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Seth Stohs
08-09-2012, 01:26 AM
Patrick Reusse's Star Tribune article: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/165529976.html?refer=y

Twins best friend
08-09-2012, 01:39 AM
Thanks for the link. Rough assessment. I was excited when we signed Nishioka because international signings aren't something i'm used to seeing from the Twins. A friend of mine is still a firm believer in Nishi (Yoshi would have been a much better nickname by the way) but I'm settled in my belief that the Twins were a little out of their element on this one.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 07:54 AM
It sounds like Gardy might be sending a message to the front office.
"Stop sending me garbage to the major league lineup, if you are going to send me crap I will showcase them and show everyone just how bad they are"

I sorta wonder if he is pissed that a guy like Gray is still on the major league team as well.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-09-2012, 08:02 AM
Patrick Reusse's Star Tribune article: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/165529976.html?refer=y

Thanks for the post Seth... Nothing too telling in this article, Nishi still stinks, he is still on the team, yada yada yada....

I did think it was somewhat interesting to see TR's response to Reusse's question of why Gardy said Nishi was "here to play". IMO, him saying it's up to Gardy to make the lineup with the 25 players available, is a big cop out. Of course Gardy has to make a lineup with his available players, TR did nothing to explain why Nishi is one of those 25 men. This has the stink of FO pressure all over it.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 08:07 AM
Thanks for the post Seth... Nothing too telling in this article, Nishi still stinks, he is still on the team, yada yada yada....

I did think it was somewhat interesting to see TR's response to Reusse's question of why Gardy said Nishi was "here to play". IMO, him saying it's up to Gardy to make the lineup with the 25 players available, is a big cop out. Of course Gardy has to make a lineup with his available players, TR did nothing to explain why Nishi is one of those 25 men. This has the stink of FO pressure all over it.

I know John mentioned that he had heard this all went above the GM as well when they signed him, part of me wonders if Ryan isn't being allowed to cut Nishioka himself since there is still a decent 5+ million investment in him at this point. Maybe "showcasing" him is the best thing that can happen so it allows them to cut him soon.

Top Gun
08-09-2012, 08:09 AM
Play him in front of the home crowd, let's see what he can do!

Mauerzy4Prez
08-09-2012, 08:19 AM
I know John mentioned that he had heard this all went above the GM as well when they signed him, part of me wonders if Ryan isn't being allowed to cut Nishioka himself since there is still a decent 5+ million investment in him at this point. Maybe "showcasing" him is the best thing that can happen so it allows them to cut him soon.

I tend to agree with you on this. TR has never been a guy that sugar coats things. I don't doubt that he may have signed off on calling up Nishi based on the reports from AAA... but I can't imagine after the last three games that TR would keep him around any longer unless the higher ups were forcing him to do so. Maybe the people above TR want to try and rake in some extra revenue from the international markets to try and make up some of the money they have put into this guy... Just a thought.

twinzgrl
08-09-2012, 08:35 AM
The Twins are smarter than this...it makes no sense.

JB_Iowa
08-09-2012, 09:12 AM
I know John mentioned that he had heard this all went above the GM as well when they signed him, part of me wonders if Ryan isn't being allowed to cut Nishioka himself since there is still a decent 5+ million investment in him at this point. Maybe "showcasing" him is the best thing that can happen so it allows them to cut him soon.

I wondered about this, too, especially in light of the mention in Scooter Now's column (cited by Parker) that the Twins put aside their work on several endorsement deals for Nishioka last winter given his play.

Have to wonder how much non-baseball factors played into signing him and now giving him this new opportunity; however, Ryan must be willing to go along with it. To me, the "interim" tag gives Ryan a fair amount of power. Play too many games with him and I would guess that he'll chuck it a 2nd time -- but I do see him as fiscally conservative so it must be hard for him to see the money squandered on Nishioka so he's probably willing to see if anything can be recouped.

crarko
08-09-2012, 09:32 AM
So after all this maybe the notion of giving Mastroianni or Dinkelman a good look at second base isn't so foolhardy.

