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Brock Beauchamp
08-11-2012, 04:01 PM
Okay, go!

TwinsWolvesLynxBlog
08-11-2012, 04:07 PM
Twins are in for a tough one tonight against David Price. Like most great pitchers we will have to get to him early.

Highabove
08-11-2012, 04:10 PM
Against David Price, Span, and Doumit will have the night off, but we do have Butera catching Blackburn.

I will convince myself, that I am going to the park to see the Rays and Joe Maddon.

Badsmerf
08-11-2012, 06:10 PM
Wow, all-star line-up tonight.

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 06:27 PM
WTF....walk the dogs & came back & Nick gave up 3runs already. Thought Butera was catching....what happenned to him??:D

JB_Iowa
08-11-2012, 06:28 PM
Thank heavens for the DP.

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 06:29 PM
Butera in ...Doumit out vs David Price.
Hmmmm have talked about Gardy 'not trying' to win. This is a decent example.

usanamn
08-11-2012, 06:30 PM
We need to do some serious changes big time in our staffing pitching

JB_Iowa
08-11-2012, 06:33 PM
Let's see if Anderson whispered some magic between innings since Butera obviously idn't in the 1st.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Masty, 1-1 in his career agasnt price. He's growing on me as a quality 4th outfielder.

TwinsWolvesLynxBlog
08-11-2012, 06:57 PM
At this point which is worst, paying Blackburn 4.5 million or Nishi 3 million?

minn55441
08-11-2012, 07:03 PM
At this point which is worst, paying Blackburn 4.5 million or Nishi 3 million?

Good question, I guess I would say that Backie pitched well enough for us in the past to deserve a contract, maybe not the 4.5 he got, but he has pitched well for us. Nishi has done nothing in my mind to deserve his contract.

So I feel worse about Nishi's contract.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 07:08 PM
Lead the league in Double plays and still going. 2nd one tonight. We are doing a few things right.

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 07:14 PM
At this point which is worst, paying Blackburn 4.5 million or Nishi 3 million?
Bill Smith.....wow

minn55441
08-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Blackie doesn't seem to be fooling BJ upton with anything he is throwing up there.

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 07:24 PM
there we go.....Blackie was one pitch away from actually havin an above average start (3er in 5IP....5.4 ERA) but BJ got him back to a game ERA of 7.8 (average start which is amazing)
That is if he gets another out.

jokin
08-11-2012, 07:24 PM
At this point which is worst, paying Blackburn 4.5 million or Nishi 3 million?

I'll try this one, for tonight, Nishi is more valuable to the Twins than Blackie, only because he's planted in the dugout.

How about worse than either of these two, Blackie getting his contract raise next year to $5.5M?

jokin
08-11-2012, 07:25 PM
there we go.....Blackie was one pitch away from actually havin an above average start (3er in 5IP....5.4 ERA) but BJ got him back to a game ERA of 7.8 (average start which is amazing)
That is if he gets another out.

he got the out!...trying to stay positive...

jokin
08-11-2012, 07:27 PM
Lead the league in Double plays and still going. 2nd one tonight. We are doing a few things right.

Those are nice to watch and it's a big improvement on last season. Of course, the Twins must be near or at the top in DP opportunities, too.

jokin
08-11-2012, 07:33 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on Revere's assist at 2B. I know it's baby step improvement, but still an impressive throw compared to previous attempts.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 07:37 PM
I'm surprised no one has commented on Revere's assist at 2B. I know it's baby step improvement, but still an impressive throw compared to previous attempts.

Very nice throw, right on the button and not a lot of air under it. I think all of the revere haters have run for cover.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 07:54 PM
11 hits through 6 innings for Blackie.

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 08:10 PM
isnt this about a Nick Blackburn version of a perfect game???

minn55441
08-11-2012, 08:15 PM
I was going to call it a quality start, but then thought better of it and deleted that part of the post.

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 08:26 PM
Hey Bert, was that ball that Doumit missed 'glowing'.....he is tough to listen to

Wouldnt say anything about how, 40 secs earlier, he talked about how easy it was to see the ball on popups......

ashburyjohn
08-11-2012, 08:27 PM
Twins are in for a tough one tonight against David Price. Like most great pitchers we will have to get to him early.

I guess we have our proof that Nick Blackburn is a great pitcher, then, because the Rays got to him early.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 08:41 PM
Hey Bert, was that ball that Doumit missed 'glowing'.....he is tough to listen to

Wouldnt say anything about how, 40 secs earlier, he talked about how easy it was to see the ball on popups......


OK, I'll just come out and say it. Drew would have caught that ball.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 08:44 PM
Nice inning for Burton.

minn55441
08-11-2012, 08:49 PM
Nice inning for Burton. So is that a feather in the cap of Krivsky? He has really pitched well this year and I think he was the main guy behind the signing.
Does that improve his chances of eventually succeeding Ryan?

