prospects for an established pitcher. Also the Twins will need cheap productive players to fit around their core players.

TheLeviathan
08-14-2012, 10:01 PM
I would imagine that next year we'll have a spot for him if nothing changes. Both Doumit and Willingham's careers indicate what we've got out of this year in terms of both health and production is highly unlikely to stay. So I'm sure we'll have a DH or corner OF spot with plenty of ABs next year for him.