Thrylos
08-09-2012, 09:32 AM
Nishioka is the least of the Twins' problems right now. Paying too much attention to him is exactly what this team wants the press and the fans to do, so they are not talking about the general suckage of the product on the field second season in a row.

Playing Nishioka every day might earn TR the title of the Executive of the Millennium

J-Dog Dungan
08-09-2012, 10:29 AM
I did hear that playing Nishi was mostly b/c of FO pressure, but I hope to goodness that they send him back down THE SECOND Trever Plouffe is ready to play again. I also agree with an article on 1500espn.com, where Mackey wrote that calling up and playing Nishi is part of the "scholarship program" that the Twins said they had done away with. The Twins are probably just seeing if they can get anything out of Nishi before releasing him this offseason (not that I know they are releasing him, just makes the most sense.)

birdwatcher
08-09-2012, 11:04 AM
Back up your opinion, thrylos.

Oh, you can't? Yep. Just more crap.

StormJH1
08-09-2012, 11:22 AM
I like Reusse's stuff, and all of the points made in this article were accurate, but I still cringe a little when I hear the "go back to Japan" or "time to say Sayonara" rhetoric. The guy is a human being. He showed up to Spring Training in advance of even the pitchers and catchers. He had an established track record of professional success in Japan that seemed reasonably certain to translate to some degree of MLB success, and it just didn't. The only difference (and the source of bitterness) is that you have to pay these international guys up front, whereas you can look at a minor leaguer in the bigs before you have to pay them. I feel kind of bad for him, but he's absolutely terrible and has to go.

I remember seeing his jersey at the Mall of America already marked down to $30 by like June 2011. That pretty much summed it up.

diehardtwinsfan
08-09-2012, 11:30 AM
it's a lost season, so I dont' mind calling him up to see if the improvement he showed in Rochester was legit... scholarship program or not.... but it's pretty obvious (thus far at least) that it isn't. Cannot hurt to give him another day or so until Plouffe is ready just to see what's there, but my suspicion is that this is going to be viewed as a sunk cost come December.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-09-2012, 11:33 AM
I like Reusse's stuff, and all of the points made in this article were accurate, but I still cringe a little when I hear the "go back to Japan" or "time to say Sayonara" rhetoric. The guy is a human being. He showed up to Spring Training in advance of even the pitchers and catchers. He had an established track record of professional success in Japan that seemed reasonably certain to translate to some degree of MLB success, and it just didn't. The only difference (and the source of bitterness) is that you have to pay these international guys up front, whereas you can look at a minor leaguer in the bigs before you have to pay them. I feel kind of bad for him, but he's absolutely terrible and has to go.

I remember seeing his jersey at the Mall of America already marked down to $30 by like June 2011. That pretty much summed it up.

Thank you for taking a moment to recognize that he is a human being like the rest of us. I will not say that I haven't been critical of him, and at times made jokes about his terrible play (i.e. Rhomba vacuum cleaner with a glove > Nishi) ... because like everyone else, I feel he needs to go.

But stereotypes and comments about his race are completely unnecessary and at times can be pretty offensive. Shouldn't someone be monitoring these boards for that type of language? I am sure that there are a variety of different ethnicity's between the people posting/reading comments on here. Are we the only two that have felt it is going too far?

BrentMpls
08-09-2012, 11:45 AM
I like Reusse's stuff, and all of the points made in this article were accurate, but I still cringe a little when I hear the "go back to Japan" or "time to say Sayonara" rhetoric. The guy is a human being. He showed up to Spring Training in advance of even the pitchers and catchers. He had an established track record of professional success in Japan that seemed reasonably certain to translate to some degree of MLB success, and it just didn't. The only difference (and the source of bitterness) is that you have to pay these international guys up front, whereas you can look at a minor leaguer in the bigs before you have to pay them. I feel kind of bad for him, but he's absolutely terrible and has to go.

I remember seeing his jersey at the Mall of America already marked down to $30 by like June 2011. That pretty much summed it up.