J-Dog Dungan
08-11-2012, 09:01 PM
Wow, really hard to win when your 9-1-2-3 guys are a combined 0-15. That is just terrible. Revere is in some kind of slump after that 21 game hit streak

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 09:17 PM
Gardy said postgame about Blackie/starters.....Ill take 3/4 er in 6IP any day......WOW have we lowered expectations

jokin
08-11-2012, 09:26 PM
Wow, really hard to win when your 9-1-2-3 guys are a combined 0-15. That is just terrible. Revere is in some kind of slump after that 21 game hit streak

Mauer and Willingham aren't doing all that much better:

Last 4 games:
Mauer 3/14 .214
Willingham 3/15 .200
Revere 2/18 .111

Last 10 games:
Mauer 8/36 .222
Willingham 5/34 .147
Revere 15/45 .333

jokin
08-11-2012, 09:38 PM
Gardy said postgame about Blackie/starters.....Ill take 3/4 er in 6IP any day......WOW have we lowered expectations

Well, given that Blackie's game-ERA was 6.00, that actually lowered his ERA to 7.33, so technically Gardy is cheering on the obvious improvement...and that 2.00 WHIP rate gave the infield extra double play practice. With the 3 dingers given up tonight, Blackie also vaulted himself into the HR/9 lead among starters, now standing at 2.18/9I. So yes, a quality start all the way around.

Top Gun
08-11-2012, 09:39 PM
J. Marquis (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6493) (W, 6-6) cg 2 hit shutout over pirates!

greengoblinrulz
08-11-2012, 09:46 PM
J. Marquis (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6493) (W, 6-6) cg 2 hit shutout over pirates!

sure.....no Rick Anderson telling him to quicken up his pace

13gms for SD 83.2IP 79h 34er (3.66ERA) 70k (7.5/9) 21bb 10hr's

jokin
08-11-2012, 10:12 PM
J. Marquis (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6493) (W, 6-6) cg 2 hit shutout over pirates!

sure.....no Rick Anderson telling him to quicken up his pace

13gms for SD 83.2IP 79h 34er (3.66ERA) 70k (7.5/9) 21bb 10hr's

We make light of it, but this really is inexplicable. Was there an underlying medical issue, philosophical difference, mechanical adjustment? How does a pitcher go from possibly delivering the worst SP performance by a starter in the opening 2 months to practically a reliable #3 starter with only a team change to account for obvious difference?

Top Gun
08-12-2012, 12:41 AM
I remember him beating the Yankees in April, but the Twins kept jerking him around as the 5th sp. Favoring Hendriks!

jokin
08-12-2012, 01:28 AM
I remember him beating the Yankees in April, but the Twins kept jerking him around as the 5th sp. Favoring Hendriks!

2 out of 6 quality starts after that (w/ 4 dreadful ones) and then he was gone soon after the Cole DeVries-like 8 ER batting-practice performance in 1.2 innings against Milwaukee. Seems like the Twins have gone full circle.

Since joining the Padres, 8/13 QS- good to be back in the NL and Petco Park!

jokin
08-12-2012, 01:40 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/27902/an-inning-munchers-marquis-event

Great article on Marquis, with the money quote:

"One of the reliably entertaining things about baseball is that pitchers you think are done -- because they must be done, must have absolutely nothing left in the tank whatsoever -- surprise you, because they don’t really agree with what you or I think. They’d rather keep giving it a go, and whether you want to celebrate small sample sizes, selective situations or honest-to-god comebacks, they make it happen.

Enter Jason Marquis (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/4409/jason-marquis) stage right, a perfect example of why -- to quote with former Cardinals ace Joaquin Andujar’s “favorite word” -- with pitchers youneverknow. With Saturday night’s two-hit shutout of the Pirates, Marquis provided yet another reminder that as long as someone is still willing to let you play, you have a chance to make your career a going concern."


"Using Bill James’ fast and fun metric, Game Score, Marquis’ start grades as an 86 against the Pirates, which ties exactly with a career-best mark he’s achieved three times before, for three different teams (http://www.baseball-reference.com/play-index/game_finder.cgi?year=0&n1=marquja01&id=marquja01&type=p#ajax_result_table::none): in 2005 for the Cardinals against the Nationals; in 2007 for the Cubs against the Pirates; and in 2009 for the Rockies against the Dodgers.

Matching that with the Padres makes Marquis four-for-four in personal excellence in different team togs, which is perhaps no surprise since Marquis’ career has featured so many resurrections that it’s an open question over who envies him more, cats or zombies."

This is why I advocated hitting the waiver wire for DFA-available potential SPs available to bolster the Twins, "trying out" for the Twins on the releasing team's dime, rather than the strictly in-house approach- which included a pitcher with virtually no shot as anything but a spot-starter at most, like Duensing. The claimed retreads don't work out, they get released at essentially not cost.