The article doesn't make any new points that aren't well known and established already, offers no new insight, and it's Reusse's shtick to be cantankerous to those whom aren't in his favor. It's hard to say what his exact source of bitterness is, but my guess it has more than a little to being rude to everyone and squandering a carrer most sports fans would love to have being a alcoholic.

He was saying that Mauer should tell the team he wont play, he's got bilateral leg weakness again, until this 'piece of crap' (Nishioka) is no longer on the team. (Later in that same conversation he calling Beloit a dump and other off topic name calling).

Nishi didn't work out, and the main issue that none of the radio or paper media seem to dig into is what happened with the scouting, which is the real issue. I heard the first tidbit on that a couple weeks ago on the radio with TR when he claims 'they' went back to the tapes and still see a guy they want to bring over. Why that isn't looked into further rather than pointing out the obvious I don't know.

crarko
08-09-2012, 11:45 AM
But stereotypes and comments about his race are completely unnecessary and at times can be pretty offensive. Shouldn't someone be monitoring these boards for that type of language? I am sure that there are a variety of different ethnicity's between the people posting/reading comments on here. Are we the only two that have felt it is going too far?

No, you're not.

Saying stupid things to make a point just makes those posters look infantile. I think the board admins do pay attention to this, but they do have day jobs and lives too.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-09-2012, 11:50 AM
Nishioka is the least of the Twins' problems right now. Paying too much attention to him is exactly what this team wants the press and the fans to do, so they are not talking about the general suckage of the product on the field second season in a row.

Playing Nishioka every day might earn TR the title of the Executive of the Millennium

Is he the biggest problem we have right now? No.

Do we have a multitude of improvements that are needed to become relevant again? Yes.

Is this a conspiracy by the front office to focus fans attention on Nishi and not our other more important needs? NO... Does anyone realistically believe that the Twins would bring up a guy like this to cloud over the other deficiencies that we have? Why would any major league baseball team want to completely embarrase itself on a national stage, just to cover up their personnel issues? Since Nishi has been called up, there has been a lot of attention on him, but the people that actually know anything about this team have not forgot about what our most important problems are. Starting Pitching, better MI defense/offense, and a deeper farm system with young high upside players.

You have been watching too much TV and Movies Thrylos, please come back to reality...

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 11:57 AM
But stereotypes and comments about his race are completely unnecessary and at times can be pretty offensive. Shouldn't someone be monitoring these boards for that type of language?

Feel free to get off your soapbox on this non existent issue anytime now. Nobody has said anything offensive regarding Nishioka. People saying "he should be sent back to Japan" isn't racist/inappropriate in the least, and "time to say sayonara to nishi" isn't bad either.

ashburyjohn
08-09-2012, 12:07 PM
Nishi didn't work out, and the main issue that none of the radio or paper media seem to dig into is what happened with the scouting

Ding ding ding. Was saying that 1+ year ago - if the buck stops at the GM's chair then the apparent lack of due diligence on this deal was reason enough to re-assign Bill Smith, and then leave it to his replacement to decide if further re-assignments, i.e. in the scouting staff, were also called for. I don't recall hearing anything on that latter front, but maybe Ryan preferred not to hold up a particular individual for public scorn.

DPJ
08-09-2012, 12:12 PM
Ding ding ding. Was saying that 1+ year ago - if the buck stops at the GM's chair then the apparent lack of due diligence on this deal was reason enough to re-assign Bill Smith, and then leave it to his replacement to decide if further re-assignments, i.e. in the scouting staff, were also called for. I don't recall hearing anything on that latter front, but maybe Ryan preferred not to hold up a particular individual for public scorn.


I remember hearing Smith had never actually seen Nishi play, he was just told by the team scouts that he was great and sign him. I love to know those scouts and if they still have jobs?

nokomismod
08-09-2012, 12:16 PM
I don't have a problem with them trying to break into the small Japanese talent pool. It didn't work, and it's time to move on from the experiment. If Nishi retires before Spring Training next year, these last three games will make a lot more sense.

DPJ
08-09-2012, 12:20 PM
What makes me feel worse for this organziation is Nishi BABIP the Twins outta 15 million. Anyone looking at his career numbers could tell his 2010 was a fluke. I get the Twins will never been strong in advanced stats, but how the hell can anyone not involved in baseball not see it?

The same front office can couldn't see a .400 BABIP is bad is suppose to turn this whole thing around?

USAFChief
08-09-2012, 12:23 PM
I remember hearing Smith had never actually seen Nishi play, he was just told by the team scouts that he was great and sign him. I love to know those scouts and if they still have jobs?

Howard Norsetter (sp?) is the Twins lead international scout. According to a LENIII postmortem last fall, he was the lead scout on the Nishioka signing, but if I remember the article correctly, at least six other scouts were consulted.

I also want to restate my opinion that "marketing" and/or forces above Smith were not the reason for the signing. This was on the scouts, and keep in mind Smith has no scouting background, so I have to believe he went off their recommendations.

ashburyjohn
08-09-2012, 12:52 PM
and keep in mind Smith has no scouting background

This is true, but he can't use it as a copout. No one has background in every aspect a GM must be responsible for, and yet the job must be done - the GM must synthesize the information that comes in. This result was bad enough that someone needed to be disciplined at the very least (and I'm no advocate of second-guessing every decision some scout makes), and there's no sign Smith was willing to do that.

What's more, even without a scouting background, the big-money teams sniffing around and then choosing not to enter the bidding had to be a red flag for someone in Smith's position. I don't think it's second-guessing on my part to say that a successful signing like Sano was done quite differently than the signing of Nishioka.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 12:54 PM
What makes me feel worse for this organziation is Nishi BABIP the Twins outta 15 million. Anyone looking at his career numbers could tell his 2010 was a fluke. I get the Twins will never been strong in advanced stats, but how the hell can anyone not involved in baseball not see it?

The same front office can couldn't see a .400 BABIP is bad is suppose to turn this whole thing around?

His 2010 was a fluke, but its not like he was hitting .150 in the seasons before that. He still hit .300 in 2 of the 3 years prior and had about an .800 OPS before his 2010 season as well, plus showed decent pop with 27 HR in 2 seasons. Again, nothing that special, but nothing that should indicate that he couldn't produce even a .700 OPS in the majors, and this doesn't even begin to explain how god awful he is on defense.

If I had to blame anyone for this debacle it would be the following:
Nishioka: 50%
Scouts: 30%
Smith/Rest of FO: 20%

DPJ
08-09-2012, 12:56 PM
His 2010 was a fluke, but its not like he was hitting .150 in the seasons before that. He still hit .300 in 2 of the 3 years prior and had about an .800 OPS before his 2010 season as well, plus showed decent pop with 27 HR in 2 seasons. Again, nothing that special, but nothing that should indicate that he couldn't produce even a .700 OPS in the majors, and this doesn't even begin to explain how god awful he is on defense.

If I had to blame anyone for this debacle it would be the following:
Nishioka: 50%
Scouts: 30%
Smith/Rest of FO: 20%

An .800 OPS in Japan is like a .650 OPS in the states.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 12:57 PM
Howard Norsetter (sp?) is the Twins lead international scout. According to a LENIII postmortem last fall, he was the lead scout on the Nishioka signing, but if I remember the article correctly, at least six other scouts were consulted.



Is he also part of the scouts that signed guys like Sano, Rosario, Arcia?(I honestly have zero idea so I apologize if I am off base) If so, then perhaps he deserves a semi-pass on this.
At the end of the day if Sano reaches his potential and Nishioka is a waste of 15 mil I think I can live with that.

The most frustrating thing of the whole deal was how much we gave Nishi guaranteed, I wonder if they could have gotten him for 2 years instead of 3, but then part of me wonders if it was the Twins who wanted 3+ an option just in case Nishi turned out to be good.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 12:58 PM
An .800 OPS in Japan is like a .650 OPS in the states.

Do you have anything whatsoever to back that up?
I agree that Japan is somewhere between AA/AAA, but .800 to .650 is a pretty drastic split, so drastic I think that you are just making that up.

DPJ
08-09-2012, 01:07 PM
Do you have anything whatsoever to back that up?
I agree that Japan is somewhere between AA/AAA, but .800 to .650 is a pretty drastic split, so drastic I think that you are just making that up.

Cause no player from Japan, even the few that succeed like Matsui or Ichiro produce drasticly worse numbers once they come to the states. The stadiums in Japan are smaller, worse pitching, worse fielders, balls running on turf. Matsui's career OPS in Japan was .980, in the states it's .822. Ichiro's OPS dropped over .100 points when he came to the states.


I also want to restate my opinion that "marketing" and/or forces above Smith were not the reason for the signing. This was on the scouts, and keep in mind Smith has no scouting background, so I have to believe he went off their recommendations.

You got some kind of inside knowledge on this?

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Cause no player from Japan, even the few that succeed like Matsui or Ichiro produce drasticly worse numbers once they come to the states. The stadiums in Japan are smaller, worse pitching, worse fielders, balls running on turf. Matsui's career OPS in Japan was .980, in the states it's .822. Ichiro's OPS dropped over .100 points when he came to the states.



You got some kind of inside knowledge on this?

I still think the automatic assumption of "he was going to lose .150 no matter what" is a bit aggresive. I'd argue that a .100 point drop could/should be expected from a slap hitter like Nishioka.

If he ended up being a .700 hitter with good MI defense he still would have been an asset, this is what the team was thinking when they signed him as sort of a worst case scenario. Obviously they felt he could do much better, but the worst case scenario ended up being a nightmare that nobody could have predicted.

Seriously, even in the old BYTO threads people were against the signing because it was giving Hardy the boot , not because they predicted he would be one of the worst players in the history of the franchise.

birdwatcher
08-09-2012, 01:31 PM
Absolutely no one realistically believes the Twins brought Nishi up to deflect attention from other problems. No one, not even thrylos. But thrylos doesn't neccessarily express something because he believes it. Truth is inconsequential in his agenda.

DPJ
08-09-2012, 01:32 PM
If he ended up being a .700 hitter with good MI defense he still would have been an asset, this is what the team was thinking when they signed him as sort of a worst case scenario. Obviously they felt he could do much better, but the worst case scenario ended up being a nightmare that nobody could have predicted.

The Twins had a known .700 OPS SS with good MI defense and they gave him away for nothing.

Actually quite a few people predicted he's be very very bad, it's not like the history of Japs coming to states is littered with star players.

cr9617
08-09-2012, 02:30 PM
An .800 OPS in Japan is like a .650 OPS in the states.

I second that...

diehardtwinsfan
08-09-2012, 02:37 PM
The Twins had a known .700 OPS SS with good MI defense and they gave him away for nothing.

Actually quite a few people predicted he's be very very bad, it's not like the history of Japs coming to states is littered with star players.

This, to me, was the bigger issue, but Gardy wanted his speed guys (whatever that means, as he never sends them on the bases)... I'll go a step further to note that a .700 OPS out of Hardy was more likely the floor than the ceiling, and we knew that back then as the guy broke an .800 OPS in the second half once his wrist got better... all while playing with elite defense.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-09-2012, 03:23 PM
Feel free to get off your soapbox on this non existent issue anytime now. Nobody has said anything offensive regarding Nishioka. People saying "he should be sent back to Japan" isn't racist/inappropriate in the least, and "time to say sayonara to nishi" isn't bad either.

No soapbox here Dave, just backed up what another person said because I agreed with them. A third person validated my opinion after that, so clearly I am not the only person that has been taken back by a few comments. Sorry if you feel differently, we all can have different opinions, which is one of the reasons I enjoy coming to this site so much.

Saying someone should be sent back to the county they came from, in certain situations is not a bad thing. What I should have said is that when people use stereotypes or say things like "he should go back to Japan" from a point of anger or hate, then it becomes offensive (at least to me). I am sorry if you don't agree with that, and I can assure you that I am not simply spouting off random nonsensical issues just to get attention. I have had personal experiences where people have told me to "go back to my country" and seeing it on here made me remember how terrible I felt at the time.

SpiritofVodkaDave
08-09-2012, 04:23 PM
No soapbox here Dave, just backed up what another person said because I agreed with them. A third person validated my opinion after that, so clearly I am not the only person that has been taken back by a few comments. Sorry if you feel differently, we all can have different opinions, which is one of the reasons I enjoy coming to this site so much.

Saying someone should be sent back to the county they came from, in certain situations is not a bad thing. What I should have said is that when people use stereotypes or say things like "he should go back to Japan" from a point of anger or hate, then it becomes offensive (at least to me). I am sorry if you don't agree with that, and I can assure you that I am not simply spouting off random nonsensical issues just to get attention. I have had personal experiences where people have told me to "go back to my country" and seeing it on here made me remember how terrible I felt at the time.

When people are saying he should go back to Japan they aren't saying it in a "your not good enough for this country", rather a "if he goes back to Japan he can no longer be a burden on this ballclub"

I guess it could be said more PC, but honestly I don't think most people were really offended by that.

one_eyed_jack
08-09-2012, 04:28 PM
No soapbox here Dave, just backed up what another person said because I agreed with them. A third person validated my opinion after that, so clearly I am not the only person that has been taken back by a few comments. Sorry if you feel differently, we all can have different opinions, which is one of the reasons I enjoy coming to this site so much.

Saying someone should be sent back to the county they came from, in certain situations is not a bad thing. What I should have said is that when people use stereotypes or say things like "he should go back to Japan" from a point of anger or hate, then it becomes offensive (at least to me). I am sorry if you don't agree with that, and I can assure you that I am not simply spouting off random nonsensical issues just to get attention. I have had personal experiences where people have told me to "go back to my country" and seeing it on here made me remember how terrible I felt at the time.

---I'll back that up as well. It's not everyone, and it's not always blatant, but there is undoubtedly a racial tinge to some of what's been hurled at him.

And it's well beyond the "your kind don't belong here" undertones of the demand that he go back to where he came from.

I've seen him referred to as a "Jap", which many consider to be a derogatory term, and a "sh***ty Asian fielder".

I never saw any of our Latin players referred to as 'spics', Nor do I recall references to Jeff Gray as a "sh***ty white pitcher" or Rondell White as a "sh****ty black hitter" during their struggles. The gratuitous racial references are apparently reserved for Nishi.

The more obvious examples were the calls for him to be sent on a kamikaze mission and the talk of him committing seppuku. If we had a muslim player who had a couple of bad games, would it be OK to call for him to fly a plane into a building?

I understand ripping him for his play. I will never understand the need to add a side of bigotry with it.

Mauerzy4Prez
08-09-2012, 04:39 PM
---I'll back that up as well. It's not everyone, and it's not always blatant, but there is undoubtedly a racial tinge to some of what's been hurled at him.

And it's well beyond the "your kind don't belong here" undertones of the demand that he go back to where he came from.

I've seen him referred to as a "Jap", which many consider to be a derogatory term, and a "sh***ty Asian fielder".

I never saw any of our Latin players referred to as 'spics', Nor do I recall references to Jeff Gray as a "sh***ty white pitcher" or Rondell White as a "sh****ty black hitter" during their struggles. The gratuitous racial references are apparently reserved for Nishi.

The more obvious examples were the calls for him to be sent on a kamikaze mission and the talk of him committing seppuku. If we had a muslim player who had a couple of bad games, would it be OK to call for him to fly a plane into a building?

I understand ripping him for his play. I will never understand the need to add a side of bigotry with it.

That comment that I underlined and put in bold above is EXACTLY the comment that I read and was offended by. I am glad I wasn't the only person that took notice to it and decided to make a statement. As Dave just said, the overall rhetoric towards him is probably not coming from a place of hate or racism. But it only takes one stupid remark on here to set the tone. I get that some people may not have any experience being discriminated against, or have their character judged just because of the way they look. But some of us have, and I wouldn't wish that feeling on my worst enemy.

jokin
08-09-2012, 04:59 PM
That comment that I underlined and put in bold above is EXACTLY the comment that I read and was offended by. I am glad I wasn't the only person that took notice to it and decided to make a statement. As Dave just said, the overall rhetoric towards him is probably not coming from a place of hate or racism. But it only takes one stupid remark on here to set the tone. I get that some people may not have any experience being discriminated against, or have their character judged just because of the way they look. But some of us have, and I wouldn't wish that feeling on my worst enemy.

I'm Mauerzy4Prez on the PC Party ticket, and I approved this message....


( I get where you're coming from, just couldn't resist the obvious shinebox takedown of the easily offended class)

Nick Nelson
08-09-2012, 05:01 PM
Yeah, there's no need for all the racial descriptors being used here.

If you want to refer to Japan because it's the league he used to play in, fine. Outside of that, I don't think his ethnicity or home country should really be a factor in the discussion. If those kinds of comments keep up we're going to have to start deleting them.

jokin
08-09-2012, 05:10 PM
Yeah, there's no need for all the racial descriptors being used here.

If you want to refer to Japan because it's the league he used to play in, fine. Outside of that, I don't think his ethnicity or home country should really be a factor in the discussion. If those kinds of comments keep up we're going to have to start deleting them.

Strongly agree.

Monkeypaws
08-09-2012, 05:29 PM
First, his defense is amazingly bad.

Second, he did sting the ball several times in Cleveland. With a little luck he could have got out of there 3 for 10.

Third, I love the photo in the Reusse article - Nishi looks like he a surrounded by soap bubbles. I think I've found my avatar :)

snepp
08-09-2012, 05:43 PM
Does that mean I can no longer refer to him as The Import?

Nick Nelson
08-09-2012, 06:15 PM
Does that mean I can no longer refer to him as The Import?

I don't know how anyone could be offended by something so general. Then again, I'm no expert on such matters as very few things offend me.

crarko
08-09-2012, 06:41 PM
I don't know how anyone could be offended by something so general. Then again, I'm no expert on such matters as very few things offend me.

Of course we could get confused about whether it refers to Morneau, Diamond, Casilla or others. Maybe even Tony O.

Nice to see the other, more tasteless, comment was removed.

notoriousgod71
08-09-2012, 06:51 PM
An .800 OPS in Japan is like a .650 OPS in the states.

not only can we look at the history of Asians coming over to the States and seeing their numbers drop but we also can look at the history of Americans going to Japan and dominating. There will be outliers with everything but any time Tuffy Rhodes nearly breaks the HR record you have to think the competition isn't quite what it is here.

Buddy Grant
08-09-2012, 06:58 PM
Nice to see the other, more tasteless, comment was removed.
+1.

crarko
08-09-2012, 07:16 PM
not only can we look at the history of Asians coming over to the States and seeing their numbers drop but we also can look at the history of Americans going to Japan and dominating. There will be outliers with everything but any time Tuffy Rhodes nearly breaks the HR record you have to think the competition isn't quite what it is here.

Though I always regretted that Sadaharu Oh never played a season or two over here. I understand he and Harmon had developed a mutual respect.

stringer bell
08-09-2012, 09:13 PM
Bollinger is reporting that Nishioka will be at Target Field in uniform on Friday. He said that he doubts that he will be in the starting lineup. There is no certainty that Plouffe will be activated and he may be sent to the minors for a short rehab. Even if Plouffe is activated, it could be that the Twins send Manship or Perdomo to Rochester.

CDog
08-09-2012, 11:59 PM
I'll go a step further to note that a .700 OPS out of Hardy was more likely the floor than the ceiling, and we knew that back then as the guy broke an .800 OPS in the second half once his wrist got better... all while playing with elite defense.

He's at .660 this year, and he finished the year before he joined the Twins at .659.